Re: Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
A - ron barnes boatyard - google turned up some indirect references (you may well do better with more local knowledge). Some laughs too.
"All steel work expertly fabricated at Ron Barnes steel boatyard in St Augustine, Fl. The naval architect Phil Bolger praised Barnes as "one of the most expert and efficient builders of steel boats in the country.""http://cruisenews.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=975
"Ron Barnes steel boatyard in St Augustine, Fl. The naval architect Phil Bolger praised Barnes as "one of the most expert and efficient builders of steel boats in the country." See also the book "Steel Away" for his craftmanship."http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f47/hanna-tahitian-ketch-knowledge-8166-2.html
"Steel Away" is likely this book "Steel away: a guidebook to the world of steel sailboats" Authors LeCain W. Smith, Sheila Moir. 1986 publication date about the right timeline
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=_n1pAQAACAAJ&dq=steel+away&cd=1
http://www.amazon.com/Steel-Away-Guidebook-World-Sailboats/dp/0961550805/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266452989&sr=8-1
Is anyone able to scan the relevant sections on Barnes and Bolger? Perhaps also on Solution 48??
Could Phil's DB Solution 48 client, Fred Collen, be a certain Fred "Cullen", and the spelling a homonym? There are some standout similarities such as: liveaboard seadog; cheapness; sanguinity; familiarity with winches; steel boats; earning a crust from off your steel boat when opportunity knocks; tricky?; deriving a personal benefit by way of imposing on others, with skill; and yet the ability to put in a hard day's work.
John M. (Bing) Grimsrud in TRAVELS OF DURSMIRG, VOLUME IV, THE ROGUES OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND OTHER SOCIAL MISFITS, at Chapter 47 writes: "Two years later "Freddie the free-loader" and his Mini-freighter Sea Dog turned up in St. Augustine and almost naturally gravitated to the Rock Bottom Boat Yard the home of social misfits and owned and operated by our dear friend Stomp-in-Ron Barnes..."http://www.bicycleyucatan.com/vol4ch_47.html
"Friday evenings you would find Tally and Jan over at Stompin Ron's Rock Bottom Boatyard with Ron and Brigid Barnes where music was made with the jug-band atmosphere that was not always in tune but it was loud.
The Friday night cook-outs and musical jam-sessions were always positively primitive and the beer drank was the cheapest special of the week but it was served cold which was its only saving grace.
This was the no frills stomp' in group that consisted of "don't give a damn" Ron Barnes singing his proverbial lungs out. He didn't require an amplifier because he was boom-box loud, not good. Stompin Ron's straight faced 100% Irish wife Brigid played her electronic auto-harp while whispering prompts to her out-of-control husband.
The only in-tune music maker in the group was sober non-drinking John Golden who bought and finished out one of the welded steel Gazelle sailboats from the boatyard. He played a homemade stringed washtub contraption. (The gutbucket! Sweet & salty. How much more elegantly named than a tea-chest base.) Dropout eccentric John Golden was the only professional in the group and he used to play full time with the Atlanta Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra before retiring to St. Augustine definitely a social misfit who positively qualified for social misfit status.
Those were the core players at the Rock Bottom Boatyard..."http://www.bicycleyucatan.com/vol4ch_58.htmlAhh, the seventies
Graeme
"All steel work expertly fabricated at Ron Barnes steel boatyard in St Augustine, Fl. The naval architect Phil Bolger praised Barnes as "one of the most expert and efficient builders of steel boats in the country.""http://cruisenews.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=975
"Ron Barnes steel boatyard in St Augustine, Fl. The naval architect Phil Bolger praised Barnes as "one of the most expert and efficient builders of steel boats in the country." See also the book "Steel Away" for his craftmanship."http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f47/hanna-tahitian-ketch-knowledge-8166-2.html
"Steel Away" is likely this book "Steel away: a guidebook to the world of steel sailboats" Authors LeCain W. Smith, Sheila Moir. 1986 publication date about the right timeline
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=_n1pAQAACAAJ&dq=steel+away&cd=1
http://www.amazon.com/Steel-Away-Guidebook-World-Sailboats/dp/0961550805/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1266452989&sr=8-1
Is anyone able to scan the relevant sections on Barnes and Bolger? Perhaps also on Solution 48??
Could Phil's DB Solution 48 client, Fred Collen, be a certain Fred "Cullen", and the spelling a homonym? There are some standout similarities such as: liveaboard seadog; cheapness; sanguinity; familiarity with winches; steel boats; earning a crust from off your steel boat when opportunity knocks; tricky?; deriving a personal benefit by way of imposing on others, with skill; and yet the ability to put in a hard day's work.
