Re: [bolger] Re:Buying plans
No, they do not work through Paypal.
On Jan 10, 2010, at 4:24 PM, ANDREW AIREY wrote:
> Does anybody know if PCB&F takes Paypal payments.I want to buy some
> plans but am a little bit wary of sending cash through the post(I
> live in the UK) and any other method of sending money seems
> inordinately expensive.I have emailed Susanne about this but not had
> a reply,maybe she's still getting the company back on track
> cheers
> Andy Airey
>
> Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Hi Andy,
Being from Canada, I sent a money order in US funds made out to PCB
and Friends. This cost me $6, plus the exchange rate, to have made up
at my local bank.
RonB.
Being from Canada, I sent a money order in US funds made out to PCB
and Friends. This cost me $6, plus the exchange rate, to have made up
at my local bank.
RonB.
On 10-Jan-10, at 1:24 PM, ANDREW AIREY wrote:
> Does anybody know if PCB&F takes Paypal payments.I want to buy some
> plans but am a little bit wary of sending cash through the post(I
> live in the UK) and any other method of sending money seems
> inordinately expensive.I have emailed Susanne about this but not had
> a reply,maybe she's still getting the company back on track
> cheers
> Andy Airey
>
> Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Does anybody know if PCB&F takes Paypal payments.I want to buy some plans but am a little bit wary of sending cash through the post(I live in the UK) and any other method of sending money seems inordinately expensive.I have emailed Susanne about this but not had a reply,maybe she's still getting the company back on track
cheers
Andy Airey
Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
cheers
Andy Airey
Send instant messages to your online friendshttp://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
On Jan 10, 2010, at 6:13 AM, haffdaddy wrote:
way you've been treated here.
(It's a freakin' row boat, not the Queen Mary. You get a couple of
pages of blue prints with all dimensions, a page or two of building
notes and the possibility of getting any questions answered by the
designer. It's a measley $40. Spend it or don't, but stop whining
about it.)
It's the fact that you are an insensitive ass that influenced the way
you've been treated here.
> Rick: I asked you folks about what I would get for my $40.00. SomeNo, it is not the fact that you asked a question that influenced the
> one could have stepped up to the plate and said. In the package you
> will find X numbers of sheets of plans and they are X size. But know
> one would help me and started saying that I was a bad person for
> even asking the question.
way you've been treated here.
(It's a freakin' row boat, not the Queen Mary. You get a couple of
pages of blue prints with all dimensions, a page or two of building
notes and the possibility of getting any questions answered by the
designer. It's a measley $40. Spend it or don't, but stop whining
about it.)
It's the fact that you are an insensitive ass that influenced the way
you've been treated here.
On Jan 10, 2010, at 5:49 AM, haffdaddy wrote:
> As Mr Bolger seem to be of a weak mind, perhaps his designs should
> be checked for soundness. Normal people don't get up one day and
> blow there brains all over the ceiling and walls.
> Greg
Do you think Susanne needs to come upon a jerk like you here?
Moderator -- does this not constitute behavior worthy of banning?
DGC
Typo! I meant Mike and Rick's comments.
Gary
Gary
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "gary" <gbship@...> wrote:
>
> Think of it like buying a movie or theater ticket. The purchase entitles you to one performance or viewing. Likewise, buying the plans entitles you to one "performance" of building the boat. The only difference is the designer doesn't visit you and rip the plans in half when your done. Most tickets don't say, unless it's in very fine print, that you're only entitled to one performance, but we all know it. The concept is called intellectual property. And it's important because it's how creative and innovative people make their living. Yes, you can build more than one boat from a set of plans and it's very unlikely anything bad will happen or you'll even be caught. But it's wrong, illegal, and unethical.
>
> Bolger certainly knew of this possibility. In Small Boats he notes that a commercial builder with "elastic ethics" produced fiberglass Gloucester Light Dories using one of the plywood ones for a mold.
>
> As for other matters related to this thread, I heartily endorse Mike and Eric's comments.
