Re: New Member Saying Hi
Hi, Eric. The man that had it built had a friend that manufactured fiberglass boats. His crew laid up solid panels of fiberglass to form the sides and bottom. They used vinylester resin for blister protection. The plywood for the structural bulkheads was put into place and tabbed in. The settees are fiberglass over foam core material to keep the weight down. The galley is there, but I want to rework it and move the cook stove aft towards the hatch and the fridge forward. The sink will be between them. The cabin top is glassed in to the boat on the exterior but needs to be tabbed in on the inside. There are lots of things that need to be done, but most are time consuming but not expensive.
There are certain things that every boat needs to be a good live-aboard; a pantry, hanging locker, storage, etc. What I have is a great sailing hull that is extremely fun to cruise. What I'm doing is making it a comfortable/functional place to spend a lot of time based on having spent 18 months living with her. There are no "plans". Everything I plan on doing is based on what I've seen in other boats and what I've found to work for me over the years. I lay it out, and then I build it.
Right now the boat is full of construction stuff and parts removed to do the rework. Its hard to get better pictures until I get her cleaned out. Before I can clean her out, I need a place to store all the stuff. That's what I'm working on now; shop and storage. Its only been a couple of years since I moved ashore, so I'm kinda starting from scratch. I've had rough sawn wood stored for years waiting to have the space to put it to use. I'm almost ready to start.
I've traveled a lot and have finally found a place I want to stay, but I can't let the boat just die of neglect. I'm going to fix her up and sell her or I'm going to sell her as is, but either way, somebody is going to get a great boat for very little money.
Tom
There are certain things that every boat needs to be a good live-aboard; a pantry, hanging locker, storage, etc. What I have is a great sailing hull that is extremely fun to cruise. What I'm doing is making it a comfortable/functional place to spend a lot of time based on having spent 18 months living with her. There are no "plans". Everything I plan on doing is based on what I've seen in other boats and what I've found to work for me over the years. I lay it out, and then I build it.
Right now the boat is full of construction stuff and parts removed to do the rework. Its hard to get better pictures until I get her cleaned out. Before I can clean her out, I need a place to store all the stuff. That's what I'm working on now; shop and storage. Its only been a couple of years since I moved ashore, so I'm kinda starting from scratch. I've had rough sawn wood stored for years waiting to have the space to put it to use. I'm almost ready to start.
I've traveled a lot and have finally found a place I want to stay, but I can't let the boat just die of neglect. I'm going to fix her up and sell her or I'm going to sell her as is, but either way, somebody is going to get a great boat for very little money.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@...> wrote:
>
> I think you said fiberglass boat. Why? How? (Fiberglass over foam? plywood? Plywood form removed?)
>
> It is hard to see what is done and remains to be done on the interior from the couple of pictures, even for someone used to a project like this boat. Describe what has been done.
>
> Eric
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@> wrote:
> >
> > Well, I took some pics today and have them posted. So, if you want to see my project boat, go to photos and look at "Island Time".
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Once I figure out how to post them, I'll put a few pictures up so everyone can see what the boat looks like now. BTW, I think I told you wrong; the trailer is a '03 Loadmaster that has never been in the water.
> > >
> > > When were you in the Bahamas and Key West? We did that trip back in the Winter of '94-95 and were weathered in up at Marsh Harbor for a week. It was kinda funny to watch the anchorage traffic. There was a place that rented pirated movies for like a quarter. Every few hours, dinghies would criss-cross the harbor, in 40 knot winds, trading movies with their neighbors. We had a wind gen so we *had* to watch movies or stop the generator to keep from overcharging.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Foxtown is on the north end of Great Abbaco. We had been anchored at
> > > > the fish keys and a kid came buy in a runabout after going to see his
> > > > girlfriend and it was blowing. We called Foxtown on the radio and they
> > > > sent a boat over to pick him up but his boat kept going air born in the
> > > > 50 mile per hour norther that was blowing. the next day it had died down
> > > > and we towed his boat over to him.
> > > > I am thinking about your boat Tom, I have some other boats to look at
> > > > since I set up dates to see them on the 8th of Jan.. I'm sure I won't
> > > > make any decision until after Jan. 15.
> > > > I anchored west of Christmas tree one time and there were some families
> > > > building catamarans on the beach. Kinda neat as they were living in
> > > > tents while building. Thanks Doug
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from
> > > > > Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor
> > > > > to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown,
> > > > > Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and
> > > > > downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to
> > > > > work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West
> > > > > of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on
> > > > > the Key West side rolling.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your
> > > > > prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox
> > > > > Town
> > > > > > Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other
> > > > > boats
> > > > > > around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
> > > > > > repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
> > > > > > people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
> > > > > > I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
> > > > > > couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
> > > > > > 5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
> > > > > > $20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
> > > > > > want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
> > > > > > hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
> > > > > > that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still
> > > > > need
> > > > > > to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
> > > > > > The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I
> > > > > want to
> > > > > > do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
> > > > > > do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
> > > > > > with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
> > > > > > looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
> > > > > > When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
> > > > > > was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
> > > > > > luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
> > > > > > skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
> > > > > > of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and
> > > > > said,
> > > > > > You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
> > > > > > the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty
> > > > > dumb.
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> > > > > > > battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of
> > > > > each
> > > > > > > batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> > > > > > > didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as
> > > > > used
> > > > > > > for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down
> > > > > required
> > > > > > > keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> > > > > > > the lazy-jacks.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> > > > > > > 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> > > > > > > the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> > > > > > > especially fun to explore.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> > > > > > > getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to
> > > > > Oregon
> > > > > > > Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing
> > > > > dinghy.
> > > > > > > It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> > > > > > > water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> > > > > > > Shepherd) on board easy.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> > > > > > > situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> > > > > > > grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> > > > > > > below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> > > > > > > three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> > > > > > > stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> > > > > > > approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> > > > > > > winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> > > > > > > too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> > > > > > > the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> > > > > > > the keel was down.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> > > > > > > much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> > > > > > > don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> > > > > > > bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> > > > > > > easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> > > > > > > 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> > > > > > > with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> > > > > > > catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> > > > > > > remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> > > > > > > loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> > > > > > > stopped cruising.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I
> > > > > like
> > > > > > > > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > > > > > > > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > > > > > > > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > > > > > > > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> > > > > > > transom on
> > > > > > > > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > > > > > > > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their
> > > > > looks but
> > > > > > > > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended
> > > > > against them
> > > > > > > > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> > > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard
> > > > > cruising
> > > > > > > > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one
> > > > > to buy
> > > > > > > > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project
> > > > > at my
> > > > > > > age
> > > > > > > > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot
> > > > > of years
> > > > > > > > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your
> > > > > progress. We
> > > > > > > > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails;
> > > > > much
> > > > > > > > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > > > > > > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > > > > > > > darn it!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy
> > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it
> > > > > comes to
> > > > > > > > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > > > > > > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is
> > > > > just
> > > > > > > > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a
> > > > > noise
> > > > > > > > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be
> > > > > used to
> > > > > > > > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have
> > > > > thought
> > > > > > > > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would
> > > > > require
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would
> > > > > keep the
> > > > > > > > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > > > > > > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least.
> > > > > Almost
> > > > > > > > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > > > > > > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is
> > > > > shaped much
> > > > > > > > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> > > > > > > winds). I
> > > > > > > > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > > > > > > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main
> > > > > to stay
> > > > > > > > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > > > > > > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor.
> > > > > Much to
> > > > > > > > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> > > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > > > > > > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> > > > > > > schooners and
> > > > > > > > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> > > > > > > effort on
> > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had
> > > > > them. I
> > > > > > > moved
> > > > > > > > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some
> > > > > off the
> > > > > > > > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> > > > > > > the keel
> > > > > > > > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> > > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> > > > > > > steeped.
> > > > > > > > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far
> > > > > forward but I
> > > > > > > > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the
> > > > > end
> > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> > > > > > > bottom
> > > > > > > > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I
> > > > > extended the
> > > > > > > > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> > > > > > > lengthened
> > > > > > > > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> > > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300
> > > > > sq. ft
> > > > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley
> > > > > wobler. I
> > > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> > > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use
> > > > > a club
> > > > > > > > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> > > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> > > > > > > sail is
> > > > > > > > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard
> > > > > low the
> > > > > > > > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay.
> > > > > I had
> > > > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the
> > > > > center of
> > > > > > > > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> > > > > > > schooner.
> > > > > > > > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do
> > > > > the same
> > > > > > > > > > with the sloop.
> > > > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the
> > > > > rounding up
> > > > > > > > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well
> > > > > behaved. We
> > > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us
> > > > > regularly
> > > > > > > at 9+
> > > > > > > > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very
> > > > > impressed
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been
> > > > > full-keel
> > > > > > > > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> > > > > > > as the
> > > > > > > > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> > > > > > > skirt and
> > > > > > > > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > > > > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> > > > > > > boat from
> > > > > > > > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > > > > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of
> > > > > Bolger's
> > > > > > > ideas
> > > > > > > > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> > > > > > > there was
> > > > > > > > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> > > > > > > outboard to
> > > > > > > > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> > > > > > > the boat
> > > > > > > > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one
> > > > > of their
> > > > > > > > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let
> > > > > me sail
> > > > > > > > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had
> > > > > a young
> > > > > > > > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> > > > > > > needed to
> > > > > > > > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it.
