Re: [bolger] Re: Fiji Design
> I think it took Tahiti's builder only a couple of years to get her in the water (without the interior fully finished or the windows installed)I am curious about the status of Tahiti, having never heard of her
launch. As a fellow 'multi-year' builder of a "big boat", I am full
of empathy.
Hi Don,
Fiji, Tahiti, and perhaps others (our abandoned commission included) are interesting in that the bottom and side panels are built up over a jig, laminated to their final thickness and curvature to form single large panels. These large pieces are then assembled around the bulkheads to make the hull. I've seen some photos of Tahiti's construction, and the process worked for a retired Navy guy working alone, mostly full time, outdoors, in Florida.
I think it took Tahiti's builder only a couple of years to get her in the water (without the interior fully finished or the windows installed), but I would have to look again to be sure. A builder working part time and with significant seasonal considerations (me, for instance), would take considerably longer to reach the same point. Fiji is also more complex, having all the additional structure and components that go with her sailing rig.
My wild guess is that Fiji would take at least 3x as long to build as LM II, and 2x the Le Cabotin variant, for a given builder.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com
> Not from MAIB but BDQThere was also a "Bolger on Design" writeup, possibly in more than one installment, in MAIB about Fiji. The MAIB writeup is useful for anyone considering such a large undertaking because it describes the building process in some detail.
Fiji, Tahiti, and perhaps others (our abandoned commission included) are interesting in that the bottom and side panels are built up over a jig, laminated to their final thickness and curvature to form single large panels. These large pieces are then assembled around the bulkheads to make the hull. I've seen some photos of Tahiti's construction, and the process worked for a retired Navy guy working alone, mostly full time, outdoors, in Florida.
I think it took Tahiti's builder only a couple of years to get her in the water (without the interior fully finished or the windows installed), but I would have to look again to be sure. A builder working part time and with significant seasonal considerations (me, for instance), would take considerably longer to reach the same point. Fiji is also more complex, having all the additional structure and components that go with her sailing rig.
My wild guess is that Fiji would take at least 3x as long to build as LM II, and 2x the Le Cabotin variant, for a given builder.
Jon Kolb
www.kolbsadventures.com
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "djdecker2002" <djdecker2002@...> wrote:
Fiji's writeup in MAIB was very thorough, and apparently mostly penned by Suzanne...
-Derek
>I just looked it up - minimum charge for copies is $5 for up to 5 articles, each article copied after that is an additional $1.
>
> Bob Hicks, editor of Messing About in Boats, will gladly copy those MAIB articles for you and mail them to you. Er, well, maybe he'll grumble a little bit, as he has to physically locate paper copies of those issues and xerox them by hand. There's a small charge for this service - I don't recall offhand how much.
>
Fiji's writeup in MAIB was very thorough, and apparently mostly penned by Suzanne...
-Derek
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "templeagogo" <jlittl@...> wrote:
Contact information would be:
Bob Hicks
Messing About In Boats
29 Burley St
Wenham MA, 01984-1943
978-774-0906, 7-10 am, or 5-9pm (maybe)
Phil Bolger famously never published his telephone number - telephones are, after all, infernal devices that allow anyone on the planet to interrupt you whenever the hell they want to. Who would possibly want such a thing?!
Bob Hicks has a telephone, but no answering machine, so you'll have to catch him when he's in the office.
I look forward to the day when I, too, can no longer be so "connected".
-Derek
>Bob Hicks, editor of Messing About in Boats, will gladly copy those MAIB articles for you and mail them to you. Er, well, maybe he'll grumble a little bit, as he has to physically locate paper copies of those issues and xerox them by hand. There's a small charge for this service - I don't recall offhand how much.
> Hi, All,
>
> I think the Fiji design may hold more interest for our needs than the AS-39, but I need the references to study it out. Does anyone have a copy of these and/or can study plans be ordered from PB&F?
> "Plywood box-cutwater sharpie bluewater cruiser, Chinese gaff yawl rig in tabernacles, centerboard, dual outboard rudders. Ref: BDQ#22, MAIB v20#10,MAIB v20#11,MAIB v20#12,MAIB v20#17"
Contact information would be:
Bob Hicks
Messing About In Boats
29 Burley St
Wenham MA, 01984-1943
978-774-0906, 7-10 am, or 5-9pm (maybe)
Phil Bolger famously never published his telephone number - telephones are, after all, infernal devices that allow anyone on the planet to interrupt you whenever the hell they want to. Who would possibly want such a thing?!
Bob Hicks has a telephone, but no answering machine, so you'll have to catch him when he's in the office.
I look forward to the day when I, too, can no longer be so "connected".
-Derek
Not from MAIB but BDQ
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Fiji%20Yawl/>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...>
wrote:
much of the info you want. I remember reading the article. There is
also a power 'sister' boat named Tahiti similar in construction, and
related in design. Both make much sense from Bolger's description.
explored all the searching capability of Yahoo in these groups.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Fiji%20Yawl/>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz2000" <daschultz8275@...>
wrote:
>Somewhere among them is a scan of an MAIB article about Figi, which has
>
> There are several Bolger groups each with pictures and files folders.
much of the info you want. I remember reading the article. There is
also a power 'sister' boat named Tahiti similar in construction, and
related in design. Both make much sense from Bolger's description.
>isn't well organized nor does it seem to be searchable, though I've not
> Unfortunately, the nature of these Yahoo groups is that such stuff
explored all the searching capability of Yahoo in these groups.
>
> Don
>
There are several Bolger groups each with pictures and files folders. Somewhere among them is a scan of an MAIB article about Figi, which has much of the info you want. I remember reading the article. There is also a power 'sister' boat named Tahiti similar in construction, and related in design. Both make much sense from Bolger's description.
Unfortunately, the nature of these Yahoo groups is that such stuff isn't well organized nor does it seem to be searchable, though I've not explored all the searching capability of Yahoo in these groups.
Don
Unfortunately, the nature of these Yahoo groups is that such stuff isn't well organized nor does it seem to be searchable, though I've not explored all the searching capability of Yahoo in these groups.
Don
Hi, All,
I think the Fiji design may hold more interest for our needs than the AS-39, but I need the references to study it out. Does anyone have a copy of these and/or can study plans be ordered from PB&F?
"Plywood box-cutwater sharpie bluewater cruiser, Chinese gaff yawl rig in tabernacles, centerboard, dual outboard rudders. Ref: BDQ#22, MAIB v20#10,MAIB v20#11,MAIB v20#12,MAIB v20#17"
Thanks,
- John
I think the Fiji design may hold more interest for our needs than the AS-39, but I need the references to study it out. Does anyone have a copy of these and/or can study plans be ordered from PB&F?
"Plywood box-cutwater sharpie bluewater cruiser, Chinese gaff yawl rig in tabernacles, centerboard, dual outboard rudders. Ref: BDQ#22, MAIB v20#10,MAIB v20#11,MAIB v20#12,MAIB v20#17"
Thanks,
- John