John M. (Bing) Grimsrud in TRAVELS OF DURSMIRG, VOLUME IV, THE ROGUES OF ST. AUGUSTINE AND OTHER SOCIAL MISFITS, at Chapter 47 writes: "Two years later "Freddie the free-loader" and his Mini-freighter Sea Dog turned up in St. Augustine and almost naturally gravitated to the Rock Bottom Boat Yard the home of social misfits and owned and operated by our dear friend Stomp-in-Ron Barnes..."http://www.bicycleyucatan.com/vol4ch_47.html
"Friday evenings you would find Tally and Jan over at Stompin Ron's Rock Bottom Boatyard with Ron and Brigid Barnes where music was made with the jug-band atmosphere that was not always in tune but it was loud.
The Friday night cook-outs and musical jam-sessions were always positively primitive and the beer drank was the cheapest special of the week but it was served cold which was its only saving grace.
This was the no frills stomp' in group that consisted of "don't give a damn" Ron Barnes singing his proverbial lungs out. He didn't require an amplifier because he was boom-box loud, not good. Stompin Ron's straight faced 100% Irish wife Brigid played her electronic auto-harp while whispering prompts to her out-of-control husband.
The only in-tune music maker in the group was sober non-drinking John Golden who bought and finished out one of the welded steel Gazelle sailboats from the boatyard. He played a homemade stringed washtub contraption. (The gutbucket! Sweet & salty. How much more elegantly named than a tea-chest base.) Dropout eccentric John Golden was the only professional in the group and he used to play full time with the Atlanta Philharmonic Symphony Orchestra before retiring to St. Augustine definitely a social misfit who positively qualified for social misfit status.
Those were the core players at the Rock Bottom Boatyard..."http://www.bicycleyucatan.com/vol4ch_58.htmlAhh, the seventies
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "eric14850" <eric14850@...> wrote:
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> Ron Barnes steel boatyard in St Augustine, Fl
> has built at least one. Will let you complete your boat in their yard if they build you the steel hull. not sure they are still in business.
> Eric
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> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wallace <visayannz@> wrote:
> >
> > I recall reading (perhaps 20 years ago) of a Solution 48 having been built and sailed by a couple of older blokes in the vicinity of Whangarei, in the North Island of New Zealand. Have heard nothing since.
> > Andrew.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: stevecol42 <steve.collins@>
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 9:38:52 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
> >
> >
> > So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
> >
> > Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
> >
> > has any one built her?
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
Ron Barnes steel boatyard in St Augustine, Fl
has built at least one. Will let you complete your boat in their yard if they build you the steel hull. not sure they are still in business.
Eric
has built at least one. Will let you complete your boat in their yard if they build you the steel hull. not sure they are still in business.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wallace <visayannz@...> wrote:
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> I recall reading (perhaps 20 years ago) of a Solution 48 having been built and sailed by a couple of older blokes in the vicinity of Whangarei, in the North Island of New Zealand. Have heard nothing since.
> Andrew.
>
>
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>
>
> ________________________________
> From: stevecol42 <steve.collins@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 9:38:52 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
>
>
> So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
>
> Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
>
> has any one built her?
>
> Steve
>
A few years ago I saw an online for sale listing for a steel 48'
Bolger trawler/motorsailer in Tennessee. Prolly the same design. Never
heard what became of it though.
Bolger trawler/motorsailer in Tennessee. Prolly the same design. Never
heard what became of it though.
On 2/16/10, graeme19121984 <graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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> In his online article Ballast Calculations 2 (15dec05)
>http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2005/1215/index.htmJim
> Michalak makes mention that: "A long time ago Phil Bolger was doing these
> figures (ballast calcs) on a steel hull schooner. He said the real killer
> there was in the use of canvas sails that would soak up many many pounds of
> water in a storm and make the boat top heavy. I don't think Dacron sailcloth
> soaks water much, if at all."
>
> Solution 48, design #370 plans would have been started by the late 60's, no?
> 40 years or so, maybe more, prior to Michalak's mention. That's "a long
> time". Is there another steel hull schooner Phil was talking about? Would a
> budget conscious Fred Cullen, after a boat cheap to build and run, be still
> considering canvas sails over synthetics in commissioning the design as late
> as the 60's?
>
> Strictly speaking I don't think Solution 48 is a schooner, but that's after
> looking at the sail plan numbers by way of a magnifying glass! Having done
> so, Solution 48 still looks to my eye more like a schooner than a ketch!