> > > > > We hadn't
> > > > > > > > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for
> > > > > coastal
> > > > > > > > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a
> > > > > better boat.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I
> > > > > think it
> > > > > > > > > fits
> > > > > > > > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> > > > > > > pulpit
> > > > > > > > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the
> > > > > plumb bow
> > > > > > > > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> > > > > > > added the
> > > > > > > > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to
> > > > > the wind
> > > > > > > > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> > > > > > > degrees of
> > > > > > > > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that
> > > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living
> > > > > aboard,
> > > > > > > > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> > > > > > > original
> > > > > > > > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > > > > > > > require
> > > > > > > > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close
> > > > > to 500
> > > > > > > > > sqft,
> > > > > > > > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well
> > > > > in light
> > > > > > > > > airs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> > > > > > > center of
> > > > > > > > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> > > > > > > still be
> > > > > > > > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a
> > > > > wind-generator
> > > > > > > > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> > > > > > > person here
> > > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > > > > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> > > > > > > is pure
> > > > > > > > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > > > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett
> > > > > /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> > > > > > > jib? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig
> > > > > -- in
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> > > > > > > requiring
> > > > > > > > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would
> > > > > ensue.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> > > > > > > swing-keel,
> > > > > > > > > a full
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> > > > > > > it was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > a small
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > > > > > > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top
> > > > > out and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also
> > > > > insulated
> > > > > > > > > the hull
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and
> > > > > glassed
> > > > > > > > > over them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a
> > > > > divorce.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > > > > > > > around for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> > > > > > > past 25
> > > > > > > > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > > > > > > > professional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> > > > > > > corporate
> > > > > > > > > boats,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > > > > > > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> > > > > > > months of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> > > > > > > her as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> > > > > > > headsail for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the
> > > > > Atlantic
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > found
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get
> > > > > enough
> > > > > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> > > > > > > disconcerting.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> > > > > > > the main,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing
> > > > > factor
> > > > > > > > > along with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> > > > > > > love
> > > > > > > > > the way
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > > > > > > > layout and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> > > > > > > have and am
> > > > > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
I think you said fiberglass boat. Why? How? (Fiberglass over foam? plywood? Plywood form removed?)
It is hard to see what is done and remains to be done on the interior from the couple of pictures, even for someone used to a project like this boat. Describe what has been done.
Eric
It is hard to see what is done and remains to be done on the interior from the couple of pictures, even for someone used to a project like this boat. Describe what has been done.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@...> wrote:
>
> Well, I took some pics today and have them posted. So, if you want to see my project boat, go to photos and look at "Island Time".
>
> Tom
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@> wrote:
> >
> > Once I figure out how to post them, I'll put a few pictures up so everyone can see what the boat looks like now. BTW, I think I told you wrong; the trailer is a '03 Loadmaster that has never been in the water.
> >
> > When were you in the Bahamas and Key West? We did that trip back in the Winter of '94-95 and were weathered in up at Marsh Harbor for a week. It was kinda funny to watch the anchorage traffic. There was a place that rented pirated movies for like a quarter. Every few hours, dinghies would criss-cross the harbor, in 40 knot winds, trading movies with their neighbors. We had a wind gen so we *had* to watch movies or stop the generator to keep from overcharging.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Foxtown is on the north end of Great Abbaco. We had been anchored at
> > > the fish keys and a kid came buy in a runabout after going to see his
> > > girlfriend and it was blowing. We called Foxtown on the radio and they
> > > sent a boat over to pick him up but his boat kept going air born in the
> > > 50 mile per hour norther that was blowing. the next day it had died down
> > > and we towed his boat over to him.
> > > I am thinking about your boat Tom, I have some other boats to look at
> > > since I set up dates to see them on the 8th of Jan.. I'm sure I won't
> > > make any decision until after Jan. 15.
> > > I anchored west of Christmas tree one time and there were some families
> > > building catamarans on the beach. Kinda neat as they were living in
> > > tents while building. Thanks Doug
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from
> > > > Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor
> > > > to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown,
> > > > Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and
> > > > downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to
> > > > work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West
> > > > of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on
> > > > the Key West side rolling.
> > > >
> > > > If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your
> > > > prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox
> > > > Town
> > > > > Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other
> > > > boats
> > > > > around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
> > > > > repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
> > > > > people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on
> > > > the
> > > > > radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
> > > > > I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
> > > > > couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
> > > > > 5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
> > > > > $20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
> > > > > want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
> > > > > hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
> > > > > that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still
> > > > need
> > > > > to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
> > > > > The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I
> > > > want to
> > > > > do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
> > > > > do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
> > > > > with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
> > > > > looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
> > > > > When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
> > > > > was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
> > > > > luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
> > > > > skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
> > > > > of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and
> > > > said,
> > > > > You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
> > > > > the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty
> > > > dumb.
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> > > > > > battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of
> > > > each
> > > > > > batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> > > > > > didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as
> > > > used
> > > > > > for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down
> > > > required
> > > > > > keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> > > > > > the lazy-jacks.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> > > > > > 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> > > > > > the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> > > > > > especially fun to explore.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> > > > > > getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to
> > > > Oregon
> > > > > > Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing
> > > > dinghy.
> > > > > > It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> > > > > > water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> > > > > > Shepherd) on board easy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> > > > > > situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> > > > > > grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> > > > > > below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> > > > > > three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> > > > > > stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> > > > > > approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> > > > > > winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> > > > > > too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> > > > > > the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> > > > > > the keel was down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> > > > > > much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> > > > > > don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> > > > > > bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> > > > > > easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> > > > > > 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> > > > > > with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> > > > > > catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> > > > > > remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> > > > > > loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> > > > > > stopped cruising.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I
> > > > like
> > > > > > > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > > > > > > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > > > > > > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > > > > > > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> > > > > > transom on
> > > > > > > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess
> > > > you
> > > > > > saw
> > > > > > > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > > > > > > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their
> > > > looks but
> > > > > > > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended
> > > > against them
> > > > > > > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> > > > > > remember
> > > > > > > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I
> > > > think
> > > > > > > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard
> > > > cruising
> > > > > > > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one
> > > > to buy
> > > > > > > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project
> > > > at my
> > > > > > age
> > > > > > > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot
> > > > of years
> > > > > > > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your
> > > > progress. We
> > > > > > > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails;
> > > > much
> > > > > > > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > > > > > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > > > > > > darn it!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy
> > > > getting
> > > > > > > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it
> > > > comes to
> > > > > > > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > > > > > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is
> > > > just
> > > > > > > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a
> > > > noise
> > > > > > > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be
> > > > used to
> > > > > > > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have
> > > > thought
> > > > > > > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would
> > > > require
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would
> > > > keep the
> > > > > > > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > > > > > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least.
> > > > Almost
> > > > > > > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > > > > > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is
> > > > shaped much
> > > > > > > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> > > > > > winds). I
> > > > > > > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > > > > > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main
> > > > to stay
> > > > > > > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > > > > > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor.
> > > > Much to
> > > > > > > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> > > > > > down
> > > > > > > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > > > > > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> > > > > > schooners and
> > > > > > > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> > > > > > effort on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had
> > > > them. I
> > > > > > moved
> > > > > > > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some
> > > > off the
> > > > > > > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> > > > > > the keel
> > > > > > > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> > > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> > > > > > steeped.
> > > > > > > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far
> > > > forward but I
> > > > > > > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the
> > > > end
> > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> > > > > > bottom
> > > > > > > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I
> > > > extended the
> > > > > > > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> > > > > > lengthened
> > > > > > > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> > > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300
> > > > sq. ft
> > > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley
> > > > wobler. I
> > > > > > would
> > > > > > > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> > > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use
> > > > a club
> > > > > > > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> > > > > > sail is
> > > > > > > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard
> > > > low the
> > > > > > > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay.
> > > > I had
> > > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the
> > > > center of
> > > > > > > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> > > > > > schooner.
> > > > > > > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do
> > > > the same
> > > > > > > > > with the sloop.
> > > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the
> > > > rounding up
> > > > > > > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well
> > > > behaved. We
> > > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little
> > > > of the
> > > > > > > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us
> > > > regularly
> > > > > > at 9+
> > > > > > > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very
> > > > impressed
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been
> > > > full-keel
> > > > > > > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> > > > > > as the
> > > > > > > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> > > > > > skirt and
> > > > > > > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > > > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> > > > > > boat from
> > > > > > > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > > > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of
> > > > Bolger's
> > > > > > ideas
> > > > > > > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> > > > > > there was
> > > > > > > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> > > > > > outboard to
> > > > > > > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> > > > > > the boat
> > > > > > > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one
> > > > of their
> > > > > > > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let
> > > > me sail
> > > > > > > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had
> > > > a young
> > > > > > > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> > > > > > needed to
> > > > > > > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it.
> > > > We hadn't
> > > > > > > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for
> > > > coastal
> > > > > > > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a
> > > > better boat.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I
> > > > think it
> > > > > > > > fits
> > > > > > > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> > > > > > pulpit
> > > > > > > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the
> > > > plumb bow
> > > > > > > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> > > > > > added the
> > > > > > > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to
> > > > the wind
> > > > > > > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> > > > > > degrees of
> > > > > > > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that
> > > > everything
> > > > > > > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living
> > > > aboard,
> > > > > > > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> > > > > > original
> > > > > > > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > > > > > > require
> > > > > > > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close
> > > > to 500
> > > > > > > > sqft,
> > > > > > > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well
> > > > in light
> > > > > > > > airs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> > > > > > center of
> > > > > > > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> > > > > > still be
> > > > > > > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a
> > > > wind-generator
> > > > > > > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> > > > > > person here
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > > > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> > > > > > is pure
> > > > > > > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett
> > > > /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> > > > > > jib? I
> > > > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig
> > > > -- in
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> > > > > > requiring
> > > > > > > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would
> > > > ensue.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> > > > > > swing-keel,
> > > > > > > > a full
> > > > > > > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> > > > > > it was a
> > > > > > > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail
> > > > and
> > > > > > a small
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > > > > > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top
> > > > out and
> > > > > > > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also
> > > > insulated
> > > > > > > > the hull
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and
> > > > glassed
> > > > > > > > over them
> > > > > > > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a
> > > > divorce.
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > > > > > > around for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> > > > > > past 25
> > > > > > > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > > > > > > professional
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> > > > > > corporate
> > > > > > > > boats,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > > > > > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> > > > > > months of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> > > > > > her as a
> > > > > > > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> > > > > > headsail for
> > > > > > > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the
> > > > Atlantic
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > found
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get
> > > > enough
> > > > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> > > > > > disconcerting.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> > > > > > the main,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing
> > > > factor
> > > > > > > > along with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> > > > > > love
> > > > > > > > the way
> > > > > > > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > > > > > > layout and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> > > > > > have and am
> > > > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Well, I took some pics today and have them posted. So, if you want to see my project boat, go to photos and look at "Island Time".
