Re: WAS; still need whale watcher info NOW : Wolfpack
Pretty much the same as in the other boats in the hull group, including MicroTrawler, Retriever, Hawkeye, even Fast Motor Sailer. It is easy to build, holds the bow up and, also does the things you suggest. I like the handle holes for beaching.
Don
Don
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "jdmeddock" <jmeddock@...> wrote:
>
> I remember the MAIB article, just can't recall the reason for the extended deep forefoot.
>
> Boulder detecting crumple zone?
>
> Fin to pivot around to make it turn instead of spinning in circles
> while continue in the same direction?
>
> Justin
>
I remember the MAIB article, just can't recall the reason for the extended deep forefoot.
Boulder detecting crumple zone?
Fin to pivot around to make it turn instead of spinning in circles
while continue in the same direction?
Justin
Boulder detecting crumple zone?
Fin to pivot around to make it turn instead of spinning in circles
while continue in the same direction?
Justin
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...> wrote:
>
>
> Yes. The jet proposed is very conventional. PBF also proposed mounting radiators for cooling the small block Chevy powerplant. The radiators are a very practical improvement. He suggests having a reverse gear available on a transmission to permit back flushing the pump.
>
> The overall hull design isn't much different from a MicroTrawler. Although not a completed design, IMO one could take the sketches, a set of MicroTrawler plans, and one of the plywood boat software packages like Carlson's Hulls and build it.
>
Thanks, this one is right. Giuliano --- OnThu, 12/3/09, BrianA<bawrytr@...>wrote:
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Thanks Brian Giuliano --- OnThu, 12/3/09, BrianA<bawrytr@...>wrote:
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Yes. The jet proposed is very conventional. PBF also proposed mounting radiators for cooling the small block Chevy powerplant. The radiators are a very practical improvement. He suggests having a reverse gear available on a transmission to permit back flushing the pump.
The overall hull design isn't much different from a MicroTrawler. Although not a completed design, IMO one could take the sketches, a set of MicroTrawler plans, and one of the plywood boat software packages like Carlson's Hulls and build it.
Frankly I think it is a great example of PBF's ability to get outside the box of established thinking and propose some really practical improvements over the status quo.
I'm not a fan of jet-pumps. I think one is constantly tempted into really shallow stuff where the pump becomes vulnerable to sand and pebbles being drawn in. It would be a fun day boat for any lake with an I/O or even outboard power. Remove the V8 to go outboard, and you gain even more room for friends. Fast, and a great ski boat. Excellent beaching ability.
Don Schultz
The overall hull design isn't much different from a MicroTrawler. Although not a completed design, IMO one could take the sketches, a set of MicroTrawler plans, and one of the plywood boat software packages like Carlson's Hulls and build it.
Frankly I think it is a great example of PBF's ability to get outside the box of established thinking and propose some really practical improvements over the status quo.
I'm not a fan of jet-pumps. I think one is constantly tempted into really shallow stuff where the pump becomes vulnerable to sand and pebbles being drawn in. It would be a fun day boat for any lake with an I/O or even outboard power. Remove the V8 to go outboard, and you gain even more room for friends. Fast, and a great ski boat. Excellent beaching ability.
Don Schultz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, GBroadlick@... wrote:
>
> What an interesting boat. Is it a jet drive?
>
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 5:59 AM, <GBroadlick@...> wrote:
Yes, a jet drive, powered by an automotive Chevy engine.
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/3328554193/in/photostream/
>
>
> What an interesting boat. Is it a jet drive?
>
Yes, a jet drive, powered by an automotive Chevy engine.
What an interesting boat. Is it a jet drive?
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: still need whale watcher info
From: Bruce Hallman <hallman@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2009 12:26 pm
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: still need whale watcher info
Now that this topic thread has shifted to boating on Alaskan rivers,
it is worth mentioning again the PB&F designed concept boat, exactly
for the purpose of boating wilderness rivers, the 22 foot jetboat
Wolfpack. Here is the isometric study I did of that boat...
http://flickr. com/photos/ hallman/33293876 86/
it is worth mentioning again the PB&F designed concept boat, exactly
for the purpose of boating wilderness rivers, the 22 foot jetboat
Wolfpack. Here is the isometric study I did of that boat...
http://flickr. com/photos/ hallman/33293876 86/
Harry, thanks for reminding me about Dead Horse
Pass. I did read about that, and my old geeze will have to hear about it too,
when I revise the book in January. Thanks too for the other information on
horses in Alaska.
We leave the travelers at the Welcome sign on the border, but perhaps there should be a sequel, or another few chapters at least. I was doing NaNoWriMo, NationalNovel Writing Month, where folks get together in little supportive groups, give themselves the deadline of wrigint 50K word novels in November, and go at it. This is my third time, and amo do it every November as long as I can.
We leave the travelers at the Welcome sign on the border, but perhaps there should be a sequel, or another few chapters at least. I was doing NaNoWriMo, NationalNovel Writing Month, where folks get together in little supportive groups, give themselves the deadline of wrigint 50K word novels in November, and go at it. This is my third time, and amo do it every November as long as I can.
I should mention that Fairbanks is not on the Yukon it is on the
Tanana, quite a few miles upstream from where it flows into the Yukon
at Tanana. One more comment, I think there are only two places where
you can drive to the Yukon in Alaska, one at Eagle on the Canadian/AK
border and the other where the Dalton highway crosses North of
Fairbanks. I hadn't really thought about it before 1.5K to 2K miles of
river, no roads
HJ
Harry James wrote:
HJ
Harry James wrote:
Out of Seattle throw it on a barge to Skagway or cruise it up, then get it on the White pass railway then on to Bennett into the water there (would require White Pass help because they are the only people in Bennett). Proceed all the way down the Yukon to the Kotlik mouth cross Norton Sound to Nome and load up on a barge back to Seattle.
As far as mosquitoes go, I am only familiar with the lower Yukon up to Fairbanks. I distinctly remembering encountering one or two.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:Great option - now I think about it. A lot of those trucks are probably back-hauling empty. And the main shipping point is Edmonton AB or even on down to Chicago. The big challenge would be to get the boat from the water onto the truck. Harry could likely arrange that;-D Nels --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000"<daschultz8275@...>wrote:Seems like much supplies must be trucked in to these towns. I'dexpect one could hire a truck to take the entire rig out, or perhaps a local could be hired to drive it out. Certainly no cheap solutions, but nothing is in Alaska nor the Yukon.Don Schultz --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there withyourboat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try tosellthe boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near whatitwould be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would betoointerested in going back upstream again.------------------------------------ Bolger rules!!! - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please! - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349 - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/join(Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email:bolger-digest@yahoogroups.combolger-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Out of Seattle throw it on a barge to Skagway or cruise it up, then get
it on the White pass railway then on to Bennett into the water there
(would require White Pass help because they are the only people in
Bennett). Proceed all the way down the Yukon to the Kotlik mouth cross
Norton Sound to Nome and load up on a barge back to Seattle.