>
> Gary
>
Think of it like buying a movie or theater ticket. The purchase entitles you to one performance or viewing. Likewise, buying the plans entitles you to one "performance" of building the boat. The only difference is the designer doesn't visit you and rip the plans in half when your done. Most tickets don't say, unless it's in very fine print, that you're only entitled to one performance, but we all know it. The concept is called intellectual property. And it's important because it's how creative and innovative people make their living. Yes, you can build more than one boat from a set of plans and it's very unlikely anything bad will happen or you'll even be caught. But it's wrong, illegal, and unethical.
Bolger certainly knew of this possibility. In Small Boats he notes that a commercial builder with "elastic ethics" produced fiberglass Gloucester Light Dories using one of the plywood ones for a mold.
As for other matters related to this thread, I heartily endorse Mike and Eric's comments.
Gary
Bolger certainly knew of this possibility. In Small Boats he notes that a commercial builder with "elastic ethics" produced fiberglass Gloucester Light Dories using one of the plywood ones for a mold.
As for other matters related to this thread, I heartily endorse Mike and Eric's comments.
Gary
Eighteen years ago I sent Phil Bolger a letter about low power planing boats and referencing an article from Small Boat Journal on the panga boats from the west coast of Mexico. He sent a very curtious and thoughtful reply and included a blueprint of his power yawl. He said if I ever built the boat, could I please send him $35, otherwise not to bother if I didn't build it.
Unfortunately, I developed chronic fatigue syndrome and the boat never was built; however, that letter and those plans inspired me to design boats for my own enjoyment. It was a way of coping with my chronic fatigue, something I could do while the world around me existed in a fog. I always felt I owed Phil at least double what he had asked for for the power yawl plans and I regret I never wrote him and let him know what a large impact he had on my life. I will send Susanne double what he had asked me. It's the least I can do.
Fred
Firstly, I've never seen any of Phil's plans that
didn't state "to build one boat", up front. But more to the point, this
discussion seems to be purely academic, because I can't imagine anyone wanting
to build the same boat twice. Boatbuilding is a hobby not some kind of
economic model intended to be optimized. I've built eleven boats and I
don't want or intend to build any of them again.
So Greg, buy the plans, build the boat and if after
that you still want to build another of the same design, then let's have this
debate.
Furthermore, I take strong issue regarding you
tasteless, insensitive remarks regarding Phil Bolger's death. First you
judge the fees he charges for his designs and then you take the license to judge
his life. You didn't know him. It's none of your business how he
lived or died. I think you owe Phil, his wife and family and
this group an apology.
Rick
So good to hear. I think Susanne could do very well, and promote Phil's legacy properly by opening it up just a little bit more in line with today's market. Nothing crazy, just a website and a list. Email would be great too but not an absolute necessity.
- Eddie B.
- Eddie B.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <sn1834@...> wrote:
>
> Update. Susanne has been in contact with me and the wheels are in
> motion.
>
> RonB.
>
>
> On 8-Jan-10, at 5:09 PM, Ron Badley wrote:
>
> > Lots to be said for the new ways of doing business too.
> >
> > As a matter of fact I would like to get started building right away.
> > I've been trying to buy the plans since August.
> >
> > At this stage I'm talking with another designer about a semi custom
> > plan. I would like the Dakota plans as a reference because it's the
> > boat that inspired the idea.
> >
> > I've bought plans from PCB in the past. Plans for Tennessee. I asked
> > this group how much they though the plans were and got some good
> > answers. I sent Phil a check for that amount and a couple weeks later
> > the plans arrived with a nice note stating that the sum was close
> > enough.
> >
> > ....I'm just trying to buy some boat plans here guys.
> >
> > RonB.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8-Jan-10, at 4:28 PM, John A. Little wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business.
> >> After all, are we going to start building next week and are already
> >> paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we
> >> be boat people if not? :D
> >>
> >> $0.02
> >>
> >> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: hallman@...
> >> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
> >> Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@...>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I found someone to send a fax for me.