Tom
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@...> wrote:
>
> Once I figure out how to post them, I'll put a few pictures up so everyone can see what the boat looks like now. BTW, I think I told you wrong; the trailer is a '03 Loadmaster that has never been in the water.
>
> When were you in the Bahamas and Key West? We did that trip back in the Winter of '94-95 and were weathered in up at Marsh Harbor for a week. It was kinda funny to watch the anchorage traffic. There was a place that rented pirated movies for like a quarter. Every few hours, dinghies would criss-cross the harbor, in 40 knot winds, trading movies with their neighbors. We had a wind gen so we *had* to watch movies or stop the generator to keep from overcharging.
>
> Tom
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> >
> > Foxtown is on the north end of Great Abbaco. We had been anchored at
> > the fish keys and a kid came buy in a runabout after going to see his
> > girlfriend and it was blowing. We called Foxtown on the radio and they
> > sent a boat over to pick him up but his boat kept going air born in the
> > 50 mile per hour norther that was blowing. the next day it had died down
> > and we towed his boat over to him.
> > I am thinking about your boat Tom, I have some other boats to look at
> > since I set up dates to see them on the 8th of Jan.. I'm sure I won't
> > make any decision until after Jan. 15.
> > I anchored west of Christmas tree one time and there were some families
> > building catamarans on the beach. Kinda neat as they were living in
> > tents while building. Thanks Doug
> >
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from
> > > Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor
> > > to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown,
> > > Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and
> > > downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to
> > > work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West
> > > of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on
> > > the Key West side rolling.
> > >
> > > If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your
> > > prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox
> > > Town
> > > > Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other
> > > boats
> > > > around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
> > > > repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
> > > > people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on
> > > the
> > > > radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
> > > > I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
> > > > couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
> > > > 5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
> > > > $20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
> > > > want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
> > > > hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
> > > > that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still
> > > need
> > > > to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
> > > > The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I
> > > want to
> > > > do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
> > > > do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
> > > > with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
> > > > looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
> > > > When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
> > > > was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
> > > > luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
> > > > skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
> > > > of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and
> > > said,
> > > > You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
> > > > the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty
> > > dumb.
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> > > > > battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of
> > > each
> > > > > batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> > > > > didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as
> > > used
> > > > > for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down
> > > required
> > > > > keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> > > > > the lazy-jacks.
> > > > >
> > > > > I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> > > > > 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> > > > > the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> > > > > especially fun to explore.
> > > > >
> > > > > The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> > > > > getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to
> > > Oregon
> > > > > Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing
> > > dinghy.
> > > > > It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> > > > > water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> > > > > Shepherd) on board easy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> > > > > situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> > > > > grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> > > > > below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> > > > > three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> > > > > stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> > > > > approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> > > > > winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> > > > > too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> > > > > the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> > > > > the keel was down.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> > > > > much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> > > > > don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> > > > > bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> > > > > easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
> > > > >
> > > > > The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> > > > > 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> > > > > with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> > > > > catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> > > > > remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> > > > > loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> > > > > stopped cruising.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I
> > > like
> > > > > > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > > > > > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > > > > > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > > > > > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> > > > > transom on
> > > > > > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess
> > > you
> > > > > saw
> > > > > > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > > > > > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their
> > > looks but
> > > > > > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended
> > > against them
> > > > > > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> > > > > remember
> > > > > > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I
> > > think
> > > > > > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard
> > > cruising
> > > > > > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one
> > > to buy
> > > > > > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project
> > > at my
> > > > > age
> > > > > > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot
> > > of years
> > > > > > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your
> > > progress. We
> > > > > > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails;
> > > much
> > > > > > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > > > > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > > > > > darn it!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy
> > > getting
> > > > > > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it
> > > comes to
> > > > > > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > > > > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is
> > > just
> > > > > > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a
> > > noise
> > > > > > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be
> > > used to
> > > > > > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have
> > > thought
> > > > > > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would
> > > require
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would
> > > keep the
> > > > > > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > > > > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least.
> > > Almost
> > > > > > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > > > > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is
> > > shaped much
> > > > > > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> > > > > winds). I
> > > > > > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > > > > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main
> > > to stay
> > > > > > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > > > > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor.
> > > Much to
> > > > > > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> > > > > down
> > > > > > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > > > > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> > > > > schooners and
> > > > > > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> > > > > effort on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had
> > > them. I
> > > > > moved
> > > > > > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some
> > > off the
> > > > > > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> > > > > the keel
> > > > > > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> > > > > increase
> > > > > > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> > > > > steeped.
> > > > > > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far
> > > forward but I
> > > > > > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the
> > > end
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> > > > > bottom
> > > > > > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I
> > > extended the
> > > > > > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> > > > > lengthened
> > > > > > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300
> > > sq. ft
> > > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley
> > > wobler. I
> > > > > would
> > > > > > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> > > > > able to
> > > > > > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use
> > > a club
> > > > > > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> > > > > sail is
> > > > > > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard
> > > low the
> > > > > > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay.
> > > I had
> > > > > > > added
> > > > > > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the
> > > center of
> > > > > > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> > > > > schooner.
> > > > > > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do
> > > the same
> > > > > > > > with the sloop.
> > > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the
> > > rounding up
> > > > > > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well
> > > behaved. We
> > > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little
> > > of the
> > > > > > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us
> > > regularly
> > > > > at 9+
> > > > > > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very
> > > impressed
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been
> > > full-keel
> > > > > > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> > > > > as the
> > > > > > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> > > > > skirt and
> > > > > > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> > > > > boat from
> > > > > > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of
> > > Bolger's
> > > > > ideas
> > > > > > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> > > > > there was
> > > > > > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> > > > > outboard to
> > > > > > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> > > > > the boat
> > > > > > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one
> > > of their
> > > > > > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let
> > > me sail
> > > > > > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had
> > > a young
> > > > > > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> > > > > needed to
> > > > > > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it.
> > > We hadn't
> > > > > > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for
> > > coastal
> > > > > > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a
> > > better boat.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I
> > > think it
> > > > > > > fits
> > > > > > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> > > > > pulpit
> > > > > > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the
> > > plumb bow
> > > > > > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> > > > > added the
> > > > > > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to
> > > the wind
> > > > > > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> > > > > degrees of
> > > > > > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that
> > > everything
> > > > > > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living
> > > aboard,
> > > > > > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> > > > > original
> > > > > > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > > > > > require
> > > > > > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close
> > > to 500
> > > > > > > sqft,
> > > > > > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well
> > > in light
> > > > > > > airs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> > > > > center of
> > > > > > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> > > > > still be
> > > > > > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a
> > > wind-generator
> > > > > > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> > > > > person here
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> > > > > is pure
> > > > > > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett
> > > /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> > > > > jib? I
> > > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig
> > > -- in
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> > > > > requiring
> > > > > > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would
> > > ensue.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> > > > > swing-keel,
> > > > > > > a full
> > > > > > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> > > > > it was a
> > > > > > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail
> > > and
> > > > > a small
> > > > > > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > > > > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top
> > > out and
> > > > > > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also
> > > insulated
> > > > > > > the hull
> > > > > > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and
> > > glassed
> > > > > > > over them
> > > > > > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a
> > > divorce.
> > > > > The
> > > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > > > > > around for
> > > > > > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> > > > > past 25
> > > > > > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > > > > > professional
> > > > > > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> > > > > corporate
> > > > > > > boats,
> > > > > > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > > > > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> > > > > months of
> > > > > > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> > > > > her as a
> > > > > > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> > > > > headsail for
> > > > > > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the
> > > Atlantic
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > found
> > > > > > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get
> > > enough
> > > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> > > > > disconcerting.
> > > > > > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> > > > > the main,
> > > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing
> > > factor
> > > > > > > along with
> > > > > > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> > > > > love
> > > > > > > the way
> > > > > > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > > > > > layout and
> > > > > > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> > > > > have and am
> > > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > > >
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Once I figure out how to post them, I'll put a few pictures up so everyone can see what the boat looks like now. BTW, I think I told you wrong; the trailer is a '03 Loadmaster that has never been in the water.
When were you in the Bahamas and Key West? We did that trip back in the Winter of '94-95 and were weathered in up at Marsh Harbor for a week. It was kinda funny to watch the anchorage traffic. There was a place that rented pirated movies for like a quarter. Every few hours, dinghies would criss-cross the harbor, in 40 knot winds, trading movies with their neighbors. We had a wind gen so we *had* to watch movies or stop the generator to keep from overcharging.
Tom
When were you in the Bahamas and Key West? We did that trip back in the Winter of '94-95 and were weathered in up at Marsh Harbor for a week. It was kinda funny to watch the anchorage traffic. There was a place that rented pirated movies for like a quarter. Every few hours, dinghies would criss-cross the harbor, in 40 knot winds, trading movies with their neighbors. We had a wind gen so we *had* to watch movies or stop the generator to keep from overcharging.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> Foxtown is on the north end of Great Abbaco. We had been anchored at
> the fish keys and a kid came buy in a runabout after going to see his
> girlfriend and it was blowing. We called Foxtown on the radio and they
> sent a boat over to pick him up but his boat kept going air born in the
> 50 mile per hour norther that was blowing. the next day it had died down
> and we towed his boat over to him.
> I am thinking about your boat Tom, I have some other boats to look at
> since I set up dates to see them on the 8th of Jan.. I'm sure I won't
> make any decision until after Jan. 15.
> I anchored west of Christmas tree one time and there were some families
> building catamarans on the beach. Kinda neat as they were living in
> tents while building. Thanks Doug
>
>
> Tom wrote:
> >
> > I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from
> > Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor
> > to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown,
> > Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and
> > downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to
> > work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West
> > of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on
> > the Key West side rolling.
> >
> > If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your
> > prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox
> > Town
> > > Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other
> > boats
> > > around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
> > > repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
> > > people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on
> > the
> > > radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
> > > I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
> > > couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
> > > 5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
> > > $20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
> > > want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
> > > hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
> > > that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still
> > need
> > > to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
> > > The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I
> > want to
> > > do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
> > > do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
> > > with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
> > > looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
> > > When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
> > > was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
> > > luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
> > > skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
> > > of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and
> > said,
> > > You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
> > > the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty
> > dumb.
