Re: AS 29 &39

Also in the range as a powered coastal cruiser would be Sitka Explorer. This is an upsized Topaz @ 38'. Bolger suggested a small diesel spinning an independent I/O drive. Sitka also could be considered part of the Blackliner (?) series for high efficiency fishing boats.

I've seen the sketch of White Eel and had the impression it was a liveaboard of limited cruising capability. Perhaps I'm wrong.

Per the MAIB essay, Tahiti has some sort of emergency rig if the redundant power scheme intended fails or runs out of fuel.

Figi could do well with the mizzen up as suggested. But I suspect Tahiti, built per the plans would be more comfortable with the gimbal mounted seating and bed.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "djdecker2002" <djdecker2002@...> wrote:
>
> > The PB&F boat along these lines is their design Tahiti.
>
> Or possibly White Eel?
>
> Or, perhaps, Fiji. With her large fuel tanks and that reliable Deutz
> diesel engine, Fiji could be operated under power exclusively if you wished, with the masts folded (Or perhaps the mizzen up for added stability). Then you could sail her when you felt like it, as well............
>
> -Derek
>
You may want to look into Max Gunning's Alcyone and Alcyone II designs. A few years ago I saw an Alcyone II for sale at a very reasonable price. They are quite innovative boats, like Phil's. They're shallow draft and have very good interior space utilization. I've wondered if Phil was influenced by Gunning's writings back in the late 40s and early 50s. There is a lot of information available athttp://www.alcyone-archive.org/UK.html
Fred

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Douglas Pollard<dougpol1@...>wrote:
djdecker2002 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Bruce
> Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
> >
> > It is an interesting question "how big". Trading off space for
> > 'things' versus how big the crew can handle. Plus the presumption, of
> > whether it must be a sailboat. I too love to sail, but a funny thing,
> > I love sailing a dinghy too, so one could have a powerboat with a
> > dingy on deck to have a bigger boat which can be single handed, and
> > still enjoy sailing.
> >
> > If long distance cruising is on the 'must have list', also consider
> > the school of though of Robert Beebe, or George Buehler 'Diesel Duck',
> > with highly reliable power cruisers.
> >
> > Both these books are 'must reads'.
> >
> >http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Under-Power-Robert-Beebe/
> <http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Under-Power-Robert-Beebe/>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Buehlers-Backyard-Boatbuilding-George-Buehler/
> <http://www.amazon.com/Buehlers-Backyard-Boatbuilding-George-Buehler/>
> >
> > The PB&F boat along these lines is their design Tahiti.
>
> Or possibly White Eel?
>
> Or, perhaps, Fiji. With her large fuel tanks and that reliable Deutz
> diesel engine, Fiji could be operated under power exclusively if you
> wished, with the masts folded (Or perhaps the mizzen up for added
> stability). Then you could sail her when you felt like it, as well.
>
> What I would really like to see in this discussion, though, is the
> cartoon of the AS34, midway in size between the AS29 and the various
> 39 foot options (Loose Moose, Anemone, Fiji). Is the AS34 design
> currently complete? Would it be possible to post the cartoon?
>
> -Derek
>
>

Derek, Yes if an a AS 33 to AS 36 designe was around a few years ago I
would be interest now. . If I could buy a used one a couple years old
for $25,000 I would be
wanting to take a look. I am looking to buy a boat, not build one,
because building costs more than they are worth at this time. I like a
lot of Bolgers designs and have built a couple but there others who
design nice boats and there are good factory built boats out there to go
cruising in and live aboard. This does not take anything away from Mr.
Bolgers designs it's just that the timing is wrong for me.
Doug


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djdecker2002 wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Bruce
> Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
> >
> > It is an interesting question "how big". Trading off space for
> > 'things' versus how big the crew can handle. Plus the presumption, of
> > whether it must be a sailboat. I too love to sail, but a funny thing,
> > I love sailing a dinghy too, so one could have a powerboat with a
> > dingy on deck to have a bigger boat which can be single handed, and
> > still enjoy sailing.
> >
> > If long distance cruising is on the 'must have list', also consider
> > the school of though of Robert Beebe, or George Buehler 'Diesel Duck',
> > with highly reliable power cruisers.
> >
> > Both these books are 'must reads'.
> >
> >http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Under-Power-Robert-Beebe/
> <http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Under-Power-Robert-Beebe/>
> >http://www.amazon.com/Buehlers-Backyard-Boatbuilding-George-Buehler/
> <http://www.amazon.com/Buehlers-Backyard-Boatbuilding-George-Buehler/>
> >
> > The PB&F boat along these lines is their design Tahiti.
>
> Or possibly White Eel?
>
> Or, perhaps, Fiji. With her large fuel tanks and that reliable Deutz
> diesel engine, Fiji could be operated under power exclusively if you
> wished, with the masts folded (Or perhaps the mizzen up for added
> stability). Then you could sail her when you felt like it, as well.
>
> What I would really like to see in this discussion, though, is the
> cartoon of the AS34, midway in size between the AS29 and the various
> 39 foot options (Loose Moose, Anemone, Fiji). Is the AS34 design
> currently complete? Would it be possible to post the cartoon?
>
> -Derek
>
>

