Re: [bolger] Re: any words from PB&F
SORRY, THIS IS BEING DONE ON A REGULAR CELL PHONE. DON'T OWN A COMPUTER AT PRESENT.
I AM A DIABETIC SO CAN NOT ALWAYS ABLE FEEL IF I HAVE PUSHED BUTTONS OR NOT. I HAD A SMALL STROKE A LITTLE WHILE AGO. SO FOR THE MOST PART IT IS EASIER FOR ME TO PUT THE LOCK ON AND DO AS BEST I AM ABLE. IF IT BOTHERS YOU, JUST RELAX. WITH TIME THE USE AND FEELING IN MY FINGERS IS GETTING BETTER.
Fred
I AM A DIABETIC SO CAN NOT ALWAYS ABLE FEEL IF I HAVE PUSHED BUTTONS OR NOT. I HAD A SMALL STROKE A LITTLE WHILE AGO. SO FOR THE MOST PART IT IS EASIER FOR ME TO PUT THE LOCK ON AND DO AS BEST I AM ABLE. IF IT BOTHERS YOU, JUST RELAX. WITH TIME THE USE AND FEELING IN MY FINGERS IS GETTING BETTER.
Fred
On Fri Feb 12th, 2010 6:50 PM EST loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
>Hey Fred...
>
>Someone give you a shift key for your birthday?
>
>Bob
>
>
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Fred <derflingdol@...> wrote:
>>
>> I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
>> I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
>> FRED DOLLING
>>
>
>
Everybody is right. Now are you happy?
Heck, I thought PB&F had a silly business model when Bolger was alive. But it was his way of doing things. So I'm not surprised that things aren't moving quickly now.
In fact the volunteers on this list along with the efforts of builders who have maintained websites about their projects and completed boats have 'covered' for PB&F's marketing quirks for years.
Bolger was an interesting and fiercely independent fellow, married to a woman of similar bent. I don't agree w' S.A.'s approach but it is her decision.
So S.A. said recently she was starting to get moving, cashing checks and mailing plans. I wish her well, but don't expect PB&F to open a new commercial website anytime soon.
I'm not sure there is anything to be done about the situation from here. New people are going to read a book or find a website, find themselves thinking they want a set of plans, and start the cycle anew. Can't see a way to fix that, from here.
My thanks to the moderator for his efforts in a tough situation.
May I suggest the mail to address for plans 1.) Drop Phil Bolger's name, showing just PB&F?
Heck, I thought PB&F had a silly business model when Bolger was alive. But it was his way of doing things. So I'm not surprised that things aren't moving quickly now.
In fact the volunteers on this list along with the efforts of builders who have maintained websites about their projects and completed boats have 'covered' for PB&F's marketing quirks for years.
Bolger was an interesting and fiercely independent fellow, married to a woman of similar bent. I don't agree w' S.A.'s approach but it is her decision.
So S.A. said recently she was starting to get moving, cashing checks and mailing plans. I wish her well, but don't expect PB&F to open a new commercial website anytime soon.
I'm not sure there is anything to be done about the situation from here. New people are going to read a book or find a website, find themselves thinking they want a set of plans, and start the cycle anew. Can't see a way to fix that, from here.
My thanks to the moderator for his efforts in a tough situation.
May I suggest the mail to address for plans 1.) Drop Phil Bolger's name, showing just PB&F?
Mr. Cassidy,
After I read the post fromgraeme19121984I realized that my post was insensitive and for that I am sorry. But then, I am known to express my opinions, a counselor once told me I needed to do that more. I do understand and can emphasize with Susanne. I know from PERSONAL experience what it is like to suddenly be alone. I know what it is like to sleep on the couch because you can't stand to wake you in that bed again alone. I know from PERSONAL experience what it is like to have to sort through all of her things. I know from PERSONAL experience what it is like to run into someone who doesn't know and asks about her. I know from PERSONAL experience that the Sun will rise and life continues on. I know from PERSONAL experience that when all is said and done, you have to choose to live or choose not to live. I also know from PERSONAL experience that 99 out of 100 counselors aren't worth a $hit!
Up until this point, I have resisted responding to your diatribes. In this post I am attempting to respond respectfully to you. But then, "Since when are YOU thearbiter ofmy and others opinions? "You don't get to decide how someone elseexpresses THEIR opinions.
