Re: Phil Bolgers books

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>
> Doug,
> Thanks, I'll go have a look. I did a web search yesterday and wasn't
> served up with any delightful photos. I think I just didn't stick
> with it long enough. Have a fine week.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
> On 15 Dec, 2009, at 1:08 PM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
>
> > Sorry, meant to say posted Wolftrap pictures to the Bolger cartoon
> > group. Doug
> >
> > Douglas Pollard wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > doc, Below is a link to a guy in Alska that is building some barges.
> > > If you haven't seen it it is pretty interesting. I think they
> > evolved
> > > from the AS 29 or 39. Speaking of keel boats my first bad experience
> > > there was a Coronado 23 that after reaching rudder stall speed
> > headed
> > > for a several ton buoy with me at the helm. I didn't know what the
> > heck
> > > to do, I had never seen such a thing. We luckily missed the buoy by
> > > several inches. The boat my friends was brand new and we were
> > taking it
> > > to his boats slip for the first time. Needless to say this
> > experience
> > > left a really bad taste in my mouth where factory boats were
> > concerned.
> > > I posted some in the Bolger cartoon group I think they are still
> > > there.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >http://www.triloboats.com/order.html
> > > <http://www.triloboats.com/order.html>
> > >
> > > the doctor wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've always wanted to duplicate one of the Gulf coast and south
> > east
> > > > coast 'coasters' of the 1800's....Actually they were mostly barges
> > > > with lee boards and a ton of sail. They could carry tons of
> > cargo, or
> > > > superstructure, they were reasonably fast and could sail on real
> > wet
> > > > sea weed. I had a Columbia 28 or 27 ?? keel boat,,, I managed to
> > > > rearrange oyster beds all along the Texas coast !!
> > > >
> > > > ya'll behave now
> > > >
> > > > doc
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Tue, 12/15/09, etap28 /<dave.irland@...
> > > <mailto:dave.irland%40gmail.com>>/* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: etap28 <dave.irland@... <mailto:dave.irland%40gmail.com
> > >>
> > > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Phil Bolgers books
> > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:52 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I tried hard to get on board the deep draft, huge foretriangle
> > > > philosophy, and lived aboard a 28 footer from Europe for 5
> > > > summers. Other than being a great liveaboard, it was incredibly
> > > > discouraging to sail. crazy fast to windward, close reaching in
> > > > smooth water, but got progressively doggier the further off the
> > > > wind you got. I put new sails on that boat, tuned the rigging,
> > > > faired the keel, thought about a folding prop... time wasted. YOu
> > > > had to make a course correction, too, every couple of seconds...
> > > > Compared to my Skimmer which mostly self-steered (or even a Rhodes
> > > > 19) it was like a car with no camber in the front end. horrible. I
> > > > missed my skimmer every time I got stuck sleeping in a 10" swell
> > > > because I couldn't moor in a foot of water anymore. I used to
> > > > stare at the drawbridge, beyond which lay mirror smooth water and
> > > > no tourist boats and think about something like an AS29 with
> > > > folding masts....
> > > >
> > > > Anyhow, once a shoal draft sailor, always one I suppose
> > > >
> > > > Do you have an Wolftrap photos? Always liked that one
> > > >
> > > > And I have a few skimmer pictures that I could scan if I can find
> > > > them. Plenty of sitting/sprawling room. That nexus marine
> > > > gold-plated skimmer is well photographed as well for reference
> > > >
> > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> > >>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@ .> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap "
> > > > That
> > > > > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it
> > > > got to be
> > > > > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington
> > and
> > > > > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones
> > > > created by
> > > > > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like.
> > > > They call
> > > > > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which
> > > > according
> > > > > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay
> > > > work boat
> > > > > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I
> > > > know
> > > > > they work too.
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > etap28 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition
> > > > saturated
> > > > > > New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great
> > > > boat or
> > > > > > anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in
> > > > 10 inches
> > > > > > of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by
> > > > them on
> > > > > > a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their
> > 40
> > > > > > footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a
> > > > plywood
> > > > > > chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think
> > > > there's
> > > > > > anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when
> > > > those ideas
> > > > > > come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to
> > > > them...
> > > > > > though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His books are an excellent legacy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> > >>
> > > > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser
> > > > set. I came
> > > > > > > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty
> > > > widely and
> > > > > > > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and
> > > > Virginia and
> > > > > > > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and
> > > > cruising the
> > > > > > > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and
> > > > of an awful
> > > > > > > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some
> > > > of them ran
> > > > > > > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no
> > > > knowledge of
> > > > > > > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very
> > > > interested
> > > > > > in my
> > > > > > > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I
> > > > half expected
> > > > > > > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way
> > > > with that
> > > > > > > yacht club group.
> > > > > > > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their
> > > > interest because I
> > > > > > > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the
> > > > helm tied
> > > > > > > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling
> > > > with
> > > > > > > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams
> > > > had never
> > > > > > > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat
> > > > with trail
> > > > > > > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly
> > > > tensioned
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last
> > > > time we
> > > > > > got
> > > > > > > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square
> > > > boats,
> > > > > > > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot
> > > > of reading
> > > > > > > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > etap28 wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love
> > > > all of Mr.
> > > > > > > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment
> > > > they're
> > > > > > > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at
> > > > Palo d'Agua I
> > > > > > > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend,
> > > > Manhattan
> > > > > > > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan
> > > > Rivers-- picked
> > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She
> > > > read the
> > > > > > > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that
> > > > toweringly high
> > > > > > > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one
> > or two
> > > > > > seconds.
> > > > > > > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything
> > > > to do with
> > > > > > > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> > > > > > apparent to
> > > > > > > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have
> > other
> > > > > > > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds,
> > mainstream
> > > > > > > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they
> > > > see his
> > > > > > habits
> > > > > > > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry,
> > > > sprit booms,
> > > > > > > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > > >
> > > <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> > >>
> > > > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > > > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to
> > > > publish MR.
> > > > > > > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher
> > > > like LULU.
> > > > > > > > > Usually when books are published the first time the
> > > > Publisher
> > > > > > has first
> > > > > > > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author.
> > Since
> > > > > > those books
> > > > > > > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on
> > > > line for
> > > > > > $35.00 or
> > > > > > > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to
> > > > 30.00 each. The
> > > > > > > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher
> > > > who doesn't
> > > > > > > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for
> > years
> > > > > > being sold
> > > > > > > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and
> > > > friends to
> > > > > > > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and
> > > > selling. I
> > > > > > > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books
> > > > a month
> > > > > > so I
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on
> > > > several years
> > > > > > > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I
> > > > don't have to
> > > > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month
> > > > and may well
> > > > > > > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other
> > > > print on
> > > > > > demand
> > > > > > > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for
> > > > the Author.
> > > > > > > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > > > > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices
> > used. As
> > > > > > > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of
> > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income
> > > > that would
> > > > > > > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as
> > > > a fan,
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different
> > > > boats which I
> > > > > > > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership
> > > > of these
> > > > > > books
> > > > > > > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans.
> > > > Bolgers regular
> > > > > > > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a
> > > > print on
> > > > > > > > demand
> > > > > > > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books
> > have
> > > > > > marketing
> > > > > > > > > value.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Tim are You related to Doctor Cleary that kept a sailboat at Ruarks
> > marina in Deltaville for a lot of years? I help the museum about the
> > year 2000 but we left shortly after and have not been back to it since
> > then so I really can't help you.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > tim_cleary_sc wrote:
> > >
> > > Doug,
> > > I'm planning on being in the Deltaville area in a couple of weeks and
> > > was wondering about visiting the Deltaville Maritime Museum. Have you
> > > been there and is it worthwhile? Do you know if it'll be open during
> > > January? Thanks.
> > > Tim C.
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> > > > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got
> > > to be
> > > > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > > > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones
> created by
> > > > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They
> > > call
> > > > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which
> > > according
> > > > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay
> work boat
> > > > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> > > > they work too.
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> Tim are You related to Doctor Cleary that kept a sailboat at Ruarks
> marina in Deltaville for a lot of years? I help the museum about the
> year 2000 but we left shortly after and have not been back to it since
> then so I really can't help you.
> Doug
>
>
>
> tim_cleary_sc wrote:
> >
> > Doug,
> > I'm planning on being in the Deltaville area in a couple of weeks and
> > was wondering about visiting the Deltaville Maritime Museum. Have you
> > been there and is it worthwhile? Do you know if it'll be open during
> > January? Thanks.
> > Tim C.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> > > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got
> > to be
> > > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> > > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They
> > call
> > > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which
> > according
> > > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> > > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> > > they work too.
> > > Doug
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "tim_cleary_sc" <saturntown@...> wrote:
>
> Doug,
> I'm planning on being in the Deltaville area in a couple of weeks and was wondering about visiting the Deltaville Maritime Museum. Have you been there and is it worthwhile? Do you know if it'll be open during January? Thanks.
> Tim C.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> >
> > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got to be
> > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They call
> > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which according
> > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> > they work too.
> > Doug
> >
>