As far as mosquitoes go, I am only familiar with the lower Yukon up to Fairbanks. I distinctly remembering encountering one or two.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
As far as mosquitoes go, I am only familiar with the lower Yukon up to Fairbanks. I distinctly remembering encountering one or two.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
Great option - now I think about it. A lot of those trucks are probably back-hauling empty. And the main shipping point is Edmonton AB or even on down to Chicago. The big challenge would be to get the boat from the water onto the truck. Harry could likely arrange that;-D Nels --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000"<daschultz8275@...>wrote:Seems like much supplies must be trucked in to these towns. I'dexpect one could hire a truck to take the entire rig out, or perhaps a local could be hired to drive it out. Certainly no cheap solutions, but nothing is in Alaska nor the Yukon.Don Schultz --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there withyourboat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try tosellthe boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near whatitwould be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would betoointerested in going back upstream again.------------------------------------ Bolger rules!!! - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please! - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349 - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com- Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/<*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/join(Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email:bolger-digest@yahoogroups.combolger-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com<*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com<*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Llamas Harry - You need some llamas!
Tasty, and a great source of fiber for warm clothing. Apparently they
originated in North America and migrated south during the ice age. So
maybe would be "reluctant" to return:-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama
Nels
Tasty, and a great source of fiber for warm clothing. Apparently they
originated in North America and migrated south during the ice age. So
maybe would be "reluctant" to return:-)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Llama
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Horses have never been used very successfully in AK.
Fritz's main site is
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
Lots of neat Bolger stuff if you haven't seen it before. Might have gone
off line today if he was messing about with the server, he got back at
three this morning from WA on the ferry.
As for offsets. I did a rough design on Plyboats, printed it off too
scale, we took measurements for three frames and the transom with a
scale rule set it up and took measurements for the rest of the frames
direct after bending in the chines. Though none of us were pro's (though
I guess we are now as we got paid for the build) Fritz, Mary Ann and I
have been around wooden boats and builders all our lives. The set up on
the backbone is the most accurate I have done, when we stretched a
string down the frames after everything was in place all the marked
centerlines on the frames were exactly on the string, not off even by a
64th.
HJ
BrianA wrote:
http://www.alaska.net/~fritzf/Boats/Boats.htm
Lots of neat Bolger stuff if you haven't seen it before. Might have gone
off line today if he was messing about with the server, he got back at
three this morning from WA on the ferry.
As for offsets. I did a rough design on Plyboats, printed it off too
scale, we took measurements for three frames and the transom with a
scale rule set it up and took measurements for the rest of the frames
direct after bending in the chines. Though none of us were pro's (though
I guess we are now as we got paid for the build) Fritz, Mary Ann and I
have been around wooden boats and builders all our lives. The set up on
the backbone is the most accurate I have done, when we stretched a
string down the frames after everything was in place all the marked
centerlines on the frames were exactly on the string, not off even by a
64th.
HJ
BrianA wrote:
> Wow, not having the best day today. Here is the site/
>
>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BrianA" <bawrytr@...> wrote:
>
>> Here it really is Giuliano, I found it today when the subject came up
>>
>> www.bearmountainboats.com
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Giuliano Girometta <ggboat1@> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, there was a site with many picture of the construction of the Klondyke, but now that link is not working any more.
>>> Any one have any other link to that site?
>>> Also a table of offsets wil be greatly appreciated if available.
>>> Â
>>> Thanks
>>> Giuliano
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, BrianA <bawrytr@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: BrianA <bawrytr@>
>>> Subject: [bolger] Klondike boat
>>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>>> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:03 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Â
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Harry, what a great gig and a nice boat. How did the film people hook up with you to build the boat?
>>>
>>> Cheers, Brian
>>>
>>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@ .> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The boat was given to the White Pass Railroad as a payment for them
>>>> transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
>>>> gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
>>>> river stuff.
>>>>
>>>> HJ
>>>>
>>>> prairiedog2332 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
>>>>> Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
>>>>> 130 km further on.
>>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
>>>>> Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.youtubecom/watch? v=uEToyZ8ALKM& feature=related>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nels
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
>>>>>> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
>>>>>> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
>>>>>> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
>>>>>> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Gold".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See bottom of the page
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/ Klondike/ Transport/ Transport. htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>> prairiedog2332 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> river
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
>>>>>>> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> stern
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> looked forward to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> points
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> south.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Inuvik
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> sell
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
>>>>>>> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> it
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> too
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> interested in going back upstream again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> and a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> think
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nels
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> Micro
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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I like that kind of thinkin
Susanne@...wrote:
Susanne@...wrote:
>
> He would be 82 today.
> He often forgot such holidays and anniversaries. Gifts, he thought, we
> treat ourselves to if and when we see something throughout the year we
> might like or even need. And never spare money on books or magazines.
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
Obviously this is where the Birdwatcher-style topsides really shines. I
hope Mr. Bolger would understand the advantages of having some of
windows allowed to be opening and maybe a "no-see-um" type net option
for the central opening. The other advantage would be the ability to
anchor a bit off the river bank. (Dynamite shows the ideal system in his
latest book:-)
Also considering the extended daylight hours a fairly large solar array
each side of the opening would be well worth the expense, especially
considering the cost of gas in those localities. Perhaps some of the
water ballast area could be modified to hold a battery bank. For much of
the trip one would not even need a motor but a high-thrust 9.9 hp
4-stroke would be handy if you miss your landing spot and have to spin
around and go back upstream or get caught out in some big cross-winds.
Perhaps an e-tech electric auxiliary might be worth looking at as well -
which would make it very cost efficient fuel-wise and eco-friendly.
In my experience in canoeing northern rivers, there is a biting bug
specifically "designed" for every type of environmental situation
encountered. Possible exception is being out on the water itself and far
enough off-shore to be outside the weed zone and into a breeze. Many
have never heard of DEET either:-)
Nels
hope Mr. Bolger would understand the advantages of having some of
windows allowed to be opening and maybe a "no-see-um" type net option
for the central opening. The other advantage would be the ability to
anchor a bit off the river bank. (Dynamite shows the ideal system in his
latest book:-)
Also considering the extended daylight hours a fairly large solar array
each side of the opening would be well worth the expense, especially
considering the cost of gas in those localities. Perhaps some of the
water ballast area could be modified to hold a battery bank. For much of
the trip one would not even need a motor but a high-thrust 9.9 hp
4-stroke would be handy if you miss your landing spot and have to spin
around and go back upstream or get caught out in some big cross-winds.