After I read the post fromgraeme19121984I realized that my post was insensitive and for that I am sorry. But then, I am known to express my opinions, a counselor once told me I needed to do that more. I do understand and can emphasize with Susanne. I know from PERSONAL experience what it is like to suddenly be alone. I know what it is like to sleep on the couch because you can't stand to wake you in that bed again alone. I know from PERSONAL experience what it is like to have to sort through all of her things. I know from PERSONAL experience what it is like to run into someone who doesn't know and asks about her. I know from PERSONAL experience that the Sun will rise and life continues on. I know from PERSONAL experience that when all is said and done, you have to choose to live or choose not to live. I also know from PERSONAL experience that 99 out of 100 counselors aren't worth a $hit!
Up until this point, I have resisted responding to your diatribes. In this post I am attempting to respond respectfully to you. But then, "Since when are YOU thearbiter ofmy and others opinions? "You don't get to decide how someone elseexpresses THEIR opinions.
John Boy
From:D.G. Cassidy <d.cassidy@...>
From:D.G. Cassidy <d.cassidy@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sun, February 14, 2010 9:21:23 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: any words from PB&F
Sent:Sun, February 14, 2010 9:21:23 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: any words from PB&F
And what constitutes the "reality of
life?"
Since when do YOU define the "standard cures for grief" (of which
there are none, btw -- we all grieve differently) ?
You don't get to decide how someone else runs their life, guys.
All you do is come off sounding unbelievably selfish and thoughtless.
Susanne has the right to do whatever the hell she wants with her life
-- and her business.
You DON'T have the right to build a Bolger-designed boat.
THAT is the "reality of life."
I am dumbfounded as to how self-centered a person has to be to put
their own desire to build a stupid little boat over the feelings of a
woman who has lost her life's mate?
DGC
On Feb 14, 2010, at 9:31 AM, otter55806 wrote:
> John Boy,
> I decided it's worth ticking some people off to let you know some of
> us agree with you. I've had several relatives whose spouses died of
> cancer, as young as 45. After several days off they had to go back
> to work, or they would have had to quit their jobs, which is not
> really an option, is it? That is the reality of life. One of the
> standard cures for grief of any type is to stay busy. The attitude
> of if you don't like what Susan is doing, or maybe I should say not
> doing, than buy someone else's plan is short sighted. I wish Phil
> was still here designing boats that I like to build. I've built two
> of his, micro trawler and bantam, and have the plans for another not
> built. But I've also built 7 other boats from other designers. I
> think you are right, that if people cannot get Bolger's plans they
> SHOULD go and build someone else's, and new builders who might have
> built a Bolger boat will end up building someone else's, Like
> Michelek (sp?)and there will be fewer and fewer people building and
> talking about Bolger boats; and I think that is a shame.
> Bob
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com, John Huft <t1ro2003@.. .> wrote:
>>
>> Why is a lack of response from Susanne and PB&F a problem for
>> people? Well, if you're like me and reading these posts than
>> you're a Bolgerista, you love the designs, and you love being on
>> the water. We want to buy the plans and smell the blue print
>> chemicals and dream of fair seas and safe passages. We want to
>> cipher and scheme and cut and plane. We want to watch the wood
>> chips and sawdust fly. We want to get our fingers stuck together
>> with resin and paint in our hair. We want to build.
>>
>> Well now, I've pondered a little about voicing my opinion. I'm not
>> known for keeping my mouth shut so here it is; at the
>> risk of pissing off the whole world I think its time for some good
>> ol'
>> Down East pragmatism from a redneck down south.
>>
>> I've had a lot of experience in sales and as an old boss used to
>> say, "Nothing happens until somebody sales something." Phil's
>> archaic method of doing business, sans technology, has created an
>> artificial scarcity of his product and increased demand. An
>> eccentric but successful for him, method of doing business.
>> Susanne can certainly continue to do business in this fashion, she
>> can enter into an agreement with a company such as Duckworks, she
>> can do business like the Atkin heirs, or she can do nothing and let
>> the business slowly die.