>
> Doug,
> I'm planning on being in the Deltaville area in a couple of weeks and
> was wondering about visiting the Deltaville Maritime Museum. Have you
> been there and is it worthwhile? Do you know if it'll be open during
> January? Thanks.
> Tim C.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got
> to be
> > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They
> call
> > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which
> according
> > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> > they work too.
> > Doug
> >
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got to be
> funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They call
> going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which according
> to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> they work too.
> Doug
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Pierce Nichols <rocketgeek@...> wrote:
>
> AIUI, that's a general truth about well-designed yawl rigs.
>
> I passed up that Skimmer that was for sale in Morro Bay a couple of years
> back... and I feel like kicking myself for that every now and again.
>
> -p
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> > >course correction, too, every couple of seconds... Compared to my Skimmer
> > which mostly self-steered
> >
> >
> > Basically, I think, you are describing the advantage of the Cat-Yawl
> > sailing rig. The balancing effect of the mizzen sail gives an ease
> > and stability.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
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>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Was your ETAP-28 built to their unsinkability approach ? Ever tested ?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: etap28
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:52 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Phil Bolgers books
>
>
>
> I tried hard to get on board the deep draft, huge foretriangle philosophy, and lived aboard a 28 footer from Europe for 5 summers. Other than being a great liveaboard, it was incredibly discouraging to sail. crazy fast to windward, close reaching in smooth water, but got progressively doggier the further off the wind you got. I put new sails on that boat, tuned the rigging, faired the keel, thought about a folding prop... time wasted. YOu had to make a course correction, too, every couple of seconds... Compared to my Skimmer which mostly self-steered (or even a Rhodes 19) it was like a car with no camber in the front end. horrible. I missed my skimmer every time I got stuck sleeping in a 10" swell because I couldn't moor in a foot of water anymore. I used to stare at the drawbridge, beyond which lay mirror smooth water and no tourist boats and think about something like an AS29 with folding masts....
>
> Anyhow, once a shoal draft sailor, always one I suppose
>
> Do you have an Wolftrap photos? Always liked that one
>
> And I have a few skimmer pictures that I could scan if I can find them. Plenty of sitting/sprawling room. That nexus marine gold-plated skimmer is well photographed as well for reference
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> >
> > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got to be
> > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They call
> > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which according
> > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> > they work too.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > etap28 wrote:
> > >
> > > My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition saturated
> > > New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great boat or
> > > anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in 10 inches
> > > of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by them on
> > > a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their 40
> > > footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a plywood
> > > chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think there's
> > > anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when those ideas
> > > come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to them...
> > > though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
> > >
> > > His books are an excellent legacy
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser set. I came
> > > > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty widely and
> > > > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and Virginia and
> > > > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and cruising the
> > > > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and of an awful
> > > > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some of them ran
> > > > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no knowledge of
> > > > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very interested
> > > in my
> > > > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I half expected
> > > > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way with that
> > > > yacht club group.
> > > > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their interest because I
> > > > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the helm tied
> > > > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling with
> > > > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams had never
> > > > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat with trail
> > > > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly tensioned
> > > and
> > > > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last time we
> > > got
> > > > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square boats,
> > > > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot of reading
> > > > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > etap28 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love all of Mr.
> > > > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment they're
> > > > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at Palo d'Agua I
> > > > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend, Manhattan
> > > > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked
> > > one
> > > > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the
> > > > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high
> > > > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two
> > > seconds.
> > > > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with
> > > > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> > > apparent to
> > > > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > > > >
> > > > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > > > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > > > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they see his
> > > habits
> > > > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry, sprit booms,
> > > > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > > > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > > > > > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher
> > > has first
> > > > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since
> > > those books
> > > > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for
> > > $35.00 or
> > > > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > > > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > > > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years
> > > being sold
> > > > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > > > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > > > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month
> > > so I
> > > > > get
> > > > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > > > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> > > > > touch
> > > > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > > > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on
> > > demand
> > > > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > > > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > > > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > > > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan,
> > > would
> > > > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > > > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these
> > > books
> > > > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > > > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> > > > > demand
> > > > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have
> > > marketing
> > > > > > value.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