Perhaps an e-tech electric auxiliary might be worth looking at as well -
which would make it very cost efficient fuel-wise and eco-friendly.
In my experience in canoeing northern rivers, there is a biting bug
specifically "designed" for every type of environmental situation
encountered. Possible exception is being out on the water itself and far
enough off-shore to be outside the weed zone and into a breeze. Many
have never heard of DEET either:-)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Ages ago someone built a Folding Schooner, trailered it to a suitable
spot way up the river and then took it down the Yukon. Lot's of DEET
required, I guess.
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
Found us through Fritz's website and emailed him. We then had a meeting
and just did it. We were all busy people with normal American family
commitments, just carved the time out of jobs and life and did it, still
amazes me.
HJ
BrianA wrote:
and just did it. We were all busy people with normal American family
commitments, just carved the time out of jobs and life and did it, still
amazes me.
HJ
BrianA wrote:
> Hi Harry, what a great gig and a nice boat. How did the film people hook up with you to build the boat?
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> The boat was given to the White Pass Railroad as a payment for them
>> transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
>> gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
>> river stuff.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>> prairiedog2332 wrote:
>>
>>> You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
>>> Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
>>> 130 km further on.
>>>
>>> Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
>>> Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
>>>
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEToyZ8ALKM&feature=related>
>>>
>>> Nels
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
>>>> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
>>>>
>>>>
>>> to
>>>
>>>
>>>> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
>>>> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
>>>> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
>>>> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Gold".
>>>
>>>
>>>> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
>>>>
>>>> See bottom of the page
>>>>
>>>>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
>>>>
>>>> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
>>>>
>>>> HJ
>>>>
>>>> prairiedog2332 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> river
>>>
>>>
>>>>> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
>>>>> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> stern
>>>
>>>
>>>>> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>>
>>>>> looked forward to.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> points
>>>
>>>
>>>>> south.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
>>>>>
>>>>> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
>>>>>
>>>>> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> your
>>>
>>>
>>>>> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> sell
>>>
>>>
>>>>> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
>>>>> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> it
>>>
>>>
>>>>> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> too
>>>
>>>
>>>>> interested in going back upstream again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> and a
>>>
>>>
>>>>> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> think
>>>
>>>
>>>>> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nels
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>> Micro
>>>
>>>
>>>>> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
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We used those photo's in designing the boat. Built it approximately in
the same time out of very similar materials. Delivered the boat 22 days
after delivery of very green rough cut wood for planking.
Horses have never been used very successfully in AK. There was a horse
trail over the summit from Skagway, different from the famous Golden
Staircase the walkers came over. The horse trail was close in some
places to the railroad, I believe there are still some bones from the
3-4,000 horses that died there.
Horses were used in central AK for packing during the time frame you are
talking about. I may have read about some horse loggers up there too.
The terrain is suitable in the hills from the Gates of the Arctic over
to the Canadian border and up to the North Slope. The problem is graze,
vegetation in AK is not really suitable for horses.
HJ
Adirondack Goodboat wrote:
the same time out of very similar materials. Delivered the boat 22 days
after delivery of very green rough cut wood for planking.
Horses have never been used very successfully in AK. There was a horse
trail over the summit from Skagway, different from the famous Golden
Staircase the walkers came over. The horse trail was close in some
places to the railroad, I believe there are still some bones from the
3-4,000 horses that died there.
Horses were used in central AK for packing during the time frame you are
talking about. I may have read about some horse loggers up there too.
The terrain is suitable in the hills from the Gates of the Arctic over
to the Canadian border and up to the North Slope. The problem is graze,
vegetation in AK is not really suitable for horses.
HJ
Adirondack Goodboat wrote:
>
>
> This is another fascinating coincidence for me, Harry, because I was
> just looking at the photos of a famous Gold Rush photographer online,
> and was amazed to see these tent communities along the lake where a
> boat is being built beside every tent. What a boatbuilding scene that
> was! I'd never known that the miners got to Dawson by water. I'll have
> to send you a copy of my little November novel, /Far Alaska/, in which
> my central character, an old man who thinks he has "done the worse a
> man can do" back East and therefore unfit for unfit to live among
> civilized people, hits for the territories. He steals a coupled horses
> on the way, and then sees these pictures in a museum in Whitehorse and
> is shocked to discover that horses had no part in the Gold Rush. He's
> a horse-oriented fella, not like us, and had associated the gold Rush
> with the Wild West. think he'll find work for his team on the Trans
> Alaska Pipeline? It's 1972 or so.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Harry James <mailto:welshman@...>
> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:09 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [bolger] Re: still need whale watcher info
>
>
>
> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson
> the
> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long
> way to
> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
> Gold".
> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
>
> See bottom of the page
>
>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
> <http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm>
>
> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
>
> HJ
>
>
>
>
>
Great option - now I think about it. A lot of those trucks are probably
back-hauling empty. And the main shipping point is Edmonton AB or even
on down to Chicago. The big challenge would be to get the boat from the
water onto the truck.
Harry could likely arrange that;-D
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...>
wrote:
local could be hired to drive it out. Certainly no cheap solutions, but
nothing is in Alaska nor the Yukon.
back-hauling empty. And the main shipping point is Edmonton AB or even
on down to Chicago. The big challenge would be to get the boat from the
water onto the truck.
Harry could likely arrange that;-D
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...>
wrote:
>expect one could hire a truck to take the entire rig out, or perhaps a
>
> Seems like much supplies must be trucked in to these towns. I'd
local could be hired to drive it out. Certainly no cheap solutions, but
nothing is in Alaska nor the Yukon.
>your
> Don Schultz
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:
> >
> > So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
> > boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try tosell
> > the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be ait
> > buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
> > would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would betoo
> > interested in going back upstream again.
> >
>
Wow, not having the best day today. Here is the site/
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Klondike.htm
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "BrianA" <bawrytr@...> wrote:
>
> Here it really is Giuliano, I found it today when the subject came up
>
> www.bearmountainboats.com
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Giuliano Girometta <ggboat1@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, there was a site with many picture of the construction of the Klondyke, but now that link is not working any more.
> > Any one have any other link to that site?
> > Also a table of offsets wil be greatly appreciated if available.
> > Â
> > Thanks
> > Giuliano
> >
> > --- On Thu, 12/3/09, BrianA <bawrytr@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: BrianA <bawrytr@>
> > Subject: [bolger] Klondike boat
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:03 PM
> >
> >
> > Â
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Harry, what a great gig and a nice boat. How did the film people hook up with you to build the boat?
> >
> > Cheers, Brian
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@ .> wrote:
> > >
> > > The boat was given to the White Pass Railroad as a payment for them
> > > transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
> > > gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
> > > river stuff.
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> > > prairiedog2332 wrote:
> > > > You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
> > > > Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
> > > > 130 km further on.