>>
>> Something that she needs to keep in mind is that boat designs have
>> a limited lifetime. Don't believe me, ask a naval architect paying
>> the light bill by selling his designs. Take a look at some of the
>> great boardsmith's like Atkin, Farmer, Herreshoff, Chapelle,
>> Sucher, and others. Designers, who in their time, were some of the
>> most prolific and successful. Do their heirs still sell plans,
>> yes. But when was the last time you heard of someone building a
>> Krazy Kat or a Jenny Wren? Technology and workmanship techniques
>> change over time. Designs age and need to be updated periodically
>> or be sent to the Mystic or the Smithsonian collections. I don't
>> know Susanne's skills on a drawing board but she has in her
>> possession designs that have in my opinion have a good twenty to
>> thirty years of life in them.
>>
>> Right now there is a strong demand for Phil's designs. How long
>> will that last? Nature doesn't like vacuums. Phil left a vacuum.
>> A vacuum anyone who loves messing about in boats feels. PB&F needs
>> to get back to doing business or someone will fill that vacuum.
>> This yahoo group will slowly fade away and we'll all join another
>> group. I personally do not want to see that happen.
>>
>> John Boy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ____________ _________ _________ __
>> From: D.G. Cassidy <d.cassidy@. ..>
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups. com
>> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:06:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] any words from PB&F
>>
>>
>> Yes, Susanne has said she will eventually continue making Bolger
>> designs available.
>> But she will do it in her time, and on her terms.
>>
>> Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
>> If people don't like the way she does (or doesn't) do business,
>> they are welcome to build someone else's design.
>>
>> DGC
>>
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:45 PM, John Huft wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> So everyone's been weighting in on their opinions about copyright
>>> law. So is there anyone out there who can contact Susanne and
>>> convince her to continue selling Phil's designs? We all can
>>> accept that support won't be available like in the past but we
>>> still want to build the designs. Isn't that a respectable way to
>>> honor Phil's memory? Other naval architects who've passed on to
>>> the great boatshop designs are available, Phil's should be too.
>>> John Boy
>>>
>>
>> on February 12, 2010 6:11:41 PM, Fred ,<derflingdol@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
>> I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN
>> BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO
>> PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
>> FRED DOLLING
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
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> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging
> dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred'
> posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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> Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@ yahoogroups. com
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>
>
It is odd how some people feel entitlement that PB&F is somehow
obligated to sell plans at all. She owes us nothing. The last time I
checked, those plans are private property. Considering the well known
libertarian views of our hero, we all should understand that the
rights of private property belong to the owner.
And, we also must not forget that the process of selling plans
involves the trouble of interacting with the customers. If the
customers are rude, or hurtful, then I would not blame the plan seller
for asking herself, why should I go to the trouble?
obligated to sell plans at all. She owes us nothing. The last time I
checked, those plans are private property. Considering the well known
libertarian views of our hero, we all should understand that the
rights of private property belong to the owner.
And, we also must not forget that the process of selling plans
involves the trouble of interacting with the customers. If the
customers are rude, or hurtful, then I would not blame the plan seller
for asking herself, why should I go to the trouble?
John Boy,
I decided it's worth ticking some people off to let you know some of us agree with you. I've had several relatives whose spouses died of cancer, as young as 45. After several days off they had to go back to work, or they would have had to quit their jobs, which is not really an option, is it? That is the reality of life. One of the standard cures for grief of any type is to stay busy. The attitude of if you don't like what Susan is doing, or maybe I should say not doing, than buy someone else's plan is short sighted. I wish Phil was still here designing boats that I like to build. I've built two of his, micro trawler and bantam, and have the plans for another not built. But I've also built 7 other boats from other designers. I think you are right, that if people cannot get Bolger's plans they SHOULD go and build someone else's, and new builders who might have built a Bolger boat will end up building someone else's, Like Michelek (sp?)and there will be fewer and fewer people building and talking about Bolger boats; and I think that is a shame.
Bob
I decided it's worth ticking some people off to let you know some of us agree with you. I've had several relatives whose spouses died of cancer, as young as 45. After several days off they had to go back to work, or they would have had to quit their jobs, which is not really an option, is it? That is the reality of life. One of the standard cures for grief of any type is to stay busy. The attitude of if you don't like what Susan is doing, or maybe I should say not doing, than buy someone else's plan is short sighted. I wish Phil was still here designing boats that I like to build. I've built two of his, micro trawler and bantam, and have the plans for another not built. But I've also built 7 other boats from other designers. I think you are right, that if people cannot get Bolger's plans they SHOULD go and build someone else's, and new builders who might have built a Bolger boat will end up building someone else's, Like Michelek (sp?)and there will be fewer and fewer people building and talking about Bolger boats; and I think that is a shame.
Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, John Huft <t1ro2003@...> wrote:
>
> Why is a lack of response from Susanne and PB&F a problem for people? Well, if you're like me and reading these posts than you're a Bolgerista, you love the designs, and you love being on the water. We want to buy the plans and smell the blue print chemicals and dream of fair seas and safe passages. We want to cipher and scheme and cut and plane. We want to watch the wood chips and sawdust fly. We want to get our fingers stuck together with resin and paint in our hair. We want to build.
>
> Well now, I've pondered a little about voicing my opinion. I'm not known for keeping my mouth shut so here it is; at the
> risk of pissing off the whole world I think its time for some good ol'
> Down East pragmatism from a redneck down south.
>
> I've had a lot of experience in sales and as an old boss used to say, "Nothing happens until somebody sales something." Phil's archaic method of doing business, sans technology, has created an artificial scarcity of his product and increased demand. An eccentric but successful for him, method of doing business. Susanne can certainly continue to do business in this fashion, she can enter into an agreement with a company such as Duckworks, she can do business like the Atkin heirs, or she can do nothing and let the business slowly die.
>
> Something that she needs to keep in mind is that boat designs have a limited lifetime. Don't believe me, ask a naval architect paying the light bill by selling his designs. Take a look at some of the great boardsmith's like Atkin, Farmer, Herreshoff, Chapelle, Sucher, and others. Designers, who in their time, were some of the most prolific and successful. Do their heirs still sell plans, yes. But when was the last time you heard of someone building a Krazy Kat or a Jenny Wren? Technology and workmanship techniques change over time. Designs age and need to be updated periodically or be sent to the Mystic or the Smithsonian collections. I don't know Susanne's skills on a drawing board but she has in her possession designs that have in my opinion have a good twenty to thirty years of life in them.
>
> Right now there is a strong demand for Phil's designs. How long will that last? Nature doesn't like vacuums. Phil left a vacuum. A vacuum anyone who loves messing about in boats feels. PB&F needs to get back to doing business or someone will fill that vacuum. This yahoo group will slowly fade away and we'll all join another group. I personally do not want to see that happen.
>
> John Boy
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: D.G. Cassidy <d.cassidy@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:06:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] any words from PB&F
>
>
> Yes, Susanne has said she will eventually continue making Bolger designs available.
> But she will do it in her time, and on her terms.
>
> Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
> If people don't like the way she does (or doesn't) do business, they are welcome to build someone else's design.
>
> DGC
>
>
> On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:45 PM, John Huft wrote:
>
>
> >
> >So everyone's been weighting in on their opinions about copyright law. So is there anyone out there who can contact Susanne and convince her to continue selling Phil's designs? We all can accept that support won't be available like in the past but we still want to build the designs. Isn't that a respectable way to honor Phil's memory? Other naval architects who've passed on to the great boatshop designs are available, Phil's should be too.
> >John Boy
> >
>
> on February 12, 2010 6:11:41 PM, Fred ,<derflingdol@ yahoo.com> wrote:
> I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
> I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
> FRED DOLLING
>
> they are welcome to build someone else's design...One writes, that `Other friends remain,'
> I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY...
> Other naval architects who've passed on to the great boatshop
> designs are available, Phil's should be too...
That `Loss is common to the race' --
And common is the commonplace,
And vacant chaff well meant for grain. (Tennyson)
----
Well then, consider:
----
I hear the noise about thy keel;
I hear the bell struck in the night:
I see the cabin-window bright;
I see the sailor at the wheel.
Thou bring'st the sailor to his wife,
And travell'd men from foreign lands;
And letters unto trembling hands;
And, thy dark freight, a vanish'd life.
So bring him; we have idle dreams:
This look of quiet flatters thus
Our home-bred fancies. O to us,
The fools of habit, sweeter seems
----
"Grief, when it comes, is nothing we expect to be.
..Grief is different. Grief has no distance. Grief comes in waves, paroxysms, sudden apprehensions that weaken the knees
and blind the eyes and obliterate the dailiness of life...
Tightness in the throat. Choking, need for sighing." (Joan Didion)
O the mind, mind has mountains; cliffs of fall
Frightful, sheer, no-man-fathomed. Hold them cheap
May who ne'er hung there.
I wake and feel the fell of dark, not day.
And I have asked to be
Where no storms come.