> (Maybe the Michalak term "ketchooner" will do ;-)
>
> In the DB chapter only the need for trim ballast way aft is mentioned.
> Perhaps the 1/2" bottom is sufficient, but her possible tenderness in strong
> wind seems of concern to Phil. Wonder about her righting curve? Wonder how
> Fred's went?
>
> Graeme
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wallace <visayannz@...> wrote:
>>
>> I recall reading (perhaps 20 years ago) of a Solution 48 having been built
>> and sailed by a couple of older blokes in the vicinity of Whangarei, in
>> the North Island of New Zealand. Have heard nothing since.
>> Andrew.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: stevecol42 <steve.collins@...>
>> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 9:38:52 AM
>> Subject: [bolger] Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
>>
>>
>> So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
>>
>> Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean
>> cruising.
>>
>> has any one built her?
>>
>> Steve
>>
>
>
>
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In his online article Ballast Calculations 2 (15dec05)http://marina.fortunecity.com/breakwater/274/2005/1215/index.htmJim Michalak makes mention that: "A long time ago Phil Bolger was doing these figures (ballast calcs) on a steel hull schooner. He said the real killer there was in the use of canvas sails that would soak up many many pounds of water in a storm and make the boat top heavy. I don't think Dacron sailcloth soaks water much, if at all."
Solution 48, design #370 plans would have been started by the late 60's, no? 40 years or so, maybe more, prior to Michalak's mention. That's "a long time". Is there another steel hull schooner Phil was talking about? Would a budget conscious Fred Cullen, after a boat cheap to build and run, be still considering canvas sails over synthetics in commissioning the design as late as the 60's?
Strictly speaking I don't think Solution 48 is a schooner, but that's after looking at the sail plan numbers by way of a magnifying glass! Having done so, Solution 48 still looks to my eye more like a schooner than a ketch! (Maybe the Michalak term "ketchooner" will do ;-)
In the DB chapter only the need for trim ballast way aft is mentioned. Perhaps the 1/2" bottom is sufficient, but her possible tenderness in strong wind seems of concern to Phil. Wonder about her righting curve? Wonder how Fred's went?
Graeme
Solution 48, design #370 plans would have been started by the late 60's, no? 40 years or so, maybe more, prior to Michalak's mention. That's "a long time". Is there another steel hull schooner Phil was talking about? Would a budget conscious Fred Cullen, after a boat cheap to build and run, be still considering canvas sails over synthetics in commissioning the design as late as the 60's?
Strictly speaking I don't think Solution 48 is a schooner, but that's after looking at the sail plan numbers by way of a magnifying glass! Having done so, Solution 48 still looks to my eye more like a schooner than a ketch! (Maybe the Michalak term "ketchooner" will do ;-)
In the DB chapter only the need for trim ballast way aft is mentioned. Perhaps the 1/2" bottom is sufficient, but her possible tenderness in strong wind seems of concern to Phil. Wonder about her righting curve? Wonder how Fred's went?
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Andrew Wallace <visayannz@...> wrote:
>
> I recall reading (perhaps 20 years ago) of a Solution 48 having been built and sailed by a couple of older blokes in the vicinity of Whangarei, in the North Island of New Zealand. Have heard nothing since.
> Andrew.
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: stevecol42 <steve.collins@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 16 February, 2010 9:38:52 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
>
>
> So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
>
> Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
>
> has any one built her?
>
> Steve
>
I recall reading (perhaps 20 years ago) of a Solution 48 having been built and sailed by a couple of older blokes in the vicinity of Whangarei, in the North Island of New Zealand. Have heard nothing since.
Andrew.
From:stevecol42 <steve.collins@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Tue, 16 February, 2010 9:38:52 AM
Subject:[bolger] Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
Andrew.
From:stevecol42 <steve.collins@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Tue, 16 February, 2010 9:38:52 AM
Subject:[bolger] Solution 48 ... any builds? pictures? plans?
So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
has any one built her?
Steve
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I wondered at the building yard's manhours to complete the hull as stated in that chapter. Has it a plywood deck, or steel??
Graeme
Graeme
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "stevecol42" <steve.collins@...> wrote:
>
> So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
>
> Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
>
> has any one built her?
>
> Steve
>
So many years ago, I saw the Solution 48 in "Different Boats"
Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
has any one built her?
Steve
Seemed like a great way to translate the "instant Boat" concept to ocean cruising.
has any one built her?
Steve