On 15 Dec, 2009, at 3:40 PM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

>
> I guess who built Wolftrap depends on who you talk to. Mine and my
> partners machine shop had the best Welder in town and we were running
> short on work for him. I suggested that we build a sailboat maybe
> one a
> year as fill in work. All agreed. I went to Mr. bolger and told him I
> liked Moccasin I believe the name was and would like to build a
> similar
> boat out of aluminum as that was the material we could work with
> best. I
> had owned a Sam Crocker 30 1/2 ft. raised deck ketch and liked the
> inside room of a raised deck. After some back and forth arguing
> between
> him and I we came to an agreement and he designed her. By the way he
> won
> most of the arguments he has a hard logic and it's hard to argue with.
> But there was one I could not abide with and that was an off center
> mizzen after about a week he came up with an excellent solution to put
> the mast on center and bring the tiller up through the transom and
> under
> the mast worked out great. I lofted her and the shops apprentice boys
> and I when we had time cut out a lot of her and our welder put her
> together. My partner who has painted several airplanes painted her
> with
> Emron. My wife a seamstress made all the cushions. When my wife and I
> decided to go spend a couple years in the Bahamas I wanted a split
> rig.
> I am only 5'7" and was about 140 lbs and I felt the big main might
> cause
> me a problem at sea so we went radical and made a schooner out of her.
> Using the same center of effort Mr. Bolger used for the original rig
> she
> handled beautifully but was a little slower. I used the flat spinnaker
> that is set forward in the pictures for a mizzenstaysail that I could
> easily handle from the cockpit. At 6000 lbs. she was carrying 800
> square
> feet of sail off the wind and was a screamer downwind with no handling
> vices what so ever. I have owned several boat and sailed on a lot
> more I
> don't hesitate to say she was the finest boat I ever sailed on. She is
> now owned By a Marine Biologist that works for Virginia marine
> institute
> and is much loved by him and his family. We sold her because we could
> not stand up in her and wanted to continue to live aboard for a lot
> more
> years. Fourteen years in all. Doug
> Gene Tehansky wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>> Ok, I feel bad just now looking at your photos of Wolf Trap in the
>> Cartoons group and re-asking old questions but.... Is this referenced
>> in one of Phil's books? Who built the boat? Is that a big smile on
>> the guy hanging over the side of the boat? What years was this boat
>> around? It is truly a beautiful boat.
>>
>> My activity on the web today is only between colors and brush and
>> roller cleaning in the bathroom. The boats are so much more
>> interesting... The painting has the ballast issue beat by a narrow
>> margin though!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Gene T.
>>