- Gerard Manley Hopkinshttp://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/magazine/25didion.html?pagewanted=8
"At once exquisitely controlled and heartbreakingly sad, "The Year of Magical Thinking" (by Joan Didion) tells us in completely unvarnished terms what it is to love someone and lose him... It is a book that tells us how people try to make sense of the senseless and how they somehow go onhttp://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/29/books/29didi.html
----
Ring out, wild bells, to the wild sky,
The flying cloud, the frosty light:
----
Ring out the grief that saps the mind,
For those that here we see no more;
___/) ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
×´ ¨)
¸.·´¸.· ´¨) ¸.·*¨)
*~ Graeme ~*`·.´·.¸¸.·´¨`» => ...×
http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/d/joan_didion/index.html?inline=nyt-per
"Nothing Was the Same" Kay Redfield Jamisonhttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/books/review/Greenberg-t.html?_r=1
http://www.abc.net.au/cgi-bin/common/player_launch.pl?s=rn/allinthemind&d=rn/allinthemind/audio&r=aim-2010-02-13.ram&w=aim-2010-02-13.asx&t=13February 2010&p=1 Kay Redfield Jamison on grief from about 17minutes in.
IN MEMORIAM A. H. H by Alfred lord Tennysonhttp://charon.sfsu.edu/tennyson/inmemoriam.html
Why is a lack of response from Susanne and PB&F a problem for people? Well, if you're like me and reading these posts than you're a Bolgerista, you love the designs, and you love being on the water. We want to buy the plans and smell the blue print chemicals and dream of fair seas and safe passages. We want to cipher and scheme and cut and plane. We want to watch the wood chips and sawdust fly. We want to get our fingers stuck together with resin and paint in our hair. We want to build.
Well now, I've pondered a little about voicing my opinion. I'm not known for keeping my mouth shut so here it is; at the risk of pissing off the whole world I think its time for some good ol' Down East pragmatism from a redneck down south.
I've had a lot of experience in sales and as an old boss used to say, "Nothing happens until somebody sales something." Phil's archaic method of doing business, sans technology, has created an artificial scarcity of his product and increased demand. An eccentric but successful for him, method of doing business. Susanne can certainly continue to do business in this fashion, she can enter into an agreement with a company such as Duckworks, she can do business like the Atkin heirs, or she can do nothing and let the business slowly die.
Something that she needs to keep in mind is that boat designs have a limited lifetime. Don't believe me, ask a naval architect paying the light bill by selling his designs. Take a look at some of the great boardsmith's like Atkin, Farmer, Herreshoff, Chapelle, Sucher, and others. Designers, who in their time, were some of the most prolific and successful. Do their heirs still sell plans, yes. But when was the last time you heard of someone building a Krazy Kat or a Jenny Wren? Technology and workmanship techniques change over time. Designs age and need to be updated periodically or be sent to the Mystic or the Smithsonian collections. I don't know Susanne's skills on a drawing board but she has in her possession designs that have in my opinion have a good twenty to thirty years of life in them.
Right now there is a strong demand for Phil's designs. How long will that last? Nature doesn't like vacuums. Phil left a vacuum. A vacuum anyone who loves messing about in boats feels. PB&F needs to get back to doing business or someone will fill that vacuum. This yahoo group will slowly fade away and we'll all join another group. I personally do not want to see that happen.
From:D.G. Cassidy <d.cassidy@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Fri, February 12, 2010 11:06:52 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] any words from PB&F
Well now, I've pondered a little about voicing my opinion. I'm not known for keeping my mouth shut so here it is; at the risk of pissing off the whole world I think its time for some good ol' Down East pragmatism from a redneck down south.
I've had a lot of experience in sales and as an old boss used to say, "Nothing happens until somebody sales something." Phil's archaic method of doing business, sans technology, has created an artificial scarcity of his product and increased demand. An eccentric but successful for him, method of doing business. Susanne can certainly continue to do business in this fashion, she can enter into an agreement with a company such as Duckworks, she can do business like the Atkin heirs, or she can do nothing and let the business slowly die.