> > > >
> > > > Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
> > > > Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
> > > >
> > > > <http://www.youtubecom/watch? v=uEToyZ8ALKM& feature=related>
> > > >
> > > > Nels
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
> > > >> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
> > > >>
> > > > to
> > > >
> > > >> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
> > > >> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
> > > >> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
> > > >> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
> > > >>
> > > > Gold".
> > > >
> > > >> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
> > > >>
> > > >> See bottom of the page
> > > >>
> > > >>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/ Klondike/ Transport/ Transport. htm
> > > >>
> > > >> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
> > > >>
> > > >> HJ
> > > >>
> > > >> prairiedog2332 wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
> > > >>>
> > > > river
> > > >
> > > >>> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
> > > >>> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
> > > >>>
> > > > stern
> > > >
> > > >>> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
> > > >>>
> > > > and
> > > >
> > > >>> looked forward to.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
> > > >>>
> > > > points
> > > >
> > > >>> south.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Inuvik
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
> > > >>>
> > > > your
> > > >
> > > >>> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
> > > >>>
> > > > sell
> > > >
> > > >>> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> > > >>> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
> > > >>>
> > > > it
> > > >
> > > >>> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
> > > >>>
> > > > too
> > > >
> > > >>> interested in going back upstream again.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
> > > >>>
> > > > and a
> > > >
> > > >>> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
> > > >>>
> > > > think
> > > >
> > > >>> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Nels
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
> > > >>>
> > > > Micro
> > > >
> > > >>> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Bolger rules!!!
> > > >>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > > >>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> > > >>>
> > > > dead horses
> > > >
> > > >>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > > >>>
> > > > posts
> > > >
> > > >>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > > >>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> > > >>>
> > > > Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > >
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Now that this topic thread has shifted to boating on Alaskan rivers,
it is worth mentioning again the PB&F designed concept boat, exactly
for the purpose of boating wilderness rivers, the 22 foot jetboat
Wolfpack. Here is the isometric study I did of that boat...
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/3329387686/
it is worth mentioning again the PB&F designed concept boat, exactly
for the purpose of boating wilderness rivers, the 22 foot jetboat
Wolfpack. Here is the isometric study I did of that boat...
http://flickr.com/photos/hallman/3329387686/
main photographer I was looking at was
E.A.Hegg. I think I saw a lot of his stuff on a
University of Washington site. but you'll find a lot by googling Klondike
Photographers.
Here it really is Giuliano, I found it today when the subject came up
www.bearmountainboats.com
www.bearmountainboats.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Giuliano Girometta <ggboat1@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, there was a site with many picture of the construction of the Klondyke, but now that link is not working any more.
> Any one have any other link to that site?
> Also a table of offsets wil be greatly appreciated if available.
> Â
> Thanks
> Giuliano
>
> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, BrianA <bawrytr@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: BrianA <bawrytr@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Klondike boat
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 12:03 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
>
> Hi Harry, what a great gig and a nice boat. How did the film people hook up with you to build the boat?
>
> Cheers, Brian
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@ .> wrote:
> >
> > The boat was given to the White Pass Railroad as a payment for them
> > transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
> > gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
> > river stuff.
> >
> > HJ
> >
> > prairiedog2332 wrote:
> > > You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
> > > Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
> > > 130 km further on.
> > >
> > > Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
> > > Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
> > >
> > > <http://www.youtubecom/watch? v=uEToyZ8ALKM& feature=related>
> > >
> > > Nels
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> > >
> > >> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
> > >> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
> > >>
> > > to
> > >
> > >> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
> > >> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
> > >> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
> > >> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
> > >>
> > > Gold".
> > >
> > >> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
> > >>
> > >> See bottom of the page
> > >>
> > >>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/ Klondike/ Transport/ Transport. htm
> > >>
> > >> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
> > >>
> > >> HJ
> > >>
> > >> prairiedog2332 wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
> > >>>
> > > river
> > >
> > >>> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
> > >>> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
> > >>>
> > > stern
> > >
> > >>> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
> > >>>
> > > and
> > >
> > >>> looked forward to.
> > >>>
> > >>> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
> > >>>
> > > points
> > >
> > >>> south.
> > >>>
> > >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Inuvik
> > >>>
> > >>> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
> > >>>
> > >>> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
> > >>>
> > > your
> > >
> > >>> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
> > >>>
> > > sell
> > >
> > >>> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> > >>> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
> > >>>
> > > it
> > >
> > >>> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
> > >>>
> > > too
> > >
> > >>> interested in going back upstream again.
> > >>>
> > >>> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
> > >>>
> > > and a
> > >
> > >>> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
> > >>>
> > > think
> > >
> > >>> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
> > >>>
> > >>> Nels
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
> > >>>
> > > Micro
> > >
> > >>> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >>>
> > >>> Bolger rules!!!
> > >>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > >>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> > >>>
> > > dead horses
> > >
> > >>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > >>>
> > > posts
> > >
> > >>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > >>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> > >>>
> > > Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > >
> > >>> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups. com
> > >>> - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_ lounge-subscribe @yahoogroups. com
> > >>>
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> > >
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
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> > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>
Ages ago someone built a Folding Schooner,
trailered it to a suitable spot way up the river and then took it down the
Yukon. Lot's of DEET required, I guess.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
For all his genius in boat design, I also found his writing to be a greater pleasure. I own 3 of his books now, and enjoy reading about boats in which I have no interest because of hte quality of the writing.
Don Schultz
Don Schultz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Doug Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> One of the nicest things about having Mr. Bolger design a boat for you
> was his letters. I have always suspected that his writing style was
> influenced by Joshia Slocums, to some degree and they were interesting
> and a pleasure to read. I still have some of them.
> Doug
>
Seems like much supplies must be trucked in to these towns. I'd expect one could hire a truck to take the entire rig out, or perhaps a local could be hired to drive it out. Certainly no cheap solutions, but nothing is in Alaska nor the Yukon.
Don Schultz
Don Schultz
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with your
> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to sell
> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what it
> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be too
> interested in going back upstream again.
>
Hi, there was a site with many picture of the construction of the Klondyke, but now that link is not working any more. Any one have any other link to that site? Also a table of offsets wil be greatly appreciated if available. Thanks Giuliano --- OnThu, 12/3/09, BrianA<bawrytr@...>wrote:
|
One of the nicest things about having Mr. Bolger design a boat for you
was his letters. I have always suspected that his writing style was
influenced by Joshia Slocums, to some degree and they were interesting
and a pleasure to read. I still have some of them.
Doug
Susanne@...wrote:
was his letters. I have always suspected that his writing style was
influenced by Joshia Slocums, to some degree and they were interesting
and a pleasure to read. I still have some of them.
Doug
Susanne@...wrote:
>
> He would be 82 today.