>
> Doug,
> Ok, I feel bad just now looking at your photos of Wolf Trap in the
> Cartoons group and re-asking old questions but.... Is this referenced
> in one of Phil's books? Who built the boat? Is that a big smile on
> the guy hanging over the side of the boat? What years was this boat
> around? It is truly a beautiful boat.
>
> My activity on the web today is only between colors and brush and
> roller cleaning in the bathroom. The boats are so much more
> interesting... The painting has the ballast issue beat by a narrow
> margin though!
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
>

>
>
> doc, Below is a link to a guy in Alska that is building some barges.
> If you haven't seen it it is pretty interesting. I think they evolved
> from the AS 29 or 39. Speaking of keel boats my first bad experience
> there was a Coronado 23 that after reaching rudder stall speed headed
> for a several ton buoy with me at the helm. I didn't know what the heck
> to do, I had never seen such a thing. We luckily missed the buoy by
> several inches. The boat my friends was brand new and we were taking it
> to his boats slip for the first time. Needless to say this experience
> left a really bad taste in my mouth where factory boats were concerned.
> I posted some in the Bolger cartoon group I think they are still
> there.
>
> Doug
>
>http://www.triloboats.com/order.html
> <http://www.triloboats.com/order.html>
>
> the doctor wrote:
> >
> >
> > I've always wanted to duplicate one of the Gulf coast and south east
> > coast 'coasters' of the 1800's....Actually they were mostly barges
> > with lee boards and a ton of sail. They could carry tons of cargo, or
> > superstructure, they were reasonably fast and could sail on real wet
> > sea weed. I had a Columbia 28 or 27 ?? keel boat,,, I managed to
> > rearrange oyster beds all along the Texas coast !!
> >
> > ya'll behave now
> >
> > doc
> >
> > --- On *Tue, 12/15/09, etap28 /<dave.irland@...
> <mailto:dave.irland%40gmail.com>>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: etap28 <dave.irland@...<mailto:dave.irland%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Phil Bolgers books
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:52 AM
> >
> >
> > I tried hard to get on board the deep draft, huge foretriangle
> > philosophy, and lived aboard a 28 footer from Europe for 5
> > summers. Other than being a great liveaboard, it was incredibly
> > discouraging to sail. crazy fast to windward, close reaching in
> > smooth water, but got progressively doggier the further off the
> > wind you got. I put new sails on that boat, tuned the rigging,
> > faired the keel, thought about a folding prop... time wasted. YOu
> > had to make a course correction, too, every couple of seconds...
> > Compared to my Skimmer which mostly self-steered (or even a Rhodes
> > 19) it was like a car with no camber in the front end. horrible. I
> > missed my skimmer every time I got stuck sleeping in a 10" swell
> > because I couldn't moor in a foot of water anymore. I used to
> > stare at the drawbridge, beyond which lay mirror smooth water and
> > no tourist boats and think about something like an AS29 with
> > folding masts....
> >
> > Anyhow, once a shoal draft sailor, always one I suppose
> >
> > Do you have an Wolftrap photos? Always liked that one
> >
> > And I have a few skimmer pictures that I could scan if I can find
> > them. Plenty of sitting/sprawling room. That nexus marine
> > gold-plated skimmer is well photographed as well for reference
> >
> > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> >
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com>>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@.. .> wrote:
> > >
> > > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap "
> > That
> > > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it
> > got to be
> > > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones
> > created by
> > > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like.
> > They call
> > > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which
> > according
> > > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay
> > work boat
> > > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I
> > know
> > > they work too.
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > etap28 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition
> > saturated
> > > > New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great
> > boat or
> > > > anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in
> > 10 inches
> > > > of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by
> > them on
> > > > a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their 40
> > > > footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a
> > plywood
> > > > chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think
> > there's
> > > > anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when
> > those ideas
> > > > come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to
> > them...
> > > > though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
> > > >
> > > > His books are an excellent legacy
> > > >
> > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> >
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser
> > set. I came
> > > > > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty
> > widely and
> > > > > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and
> > Virginia and
> > > > > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and
> > cruising the
> > > > > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and
> > of an awful
> > > > > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some
> > of them ran
> > > > > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no
> > knowledge of
> > > > > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very
> > interested
> > > > in my
> > > > > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I
> > half expected
> > > > > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way
> > with that
> > > > > yacht club group.
> > > > > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their
> > interest because I
> > > > > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the
> > helm tied
> > > > > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling
> > with
> > > > > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams
> > had never
> > > > > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat
> > with trail
> > > > > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly
> > tensioned
> > > > and
> > > > > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last
> > time we
> > > > got
> > > > > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square
> > boats,
> > > > > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot
> > of reading
> > > > > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > > etap28 wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love
> > all of Mr.
> > > > > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment
> > they're
> > > > > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at
> > Palo d'Agua I
> > > > > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend,
> > Manhattan
> > > > > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan
> > Rivers-- picked
> > > > one
> > > > > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She
> > read the
> > > > > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that
> > toweringly high
> > > > > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two
> > > > seconds.
> > > > > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything
> > to do with
> > > > > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> > > > apparent to
> > > > > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > > > > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > > > > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they
> > see his
> > > > habits
> > > > > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry,
> > sprit booms,
> > > > > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> >
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to
> > publish MR.
> > > > > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher
> > like LULU.
> > > > > > > Usually when books are published the first time the
> > Publisher
> > > > has first
> > > > > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since
> > > > those books
> > > > > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on
> > line for
> > > > $35.00 or
> > > > > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to
> > 30.00 each. The
> > > > > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher
> > who doesn't
> > > > > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years
> > > > being sold
> > > > > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and
> > friends to
> > > > > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and
> > selling. I
> > > > > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books
> > a month
> > > > so I
> > > > > > get
> > > > > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on
> > several years
> > > > > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I
> > don't have to
> > > > > > touch
> > > > > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month
> > and may well
> > > > > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other
> > print on
> > > > demand
> > > > > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for
> > the Author.
> > > > > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > > > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of
> > this.
> > > > > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income
> > that would
> > > > > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as
> > a fan,
> > > > would
> > > > > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different
> > boats which I
> > > > > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership
> > of these
> > > > books
> > > > > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans.
> > Bolgers regular
> > > > > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a
> > print on
> > > > > > demand
> > > > > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have
> > > > marketing
> > > > > > > value.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