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > Tom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> > > > battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of
> > each
> > > > batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> > > > didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as
> > used
> > > > for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down
> > required
> > > > keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> > > > the lazy-jacks.
> > > >
> > > > I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> > > > 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> > > > the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> > > > especially fun to explore.
> > > >
> > > > The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> > > > getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to
> > Oregon
> > > > Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing
> > dinghy.
> > > > It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> > > > water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> > > > Shepherd) on board easy.
> > > >
> > > > The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> > > > situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> > > > grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> > > > below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> > > > three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> > > > stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> > > > approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> > > > winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> > > > too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> > > > the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> > > > the keel was down.
> > > >
> > > > As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> > > > much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> > > > don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> > > > bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> > > > easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
> > > >
> > > > The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> > > > 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> > > > with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> > > > catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> > > > remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> > > > loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> > > > stopped cruising.
> > > >
> > > > If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I
> > like
> > > > > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > > > > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > > > > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > > > > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> > > > transom on
> > > > > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess
> > you
> > > > saw
> > > > > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > > > > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their
> > looks but
> > > > > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended
> > against them
> > > > > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> > > > remember
> > > > > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I
> > think
> > > > > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard
> > cruising
> > > > > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one
> > to buy
> > > > > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project
> > at my
> > > > age
> > > > > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot
> > of years
> > > > > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your
> > progress. We
> > > > > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails;
> > much
> > > > > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > > > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > > > > darn it!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy
> > getting
> > > > > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it
> > comes to
> > > > > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > > > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is
> > just
> > > > > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a
> > noise
> > > > > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be
> > used to
> > > > > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have
> > thought
> > > > > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would
> > require
> > > > the
> > > > > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would
> > keep the
> > > > > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > > > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least.
> > Almost
> > > > > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > > > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is
> > shaped much
> > > > > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> > > > winds). I
> > > > > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > > > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main
> > to stay
> > > > > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > > > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor.
> > Much to
> > > > > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> > > > down
> > > > > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > > > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> > > > schooners and
> > > > > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> > > > effort on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had
> > them. I
> > > > moved
> > > > > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some
> > off the
> > > > > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> > > > the keel
> > > > > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> > > > increase
> > > > > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> > > > steeped.
> > > > > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far
> > forward but I
> > > > > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the
> > end
> > > > of the
> > > > > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> > > > bottom
> > > > > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I
> > extended the
> > > > > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> > > > lengthened
> > > > > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> > > > of the
> > > > > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300
> > sq. ft
> > > > > > flat
> > > > > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley
> > wobler. I
> > > > would
> > > > > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> > > > able to
> > > > > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use
> > a club
> > > > > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> > > > effort
> > > > > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> > > > sail is
> > > > > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard
> > low the
> > > > > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay.
> > I had
> > > > > > added
> > > > > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the
> > center of
> > > > > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> > > > schooner.
> > > > > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do
> > the same
> > > > > > > with the sloop.
> > > > > > > Doug
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the
> > rounding up
> > > > > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well
> > behaved. We
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little
> > of the
> > > > > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us
> > regularly
> > > > at 9+
> > > > > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very
> > impressed
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been
> > full-keel
> > > > > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> > > > as the
> > > > > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> > > > skirt and
> > > > > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> > > > boat from
> > > > > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> > > > other
> > > > > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of
> > Bolger's
> > > > ideas
> > > > > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> > > > there was
> > > > > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> > > > outboard to
> > > > > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> > > > the boat
> > > > > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one
> > of their
> > > > > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let
> > me sail
> > > > > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had
> > a young
> > > > > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> > > > needed to
> > > > > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it.
> > We hadn't
> > > > > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for
> > coastal
> > > > > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a
> > better boat.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I
> > think it
> > > > > > fits
> > > > > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> > > > pulpit
> > > > > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the
> > plumb bow
> > > > > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> > > > added the
> > > > > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to
> > the wind
> > > > > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> > > > degrees of
> > > > > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that
> > everything
> > > > > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living
> > aboard,
> > > > > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> > > > original
> > > > > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > > > > require
> > > > > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close
> > to 500
> > > > > > sqft,
> > > > > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well
> > in light
> > > > > > airs.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> > > > center of
> > > > > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> > > > still be
> > > > > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a
> > wind-generator
> > > > > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> > > > person here
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> > > > is pure
> > > > > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett
> > /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> > > > jib? I
> > > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig
> > -- in
> > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> > > > requiring
> > > > > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would
> > ensue.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> > > > swing-keel,
> > > > > > a full
> > > > > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> > > > it was a
> > > > > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail
> > and
> > > > a small
> > > > > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > > > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top
> > out and
> > > > > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also
> > insulated
> > > > > > the hull
> > > > > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and
> > glassed
> > > > > > over them
> > > > > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a
> > divorce.
> > > > The
> > > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > > > > around for
> > > > > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> > > > past 25
> > > > > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > > > > professional
> > > > > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> > > > corporate
> > > > > > boats,
> > > > > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > > > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> > > > months of
> > > > > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> > > > her as a
> > > > > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> > > > headsail for
> > > > > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the
> > Atlantic
> > > > and
> > > > > > found
> > > > > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get
> > enough
> > > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> > > > disconcerting.
> > > > > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> > > > the main,
> > > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing
> > factor
> > > > > > along with
> > > > > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> > > > love
> > > > > > the way
> > > > > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > > > > layout and
> > > > > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> > > > have and am
> > > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
I know this may sound insulting,,,,,,,,,, however,,,,why not just lock the shop.... then you have no one to shout at,,,or curse at, ,,,, yeah,,, that might take a lot of the sport out of it. doc --- OnMon, 12/21/09, Tom<tomseigler@...>wrote:
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Eric, don't get me wrong, if one starts from scratch, no way. But, he can buy mine and complete it for that amount of money. It comes with most everything one needs to outfit the boat except for the rigging changes; even a great trailer. The motor was pretty tired so I got rid of it.
Tom
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown, Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on the Key West side rolling.
> >
> > If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>
>
>
> If you can build AS-29s for $20,000 I'll bet there are a lot of people who would like to talk to you.
>
> As for taking an AS-29 to sea... Why not? Maybe add a fair nose to the blunt bow, but regards the rest, read Phil's speculation about why shallow hulled boats do so well in storm seas. And near shore or off, one should have sufficient reef points to deal with rising winds.
> Eric
>
Foxtown is on the north end of Great Abbaco. We had been anchored at
the fish keys and a kid came buy in a runabout after going to see his
girlfriend and it was blowing. We called Foxtown on the radio and they
sent a boat over to pick him up but his boat kept going air born in the
50 mile per hour norther that was blowing. the next day it had died down
and we towed his boat over to him.
I am thinking about your boat Tom, I have some other boats to look at
since I set up dates to see them on the 8th of Jan.. I'm sure I won't
make any decision until after Jan. 15.
I anchored west of Christmas tree one time and there were some families
building catamarans on the beach. Kinda neat as they were living in
tents while building. Thanks Doug
Tom wrote:
the fish keys and a kid came buy in a runabout after going to see his
girlfriend and it was blowing. We called Foxtown on the radio and they
sent a boat over to pick him up but his boat kept going air born in the
50 mile per hour norther that was blowing. the next day it had died down
and we towed his boat over to him.
I am thinking about your boat Tom, I have some other boats to look at
since I set up dates to see them on the 8th of Jan.. I'm sure I won't
make any decision until after Jan. 15.
I anchored west of Christmas tree one time and there were some families
building catamarans on the beach. Kinda neat as they were living in
tents while building. Thanks Doug
Tom wrote:
>
> I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from
> Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor
> to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown,
> Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and
> downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to
> work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West
> of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on
> the Key West side rolling.
>
> If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your
> prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
>
> Tom
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox
> Town
> > Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other
> boats
> > around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
> > repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
> > people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on
> the
> > radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
> > I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
> > couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
> > 5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
> > $20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
> > want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
> > hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
> > that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still
> need
> > to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
> > The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I
> want to
> > do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
> > do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
> > with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
> > looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
> > When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
> > was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
> > luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
> > skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
> > of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and
> said,
> > You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
> > the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty
> dumb.
> > Doug
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > > Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> > > battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of
> each
> > > batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> > > didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as
> used
> > > for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down
> required
> > > keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> > > the lazy-jacks.
> > >
> > > I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> > > 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> > > the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> > > especially fun to explore.
> > >
> > > The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> > > getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to
> Oregon
> > > Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing
> dinghy.
> > > It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> > > water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> > > Shepherd) on board easy.
> > >
> > > The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> > > situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> > > grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> > > below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> > > three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> > > stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> > > approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> > > winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> > > too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> > > the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> > > the keel was down.
> > >
> > > As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> > > much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> > > don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> > > bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> > > easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
> > >
> > > The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> > > 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> > > with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> > > catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> > > remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> > > loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> > > stopped cruising.
> > >
> > > If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I
> like
> > > > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > > > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > > > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > > > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> > > transom on
> > > > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess
> you
> > > saw
> > > > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > > > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their
> looks but
> > > > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended
> against them
> > > > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> > > remember
> > > > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I
> think
> > > > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard
> cruising
> > > > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one
> to buy
> > > > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project
> at my
> > > age
> > > > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot
> of years
> > > > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your
> progress. We
> > > > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails;
> much
> > > > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > > > darn it!
> > > > >
> > > > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy
> getting
> > > > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it
> comes to
> > > > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is
> just
> > > > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a
> noise
> > > > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be
> used to
> > > > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have
> thought
> > > > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would
> require
> > > the
> > > > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would
> keep the
> > > > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least.
> Almost
> > > > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is
> shaped much
> > > > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > > > >
> > > > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> > > winds). I
> > > > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main
> to stay
> > > > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor.
> Much to
> > > > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> > > down
> > > > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> > > schooners and
> > > > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> > > effort on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had
> them. I
> > > moved
> > > > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some
> off the
> > > > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> > > the keel
> > > > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> > > increase
> > > > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> > > steeped.
> > > > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far
> forward but I
> > > > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the
> end
> > > of the
> > > > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> > > bottom
> > > > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I
> extended the
> > > > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> > > lengthened
> > > > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> > > of the
> > > > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300
> sq. ft
> > > > > flat
> > > > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley
> wobler. I
> > > would
> > > > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> > > able to
> > > > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use
> a club
> > > > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> > > effort
> > > > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> > > sail is
> > > > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard
> low the
> > > > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay.
> I had
> > > > > added
> > > > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the
> center of
> > > > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> > > schooner.
> > > > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do
> the same
> > > > > > with the sloop.
> > > > > > Doug
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the
> rounding up
> > > > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well
> behaved. We
> > > > > were
> > > > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little
> of the
> > > > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us
> regularly
> > > at 9+
> > > > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very
> impressed
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been
> full-keel
> > > > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> > > as the
> > > > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> > > skirt and
> > > > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> > > boat from
> > > > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> > > other
> > > > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of
> Bolger's
> > > ideas
> > > > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> > > there was
> > > > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> > > outboard to
> > > > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> > > the boat
> > > > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one
> of their
> > > > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let
> me sail
> > > > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had
> a young
> > > > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> > > needed to
> > > > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it.
> We hadn't
> > > > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for
> coastal
> > > > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a
> better boat.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I
> think it
> > > > > fits
> > > > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> > > pulpit
> > > > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the
> plumb bow
> > > > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> > > added the
> > > > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to
> the wind
> > > > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> > > degrees of
> > > > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that
> everything
> > > > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living
> aboard,
> > > > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> > > original
> > > > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > > > require
> > > > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close
> to 500
> > > > > sqft,
> > > > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well
> in light
> > > > > airs.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> > > center of
> > > > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> > > still be
> > > > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a
> wind-generator
> > > > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> > > person here
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > > > makes you
> > > > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> > > is pure
> > > > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett
> /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> > > jib? I
> > > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig
> -- in
> > > this
> > > > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> > > requiring
> > > > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would
> ensue.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> > > swing-keel,
> > > > > a full
> > > > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> > > it was a
> > > > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail
> and
> > > a small
> > > > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top
> out and
> > > > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also
> insulated
> > > > > the hull
> > > > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and
> glassed
> > > > > over them
> > > > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a
> divorce.
> > > The
> > > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > > > around for
> > > > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> > > past 25
> > > > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > > > professional
> > > > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> > > corporate
> > > > > boats,
> > > > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> > > months of
> > > > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> > > her as a
> > > > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> > > headsail for
> > > > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the
> Atlantic
> > > and
> > > > > found
> > > > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get
> enough
> > > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> > > disconcerting.
> > > > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> > > the main,
> > > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing
> factor
> > > > > along with
> > > > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> > > love
> > > > > the way
> > > > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > > > layout and
> > > > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> > > have and am
> > > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@...> wrote:
As for taking an AS-29 to sea... Why not? Maybe add a fair nose to the blunt bow, but regards the rest, read Phil's speculation about why shallow hulled boats do so well in storm seas. And near shore or off, one should have sufficient reef points to deal with rising winds.
Eric
>If you can build AS-29s for $20,000 I'll bet there are a lot of people who would like to talk to you.
> I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown, Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on the Key West side rolling.
>
> If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
>
> Tom
>
As for taking an AS-29 to sea... Why not? Maybe add a fair nose to the blunt bow, but regards the rest, read Phil's speculation about why shallow hulled boats do so well in storm seas. And near shore or off, one should have sufficient reef points to deal with rising winds.
Eric
I don't recall Fox Town. Which island is it on? We sailed over from Key West and entered at Cat Key, but continued on up to Marsh Harbor to meet up with some friends from Texas. We ended up in Georgetown, Exumas a couple of months latter. The trip home was shorter and downwind for the most part. We sailed back to Key West to go back to work driving the water-taxi. Best job I ever had! We anchored out West of Christmas Tree to avoid the boat wakes which kept the anchorage on the Key West side rolling.
If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
Tom
If you find the right owner/builder, you can meet all your prerequisites for your next boat. We should talk.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox Town
> Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other boats
> around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
> repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
> people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on the
> radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
> I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
> couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
> 5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
> $20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
> want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
> hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
> that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still need
> to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
> The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I want to
> do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
> do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
> with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
> looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
> When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
> was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
> luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
> skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
> of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and said,
> You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
> the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty dumb.
> Doug
>
> Tom wrote:
> >
> > Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> > battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of each
> > batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> > didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as used
> > for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down required
> > keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> > the lazy-jacks.
> >
> > I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> > 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> > the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> > especially fun to explore.
> >
> > The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> > getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to Oregon
> > Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing dinghy.
> > It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> > water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> > Shepherd) on board easy.
> >
> > The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> > situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> > grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> > below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> > three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> > stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> > approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> > winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> > too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> > the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> > the keel was down.
> >
> > As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> > much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> > don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> > bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> > easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
> >
> > The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> > 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> > with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> > catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> > remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> > loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> > stopped cruising.
> >
> > If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
> >
> > Tom
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I like
> > > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> > transom on
> > > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess you
> > saw
> > > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their looks but
> > > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended against them
> > > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> > remember
> > > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I think
> > > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard cruising
> > > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one to buy
> > > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project at my
> > age
> > > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot of years
> > > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your progress. We
> > > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> > > Tom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails; much
> > > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > > darn it!
> > > >
> > > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy getting
> > > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it comes to
> > > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is just
> > > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a noise
> > > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be used to
> > > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have thought
> > > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would require
> > the
> > > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would keep the
> > > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least. Almost
> > > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is shaped much
> > > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > > >
> > > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> > winds). I
> > > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main to stay
> > > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor. Much to
> > > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> > down
> > > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> > schooners and
> > > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> > effort on
> > > > the
> > > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I
> > moved
> > > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
> > > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> > the keel
> > > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> > increase
> > > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> > steeped.
> > > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
> > > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end
> > of the
> > > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> > bottom
> > > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
> > > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> > lengthened
> > > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> > of the
> > > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft
> > > > flat
> > > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I
> > would
> > > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> > able to
> > > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
> > > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> > effort
> > > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> > sail is
> > > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
> > > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had
> > > > added
> > > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
> > > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> > schooner.
> > > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
> > > > > with the sloop.
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up
> > > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We
> > > > were
> > > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the
> > > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly
> > at 9+
> > > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed
> > > > with
> > > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel
> > > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> > as the
> > > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> > skirt and
> > > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> > boat from
> > > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> > other
> > > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's
> > ideas
> > > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> > there was
> > > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> > outboard to
> > > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> > the boat
> > > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their
> > > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail
> > > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young
> > > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> > needed to
> > > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't
> > > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal
> > > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it
> > > > fits
> > > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> > pulpit
> > > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow
> > > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> > added the
> > > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind
> > > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> > degrees of
> > > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything
> > > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard,
> > > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> > original
> > > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > > require
> > > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500
> > > > sqft,
> > > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light
> > > > airs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> > center of
> > > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> > still be
> > > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator
> > > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> > person here
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > > makes you
> > > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> > is pure
> > > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> > jib? I
> > > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in
> > this
> > > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> > requiring
> > > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> > swing-keel,
> > > > a full
> > > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> > it was a
> > > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and
> > a small
> > > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated
> > > > the hull
> > > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed
> > > > over them
> > > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce.
> > The
> > > > rework
> > > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > > around for
> > > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> > past 25
> > > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > > professional
> > > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> > corporate
> > > > boats,
> > > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> > months of
> > > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> > her as a
> > > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> > headsail for
> > > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic
> > and
> > > > found
> > > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough
> > > > effort
> > > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> > disconcerting.
> > > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> > the main,
> > > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor
> > > > along with
> > > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> > love
> > > > the way
> > > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > > layout and
> > > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> > have and am
> > > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Tom My Wolftrap drew 27inches with the board up. We anchored at Fox Town
Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other boats
around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on the
radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
$20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still need
to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I want to
do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and said,
You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty dumb.
Doug
Tom wrote:
Bahamas in 3ft of water to ride out a norther. There were no other boats
around to worry about dragging anchor and hitting each other. We
repeated this may times over a couple years. The biggest problem was
people wanting to come in and anchor beside us and either calling on the
radio and warning them off or helping them get off the bottom.
I am looking at boats all over to cruise in and maybe live aboard for a
couple years. Most of the boats I am looking at have medium draft 4to
5ft. I really want something with 2ft board up. I am looking to buy for
$20,000 or under. This means an older boat and at the same time I don't
want a big project. I have been considering the posibility that I migh
hire a couple house carpenters and build a boat that is simple enough
that they with my help and instruction can mostly build it. I still need
to do it for $20,000 and that is a problem.
The real problem right now is, I have not made up my mind what I want to
do with a boat and that determins what boat to buy. The questions are,
do I want to live aboard or just cruise aboard or weekend and vacation
with periods of several months aboard. I guess I am hoping the act of
looking at boats will help us make up our minds.
When I was young I had sailed to Smith island on the Chespeake bay and
was watching skipjacks sailing into the dock. They sailed up close
luffed the sails and came to a sudden stop in the slip. I ask the
skipper on one of the boats how the heck he did that. "Just like all
of,em does he said." "How is that", I asked. He shook his head and said,
You just drop it in the mud. I guess I looked perplexed. He looked at
the mate and shrugged saying, "The board, the board." I felt pretty dumb.
Doug
Tom wrote:
>
> Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full
> battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of each
> batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he
> didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as used
> for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down required
> keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into
> the lazy-jacks.
>
> I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a
> 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine
> the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be
> especially fun to explore.
>
> The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with
> getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to Oregon
> Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing dinghy.
> It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of
> water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German
> Shepherd) on board easy.
>
> The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel
> situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so
> grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work
> below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about
> three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would
> stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another
> approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer
> winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that,
> too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits
> the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when
> the keel was down.
>
> As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so
> much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You
> don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size
> bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is
> easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
>
> The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke
> 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas
> with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll
> catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and
> remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it
> loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we
> stopped cruising.