> He often forgot such holidays and anniversaries. Gifts, he thought, we
> treat ourselves to if and when we see something throughout the year we
> might like or even need. And never spare money on books or magazines.
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
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Now I'll keep Phil in mind when I hear the quote from Erasmus:
"When I have a little money, I buy books; and if I have any left, I buy food and clothes."
Happy Birthday Phil
Fred
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 7:48 AM, David Cassidy<d.cassidy@...>wrote:Happy Birthday, Mr. Bolger.I've always lived by the same philosophy of gifting -- for myself and for others -- especially the part about magazines and books.We all miss him.DGCOn Dec 3, 2009, at 7:43 AM,Susanne@...wrote:He would be 82 today.He often forgot such holidays and anniversaries. Gifts, he thought, we treat ourselves to if and when we see something throughout the year we might like or even need. And never spare money on books or magazines.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
___
Happy Birthday, Mr. Bolger.
I've always lived by the same philosophy of gifting -- for myself and for others -- especially the part about magazines and books.
We all miss him.
DGC
On Dec 3, 2009, at 7:43 AM,Susanne@...wrote:He would be 82 today.He often forgot such holidays and anniversaries. Gifts, he thought, we treat ourselves to if and when we see something throughout the year we might like or even need. And never spare money on books or magazines.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
___
He would be 82 today.
He often forgot such holidays and
anniversaries. Gifts, he thought, we treat ourselves to if and when we see
something throughout the year we might like or even need. And never spare
money on books or magazines.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Hi Harry, what a great gig and a nice boat. How did the film people hook up with you to build the boat?
Cheers, Brian
Cheers, Brian
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> The boat was given to the White Pass Railroad as a payment for them
> transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
> gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
> river stuff.
>
> HJ
>
> prairiedog2332 wrote:
> > You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
> > Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
> > 130 km further on.
> >
> > Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
> > Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
> >
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEToyZ8ALKM&feature=related>
> >
> > Nels
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> >
> >> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
> >> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
> >>
> > to
> >
> >> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
> >> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
> >> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
> >> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
> >>
> > Gold".
> >
> >> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
> >>
> >> See bottom of the page
> >>
> >>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
> >>
> >> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
> >>
> >> HJ
> >>
> >> prairiedog2332 wrote:
> >>
> >>> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
> >>>
> > river
> >
> >>> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
> >>> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
> >>>
> > stern
> >
> >>> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
> >>>
> > and
> >
> >>> looked forward to.
> >>>
> >>> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
> >>>
> > points
> >
> >>> south.
> >>>
> >>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
> >>>
> >>> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
> >>>
> >>> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
> >>>
> > your
> >
> >>> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
> >>>
> > sell
> >
> >>> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> >>> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
> >>>
> > it
> >
> >>> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
> >>>
> > too
> >
> >>> interested in going back upstream again.
> >>>
> >>> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
> >>>
> > and a
> >
> >>> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
> >>>
> > think
> >
> >>> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
> >>>
> >>> Nels
> >>>
> >>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
> >>>
> > Micro
> >
> >>> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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The boat was given to the White Pass Railroad as a payment for them
transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
river stuff.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
transporting it to Bennett along with the building crew plus other
gimmes. It is on display at the stop in Bennett now. Episode 2 has the
river stuff.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
> You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
> Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
> 130 km further on.
>
> Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
> Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEToyZ8ALKM&feature=related>
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
>> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
>> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
>>
> to
>
>> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
>> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
>> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
>> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
>>
> Gold".
>
>> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
>>
>> See bottom of the page
>>
>>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
>>
>> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
>>
>> HJ
>>
>> prairiedog2332 wrote:
>>
>>> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
>>>
> river
>
>>> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
>>> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
>>>
> stern
>
>>> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
>>>
> and
>
>>> looked forward to.
>>>
>>> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
>>>
> points
>
>>> south.
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
>>>
>>> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
>>>
>>> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
>>>
> your
>
>>> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
>>>
> sell
>
>>> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
>>> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
>>>
> it
>
>>> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
>>>
> too
>
>>> interested in going back upstream again.
>>>
>>> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
>>>
> and a
>
>>> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
>>>
> think
>
>>> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
>>>
>>> Nels
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
>>>>
>>>>
>>> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
>>>
> Micro
>
>>> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Bolger rules!!!
>>> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
>>>
> dead horses
>
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>>>
> posts
>
>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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>>>
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>
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>>>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
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You could also probably launch into the Teslin River at Johnson's
Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
130 km further on.
Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEToyZ8ALKM&feature=related>
Nels
Crossing where the Alaska hwy goes over it and it joins the Yukon about
130 km further on.
Did you ever hear what happened to the boat after the series was shot?
Do you recall which episode had the river stuff in it?
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEToyZ8ALKM&feature=related>
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
> next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way
to
> a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
> summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
> Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
> delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for
Gold".
> It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
>
> See bottom of the page
>
>http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
>
> They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
>
> HJ
>
> prairiedog2332 wrote:
> > The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the
river
> > narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
> > with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the
stern
> > aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun
and
> > looked forward to.
> >
> > The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and
points
> > south.
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
> >
> > No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
> >
> > So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with
your
> > boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to
sell
> > the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> > buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what
it
> > would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be
too
> > interested in going back upstream again.
> >
> > Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel
and a
> > lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just
think
> > that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
> >
> > Nels
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" goodboat@ wrote:
> >
> >> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
> >>
> > rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
Micro
> > do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
You can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way to
a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for Gold".
It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
See bottom of the page
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way to
a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for Gold".
It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
See bottom of the page
http://www.backwater.org/Boats/Klondike/Transport/Transport.htm
They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the river
> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the stern
> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun and
> looked forward to.
>
> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and points
> south.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
>
> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
>
> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with your
> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to sell
> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what it
> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be too
> interested in going back upstream again.
>
> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel and a
> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just think
> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
>
>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
>>
> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a Micro
> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the river
narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the stern
aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun and
looked forward to.
The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and points
south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with your
boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to sell
the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what it
would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be too
interested in going back upstream again.
Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel and a
lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just think
that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
Nels
narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the stern
aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun and
looked forward to.
The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and points
south.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuvik
No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with your
boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to sell
the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what it
would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be too
interested in going back upstream again.
Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel and a
lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just think
that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
>
> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a Micro
do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
>
It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see
WW taking the rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a
Micro do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
Mason,
If really adventerous and had the time, a WW could be launched at
Whitecourt AB on the Athabasca and find its way to the Arctic Ocean. The
river is about 50 yards wide last time I was there, and flowing fast,
especially if you catch the spring run-off. Above Hinton it is mostly a
whitewater river. Between there and Ft. MacMurray one can encounter
dozens of bears a day so nice to have such a boat. Wood Buffalo National
Park has the world's largest free-roaming herd of bison as well as the
summer nesting destination for the rare whooping crane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_Buffalo_National_Park
Another option is heading down the Yukon River from the "marge of Lake
Labarge". This is much more a wilderness trip without going out onto the
barrens like the other option. Might even encounter the huge caribou
migration.
