Re: [bolger] Keel Sharpie 55
Hi Dave
I too have be dreaming about the KS 55, although it will most likely stay
dreaming I couldn't help but put may two cents in.
provide the necessary strength. Also Bolger used 1/2" on the Breakdown
Schooner (found in Boats with and Open Mind) I would most likely use 3/4 to
1" for the longitudinals, with of course framing.
addition I think that cost an simplicity is a factor. Remember all of the
above boats where designed to be owner build and as such an outboard would
be easier to install and lest likely to be a safety hazard.
diablo but I don't think that either weights more that 150 lbs. This should
be well within the ability of the boom to lift.
work best and not just following rules (even his own) when it would get in
the way of the overall needs of the design itself. If you look at the JB
and KS 55 there is very little bow overhang beyond the waterline. In the
case of the AS 29 and AS 39 if the bows were brought out to points the
overhangs would be excessive. It would be interesting to know the timeline
of the designs was the JB designed before or after the KS 55 and when were
those two designs relative to the AS's. Also you cannot discount the tastes
of the client. I have some experience with designing things for clients and
sometimes you just do it the way they want it if it really makes no
difference in the safety or performance.
Michael Surface Still Building
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I too have be dreaming about the KS 55, although it will most likely stay
dreaming I couldn't help but put may two cents in.
>From: David Ryan <david@...>I would think that the hull would be in the order of 1/2" at least to
>
>What would the hull thicknesses be on a boat like this? How about the
>longitudinals?
provide the necessary strength. Also Bolger used 1/2" on the Breakdown
Schooner (found in Boats with and Open Mind) I would most likely use 3/4 to
1" for the longitudinals, with of course framing.
>Many of Bolger's round bilge models feature inboard engines, butI think that Boldger uses outboards for all of the reasons you stated, in
>this, as well at the AS29, AS39, and breakdown schooner are shown
>with outboard motors. Is this to make more space in the boat, avoid
>flammable vapors in the bilge, or something else?
addition I think that cost an simplicity is a factor. Remember all of the
above boats where designed to be owner build and as such an outboard would
be easier to install and lest likely to be a safety hazard.
>I'm also thinking where I'm going in this big sharpie, I'd ratherThat would be possible I don't recall the weight for the junebug or the
>have a diablo than a june bug. Think the boom can function as a crane
>to get the diablo on and off the deck?
diablo but I don't think that either weights more that 150 lbs. This should
be well within the ability of the boom to lift.
>Which brings up another point: transom bows. Bolger doesn't seem shyI think that Bolger is flexible when it comes to designs using what would
>at all about using them, despite how good awful ugly they are. My
>impression from his writing it he doesn't think the additional length
>and material justifies the times when they are actually beneficial.
>Do the BDS, JB and KS55 predate this concept, or is something else
>going on?
work best and not just following rules (even his own) when it would get in
the way of the overall needs of the design itself. If you look at the JB
and KS 55 there is very little bow overhang beyond the waterline. In the
case of the AS 29 and AS 39 if the bows were brought out to points the
overhangs would be excessive. It would be interesting to know the timeline
of the designs was the JB designed before or after the KS 55 and when were
those two designs relative to the AS's. Also you cannot discount the tastes
of the client. I have some experience with designing things for clients and
sometimes you just do it the way they want it if it really makes no
difference in the safety or performance.
Michael Surface Still Building
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This thread is giving me butterflies; I'm in the throes of building a
20-footer and sick of it, have missed most of the summer on the water in my
other four boats, the thought of a 55-er is just terrifying...
Don Hodges
20-footer and sick of it, have missed most of the summer on the water in my
other four boats, the thought of a 55-er is just terrifying...
Don Hodges
> First of all, why would I get a 39 foot box when there's a 55 footer
> in the offering?
>
> Second, why would I buy something already built when for just double
> the money I can build it myself?
>
>
>
> >You can buy Bob Archibald's AS39 for half that if he hasn't sold it yet.
Bob Archibald's AS39 has been sold. Now he has both money and space
for even more boats. Most people collect thimbles or
matchbooks....Bob collects boats!
Bob's onery and grumpy, but he's a good friend of mine. Hope he
reads this! 'fess up, Bob, how many boats DO you have?
John
for even more boats. Most people collect thimbles or
matchbooks....Bob collects boats!
Bob's onery and grumpy, but he's a good friend of mine. Hope he
reads this! 'fess up, Bob, how many boats DO you have?
John
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Donald Hodges" <dhodges@w...> wrote:
> You can buy Bob Archibald's AS39 for half that if he hasn't sold it
yet.
Now this is just a silly idea.
First of all, why would I get a 39 foot box when there's a 55 footer
in the offering?
Second, why would I buy something already built when for just double
the money I can build it myself?
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First of all, why would I get a 39 foot box when there's a 55 footer
in the offering?
Second, why would I buy something already built when for just double
the money I can build it myself?
>You can buy Bob Archibald's AS39 for half that if he hasn't sold it yet.CRUMBLING EMPIRE PRODUCTIONS
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: David Ryan <david@...>
>To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:30 PM
>Subject: [bolger] Keel Sharpie 55
>
>
>> FBBB -
>>
>> Lousy day to work with epoxy and I've worn my arms out sanding masts
>> so I day-dreaming about the 55 some more.
>>
>> I guestimate about 50-60K to get her launched and underway. Anyone
>> with more experience building big boxes want to give a guess?
>>
>> YIBB,
>>
>> David
>>
>>
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>Bolger rules!!!
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You can buy Bob Archibald's AS39 for half that if he hasn't sold it yet.
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From: David Ryan <david@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:30 PM
Subject: [bolger] Keel Sharpie 55
> FBBB -
>
> Lousy day to work with epoxy and I've worn my arms out sanding masts
> so I day-dreaming about the 55 some more.
>
> I guestimate about 50-60K to get her launched and underway. Anyone
> with more experience building big boxes want to give a guess?
>
> YIBB,
>
> David
>
>
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David Wrote
with PCB) recently built a 39' "box" to his own design for $40,000 NZ
(that's $20,000 US). This involved a certain amount of scrounging and a lot
of experience and cunning but serves to illustrate the possibilities.
Bigger boats arn't necessarily more expensive if one doen't go mad on gear
and the displacement isn't heavy. If you analyse the cost of a boat the
hull/decks material costs are often something like 20% or less of total. By
keeping displacement modest relatively smaller sails and engines are
required.
Regards - Foster Price
> Lousy day to work with epoxy and I've worn my arms out sanding mastsAn aquaintance of mine (Gary Underwood - who incidentally is well aquainted
> so I day-dreaming about the 55 some more.
>
> I guestimate about 50-60K to get her launched and underway. Anyone
> with more experience building big boxes want to give a guess?
>
> YIBB,
>
with PCB) recently built a 39' "box" to his own design for $40,000 NZ
(that's $20,000 US). This involved a certain amount of scrounging and a lot
of experience and cunning but serves to illustrate the possibilities.
Bigger boats arn't necessarily more expensive if one doen't go mad on gear
and the displacement isn't heavy. If you analyse the cost of a boat the
hull/decks material costs are often something like 20% or less of total. By
keeping displacement modest relatively smaller sails and engines are
required.
Regards - Foster Price