> >>
> >> I ditto what Harry said.
> >>
> >> Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> > dead horses
> > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > posts
> > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> > Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>
I've spent over $100 for kayak plans, $40 is dirt cheap. And the kayak plans as well as all other plans I've ever seen have the same restriction of it being a license for one boat. You can barely print the plans and send them for that price with no profit at all.
Bill H.
Bill H.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <sn1834@...> wrote:
>
> Think of it this way... Your not buying pieces of paper. You are
> buying the rights to build one boat.
>
> Inexpensive plans are inexpensive because the designer hopes to sell
> many of them. It's easy to invest several hundred hours into a design.
> This investment is repaid in numerous plan sales. Even then, I doubt
> it's a living for many designers.
>
> Any stock plans are a bargain. Ever priced out a custom design? A
> $40 set of plans is a real deal. A good bottle of wine cost more then
> that. Refills aren't free either!
>
> RonB.
>
>
>
>
> On 9-Jan-10, at 10:55 AM, the doctor wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I have read all the posts about plans with interest.
> >
> > IMHO,,, I don't see how a designer can sell plans and not expect
> > them to be used multiple times by individual builders. It's
> > uncontrolable unless the 'guvmint' decided that homebuilts had to be
> > registered in a way to control the use of plans and we certainly
> > don't need any more of that than we already have.!!!!!
> >
> > doc
>
Gene T. Nailed it on the head. It takes a lot of work to design a good boat, and to see someone else profit off of that work is as close to theft as you can get. One or two boats and that's about all anyone should expect to build off of a set of plans. That's standard for just about all designers I believe.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Gene Tehansky <goldranger02-boats@...> wrote:
>
> Doc,
> I think the main reason for the restriction is to prevent somebody
> from going into production with their boat plan. Ones and twos can't
> be policed but a company producing boats could be shut down.
>
> Sincerely,
> Gene T.
>
>
> On 9 Jan, 2010, at 1:55 PM, the doctor wrote:
>
> >
> > I have read all the posts about plans with interest.
> >
> > IMHO,,, I don't see how a designer can sell plans and not expect
> > them to be used multiple times by individual builders. It's
> > uncontrolable unless the 'guvmint' decided that homebuilts had to be
> > registered in a way to control the use of plans and we certainly
> > don't need any more of that than we already have.!!!!!
> >
> > doc
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/9/10, Ron Badley <sn1834@...> wrote:
> >
> > From: Ron Badley <sn1834@...>
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Buying plans
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:24 PM
> >
> >
> > Update. Susanne has been in contact with me and the wheels are in
> > motion.
> >
> > RonB.
> >
> > On 8-Jan-10, at 5:09 PM, Ron Badley wrote:
> >
> > > Lots to be said for the new ways of doing business too.
> > >
> > > As a matter of fact I would like to get started building right away.
> > > I've been trying to buy the plans since August.
> > >
> > > At this stage I'm talking with another designer about a semi custom
> > > plan. I would like the Dakota plans as a reference because it's the
> > > boat that inspired the idea.
> > >
> > > I've bought plans from PCB in the past. Plans for Tennessee. I asked
> > > this group how much they though the plans were and got some good
> > > answers. I sent Phil a check for that amount and a couple weeks
> > later
> > > the plans arrived with a nice note stating that the sum was close
> > > enough.
> > >
> > > ....I'm just trying to buy some boat plans here guys.
> > >
> > > RonB.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 8-Jan-10, at 4:28 PM, John A. Little wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business.
> > >> After all, are we going to start building next week and are already
> > >> paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we
> > >> be boat people if not? :D
> > >>
> > >> $0.02
> > >>
> > >> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
> > >> From: hallman@gmail. com
> > >> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
> > >> Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@uniserve. com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I found someone to send a fax for me.
> > >>
> > >> I ditto what Harry said.