There is also supposed to be an "Alaskan Motor Sailor" in the
Yellowknife area but have never been able to locate the owner, nor hear
if it was ever built. Perhaps Susanne could enlighten us on that?
There is considerable barge traffic on the MacKenzie out of Yellowknife,
so a WW would seem to fit right in. The bow-board would be a necessity,
as well as a high-thrust outboard for control, along with a crew-member
to handle lines etc., as the current and wind combination could be a
challenge on either river. Advantages are the beaching ability of WW,
while at the same time being able to anchor out far enough to be out of
the mud and bugs. At the start one would be looking at about 16 hours or
more of daylight once the ice goes out and of course much more as one
goes north. So with a crew of say two couples alternating watches it
would be possible to accumulate some awesome daily runs.
Nels
If really adventerous and had the time, a WW could be launched at
Whitecourt AB on the Athabasca and find its way to the Arctic Ocean. The
river is about 50 yards wide last time I was there, and flowing fast,
especially if you catch the spring run-off. Above Hinton it is mostly a
whitewater river. Between there and Ft. MacMurray one can encounter
dozens of bears a day so nice to have such a boat. Wood Buffalo National
Park has the world's largest free-roaming herd of bison as well as the
summer nesting destination for the rare whooping crane.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_Buffalo_National_Park
Another option is heading down the Yukon River from the "marge of Lake
Labarge". This is much more a wilderness trip without going out onto the
barrens like the other option. Might even encounter the huge caribou
migration.
There is also supposed to be an "Alaskan Motor Sailor" in the
Yellowknife area but have never been able to locate the owner, nor hear
if it was ever built. Perhaps Susanne could enlighten us on that?
There is considerable barge traffic on the MacKenzie out of Yellowknife,
so a WW would seem to fit right in. The bow-board would be a necessity,
as well as a high-thrust outboard for control, along with a crew-member
to handle lines etc., as the current and wind combination could be a
challenge on either river. Advantages are the beaching ability of WW,
while at the same time being able to anchor out far enough to be out of
the mud and bugs. At the start one would be looking at about 16 hours or
more of daylight once the ice goes out and of course much more as one
goes north. So with a crew of say two couples alternating watches it
would be possible to accumulate some awesome daily runs.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "mason smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
>
> So, Nels, you are the namer of Whalewatcher! Your reasons are
fascinating. The MacKenzie River another place for the boat, what a
thought! I have just been Google-Earthing up there, Yellowknife and the
lake, for a novel I've just written in a rush in November (see
NaNoWriMo), and acquiring a new feel for the terrain. Well,
congratulations on winning the contest. I always have liked the name of
the design.
>
So, Nels, you are the namer of Whalewatcher! Your
reasons are fascinating. The MacKenzie River another place for the boat, what a
thought! I have just been Google-Earthing up there, Yellowknife and the lake,
for a novel I've just written in a rush in November (see NaNoWriMo), and
acquiring a new feel for the terrain. Well, congratulations on winning the
contest. I always have liked the name of the
design.
This is another fascinating coincidence for me,
Harry, because I was just looking at the photos of a famous Gold Rush
photographer online, and was amazed to see these tent communities along the lake
where a boat is being built beside every tent. What a boatbuilding scene that
was! I'd never known that the miners got to Dawson by water. I'll have to send
you a copy of my little November novel,Far Alaska, in which my central
character, an old man who thinks he has "done the worse a man can do" back East
and therefore unfit for unfit to live among civilized people, hits for the
territories. He steals a coupled horses on the way, and then sees
these pictures in a museum in Whitehorse and is shocked to discover
that horses had no part in the Gold Rush. He's a horse-oriented fella, not
like us, and had associated the gold Rush with the Wild West. think he'll
find work for his team on the Trans Alaska Pipeline? It's 1972 or so.
----- Original Message -----From:Harry JamesSent:Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:09 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: still need whale watcher infoYou can get on the Yukon in the Whitehorse area. Once below Dawson the
next time a road hits the river is at Eagle and then another long way to
a road. You could haul a boat up to Lake Bennett right across the
summit from Skagway but you would have to Portage around the dam at
Whitehorse. Thats were all the stampeders started from and where we
delivered the boat we built for the movie "Klondike the quest for Gold".
It shows up on the history channel occasionally.
See bottom of the page
http://www.backwate r.org/Boats/ Klondike/ Transport/ Transport. htm
They got that boat to Dawson, could have gone all the way to Nome.
HJ
prairiedog2332 wrote:
> The rapids are not that big a deal. They are mostly created by the river
> narrowing or going around islands so they are mostly standing waves,
> with lots of water depth underneath. Motor in reverse to keep the stern
> aligned with the bow. Or a big yuloh or sweep. Would be great fun and
> looked forward to.
>
> The Dempster highway into Inuvik links to the Alcan highway and points
> south.
>
>http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Inuvik
>
> No roads beyond Fairbanks AK on the Yukon I don't think.
>
> So one would have to inveigle some friends to drive up there with your
> boat trailer and tow vehicle. Otherwise you would have to try to sell
> the boat and fly back home. But people there know that it would be a
> buyers market for them, so good luck with getting anything near what it
> would be worth. Once you made that trip, I don't think you would be too
> interested in going back upstream again.
>
> Micro I think would be too small to carry enough supplies and fuel and a
> lot slower. But no doubt if it can be canoed it could work. I just think
> that WW would be a really good choice in my view.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, "mason smith" <goodboat@.. .> wrote:
>
>> It sounds very doable in one direction. Do you see WW taking the
>>
> rapids with ease?How about the other way, back to YK? How would a Micro
> do, with its ballast keel? No deal?
>
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I would like to share what went through my thoughts when I offered the
name "Whalewatcher" to Bernie and his naming contest.
I was quite interested in the Orca pods that were going back and forth
through Johnstone Strait in the BC area and the interest in viewing them
back then - usually from big sight-seeing motor launches - which to me
created a disturbance for the whales. Whalewatcher seemed to me to be a
much more eco-friendly alternative - and still do to this day.
I had also read a book about a couple who canoed the MacKenzie River
from Yellowknife NWT to the Arctic Ocean and the trials and tribulations
they experienced with fast currents, huge bug problems exposure to the
vagaries of the weather and large lakes in those latitudes. And the
great wildlife viewing. To me this design was an ideal solution with
it's sheltered cabin and both sailing and motoring ability, carrying
enough fuel and supplies etc. So my second choice was "Moosewatcher". I
still think it would be an ideal design to do that trip!