>
> If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
>
> Tom
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I like
> > the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> > halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> > sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> > lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open
> transom on
> > a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess you
> saw
> > the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> > her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their looks but
> > somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended against them
> > on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't
> remember
> > if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I think
> > about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard cruising
> > boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one to buy
> > and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project at my
> age
> > and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot of years
> > living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your progress. We
> > are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> > Doug
> >
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails; much
> > > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > > darn it!
> > >
> > > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy getting
> > > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it comes to
> > > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is just
> > > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a noise
> > > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be used to
> > > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have thought
> > > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would require
> the
> > > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would keep the
> > > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least. Almost
> > > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is shaped much
> > > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> > >
> > > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot
> winds). I
> > > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main to stay
> > > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor. Much to
> > > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked
> down
> > > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > > funny looking boat then.:)
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like
> schooners and
> > > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of
> effort on
> > > the
> > > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I
> moved
> > > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
> > > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on
> the keel
> > > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to
> increase
> > > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been
> steeped.
> > > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
> > > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end
> of the
> > > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and
> bottom
> > > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
> > > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then
> lengthened
> > > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage
> of the
> > > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft
> > > flat
> > > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I
> would
> > > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be
> able to
> > > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
> > > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of
> effort
> > > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the
> sail is
> > > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
> > > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had
> > > added
> > > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
> > > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and
> schooner.
> > > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
> > > > with the sloop.
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up
> > > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We
> > > were
> > > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the
> > > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly
> at 9+
> > > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed
> > > with
> > > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel
> > > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good
> as the
> > > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her
> skirt and
> > > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the
> boat from
> > > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the
> other
> > > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's
> ideas
> > > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but
> there was
> > > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the
> outboard to
> > > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built
> the boat
> > > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their
> > > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > > >
> > > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail
> > > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young
> > > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that
> needed to
> > > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't
> > > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal
> > > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it
> > > fits
> > > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow
> pulpit
> > > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow
> > > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we
> added the
> > > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > > >
> > > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind
> > > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20
> degrees of
> > > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything
> > > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard,
> > > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the
> original
> > > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > > require
> > > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500
> > > sqft,
> > > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light
> > > airs.
> > > > >
> > > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the
> center of
> > > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and
> still be
> > > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator
> > > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only
> person here
> > > > > that
> > > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > > makes you
> > > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say
> is pure
> > > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying
> jib? I
> > > > > > > would be
> > > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in
> this
> > > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat,
> requiring
> > > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset
> swing-keel,
> > > a full
> > > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat,
> it was a
> > > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and
> a small
> > > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > > Keys and
> > > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated
> > > the hull
> > > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed
> > > over them
> > > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce.
> The
> > > rework
> > > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > > around for
> > > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the
> past 25
> > > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > > professional
> > > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running
> corporate
> > > boats,
> > > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > > large yacht
> > > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18
> months of
> > > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig
> her as a
> > > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a
> headsail for
> > > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic
> and
> > > found
> > > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough
> > > effort
> > > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little
> disconcerting.
> > > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in
> the main,
> > > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor
> > > along with
> > > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I
> love
> > > the way
> > > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > > layout and
> > > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may
> have and am
> > > > > > > open
> > > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Doug, she has a track. The fore and aft loads caused by the full battens (the sail is stretched taut) requires a car at the end of each batten. The original owner used bat cars, which work well, but he didn't buy the bat car track. He used 1" stainless sail track, as used for normal sail slides; going up worked fine, but coming down required keeping a little tension on the halyard while flaking the sail into the lazy-jacks.
I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be especially fun to explore.
The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to Oregon Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing dinghy. It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German Shepherd) on board easy.
The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that, too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when the keel was down.
As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we stopped cruising.
If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
Tom
I spent 3 months sailing the Bahamas in my Southern Cross 31 with a 4.5' draft. That was fun, but I want to take this boat over! Imagine the possibilities with an 18" draft. The Grand Bahama Bank would be especially fun to explore.
The open transom was so nice. Although I initially was concerned with getting pooped in following seas, the trip from Norfolk down to Oregon Inlet, NC alleviated that concern. I have a Puffin 8'6" rowing dinghy. It would nestle up against the transom and made getting jerry jugs of water and fuel, sacks of groceries, and the dog (an 80lb German Shepherd) on board easy.
The boat is designed for bilge boards, but has a 1200lb swing keel situated 1ft off-center to starboard. It is recessed into a trunk so grounding is not a problem. Actually, since depth sounders don't work below 2', it was great for exploring. We would leave it down about three inches as we worked our way into creeks and inlets. It would stop the boat when it touched bottom; crank it up and try another approach. No problem. The winch arrangement sucked! It was a trailer winch that required going below to crank it. I'll re-engineer that, too. There needs to be a seal (packing gland?) where the cable exits the trunk because at speed, water would get past the rubber hose when the keel was down.
As a live-aboard, this is a great boat. The square chime gives you so much more volume and easier packing that a rounded chime boat. You don't roll when boat wakes strike you on the beam. The queen size bunk, under the cockpit, is really comfortable. Interior volume is easily as much as a standard 34-36 footer.
The transom mounted outboard worked great. We used a Yamaha 4-stroke 9.9. It would push us at 6.5 knots burning 1/2 gallon/hour. In areas with large numbers of crab/lobster pots, it is inevitable that you'll catch one occasionally. It was so nice to simply lift the engine and remove the line instead of having to dive over the side and cut it loose from the prop. There was over 2000 hours on the engine when we stopped cruising.
If you really want one of these to build/finish, let me know.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I like
> the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
> halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
> sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
> lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open transom on
> a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess you saw
> the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
> her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their looks but
> somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended against them
> on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't remember
> if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I think
> about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard cruising
> boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one to buy
> and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project at my age
> and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot of years
> living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your progress. We
> are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
> Doug
>
>
> Tom wrote:
> >
> > Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails; much
> > easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> > opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> > darn it!
> >
> > Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy getting
> > into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it comes to
> > sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> > (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is just
> > forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a noise
> > shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be used to
> > mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have thought
> > about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would require the
> > use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would keep the
> > lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> > mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least. Almost
> > lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> > impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is shaped much
> > like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
> >
> > The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot winds). I
> > want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> > type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main to stay
> > on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> > Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor. Much to
> > the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked down
> > the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> > funny looking boat then.:)
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like schooners and
> > > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of effort on
> > the
> > > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I moved
> > > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
> > > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on the keel
> > > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to increase
> > > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been steeped.
> > > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
> > > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end of the
> > > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and bottom
> > > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
> > > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then lengthened
> > > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage of the
> > > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft
> > flat
> > > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I would
> > > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be able to
> > > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
> > > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of effort
> > > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the sail is
> > > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
> > > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had
> > added
> > > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
> > > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and schooner.
> > > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
> > > with the sloop.
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > Tom wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up
> > > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We
> > were
> > > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the
> > > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly at 9+
> > > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed
> > with
> > > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel
> > > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good as the
> > > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her skirt and
> > > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > > >
> > > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the boat from
> > > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the other
> > > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's ideas
> > > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but there was
> > > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the outboard to
> > > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built the boat
> > > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their
> > > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > > >
> > > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail
> > > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young
> > > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that needed to
> > > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't
> > > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal
> > > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
> > > >
> > > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > > >
> > > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it
> > fits
> > > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow pulpit
> > > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow
> > > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we added the
> > > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > > >
> > > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind
> > > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20 degrees of
> > > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything
> > > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard,
> > > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the original
> > > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> > require
> > > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500
> > sqft,
> > > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light
> > airs.
> > > >
> > > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the center of
> > > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and still be
> > > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator
> > > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only person here
> > > > that
> > > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> > makes you
> > > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
> > > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > doc
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I
> > > > > > would be
> > > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this
> > > > > > case I'd
> > > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring
> > > > > > deeper
> > > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Patrick
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel,
> > a full
> > > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a
> > > > > > cat-
> > > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> > Keys and
> > > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > > > > > constructed
> > > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated
> > the hull
> > > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed
> > over them
> > > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The
> > rework
> > > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> > around for
> > > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25
> > > > > > years, I
> > > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> > professional
> > > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate
> > boats,
> > > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> > large yacht
> > > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a
> > > > > > sloop
> > > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and
> > found
> > > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough
> > effort
> > > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting.
> > > > > > Part of
> > > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main,
> > > > > > but I
> > > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor
> > along with
> > > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love
> > the way
> > > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> > layout and
> > > > > > > systems.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am
> > > > > > open
> > > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
Is your main laced onto the mast, run in a track or use hoops? I like
the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open transom on
a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess you saw
the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their looks but
somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended against them
on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't remember
if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I think
about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard cruising
boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one to buy
and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project at my age
and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot of years
living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your progress. We
are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
Doug
Tom wrote:
the figure eight lacing that Mr. Bolger recommends. As soon as the
halyard is slacked the lacing opens to let the sail drop with no
sticking. Your light pole being tapered might create a problem with
lacing I don't know. Friends I met in the Bahamas had an open transom on
a boat and really liked it and I looked on it with envy. I guess you saw
the AS 29 or maybe 39 with the twin junk rigs on line, looks nice on
her. the same boat has leeboards. I don't always like their looks but
somehow look suitable on an AS29 though Bolger recommended against them
on that boat. IS the centerboard on your boat swing up? I can't remember
if the AS 29 has a centerboard or maybe bilge boards now that I think
about it. I like the boat a lot and am wanting a live aboard cruising
boat and am looking to buy one. I haven't been able to find one to buy
and have concidered building one. Just seems to much a project at my age
and really just wanting to do some more sailing. I spent a lot of years
living aboard and really miss it. Keep us informed on your progress. We
are all interest in boat building repairs and modifications.
Doug
Tom wrote:
>
> Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails; much
> easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the
> opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner,
> darn it!
>
> Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy getting
> into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it comes to
> sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position
> (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is just
> forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a noise
> shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be used to
> mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have thought
> about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would require the
> use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would keep the
> lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck
> mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least. Almost
> lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment
> impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is shaped much
> like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
>
> The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot winds). I
> want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some
> type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main to stay
> on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of
> Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor. Much to
> the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked down
> the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our
> funny looking boat then.:)
>
> Tom
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like schooners and
> > ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of effort on
> the
> > sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I moved
> > the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
> > bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on the keel
> > before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to increase
> > the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been steeped.
> > Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
> > liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end of the
> > gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and bottom
> > correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
> > boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then lengthened
> > the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage of the
> > new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft
> flat
> > spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I would
> > say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be able to
> > move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
> > footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of effort
> > for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the sail is
> > pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
> > effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had
> added
> > in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
> > effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and schooner.
> > They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
> > with the sloop.
> > Doug
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up
> > > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We
> were
> > > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the
> > > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly at 9+
> > > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed
> with
> > > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel
> > > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good as the
> > > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her skirt and
> > > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> > >
> > > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the boat from
> > > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the other
> > > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's ideas
> > > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but there was
> > > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the outboard to
> > > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built the boat
> > > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their
> > > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> > >
> > > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail
> > > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young
> > > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that needed to
> > > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't
> > > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal
> > > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
> > >
> > > Stop me if your getting bored!
> > >
> > > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it
> fits
> > > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow pulpit
> > > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow
> > > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we added the
> > > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> > >
> > > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind
> > > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20 degrees of
> > > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything
> > > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard,
> > > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the original
> > > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't
> require
> > > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500
> sqft,
> > > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light
> airs.
> > >
> > > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the center of
> > > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and still be
> > > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator
> > > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only person here
> > > that
> > > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that
> makes you
> > > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
> > > > speculation. Doug
> > > > the doctor wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > > >
> > > > > doc
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I
> > > > > would be
> > > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this
> > > > > case I'd
> > > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring
> > > > > deeper
> > > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel,
> a full
> > > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a
> > > > > cat-
> > > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the
> Keys and
> > > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > > > > constructed
> > > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated
> the hull
> > > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed
> over them
> > > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The
> rework
> > > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project
> around for
> > > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25
> > > > > years, I
> > > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a
> professional
> > > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate
> boats,
> > > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a
> large yacht
> > > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a
> > > > > sloop
> > > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and
> found
> > > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough
> effort
> > > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting.
> > > > > Part of
> > > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main,
> > > > > but I
> > > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor
> along with
> > > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love
> the way
> > > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior
> layout and
> > > > > > systems.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am
> > > > > open
> > > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Doug, I've always been a fan of having multiple smaller sails; much easier to handle ina seaway. Being a delivery skipper gave me the opportunity to sail a lot of different rigs, but never a schooner, darn it!
Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy getting into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it comes to sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is just forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a noise shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be used to mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have thought about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would require the use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would keep the lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least. Almost lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is shaped much like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot winds). I want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main to stay on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor. Much to the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked down the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our funny looking boat then.:)
Tom
Did I mention the boat has an open stern? That makes it easy getting into and out of the dinghy, but complicates things when it comes to sheeting arrangement. If I place the mast in my selected position (roughly 2' aft of the forward cabin bulkhead) the boom end is just forward of the stern. One of the additions I have planned is a noise shield behind which I can mount the outboard. It will also be used to mount a rail system to raise and lower the outboard. I have thought about sheeting the main to that point, as well. That would require the use of a vang/preventer to shape the sail offwind, but would keep the lines clear of the cockpit. Originally, there was a bridge deck mainsheet track. Jibing was ... interesting, to say the least. Almost lost the dog once, and it made a dodger to bimini attachment impossible. The full-battened main is a great sail. It is shaped much like a catamaran sail with lots of roach.
The mast is an aluminum flagpole 27' tall (rated to 160 knot winds). I want it to remain a tabernacled mast, so I'll be constructing some type of tabernacle. Preferably one which will allow the main to stay on the boom when the mast is lowered. We were just North of Jacksonville, FL and one of the bridges burned out a motor. Much to the chagrin of the other boats waiting to pass, we simply cranked down the mainmast and continued on our way. Nobody was laughing at our funny looking boat then.:)
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like schooners and
> ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of effort on the
> sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I moved
> the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
> bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on the keel
> before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to increase
> the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been steeped.
> Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
> liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end of the
> gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and bottom
> correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
> boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then lengthened
> the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage of the
> new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft flat
> spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I would
> say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be able to
> move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
> footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of effort
> for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the sail is
> pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
> effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had added
> in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
> effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and schooner.
> They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
> with the sloop.
> Doug
>
> Tom wrote:
> >
> > I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up
> > part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We were
> > on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the
> > swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly at 9+
> > knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed with
> > her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel
> > cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good as the
> > waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her skirt and
> > surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> > round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
> >
> > At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the boat from
> > its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the other
> > changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> > "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's ideas
> > like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but there was
> > no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the outboard to
> > the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built the boat
> > for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their
> > production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
> >
> > When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail
> > something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young
> > trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that needed to
> > get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't
> > planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal
> > cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
> >
> > Stop me if your getting bored!
> >
> > I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it fits
> > really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow pulpit
> > to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow
> > received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we added the
> > insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
> >
> > My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind
> > when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20 degrees of
> > heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything
> > inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard,
> > there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the original
> > mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't require
> > any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500 sqft,
> > I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light airs.
> >
> > My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the center of
> > effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and still be
> > able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator
> > mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
> >
> > Tom
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only person here
> > that
> > > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that makes you
> > > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
> > > speculation. Doug
> > > the doctor wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > > >
> > > > doc
> > > >
> > > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@>/* wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@>
> > > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I
> > > > would be
> > > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this
> > > > case I'd
> > > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring
> > > > deeper
> > > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> > > >
> > > > Patrick
> > > >
> > > > Tom wrote:
> > > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> > > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a
> > > > cat-
> > > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> > > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > > > constructed
> > > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> > > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> > > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> > > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> > > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > > >
> > > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25
> > > > years, I
> > > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> > > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> > > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> > > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a
> > > > sloop
> > > > > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> > > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> > > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting.
> > > > Part of
> > > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main,
> > > > but I
> > > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> > > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> > > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> > > > > systems.
> > > > >
> > > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am
> > > > open
> > > > > to all suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
On My boat Wolf trap I rerigged her as a schooner. I like schooners and
ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of effort on the
sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I moved
the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on the keel
before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to increase
the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been steeped.
Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end of the
gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and bottom
correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then lengthened
the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage of the
new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft flat
spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I would
say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be able to
move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of effort
for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the sail is
pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had added
in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and schooner.
They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
with the sloop.
Doug
Tom wrote:
ketches! AllmI did was move things around so the center of effort on the
sails and the center of effort the same place Bolger had them. I moved
the main mast aft and stepped it on deck after cutting some off the
bottom to compensate for the fact that it had been stepped on the keel
before. The foremast being shorter I gaff rigged that sail to increase
the square footage. It was stepped where the cat rig had been steeped.
Might have been a little odd looking to some that far forward but I
liked it. I also provided a sheet to the boom and one to the end of the
gaff to the top of the main mast. I could sheet in the top and bottom
correctly so that the sail would draw top and bottom. I extended the
boomkin so the main sheet could sheet to the end of it. Then lengthened
the bowsprit by two feet. These changes kept the square footage of the
new rig the same size as the old. The original rig had a 300 sq. ft flat
spinnaker. I used that as a mizzen stay sail or golley wobler. I would
say keep the center of effort the same place and you should be able to
move things around any way you want pretty much. If you use a club
footed jib it's self tending plus you can adjust the center of effort
for an aft at will, buy how tight you sheet the jib in. If the sail is
pulling hard at the to the CE moves aft if its pulling hard low the
effort moves forward, because of the angle of the head stay. I had added
in a fair amount of mast rake so I could also change the center of
effort the same way on them. This is why I like a ketch and schooner.
They are infanatly adjustable, sort of. I'm sure you can do the same
with the sloop.
Doug
Tom wrote:
>
> I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up
> part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We were
> on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the
> swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly at 9+
> knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed with
> her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel
> cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good as the
> waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her skirt and
> surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would
> round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
>
> At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the boat from
> its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the other
> changes while living with her. She was already something of a
> "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's ideas
> like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but there was
> no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the outboard to
> the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built the boat
> for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their
> production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
>
> When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail
> something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young
> trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that needed to
> get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't
> planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal
> cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
>
> Stop me if your getting bored!
>
> I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it fits
> really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow pulpit
> to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow
> received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we added the
> insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
>
> My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind
> when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20 degrees of
> heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything
> inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard,
> there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the original
> mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't require
> any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500 sqft,
> I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light airs.
>
> My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the center of
> effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and still be
> able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator
> mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
>
> Tom
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only person here
> that
> > has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that makes you
> > the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
> > speculation. Doug
> > the doctor wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Won't know unless you try !!!
> > >
> > > doc
> > >
> > > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@...>/* wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...>
> > > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> > >
> > >
> > > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I
> > > would be
> > > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this
> > > case I'd
> > > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring
> > > deeper
> > > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > Tom wrote:
> > > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> > > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a
> > > cat-
> > > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> > > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > > constructed
> > > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> > > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> > > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> > > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> > > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > > >
> > > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25
> > > years, I
> > > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> > > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> > > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> > > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > > >
> > > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a
> > > sloop
> > > > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> > > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> > > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting.
> > > Part of
> > > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main,
> > > but I
> > > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> > > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> > > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> > > > systems.
> > > >
> > > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am
> > > open
> > > > to all suggestions.
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
I don't know about being an expert, but aside from the rounding up part (which only happened in gust), she was very well behaved. We were on her best point of sail, a broad reach, and had a little of the swing keel extended to act as a skeg. The GPS had us regularly at 9+ knots with a jury-rigged triple-reefed main. I was very impressed with her lack of motion. All of my previous boats have been full-keel cruisers or long-fin with a skeg. They would roll pretty good as the waves ran under, but "Island Time", she just picked up her skirt and surfed them! The helm was extremely light, even when she would round-up. I attribute this to the counter-balanced rudder.
At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the boat from its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the other changes while living with her. She was already something of a "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's ideas like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but there was no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the outboard to the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built the boat for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that needed to get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
Stop me if your getting bored!