Something that she needs to keep in mind is that boat designs have a limited lifetime. Don't believe me, ask a naval architect paying the light bill by selling his designs. Take a look at some of the great boardsmith's like Atkin, Farmer, Herreshoff, Chapelle, Sucher, and others. Designers, who in their time, were some of the most prolific and successful. Do their heirs still sell plans, yes. But when was the last time you heard of someone building a Krazy Kat or a Jenny Wren? Technology and workmanship techniques change over time. Designs age and need to be updated periodically or be sent to the Mystic or the Smithsonian collections. I don't know Susanne's skills on a drawing board but she has in her possession designs that have in my opinion have a good twenty to thirty years of life in them.
Right now there is a strong demand for Phil's designs. How long will that last? Nature doesn't like vacuums. Phil left a vacuum. A vacuum anyone who loves messing about in boats feels. PB&F needs to get back to doing business or someone will fill that vacuum. This yahoo group will slowly fade away and we'll all join another group. I personally do not want to see that happen.
John Boy
From:D.G. Cassidy <d.cassidy@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Fri, February 12, 2010 11:06:52 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] any words from PB&F
Yes, Susanne has said she will eventually continue making Bolger designs available.
But she will do it in her time, and on her terms.
Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
If people don't like the way she does (or doesn't) do business, they are welcome to build someone else's design.
DGC
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:45 PM, John Huft wrote:So everyone's been weighting in on their opinions about copyright law. So is there anyone out there who can contact Susanne and convince her to continue selling Phil's designs? We all can accept that support won't be available like in the past but we still want to build the designs. Isn't that a respectable way to honor Phil's memory? Other naval architects who've passed on to the great boatshop designs are available, Phil's should be too.
John Boy
on February 12, 2010 6:11:41 PM, Fred ,<derflingdol@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
WHAT SHIFT KEY! WHAT IS IT?
FRED DOLLING
FRED DOLLING
On Fri Feb 12th, 2010 6:50 PM EST loosemoosefilmworks wrote:
>Hey Fred...
>
>Someone give you a shift key for your birthday?
>
>Bob
>
>
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
>--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Fred <derflingdol@...> wrote:
>>
>> I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
>> I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
>> FRED DOLLING
>>
>
>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: d.cassidy@...
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 00:06:52 -0500
Subject: Re: [bolger] any words from PB&F
Yes, Susanne has said she will eventually continue making Bolger designs available.
But she will do it in her time, and on her terms.
Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
If people don't like the way she does (or doesn't) do business, they are welcome to build someone else's design.
DGC
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:45 PM, John Huft wrote:So everyone's been weighting in on their opinions about copyright law. So is there anyone out there who can contact Susanne and convince her to continue selling Phil's designs? We all can accept that support won't be available like in the past but we still want to build the designs. Isn't that a respectable way to honor Phil's memory? Other naval architects who've passed on to the great boatshop designs are available, Phil's should be too.
John Boy
on February 12, 2010 6:11:41 PM, Fred ,<derflingdol@ yahoo.com> wrote:
I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
Yes, Susanne has said she will eventually continue making Bolger designs available.
But she will do it in her time, and on her terms.
Why is this so hard for some people to understand?
If people don't like the way she does (or doesn't) do business, they are welcome to build someone else's design.
DGC
On Feb 12, 2010, at 5:45 PM, John Huft wrote:So everyone's been weighting in on their opinions about copyright law. So is there anyone out there who can contact Susanne and convince her to continue selling Phil's designs? We all can accept that support won't be available like in the past but we still want to build the designs. Isn't that a respectable way to honor Phil's memory? Other naval architects who've passed on to the great boatshop designs are available, Phil's should be too.
John Boy
on February 12, 2010 6:11:41 PM, Fred ,<derflingdol@...> wrote:
I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
Hey Fred...
Someone give you a shift key for your birthday?
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
Someone give you a shift key for your birthday?
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Fred <derflingdol@...> wrote:
>
> I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
> I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
> FRED DOLLING
>
I WISH THAT I COULD GET AN ANSWER TO THIS MYSELF!
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUY PLANS FOR A LONG TIME NOW, EVEN BEFORE THE MASTER DIED. I HAVE YET TO SO MUCH GET A REPLY. NO PRICES, NO PLANS, NOTHING!
FRED DOLLING
So everyone's been weighting in on their opinions about copyright law. So is there anyone out there who can contact Susanne and convince her to continue selling Phil's designs? We all can accept that support won't be available like in the past but we still want to build the designs. Isn't that a respectable way to honor Phil's memory? Other naval architects who've passed on to the great boatshop designs are available, Phil's should be too.
John Boy
John Boy