I also had received earlier a set of study plans at the time for $1.50
if I recall, along with my Micro plans, from Elrowe I think.
Nels
name "Whalewatcher" to Bernie and his naming contest.
I was quite interested in the Orca pods that were going back and forth
through Johnstone Strait in the BC area and the interest in viewing them
back then - usually from big sight-seeing motor launches - which to me
created a disturbance for the whales. Whalewatcher seemed to me to be a
much more eco-friendly alternative - and still do to this day.
I had also read a book about a couple who canoed the MacKenzie River
from Yellowknife NWT to the Arctic Ocean and the trials and tribulations
they experienced with fast currents, huge bug problems exposure to the
vagaries of the weather and large lakes in those latitudes. And the
great wildlife viewing. To me this design was an ideal solution with
it's sheltered cabin and both sailing and motoring ability, carrying
enough fuel and supplies etc. So my second choice was "Moosewatcher". I
still think it would be an ideal design to do that trip!
I also had received earlier a set of study plans at the time for $1.50
if I recall, along with my Micro plans, from Elrowe I think.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "marka97203" <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hah! That's the identicaal page, Graeme. But honstly, my gamble's on
any earlier version
> of Adirondack's boat having come to light.
>
>
> Mark
>
>
> > Well, well now... How I've got an earlier edition than your first
edition I'm not sure ;) ...a 1991 Winter-Spring glimpse of lines for BIG
BIRDWATHCHER prototype. That's three names early on by my count then.
Scan placed in WW Launch album:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/1369503063/pic/list
> >
> > Could'a perhaps been easy for a proto build to drop from awareness:
various names, demise of SBJ and CSD, etc.
> >
> > Graeme
> >
>
Hah! That's the identicaal page, Graeme. But honstly, my gamble's on any earlier version
of Adirondack's boat having come to light.
Mark
of Adirondack's boat having come to light.
Mark
> Well, well now... How I've got an earlier edition than your first edition I'm not sure ;) ...a 1991 Winter-Spring glimpse of lines for BIG BIRDWATHCHER prototype. That's three names early on by my count then. Scan placed in WW Launch album:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/1369503063/pic/list
>
> Could'a perhaps been easy for a proto build to drop from awareness: various names, demise of SBJ and CSD, etc.
>
> Graeme
>
Hah! That's the identicaal page, Graeme. But honstly, my gamble's on any earlier version
of Adirondack's boat having come to light.
Mark
of Adirondack's boat having come to light.
Mark
> Well, well now... How I've got an earlier edition than your first edition I'm not sure ;) ...a 1991 Winter-Spring glimpse of lines for BIG BIRDWATHCHER prototype. That's three names early on by my count then. Scan placed in WW Launch album:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/1369503063/pic/list
>
> Could'a perhaps been easy for a proto build to drop from awareness: various names, demise of SBJ and CSD, etc.
>
> Graeme
>
Why speculate on a proto build? The design was late
eighties, several years before these mentions in SBJ and before
the Whalewatcher name was invented and plans marketed by LaRowe. The
first (incomplete)build was undoubtedly the one for George Anger who
commissioned the design. I think the only question is whether any buyer of the
plans other than Tim Anderson actually built the boat. As it happens, I received
one set of those unused Whalewatcher plans with my Dovekie (now Hannes
Kuehtreiber's, in Austria), whose former owner had bought them and not built to
them.
----- Original Message -----From:graeme19121984Sent:Monday, November 30, 2009 9:48 AMSubject:[bolger] Re: still need whale watcher info
G'day Mark.
Well, well now... How I've got an earlier edition than your first edition I'm not sure ;) ...a 1991 Winter-Spring glimpse of lines for BIG BIRDWATHCHER prototype. That's three names early on by my count then. Scan placed in WW Launch album:http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/bolger/ photos/album/ 1369503063/ pic/list
Could'a perhaps been easy for a proto build to drop from awareness: various names, demise of SBJ and CSD, etc.
Graeme
~~~~___/) ~ ~
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@ ...> wrote:
>
> I've got the CSD catalog labeled 1st edition, first printing, August,
> 1992. Whalewatcher is in there as a prototype along with Long Micro,
> Superbrick and Idaho.
>
> The author's note in the The 1994 BWAOM Whalewatcher chapter mentions
> George Anger's demise but nothing on another one started.
>
> The boat Phil did specifically for LaRowe is Micro (chapter 44),
> which started his business. Somewhere in the ether is a compilation
> of the CSD newsletters. Volume 1, #1 may tell that story.
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > > I do wonder why I never heard of Elrow LaRowe having one built.
> > That it news. Is it true, anyone else heard of it?
> >
> > I have been halfway paying attention since about 1992. The only
> > Whalewatcher I have heard of is the George Anger project, finally
> > completed, with the wonderful sea trials personally attended by PCB.
> > I just looked in the Common Sense Catalog and there is no Whalewatcher
> > there that I could see.
> >
> > Besides the chapter in Boats with an Open Mind, the Whalewatcher was
> > written up in the Jan 1991 issue of Small Boat Journal, though it was
> > called the "Big and Tall Weekender".
> >
>
G'day Mark.
Well, well now... How I've got an earlier edition than your first edition I'm not sure ;) ...a 1991 Winter-Spring glimpse of lines for BIG BIRDWATHCHER prototype. That's three names early on by my count then. Scan placed in WW Launch album:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/1369503063/pic/list
Could'a perhaps been easy for a proto build to drop from awareness: various names, demise of SBJ and CSD, etc.
Graeme
~~~~___/) ~ ~
Well, well now... How I've got an earlier edition than your first edition I'm not sure ;) ...a 1991 Winter-Spring glimpse of lines for BIG BIRDWATHCHER prototype. That's three names early on by my count then. Scan placed in WW Launch album:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/1369503063/pic/list
Could'a perhaps been easy for a proto build to drop from awareness: various names, demise of SBJ and CSD, etc.
Graeme
~~~~___/) ~ ~
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
> I've got the CSD catalog labeled 1st edition, first printing, August,
> 1992. Whalewatcher is in there as a prototype along with Long Micro,
> Superbrick and Idaho.
>
> The author's note in the The 1994 BWAOM Whalewatcher chapter mentions
> George Anger's demise but nothing on another one started.
>
> The boat Phil did specifically for LaRowe is Micro (chapter 44),
> which started his business. Somewhere in the ether is a compilation
> of the CSD newsletters. Volume 1, #1 may tell that story.
>
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
>
> > > I do wonder why I never heard of Elrow LaRowe having one built.
> > That it news. Is it true, anyone else heard of it?
> >
> > I have been halfway paying attention since about 1992. The only
> > Whalewatcher I have heard of is the George Anger project, finally
> > completed, with the wonderful sea trials personally attended by PCB.