> > >>
> > >> Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the
> > past.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------ --------- --------- ------
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> > > - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> > > dead horses
> > > - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> > > posts
> > > - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> > > - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> > > Fax: (978) 282-1349
> > > - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups. com
> > > - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_ lounge-subscribe @yahoogroups. com
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Doc,
I think the main reason for the restriction is to prevent somebody from going into production with their boat plan. Ones and twos can't be policed but a company producing boats could be shut down.
Sincerely,
Gene T.
On 9 Jan, 2010, at 1:55 PM, the doctor wrote:
--- On Sat, 1/9/10, Ron Badley <sn1834@uniserve. com> wrote:
From: Ron Badley <sn1834@uniserve. com>
Subject: Re: [bolger] Buying plans
To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, January 9, 2010, 12:24 PMUpdate. Susanne has been in contact with me and the wheels are in
motion.
RonB.
On 8-Jan-10, at 5:09 PM, Ron Badley wrote:
> Lots to be said for the new ways of doing business too.
>
> As a matter of fact I would like to get started building right away.
> I've been trying to buy the plans since August.
>
> At this stage I'm talking with another designer about a semi custom
> plan. I would like the Dakota plans as a reference because it's the
> boat that inspired the idea.
>
> I've bought plans from PCB in the past. Plans for Tennessee. I asked
> this group how much they though the plans were and got some good
> answers. I sent Phil a check for that amount and a couple weeks later
> the plans arrived with a nice note stating that the sum was close
> enough.
>
> ....I'm just trying to buy some boat plans here guys.
>
> RonB.
>
>
>
> On 8-Jan-10, at 4:28 PM, John A. Little wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business.
>> After all, are we going to start building next week and are already
>> paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we
>> be boat people if not? :D
>>
>> $0.02
>>
>> To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
>> From: hallman@gmail. com
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@uniserve. com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found someone to send a fax for me.
>>
>> I ditto what Harry said.
>>
>> Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe: bolger-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups. com
> - Open discussion: bolger_coffee_ lounge-subscribe @yahoogroups. com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Think of it this way... Your not buying pieces of paper. You are
buying the rights to build one boat.
Inexpensive plans are inexpensive because the designer hopes to sell
many of them. It's easy to invest several hundred hours into a design.
This investment is repaid in numerous plan sales. Even then, I doubt
it's a living for many designers.
Any stock plans are a bargain. Ever priced out a custom design? A
$40 set of plans is a real deal. A good bottle of wine cost more then
that. Refills aren't free either!
RonB.
buying the rights to build one boat.
Inexpensive plans are inexpensive because the designer hopes to sell
many of them. It's easy to invest several hundred hours into a design.
This investment is repaid in numerous plan sales. Even then, I doubt
it's a living for many designers.
Any stock plans are a bargain. Ever priced out a custom design? A
$40 set of plans is a real deal. A good bottle of wine cost more then
that. Refills aren't free either!
RonB.
On 9-Jan-10, at 10:55 AM, the doctor wrote:
>
>
> I have read all the posts about plans with interest.
>
> IMHO,,, I don't see how a designer can sell plans and not expect
> them to be used multiple times by individual builders. It's
> uncontrolable unless the 'guvmint' decided that homebuilts had to be
> registered in a way to control the use of plans and we certainly
> don't need any more of that than we already have.!!!!!
>
> doc
I have read all the posts about plans with interest. IMHO,,, I don't see how a designer can sell plans and not expect them to be used multiple times by individual builders. It's uncontrolable unless the 'guvmint' decided that homebuilts had to be registered in a way to control the use of plans and we certainly don't need any more of that than we already have.!!!!! doc --- OnSat, 1/9/10, Ron Badley<sn1834@...>wrote:
|
Update. Susanne has been in contact with me and the wheels are in
motion.
RonB.
motion.
RonB.
On 8-Jan-10, at 5:09 PM, Ron Badley wrote:
> Lots to be said for the new ways of doing business too.
>
> As a matter of fact I would like to get started building right away.
> I've been trying to buy the plans since August.
>
> At this stage I'm talking with another designer about a semi custom
> plan. I would like the Dakota plans as a reference because it's the
> boat that inspired the idea.