I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it fits really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow pulpit to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we added the insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20 degrees of heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard, there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the original mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't require any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500 sqft, I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light airs.
My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the center of effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and still be able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
Tom
At the time we were cruising, we had made no changes to the boat from its purchased state. I designed the cabin top and planned the other changes while living with her. She was already something of a "step-child". The builder had incorporated several of Bolger's ideas like the swing keel off of a 34' design and a bowsprit, but there was no sail or rigging for a spritsail. He had also moved the outboard to the stern. For a cabin top, he had had the yard, that built the boat for him, incorporate a domed/slanted front cabin from one of their production boats. Did I mention the open stern?
When I first saw it, I wasn't sure that my ego would let me sail something that looked as funny as this boat did. But I had a young trophy wife that thought it was "cute" and a big dog that needed to get to shore to do his thing; I'm really glad we got it. We hadn't planned on being offshore much because of the dog, and for coastal cruising the East Coast, I couldn't have asked for a better boat.
Stop me if your getting bored!
I'll have to post some pics of her with her new cabin. I think it fits really well, but I may be prejudiced. I also added a real bow pulpit to make setting the anchors easier. To blend it in, the plumb bow received a cutwater which I glassed in at the same time we added the insulation panels to the outside of the hull.
My thinking is that one doesn't really sail very close to the wind when cruising. Besides, the rudder kicks out at around 20 degrees of heel. One of the nice things about the design is that everything inside of the gunnels is ballast! When cruising and living aboard, there's lots of ballast! So going to a sloop rig, using the original mast, but adding uppers (no spreaders) and forestay, shouldn't require any additional ballast. Since the sail area will be close to 500 sqft, I might reef a little sooner, but she ought to move well in light airs.
My biggest challenge is to situate the mast such that the center of effort and the center of lateral resistance are correct and still be able to use the entire 20' of boom and still get a wind-generator mounted aft. The hoist on the sail is 24'.
Tom
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only person here that
> has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that makes you
> the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
> speculation. Doug
> the doctor wrote:
> >
> >
> > Won't know unless you try !!!
> >
> > doc
> >
> > --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@...>/* wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...>
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
> >
> >
> > Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I
> > would be
> > nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this
> > case I'd
> > worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring
> > deeper
> > or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > Tom wrote:
> > > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > > Let me introduce myself:
> > > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> > > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a
> > cat-
> > > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> > > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> > constructed
> > > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> > > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> > > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> > > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> > > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> > >
> > > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25
> > years, I
> > > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> > > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> > > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> > > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> > >
> > > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a
> > sloop
> > > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> > > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> > > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting.
> > Part of
> > > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main,
> > but I
> > > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> > > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> > > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> > > systems.
> > >
> > > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am
> > open
> > > to all suggestions.
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
All I can say Tom, is I suspect you are likely the only person here that
has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that makes you
the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
speculation. Doug
the doctor wrote:
has tried sailed an AS 29 in high winds and big seas so that makes you
the expert in those conditions. Anything I have had to say is pure
speculation. Doug
the doctor wrote:
>
>
> Won't know unless you try !!!
>
> doc
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett /<pcrockett@...>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Patrick Crockett <pcrockett@...>
> Subject: Re: [bolger] New Member Saying Hi
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 11:49 AM
>
>
> Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I
> would be
> nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this
> case I'd
> worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring
> deeper
> or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
>
> Patrick
>
> Tom wrote:
> > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > Let me introduce myself:
> > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a
> cat-
> > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and
> constructed
> > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> >
> > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25
> years, I
> > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> >
> > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a
> sloop
> > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting.
> Part of
> > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main,
> but I
> > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> > systems.
> >
> > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am
> open
> > to all suggestions.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
>
>
>
Won't know unless you try !!! doc --- OnSun, 12/20/09, Patrick Crockett<pcrockett@...>wrote:
|
Wouldn't it be enough to add a bowsprit and small flying jib? I would be
nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this case I'd
worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring deeper
or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
Patrick
Tom wrote:
nervous making radical changes from a designer's rig -- in this case I'd
worry that a sloop rig would be too tall for the boat, requiring deeper
or more ballast and then a whole slew of changes would ensue.
Patrick
Tom wrote:
> Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> Let me introduce myself:
> I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a cat-
> ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and constructed
> one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
>
> My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25 years, I
> have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
>
> I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a sloop
> using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting. Part of
> the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main, but I
> think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> systems.
>
> I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am open
> to all suggestions.
>
> Tom
>
>
Sorry left out Hi and welcome aboard, in the previous post. :-)
Doug
Douglas Pollard wrote:
Doug
Douglas Pollard wrote:
> lancefgunderson wrote:
>
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "Tom"
>> <tomseigler@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
>>> Let me introduce myself:
>>> I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
>>> cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a cat-
>>> ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
>>> sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
>>> living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and constructed
>>> one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
>>> sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
>>> with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
>>> stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
>>> about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
>>>
>>> My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25 years, I
>>> have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
>>> sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
>>> have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
>>> repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
>>>
>>> I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
>>> sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a sloop
>>> using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
>>> balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
>>> that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
>>> forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting. Part of
>>> the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main, but I
>>> think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
>>> the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
>>> she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
>>> systems.
>>>
>>> I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am open
>>> to all suggestions.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>> I should think that 14' of standing headroom contributed to the
>> windage problem.
>>
>>
>>
> I would consider making that sloops main use a sprite boom she will be
> closer winded unless you put shrouds on her. Then to get hard to
> windward you may need a boom Vang. The sprite rig archives the same
> thing it pulls the curl out of the sail allowing the entire sail top and
> bottom to pull to windward. A standard jib will back wind a sprit boom
> main because the main can sail farther off the a regular main. I would
> add a sprite or bow to the jib to keep it from back winding the main.
> With these sprite rigs you will get more drive and less heeling because
> you will sail with the sheets slacked a little,even hard on the wind.
> This is the only way I know of, to get the same drive or better to
> windward with out highly tuned standing rigging. Give this some thought
> if you haven't already done so.
> Doug
>
>
>
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lancefgunderson wrote:
closer winded unless you put shrouds on her. Then to get hard to
windward you may need a boom Vang. The sprite rig archives the same
thing it pulls the curl out of the sail allowing the entire sail top and
bottom to pull to windward. A standard jib will back wind a sprit boom
main because the main can sail farther off the a regular main. I would
add a sprite or bow to the jib to keep it from back winding the main.
With these sprite rigs you will get more drive and less heeling because
you will sail with the sheets slacked a little,even hard on the wind.
This is the only way I know of, to get the same drive or better to
windward with out highly tuned standing rigging. Give this some thought
if you haven't already done so.
Doug
>I would consider making that sloops main use a sprite boom she will be
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, "Tom"
> <tomseigler@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> > Let me introduce myself:
> > I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> > cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a cat-
> > ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> > sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> > living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and constructed
> > one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> > sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> > with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> > stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> > about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
> >
> > My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25 years, I
> > have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> > sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> > have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> > repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
> >
> > I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> > sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a sloop
> > using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> > balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> > that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> > forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting. Part of
> > the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main, but I
> > think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> > the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> > she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> > systems.
> >
> > I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am open
> > to all suggestions.
> >
> > Tom
> >
>
> I should think that 14' of standing headroom contributed to the
> windage problem.
>
>
closer winded unless you put shrouds on her. Then to get hard to
windward you may need a boom Vang. The sprite rig archives the same
thing it pulls the curl out of the sail allowing the entire sail top and
bottom to pull to windward. A standard jib will back wind a sprit boom
main because the main can sail farther off the a regular main. I would
add a sprite or bow to the jib to keep it from back winding the main.
With these sprite rigs you will get more drive and less heeling because
you will sail with the sheets slacked a little,even hard on the wind.
This is the only way I know of, to get the same drive or better to
windward with out highly tuned standing rigging. Give this some thought
if you haven't already done so.
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Tom" <tomseigler@...> wrote:
>I should think that 14' of standing headroom contributed to the windage problem.
> Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
> Let me introduce myself:
> I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
> cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a cat-
> ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
> sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
> living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and constructed
> one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
> sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
> with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
> stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
> about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
>
> My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25 years, I
> have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
> sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
> have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
> repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
>
> I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
> sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a sloop
> using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
> balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
> that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
> forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting. Part of
> the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main, but I
> think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
> the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
> she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
> systems.
>
> I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am open
> to all suggestions.
>
> Tom
>
Hello. Thanks for letting me into your group.
Let me introduce myself:
I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a cat-
ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and constructed
one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25 years, I
have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a sloop
using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting. Part of
the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main, but I
think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
systems.
I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am open
to all suggestions.
Tom
Let me introduce myself:
I own a modified AS 29. It is 32', has an offset swing-keel, a full
cabin, and is solid fiberglass. When I bought the boat, it was a cat-
ketch rig with a full battened, large roach mainsail and a small
sloping cabin. After cruising from the Chesapeake to the Keys and
living aboard for 18 months, we cut the cabin top out and constructed
one that gives 14' of standing headroom. We also insulated the hull
sides with beveled panels of polyurethane foam and glassed over them
with four layers of DBM. At that point, I got a divorce. The rework
stopped, and I have been dragging the unfinished project around for
about 4 years. It is now time to finish it.
My experience with boats is quite extensive. Over the past 25 years, I
have lived aboard various boats for 15 years, been a professional
sailing captain doing yacht deliveries and running corporate boats,
have worked on both sail and power boats, and managed a large yacht
repair yard in Seabrook, TX.
I'm making several changes to the boat based on the 18 months of
sailing and living aboard her. The biggest is to re-rig her as a sloop
using the original full battened main and adding a headsail for
balance. We had her in 35 knot winds out in the Atlantic and found
that she wanted to round-up because we couldn't get enough effort
forward. In the 8-10 ft seas, that was a little disconcerting. Part of
the problem was with the lack of a third reef point in the main, but I
think the windage of the mizzen was a contributing factor along with
the lack of a headsail. Aside from that little quirk, I love the way
she sails and so most of the changes are to the interior layout and
systems.
I look forward to sharing whatever information I may have and am open
to all suggestions.
Tom