>
>
> I've always wanted to duplicate one of the Gulf coast and south east
> coast 'coasters' of the 1800's....Actually they were mostly barges
> with lee boards and a ton of sail. They could carry tons of cargo, or
> superstructure, they were reasonably fast and could sail on real wet
> sea weed. I had a Columbia 28 or 27 ?? keel boat,,, I managed to
> rearrange oyster beds all along the Texas coast !!
>
> ya'll behave now
>
> doc
>
> --- On *Tue, 12/15/09, etap28 /<dave.irland@...>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: etap28 <dave.irland@...>
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Phil Bolgers books
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 8:52 AM
>
>
> I tried hard to get on board the deep draft, huge foretriangle
> philosophy, and lived aboard a 28 footer from Europe for 5
> summers. Other than being a great liveaboard, it was incredibly
> discouraging to sail. crazy fast to windward, close reaching in
> smooth water, but got progressively doggier the further off the
> wind you got. I put new sails on that boat, tuned the rigging,
> faired the keel, thought about a folding prop... time wasted. YOu
> had to make a course correction, too, every couple of seconds...
> Compared to my Skimmer which mostly self-steered (or even a Rhodes
> 19) it was like a car with no camber in the front end. horrible. I
> missed my skimmer every time I got stuck sleeping in a 10" swell
> because I couldn't moor in a foot of water anymore. I used to
> stare at the drawbridge, beyond which lay mirror smooth water and
> no tourist boats and think about something like an AS29 with
> folding masts....
>
> Anyhow, once a shoal draft sailor, always one I suppose
>
> Do you have an Wolftrap photos? Always liked that one
>
> And I have a few skimmer pictures that I could scan if I can find
> them. Plenty of sitting/sprawling room. That nexus marine
> gold-plated skimmer is well photographed as well for reference
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@.. .> wrote:
> >
> > The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap "
> That
> > funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it
> got to be
> > funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> > Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones
> created by
> > the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like.
> They call
> > going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which
> according
> > to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay
> work boat
> > traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I
> know
> > they work too.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> >
> > etap28 wrote:
> > >
> > > My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition
> saturated
> > > New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great
> boat or
> > > anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in
> 10 inches
> > > of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by
> them on
> > > a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their 40
> > > footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a
> plywood
> > > chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think
> there's
> > > anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when
> those ideas
> > > come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to
> them...
> > > though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
> > >
> > > His books are an excellent legacy
> > >
> > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser
> set. I came
> > > > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty
> widely and
> > > > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and
> Virginia and
> > > > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and
> cruising the
> > > > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and
> of an awful
> > > > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some
> of them ran
> > > > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no
> knowledge of
> > > > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very
> interested
> > > in my
> > > > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I
> half expected
> > > > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way
> with that
> > > > yacht club group.
> > > > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their
> interest because I
> > > > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the
> helm tied
> > > > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling
> with
> > > > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams
> had never
> > > > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat
> with trail
> > > > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly
> tensioned
> > > and
> > > > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last
> time we
> > > got
> > > > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square
> boats,
> > > > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot
> of reading
> > > > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > etap28 wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love
> all of Mr.
> > > > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment
> they're
> > > > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at
> Palo d'Agua I
> > > > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend,
> Manhattan
> > > > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan
> Rivers-- picked
> > > one
> > > > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She
> read the
> > > > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that
> toweringly high
> > > > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two
> > > seconds.
> > > > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything
> to do with
> > > > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> > > apparent to
> > > > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > > > >
> > > > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > > > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > > > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they
> see his
> > > habits
> > > > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry,
> sprit booms,
> > > > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In bolger@yahoogroups. com
> <http://us.mc521.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to
> publish MR.
> > > > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher
> like LULU.
> > > > > > Usually when books are published the first time the
> Publisher
> > > has first
> > > > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since
> > > those books
> > > > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on
> line for
> > > $35.00 or
> > > > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to
> 30.00 each. The
> > > > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher
> who doesn't
> > > > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years
> > > being sold
> > > > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and
> friends to
> > > > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and
> selling. I
> > > > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books
> a month
> > > so I
> > > > > get
> > > > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on
> several years
> > > > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I
> don't have to
> > > > > touch
> > > > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month
> and may well
> > > > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other
> print on
> > > demand
> > > > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for
> the Author.
> > > > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of
> this.
> > > > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income
> that would
> > > > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as
> a fan,
> > > would
> > > > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different
> boats which I
> > > > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership
> of these
> > > books
> > > > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans.
> Bolgers regular
> > > > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a
> print on
> > > > > demand
> > > > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have
> > > marketing
> > > > > > value.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