Derek, Yes if an a AS 33 to AS 36 designe was around a few years ago I
would be interest now. . If I could buy a used one a couple years old
for $25,000 I would be
wanting to take a look. I am looking to buy a boat, not build one,
because building costs more than they are worth at this time. I like a
lot of Bolgers designs and have built a couple but there others who
design nice boats and there are good factory built boats out there to go
cruising in and live aboard. This does not take anything away from Mr.
Bolgers designs it's just that the timing is wrong for me.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> It is an interesting question "how big". Trading off space for
> 'things' versus how big the crew can handle. Plus the presumption, of
> whether it must be a sailboat. I too love to sail, but a funny thing,
> I love sailing a dinghy too, so one could have a powerboat with a
> dingy on deck to have a bigger boat which can be single handed, and
> still enjoy sailing.
>
> If long distance cruising is on the 'must have list', also consider
> the school of though of Robert Beebe, or George Buehler 'Diesel Duck',
> with highly reliable power cruisers.
>
> Both these books are 'must reads'.
>
>http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Under-Power-Robert-Beebe/
>http://www.amazon.com/Buehlers-Backyard-Boatbuilding-George-Buehler/
>
> The PB&F boat along these lines is their design Tahiti.

Or possibly White Eel?

Or, perhaps, Fiji. With her large fuel tanks and that reliable Deutz
diesel engine, Fiji could be operated under power exclusively if you wished, with the masts folded (Or perhaps the mizzen up for added stability). Then you could sail her when you felt like it, as well.

What I would really like to see in this discussion, though, is the cartoon of the AS34, midway in size between the AS29 and the various
39 foot options (Loose Moose, Anemone, Fiji). Is the AS34 design currently complete? Would it be possible to post the cartoon?

-Derek
It is an interesting question "how big". Trading off space for
'things' versus how big the crew can handle. Plus the presumption, of
whether it must be a sailboat. I too love to sail, but a funny thing,
I love sailing a dinghy too, so one could have a powerboat with a
dingy on deck to have a bigger boat which can be single handed, and
still enjoy sailing.

If long distance cruising is on the 'must have list', also consider
the school of though of Robert Beebe, or George Buehler 'Diesel Duck',
with highly reliable power cruisers.

Both these books are 'must reads'.

http://www.amazon.com/Voyaging-Under-Power-Robert-Beebe/
http://www.amazon.com/Buehlers-Backyard-Boatbuilding-George-Buehler/

The PB&F boat along these lines is their design Tahiti.



On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have been looking at AS29 and decided it's not as big as I would
> want as a live aboard boat. It would be fine for cruising and could be
> built pretty cheap. The as 39 is just more project than I want to
> tackle. If one comes up for sale I may buy her but we will have to see.
> The biggest thing against these boats is it cost just as much to
> build them when the economy is down as it does when things are booming.
> Used factory built boats are DIRT cheap. So it makes no sense to build.
> AS cheap as production boats are now I don't see how I can loose any
> money if I use one for 10 or 12 years and sell it. I am looking at the
> Bayfield 36 I can buy one for about $70,000 in excelent condition. They
> look to be excellent boats and the only thing I can see wrong with them
> is they are about 5 ft draft. I can also buy a Bayfield 40 ketch for
> between $75.000 and $100.000. Now there is the boat I really like but
> is too much for me to handle at my age.
> There are other production boats out there at cheaper prices which
> would likely be ok and I will consider them.
> I am deeply in Love with Catspaw on the link below. She too draws a
> a lot of water as compared to a sharpie. I may go down and take a look
> at her in a week. She has been around the world once and might very
> well be worn out, or she may be tight as a drum it's hard to know
> without going there. I am thinking the week after Thanksgiving might be
> a good time.
> This boat has a short rig and being a ketch she should likely not be
> such a handful to sail. This coming year should turn up a boat that
> suits in every way. Anyway for now building is not a reasonable option.
>
>
> Doug
>
>http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/category/type/Bayfield/1
>
>http://www.snyderstation.net/russ/catspaw/
>
>
I have been looking at AS29 and decided it's not as big as I would
want as a live aboard boat. It would be fine for cruising and could be
built pretty cheap. The as 39 is just more project than I want to
tackle. If one comes up for sale I may buy her but we will have to see.
The biggest thing against these boats is it cost just as much to
build them when the economy is down as it does when things are booming.
Used factory built boats are DIRT cheap. So it makes no sense to build.
AS cheap as production boats are now I don't see how I can loose any
money if I use one for 10 or 12 years and sell it. I am looking at the
Bayfield 36 I can buy one for about $70,000 in excelent condition. They
look to be excellent boats and the only thing I can see wrong with them
is they are about 5 ft draft. I can also buy a Bayfield 40 ketch for
between $75.000 and $100.000. Now there is the boat I really like but
is too much for me to handle at my age.
There are other production boats out there at cheaper prices which
would likely be ok and I will consider them.
I am deeply in Love with Catspaw on the link below. She too draws a
a lot of water as compared to a sharpie. I may go down and take a look
at her in a week. She has been around the world once and might very
well be worn out, or she may be tight as a drum it's hard to know
without going there. I am thinking the week after Thanksgiving might be
a good time.
This boat has a short rig and being a ketch she should likely not be
such a handful to sail. This coming year should turn up a boat that
suits in every way. Anyway for now building is not a reasonable option.


Doug


http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/category/type/Bayfield/1

http://www.snyderstation.net/russ/catspaw/