> > I just looked in the Common Sense Catalog and there is no Whalewatcher
> > there that I could see.
> >
> > Besides the chapter in Boats with an Open Mind, the Whalewatcher was
> > written up in the Jan 1991 issue of Small Boat Journal, though it was
> > called the "Big and Tall Weekender".
> >
>
Phil told me years ago that several sets of
Whalewatcher plans were sold but that no one had ever sent him photos or word of
a completed boat. He was not aware of the excellent WW hull that Tim Anderson
built in San Diego but decided not to finish. That's the one which I put
together with the spars, sails and trailer of the rotten Anger hull. Two
whalewatchers started, one finished incorporating both. That's it, unless
someone has new, real information.
----- Original Message -----From:Mark AlbaneseSent:Friday, November 27, 2009 6:46 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: still need whale watcher infoI've got the CSD catalog labeled 1st edition, first printing, August, 1992. Whalewatcher is in there as a prototype along with Long Micro, Superbrick and Idaho.
The author's note in the The 1994 BWAOM Whalewatcher chapter mentions George Anger's demise but nothing on another one started.The boat Phil did specifically for LaRowe is Micro (chapter 44), which started his business. Somewhere in the ether is a compilation of the CSD newsletters. Volume 1, #1 may tell that story.On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:> I do wonder why I never heard of Elrow LaRowe having one built. That it news. Is it true, anyone else heard of it?
I have been halfway paying attention since about 1992. The only
Whalewatcher I have heard of is the George Anger project, finally
completed, with the wonderful sea trials personally attended by PCB.
I just looked in the Common Sense Catalog and there is no Whalewatcher
there that I could see.
Besides the chapter in Boats with an Open Mind, the Whalewatcher was
written up in the Jan 1991 issue of Small Boat Journal, though it was
called the "Big and Tall Weekender".
I've got the CSD catalog labeled 1st edition, first printing, August, 1992. Whalewatcher is in there as a prototype along with Long Micro, Superbrick and Idaho.
The author's note in the The 1994 BWAOM Whalewatcher chapter mentions George Anger's demise but nothing on another one started.
The boat Phil did specifically for LaRowe is Micro (chapter 44), which started his business. Somewhere in the ether is a compilation of the CSD newsletters. Volume 1, #1 may tell that story.
On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:10 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
> I do wonder why I never heard of Elrow LaRowe having one built. That it news. Is it true, anyone else heard of it?
I have been halfway paying attention since about 1992. The only
Whalewatcher I have heard of is the George Anger project, finally
completed, with the wonderful sea trials personally attended by PCB.
I just looked in the Common Sense Catalog and there is no Whalewatcher
there that I could see.
Besides the chapter in Boats with an Open Mind, the Whalewatcher was
written up in the Jan 1991 issue of Small Boat Journal, though it was
called the "Big and Tall Weekender".
> I do wonder why I never heard of Elrow LaRowe having one built. That it news. Is it true, anyone else heard of it?I have been halfway paying attention since about 1992. The only
Whalewatcher I have heard of is the George Anger project, finally
completed, with the wonderful sea trials personally attended by PCB.
I just looked in the Common Sense Catalog and there is no Whalewatcher
there that I could see.
Besides the chapter in Boats with an Open Mind, the Whalewatcher was
written up in the Jan 1991 issue of Small Boat Journal, though it was
called the "Big and Tall Weekender".
Wilderness, there's been a fair amount of reportage
on this group about the Whalewatcher and there are several albums of photographs
on the Photo section. I'm hoping we may expect Susanne Altenberger to give
something to Messing About in Boats in the way of a write-up and photos from the
sea trials in Annapolis last April but let's be patient about that. You may call
it ugly but I think it has a look of its own that is interesting on sight and
grows on you especially when you understand it all and appreciate its extreme
comfort and convenience. And look at that wonderful rig! It is a sailer, too.
Some photos on my website, more on the group's.
I do wonder why I never heard of Elrow LaRowe
having one built. That it news. Is it true, anyone else heard of it? The boat
was designed for George Anger. Phil tells the story in BWOM. I acquired the hull
that was being built (very badly) for Anger when he died. It seems odd that Phil
never knew of this hull built for Elrow LR if that story is true. But I always
have thought it strange if no other hull was built than the two that came my way
and ended up in the finishedUtiliswe launched last spring.
----- Original Message -----From:Wilderness VoiceSent:Wednesday, November 25, 2009 5:37 PMSubject:[bolger] still need whale watcher infoWell Elroe who started Common Sense Designs had a Whalewatcher built for him, I remember it was for sale so that was the first one, but it is on the east coast somewhere. Would love to learn of the experience of any who have built or ridden in this boat. I think it is ugly as sin, but very practical for my purposes.
Bernie Wolfard took over from Elrow when Elrow wanted to will his
business to him after his stroke. Bernie changed the name to Common
Sense Designs.
I first heard about the "Big Birdwatcher" from Bernie when he had a name
contest for it and my entry won. Still have the t-shirt someplace along
with the Elrow photos mentioned earlier. Long time ago - the photos were
B&W!
Here is Bernie's side of the story... no mention of WW in it though.
<http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM2000/articles/bernie/index.htm>
I think PCB designed Idaho specifically for wheelchair access for
Bernie?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Wilderness Voice <thewildernessvoice@...>
wrote:
on the east coast somewhere. Would love to learn of the experience of
any who have built or ridden in this boat. I think it is ugly as sin,
but very practical for my purposes.
business to him after his stroke. Bernie changed the name to Common
Sense Designs.
I first heard about the "Big Birdwatcher" from Bernie when he had a name
contest for it and my entry won. Still have the t-shirt someplace along
with the Elrow photos mentioned earlier. Long time ago - the photos were
B&W!
Here is Bernie's side of the story... no mention of WW in it though.
<http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM2000/articles/bernie/index.htm>
I think PCB designed Idaho specifically for wheelchair access for
Bernie?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Wilderness Voice <thewildernessvoice@...>
wrote:
>for him, I remember it was for sale so that was the first one, but it is
> Well Elroe who started Common Sense Designs had a Whalewatcher built
on the east coast somewhere. Would love to learn of the experience of
any who have built or ridden in this boat. I think it is ugly as sin,
but very practical for my purposes.
>
That is the boat referred to in the post fromwww.adirondackgoodboat.com
Wilderness Voice wrote:
Wilderness Voice wrote:
Well Elroe who started Common Sense Designs had a Whalewatcher built for him,
Well Elroe who started Common Sense Designs had a Whalewatcher built for him, I remember it was for sale so that was the first one, but it is on the east coast somewhere. Would love to learn of the experience of any who have built or ridden in this boat. I think it is ugly as sin, but very practical for my purposes.