>course correction, too, every couple of seconds... Compared to my Skimmer which mostly self-steered

----- Original Message -----

From:etap28

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Tuesday, December 15, 2009 9:52 AM

Subject:[bolger] Re: Phil Bolgers books

 

I tried hard to get on board the deep draft, huge foretriangle philosophy, and lived aboard a 28 footer from Europe for 5 summers. Other than being a great liveaboard, it was incredibly discouraging to sail. crazy fast to windward, close reaching in smooth water, but got progressively doggier the further off the wind you got. I put new sails on that boat, tuned the rigging, faired the keel, thought about a folding prop... time wasted. YOu had to make a course correction, too, every couple of seconds... Compared to my Skimmer which mostly self-steered (or even a Rhodes 19) it was like a car with no camber in the front end. horrible. I missed my skimmer every time I got stuck sleeping in a 10" swell because I couldn't moor in a foot of water anymore. I used to stare at the drawbridge, beyond which lay mirror smooth water and no tourist boats and think about something like an AS29 with folding masts....

Anyhow, once a shoal draft sailor, always one I suppose

Do you have an Wolftrap photos? Always liked that one

And I have a few skimmer pictures that I could scan if I can find them. Plenty of sitting/sprawling room. That nexus marine gold-plated skimmer is well photographed as well for reference

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@.. .> wrote:
>
> The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got to be
> funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They call
> going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which according
> to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> they work too.
> Doug
>
>
>
> etap28 wrote:
> >
> > My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition saturated
> > New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great boat or
> > anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in 10 inches
> > of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by them on
> > a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their 40
> > footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a plywood
> > chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think there's
> > anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when those ideas
> > come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to them...
> > though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
> >
> > His books are an excellent legacy
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com<mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser set. I came
> > > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty widely and
> > > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and Virginia and
> > > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and cruising the
> > > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and of an awful
> > > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some of them ran
> > > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no knowledge of
> > > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very interested
> > in my
> > > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I half expected
> > > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way with that
> > > yacht club group.
> > > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their interest because I
> > > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the helm tied
> > > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling with
> > > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams had never
> > > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat with trail
> > > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly tensioned
> > and
> > > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last time we
> > got
> > > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square boats,
> > > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot of reading
> > > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > etap28 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love all of Mr.
> > > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment they're
> > > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at Palo d'Agua I
> > > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend, Manhattan
> > > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked
> > one
> > > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the
> > > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high
> > > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two
> > seconds.
> > > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with
> > > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> > apparent to
> > > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > > >
> > > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they see his
> > habits
> > > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry, sprit booms,
> > > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com<mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>
> > <mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > > > > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher
> > has first
> > > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since
> > those books
> > > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for
> > $35.00 or
> > > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years
> > being sold
> > > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month
> > so I
> > > > get
> > > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> > > > touch
> > > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on
> > demand
> > > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan,
> > would
> > > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these
> > books
> > > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> > > > demand
> > > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have
> > marketing
> > > > > value.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> The yacht club set in Deltaville Va.called my Bolger Wolftrap " That
> funny looking fast boat". It irritated me for a while until it got to be
> funny. Most of the sailors in Deltaville come from Washington and
> Richmond Va. They have no boat tradition other than the ones created by
> the recent racer cruisers and small river skiffs and the like. They call
> going to the Chesapeake bay to sail, going to the river, which according
> to some may be valid? I personally have strong Chesapeake bay work boat
> traditions. Deep draft keel boats seem strange to me, and yet I know
> they work too.
> Doug
>
>
>
> etap28 wrote:
> >
> > My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition saturated
> > New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great boat or
> > anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in 10 inches
> > of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by them on
> > a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their 40
> > footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a plywood
> > chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think there's
> > anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when those ideas
> > come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to them...
> > though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
> >
> > His books are an excellent legacy
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser set. I came
> > > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty widely and
> > > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and Virginia and
> > > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and cruising the
> > > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and of an awful
> > > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some of them ran
> > > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no knowledge of
> > > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very interested
> > in my
> > > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I half expected
> > > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way with that
> > > yacht club group.
> > > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their interest because I
> > > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the helm tied
> > > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling with
> > > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams had never
> > > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat with trail
> > > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly tensioned
> > and
> > > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last time we
> > got
> > > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square boats,
> > > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot of reading
> > > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > etap28 wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love all of Mr.
> > > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment they're
> > > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at Palo d'Agua I
> > > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend, Manhattan
> > > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked
> > one
> > > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the
> > > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high
> > > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two
> > seconds.
> > > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with
> > > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> > apparent to
> > > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > > >
> > > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they see his
> > habits
> > > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry, sprit booms,
> > > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > > > > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher
> > has first
> > > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since
> > those books
> > > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for
> > $35.00 or
> > > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years
> > being sold
> > > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month
> > so I
> > > > get
> > > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> > > > touch
> > > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on
> > demand
> > > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan,
> > would
> > > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these
> > books
> > > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> > > > demand
> > > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have
> > marketing
> > > > > value.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

