Re: [bolger] Re: 16 foot Canoe Yawl

On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 3:53 AM, graeme19121984
<graeme19121984@...> wrote:
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> The Nord Koster?
>http://boatbldr.com/html/boats/koster.html
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Yep, looks like the exact same design.



Yes, that last version of Free!Ship which is 'open source' is version
2.6. A few years old, but still works great.

Available in a lot of places including here:

http://www.softpedia.com/get/Science-CAD/Freeship.shtml
> I'm pretty sure that the Canoe Yawl is a lot more work than an Old
> Shoe. There is, of course, no comparison in looks.

"OLDSHOE Summary...
For a 12 foot boat, it is neither cheap nor simple.. Bill Nicolay..."
oldshoe.txt filehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/How%20To/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill" <wetherillc@...> wrote:
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> Works w/ V 2.6
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Many thanks Christopher.
Works w/ V 2.6

On 6/4/2010 5:29 PM, hs wrote:
Here is the Free!Ship "fbm" file, if anyone wants to see the expanded strake
shapes, the lofting is done already, make it easy.http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/16FtCanoeYawl.fbm
Hello Bruce.

When I try to open this file I get this error message :

" This file was created with a later version od freeship and cannot be read with this version ..."

So , could you advise please , which version of freeship do I neeed to read this ?

Best regards............
Harry
> Here is the Free!Ship "fbm" file, if anyone wants to see the expanded strake
> shapes, the lofting is done already, make it easy.
>
>
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>http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/16FtCanoeYawl.fbm


Hello Bruce.

When I try to open this file I get this error message :

" This file was created with a later version od freeship and cannot be read with this version ..."

So , could you advise please , which version of freeship do I neeed to read this ?

Best regards............
Harry
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 2:40 PM, John and Kathy Trussell
<jtrussell2@...> wrote:
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> This is one of PCB’s ‘pretty’ (as opposed to harshly functional) boats and it certainly deserves to be built in some numbers.
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> I have almost finished a ‘Storm 17’ (see the Swallow Boats web page) which is about the same size and shape as the 16 ft Canoe Yawl and I’m pretty sure that the Canoe Yawl is a lot more work than an Old Shoe…  There is, of course, no comparison in looks.
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> JohnT

Cool.  Here is the URL of a Storm17, and yes that is a very similar
shape to Bolger's 16 ft Canoe Yawl

http://www.swallowboats.co.uk/content/view/67/84/

I agree with you very much, with a couple of nuances:

I think that a rounded shape boat rows better than an hard chine boat,
because of less wetted surface area and less weight, so this 16ft
Canoe Yawl (with oar power axillary) would be more "functional" when
rowing as compared to a hard chine boat.

My comments about building time comes from my experiences of building
a 16ft Micro and of building a 16ft lapstrake double ended Bolger
Cartoon 5.  Lapstrake construction can take much longer if you demand
glossy fit and finish, or it can go very quickly if you are willing to
settle for work boat finish.

That Cartoon 5 lapstrake build of mine was very much "work boat
finish" and it took only a few weeks of spare time, I forget how many
manhours, about 50 or 60.  Prior to that I build a similar lapstrake
Spur II in, (I forget), roughly about 80 manhours

http://community.webshots.com/album/360982713bZwutE

In contrast, my Micro Navigator took about 450 hours. (I could do it
again based on what I learned in 200 manhours.)
This is one of PCB’s ‘pretty’
(as opposed to harshly functional) boats and it certainly deserves to be built
in some numbers.
 
I have almost finished a ‘Storm 17’
(see the Swallow Boats web page) which is about the same size and shape as the
16 ft Canoe Yawl and I’m pretty sure that the Canoe Yawl is a lot more
work than an Old Shoe…  There is, of course, no comparison in looks.
 
JohnT
 
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf OfBruce Hallman
Sent:Thursday, June 03, 2010 3:20
PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] 16 foot Canoe
Yawl
 
 
Phil
Bolger designed so many boats, that some really gorgeous ones escape our
attention.  The 16 Foot Canoe Yawl is one that I had forgotten about, but
one which is simply a masterpiece, in my opinion.  Here are is a tribute
webpage to that design...  

In my opinion, it could be a very quick and cheap build, about the same amount
of effort as an Old Shoe, but wow, what you would get for that effort. 


http://hallman. org/bolger/ 16ftCanoeYawl/

http://hallman. org/bolger/ 16ftCanoeYawl/ 16FtCanoeYawl01. html


Here is the Free!Ship "fbm" file, if anyone wants to see the expanded
strake shapes, the lofting is done already, make it easy.



http://hallman. org/bolger/ 16ftCanoeYawl/ 16FtCanoeYawl. fbm
Phil Bolger designed so many boats, that some really gorgeous ones escape our attention.  The 16 Foot Canoe Yawl is one that I had forgotten about, but one which is simply a masterpiece, in my opinion.  Here are is a tribute webpage to that design...

In my opinion, it could be a very quick and cheap build, about the same amount of effort as an Old Shoe, but wow, what you would get for that effort.


http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/

http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/16FtCanoeYawl01.html


Here is the Free!Ship "fbm" file, if anyone wants to see the expanded strake shapes, the lofting is done already, make it easy.



http://hallman.org/bolger/16ftCanoeYawl/16FtCanoeYawl.fbm