>
> I've bought plans from PCB in the past. Plans for Tennessee. I asked
> this group how much they though the plans were and got some good
> answers. I sent Phil a check for that amount and a couple weeks later
> the plans arrived with a nice note stating that the sum was close
> enough.
>
> ....I'm just trying to buy some boat plans here guys.
>
> RonB.
>
>
>
> On 8-Jan-10, at 4:28 PM, John A. Little wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business.
>> After all, are we going to start building next week and are already
>> paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we
>> be boat people if not? :D
>>
>> $0.02
>>
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> From:hallman@...
>> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I found someone to send a fax for me.
>>
>> I ditto what Harry said.
>>
>> Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
If the plans cost $40 i doubt there is any money to be made. If support for the build is included every set of plans mailed is a money looser. We all have to eat.
-----Original Message-----
From: John A. Little <jlittl@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 7:28 pm
Subject: RE: [bolger] Wyoming plans
From: John A. Little <jlittl@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2010 7:28 pm
Subject: RE: [bolger] Wyoming plans
There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business. After all, are we going to start building next week and are already paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we be boat people if not? :D
$0.02
To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
From: hallman@gmail. com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
$0.02
To: bolger@yahoogroups. com
From: hallman@gmail. com
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@uniserve. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I found someone to send a fax for me.
I ditto what Harry said.
Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
Lots to be said for the new ways of doing business too.
As a matter of fact I would like to get started building right away.
I've been trying to buy the plans since August.
At this stage I'm talking with another designer about a semi custom
plan. I would like the Dakota plans as a reference because it's the
boat that inspired the idea.
I've bought plans from PCB in the past. Plans for Tennessee. I asked
this group how much they though the plans were and got some good
answers. I sent Phil a check for that amount and a couple weeks later
the plans arrived with a nice note stating that the sum was close
enough.
....I'm just trying to buy some boat plans here guys.
RonB.
As a matter of fact I would like to get started building right away.
I've been trying to buy the plans since August.
At this stage I'm talking with another designer about a semi custom
plan. I would like the Dakota plans as a reference because it's the
boat that inspired the idea.
I've bought plans from PCB in the past. Plans for Tennessee. I asked
this group how much they though the plans were and got some good
answers. I sent Phil a check for that amount and a couple weeks later
the plans arrived with a nice note stating that the sum was close
enough.
....I'm just trying to buy some boat plans here guys.
RonB.
On 8-Jan-10, at 4:28 PM, John A. Little wrote:
>
>
> There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business.
> After all, are we going to start building next week and are already
> paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we
> be boat people if not? :D
>
> $0.02
>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> From:hallman@...
> Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I found someone to send a fax for me.
>
> I ditto what Harry said.
>
> Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
>
>
>
>
There is something to be said for the old ways of doing business. After all, are we going to start building next week and are already paying a construction crew? Nah. Life is meant to be slow. Would we be boat people if not? :D
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To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: hallman@...
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
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To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: hallman@...
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:49:47 -0800
Subject: Re: [bolger] Wyoming plans
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@uniserve. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I found someone to send a fax for me.
I ditto what Harry said.
Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
That has been my experience as well.
How can one send the money when there is no place to locate the price,
or whether the plans are actually still available? In my case Storm
Petrel. So I just gave up and moved to another plan from a seller who
has all the information on-line.
Nels
How can one send the money when there is no place to locate the price,
or whether the plans are actually still available? In my case Storm
Petrel. So I just gave up and moved to another plan from a seller who
has all the information on-line.
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ron Badley <sn1834@...> wrote:
>I'm willing to take the chance of sending a check,
> but I just need an amount! This is frustrating.
>
> RonB.
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Ron Badley <sn1834@...> wrote:
Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
>I ditto what Harry said.
>
>
> I found someone to send a fax for me.
Patience polite plain paper postal mail has worked best in the past.
I found someone to send a fax for me. We'll see what happens.
Yes, I'm fully aware of Phil's passing.