>
> My skimmer opened a lot of eyes where I lived in tradition saturated
> New England . . . not that they'll ever admit it was a great boat or
> anything. But nobody could ignore it sitting there moored in 10 inches
> of pristine saltpond water, for free. Or how it would slip by them on
> a downwind leg like they were dragging a sea-anchor in their 40
> footers. I know a guy who's salty as all heck who sails past a plywood
> chebacco every day and professes to hate it.... I don't think there's
> anything more immovable than maritime prejudices. But when those ideas
> come out in mass-produced form, people tend to get used to them...
> though nobody would say, "Bolger did that in 1972"
>
> His books are an excellent legacy
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser set. I came
> > from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty widely and
> > Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and Virginia and
> > some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and cruising the
> > Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and of an awful
> > lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some of them ran
> > up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no knowledge of
> > spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very interested
> in my
> > boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I half expected
> > to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way with that
> > yacht club group.
> > My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their interest because I
> > outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the helm tied
> > off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling with
> > spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams had never
> > concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat with trail
> > boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly tensioned
> and
> > tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last time we
> got
> > together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square boats,
> > sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot of reading
> > done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> > Doug
> >
> > etap28 wrote:
> > >
> > > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love all of Mr.
> > > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment they're
> > > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at Palo d'Agua I
> > > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend, Manhattan
> > > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked
> one
> > > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the
> > > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high
> > > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two
> seconds.
> > > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with
> > > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused,
> apparent to
> > > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> > >
> > > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they see his
> habits
> > > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry, sprit booms,
> > > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > > > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher
> has first
> > > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since
> those books
> > > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for
> $35.00 or
> > > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years
> being sold
> > > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month
> so I
> > > get
> > > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> > > touch
> > > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on
> demand
> > > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan,
> would
> > > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these
> books
> > > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> > > demand
> > > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have
> marketing
> > > > value.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> I have a lot of old sailing friends of the racer cruiser set. I came
> from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty widely and
> Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and Virginia and
> some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and cruising the
> Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and of an awful
> lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some of them ran
> up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no knowledge of
> spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very interested in my
> boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I half expected
> to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along way with that
> yacht club group.
> My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their interest because I
> outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the helm tied
> off single handing while they had to guys on deck struggling with
> spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams had never
> concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat with trail
> boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly tensioned and
> tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The last time we got
> together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of square boats,
> sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot of reading
> done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> Doug
>
> etap28 wrote:
> >
> > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love all of Mr.
> > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment they're
> > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at Palo d'Agua I
> > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend, Manhattan
> > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked one
> > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the
> > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high
> > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two seconds.
> > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with
> > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused, apparent to
> > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> >
> > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they see his habits
> > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry, sprit booms,
> > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher has first
> > > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since those books
> > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for $35.00 or
> > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years being sold
> > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month so I
> > get
> > > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> > touch
> > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on demand
> > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan, would
> > > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these books
> > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> > demand
> > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have marketing
> > > value.
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> >
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "etap28" <dave.irland@...> wrote:
>
> ...my girlfriend, Manhattan dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked one up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two seconds. Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused, apparent to anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."...

>
> I completely agree! Excellent suggestion. My wife has investigated
> "print on demand" publishing and LULU is the best choice. My only
> concern would be that the small detailed plans in Phil Bolger's books
> will be legible.
>
> I hope Susanne will look into this. I'd buy all his books accept BWAOM
> which I've read 4 or 5 times so far!
>
> Stephen
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher has first
> > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since those books
> > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for $35.00 or
> > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years being sold
> > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month so I
> get
> > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> touch
> > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on demand
> > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan, would
> > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these books
> > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> demand
> > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have marketing
> > value.
> >
> >
> > Doug
> >
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher has first
> publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since those books
> are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for $35.00 or
> $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years being sold
> on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month so I get
> a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to touch
> a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on demand
> sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan, would
> buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these books
> would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on demand
> on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have marketing
> value.
>
>
> Doug
>

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:

> From: Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Phil Bolgers books
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 6:19 PM
> I have a lot of old sailing friends
> of the racer cruiser set. I came
> from a work boating back ground myself. We are all pretty
> widely and
> Geographically separated now days all over Maryland and
> Virginia and
> some who are now living in Florida Living on Boats and
> cruising the
> Bahamas every winter. I am somewhat the instigator but and
> of an awful
> lot of interest that comes from the Florida clan. Also some
> of them ran
> up on little cruiser! Twenty years ago there would have no
> knowledge of
> spritbooms, unstayed masts and such. They are also very
> interested in my
> boat building which has come as a huge surprise to me. I
> half expected
> to be made fun of. So, yes Bolgers ideas Have come along
> way with that
> yacht club group.
> My Bolger's boat Wolftrap had a lot to do with their
> interest because I
> outran them often with her. Not only that I did it with the
> helm tied
> off single handing while they had to guys on deck
> struggling with
> spinnakers, drifters the like. They in their wildest dreams
> had never
> concidered that a crude( in their minds) hardchined boat
> with trail
> boards and no shrouds could stay with them in their highly
> tensioned and
> tuned thouroghbreds and even sometimes outrun them. The
> last time we got
> together last winter I was amased at their knowlge of
> square boats,
> sharpies, canoe yawls and even dory's. There has been a lot
> of reading
> done over the years, me thinks. :-)
> Doug
>
> etap28 wrote:
> >
> > I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously)
> love all of Mr.
> > Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the
> moment they're
> > stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking
> at Palo d'Agua I
> > think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my
> girlfriend, Manhattan
> > dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan
> Rivers-- picked one
> > up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind.
> She read the
> > intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that
> toweringly high
> > praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one
> or two seconds.
> > Her interest had nothing to do with the boats,
> everything to do with
> > the quality of the prose and the philosophies he
> espoused, apparent to
> > anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
> >
> > I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I
> have other
> > psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds,
> mainstream
> > fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when
> they see his habits
> > leeching into the mainstream (water ballast,
> asymmetry, sprit booms,
> > unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be
> able to publish MR.
> > > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand
> publisher like LULU.
> > > Usually when books are published the first time
> the Publisher has first
> > > publishing rights so second rights go the the
> author. Since those books
> > > are already classics they certainly ought to sell
> on line for $35.00 or
> > > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about
> $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > > volume likely would be too small for a regular
> publisher who doesn't
> > > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on
> for years being sold
> > > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger
> and friends to
> > > publish on line and all they do is the printing
> and selling. I
> > > published a fiction book there and it sells a few
> books a month so I
> > get
> > > a check several times a year and this has been
> gong on several years
> > > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the
> customer I don't have to
> > touch
> > > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a
> month and may well
> > > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are
> other print on demand
> > > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better
> deal for the Author.
> > > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the
> world.
> > > Some of his books are selling for very high
> prices used. As
> > > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing
> out of this.
> > > This could prove to be a nice source of steady
> income that would
> > > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and
> Friends. I as a fan, would
> > > buy all of them over a period of time except
> Different boats which I
> > > have. I would think that an and increase of
> readership of these books
> > > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans.
> Bolgers regular
> > > publisher may be willing to republish this way
> through a print on
> > demand
> > > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those
> books have marketing
> > > value.
> > >
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
> I have to jump in with an ancedcote... I (obviously) love all of Mr.
> Bolger's books, and have them all, actually at the moment they're
> stacked on the floor by my bed because I was looking at Palo d'Agua I
> think. (anybody ever built one?) Anyway--my girlfriend, Manhattan
> dweller for 18 years, who's about as boaty as Joan Rivers-- picked one
> up and was fascinated by it--Boats With An Open Mind. She read the
> intro, and maybe one of the chapters. I think that toweringly high
> praise. Boats, per se, make her eyes glaze over in one or two seconds.
> Her interest had nothing to do with the boats, everything to do with
> the quality of the prose and the philosophies he espoused, apparent to
> anybody with, apologies, "an open mind."
>
> I would love to see them sell slowly but surely. I have other
> psuedo-converts from J24 and racing backgrounds, mainstream
> fiberglass, come over to some of his thinking when they see his habits
> leeching into the mainstream (water ballast, asymmetry, sprit booms,
> unstayed rigs, cost effective power boats....)
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> > Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> > Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher has first
> > publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since those books
> > are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for $35.00 or
> > $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> > volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> > want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years being sold
> > on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> > publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> > published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month so I
> get
> > a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> > now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to
> touch
> > a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> > increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on demand
> > sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> > Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> > Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> > collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> > This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> > reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan, would
> > buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> > have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these books
> > would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> > publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on
> demand
> > on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have marketing
> > value.
> >
> >
> > Doug
> >
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> IT seems to me that Bolger and Friends should be able to publish MR.
> Bolgers Books on line using a print on demand publisher like LULU.
> Usually when books are published the first time the Publisher has first
> publishing rights so second rights go the the author. Since those books
> are already classics they certainly ought to sell on line for $35.00 or
> $40.00 a copy which lets B&F realize about $20.00 to 30.00 each. The
> volume likely would be too small for a regular publisher who doesn't
> want to ship one book at a time. This could go on for years being sold
> on maybe Google and Yahoo. Lulu will allow Bolger and friends to
> publish on line and all they do is the printing and selling. I
> published a fiction book there and it sells a few books a month so I get
> a check several times a year and this has been gong on several years
> now. Lulu sells the books directly to the customer I don't have to touch
> a thing. Mr Bolgers books might sell a 50 each a month and may well
> increase in in sales as time goes on. There are other print on demand
> sellers besides LULU and they may have a better deal for the Author.
> Lulu will print and sell on line all over the world.
> Some of his books are selling for very high prices used. As
> collectors items! Bolger and Friends gets nothing out of this.
> This could prove to be a nice source of steady income that would
> reqire no effort on the part of Bolger and Friends. I as a fan, would
> buy all of them over a period of time except Different boats which I
> have. I would think that an and increase of readership of these books
> would also pay off in the selling of boats plans. Bolgers regular
> publisher may be willing to republish this way through a print on demand
> on line publisher some publishers do this. Those books have marketing
> value.
>
>
> Doug
>