RonB.
Yes, I'm fully aware of Phil's passing.
RonB.
Bolger & Friends have never done business via e-mail.
They have always done business via snail mail or fax.
I suggest that if finding a fax machine is not possible, you drop a
line via snail mail.
In case you are unaware, please note that Phil Bolger passed away a
few months ago, and in addition to what surely is still a difficult
personal time, his partner is still setting up how she will keep the
business going with him gone.
DGC
They have always done business via snail mail or fax.
I suggest that if finding a fax machine is not possible, you drop a
line via snail mail.
In case you are unaware, please note that Phil Bolger passed away a
few months ago, and in addition to what surely is still a difficult
personal time, his partner is still setting up how she will keep the
business going with him gone.
DGC
On Jan 8, 2010, at 4:38 PM, Ron Badley wrote:
> That's great but what if you live in a rural area and don't have
> easy access to fax machine? And, no way to get a return fax? What kind
> of support is available if you can't even buy the plans? I've sent 3
> emails offering to send money for Dakota plans. All I want them for is
> for study purposes. I'm willing to take the chance of sending a check,
> but I just need an amount! This is frustrating.
>
> RonB.
>
> On 8-Jan-10, at 1:02 PM, D.G. Cassidy wrote:
>
>>> Philip Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930
>>
>>> Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>
>> Fax is generally thought to be the quickest way.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:39 PM, eddie wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone know how I could go about getting my hands on the plans for
>>> the gigantic Wyoming? Anyone having any luck getting any plans from
>>> PB&F?
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
Send a letter, has worked well for me.
HJ
Ron Badley wrote:
HJ
Ron Badley wrote:
> That's great but what if you live in a rural area and don't have
> easy access to fax machine? And, no way to get a return fax? What kind
> of support is available if you can't even buy the plans? I've sent 3
> emails offering to send money for Dakota plans. All I want them for is
> for study purposes. I'm willing to take the chance of sending a check,
> but I just need an amount! This is frustrating.
>
> RonB.
>
> On 8-Jan-10, at 1:02 PM, D.G. Cassidy wrote:
>
>
>>> Philip Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930
>>>
>>> Fax: (978) 282-1349
>>>
>> Fax is generally thought to be the quickest way.
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:39 PM, eddie wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Anyone know how I could go about getting my hands on the plans for
>>> the gigantic Wyoming? Anyone having any luck getting any plans from
>>> PB&F?
>>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
That's great but what if you live in a rural area and don't have
easy access to fax machine? And, no way to get a return fax? What kind
of support is available if you can't even buy the plans? I've sent 3
emails offering to send money for Dakota plans. All I want them for is
for study purposes. I'm willing to take the chance of sending a check,
but I just need an amount! This is frustrating.
RonB.
easy access to fax machine? And, no way to get a return fax? What kind
of support is available if you can't even buy the plans? I've sent 3
emails offering to send money for Dakota plans. All I want them for is
for study purposes. I'm willing to take the chance of sending a check,
but I just need an amount! This is frustrating.
RonB.
On 8-Jan-10, at 1:02 PM, D.G. Cassidy wrote:
>> Philip Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930
>
>> Fax: (978) 282-1349
>
> Fax is generally thought to be the quickest way.
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:39 PM, eddie wrote:
>
>> Anyone know how I could go about getting my hands on the plans for
>> the gigantic Wyoming? Anyone having any luck getting any plans from
>> PB&F?
>
Thank you.--- OnFri, 1/8/10, D.G.. Cassidy<d.cassidy@...>wrote: |
> Philip Bolger & Friends, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930Fax is generally thought to be the quickest way.
> Fax: (978) 282-1349
On Jan 8, 2010, at 3:39 PM, eddie wrote:
> Anyone know how I could go about getting my hands on the plans for
> the gigantic Wyoming? Anyone having any luck getting any plans from
> PB&F?
Anyone know how I could go about getting my hands on the plans for the gigantic Wyoming? Anyone having any luck getting any plans from PB&F?