Re: ROGUE
Yes, a variation on ROMP. Directly scaled down to 26', leeboards instead of centerboard, water ballast and 325lbs lead at bottom of each leeboard instead of keel, sheer raised at bow to get standing headroom in in galley, sheer lowered aft of galley to hopefully make up for raising weights forward.
As far as big or small boats go, my experience suggests that it is complication of interior components an tight curves in the hull that increase building time, not simply size. ROGUE stretched to 30 feet on the same width, would have been easier and quicker to build, both hull and interior. Four more feet would have made an insignificant difference in difficulty of towing.
Eric
As far as big or small boats go, my experience suggests that it is complication of interior components an tight curves in the hull that increase building time, not simply size. ROGUE stretched to 30 feet on the same width, would have been easier and quicker to build, both hull and interior. Four more feet would have made an insignificant difference in difficulty of towing.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
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> Wow. Congratulations. It is not everyday that someone launches a big
> boat like that! Is that a variation on Romp?
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> On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:17 PM, eric14850 <eric14850@...> wrote:
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> > I've finally posted some pictures of ROGUEhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/2041093893/pic/list;jsessionid=937F330E5DE73ADB97A2EC707DCC2DCD.
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> > A Mr Cunningham wrote Phil at Small Boat Journal to ask in almost the same words of the letter I had drafted to ask Phil to design the AS-29. I wasn't yet enlightened enough to understand the wisdom of Phil's response to Mr Cunningham that one shouldn't pack people into boats like sardines into cans, and a Car Topper should be built with a tent and the kids dragged along behind in it. At the time I was appalled by the response, and by not having a designer for the boat I wanted Phil to design for me. I was left with no choice but to search again the books of boat design I had already been through searching in vain for something that would meet my needs and desires... and budget. I had overlooked ROMP at each turn of the page. Desperation gave me vision. The hull form and a whole lot of other Bolger ideas would give me the boat I wanted.
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> > ROGUE is a lesson in why it is penny wise and pound foolish to do what I did. An expected 3 summer $3000 project took 15 years (over 2000 hours) and more than $15,000 with no assurance (until after launch day) that the design would work. With properly cut sails ROGUE will sail better in light winds. In winds 22 gusting to 35 mph ROGUE sailed past all but a well sailed Saber 28 which we kept up with. As for trailering with a full size car. Hah!!! At 8,000 lbs boat and trailer, I am just legal with a Ford 250 diesel pickup. Had I known and stretched ROGUE's lines back to the original 30' of ROMP, ROGUE's hull would have been much easier to build, and I would have a much faster boat with more room for auxiliary power and storage, though ROGUE has a remarkable amount of storage for a 26' boat. ROGUE has no auxiliary. Dinghy tug is dead air propulsion at this point. I need an Yulo for times of no dinghy and no wind. I will probably go with a 6hp electric outboard. The future is electric. Sure would like some more space for batteries. Head and anchors are in the bow. (50lb plow because I have it, 22lb Rocna, 13lb danforth, an aluminum anchor of the same size and another the size of a 22 lb danforth. Sail boats rely on anchors and sails.) Next aft is a standing galley with six feet counter space. Standard seven foot seatees, head height portlights, stooping headroom. Then aft cabin with 7' double birth 4' headroom, two seats with head height portlights. Nav table with storage beneath that was going to be the engine room before Phil's experience with Resolution showed that an propeller in that position would suck air and not work. A lot of living room for a mere 26'x7'6" boat (8' to outside of leeboards). I have finally worked out a means of raising and lowering ROGUE's masts myself with a yard carried to set a light air sail on. ROGUE draws 1' boards up, 6' boards down, and sails well in 3', perhaps less, in 35 mph winds. In most ways I lucked out with ROGUE. As far as the rest goes, a designer can only design what he is asked to design, not the future ideas of a client, so I'm not sure I could have had Phil design ROGUE to better suit my current desires. However, when Phil designed the AS-29 it was exactly what I was trying to ask him to design. Interestingly, the AS-29 living space is remarkably similar to ROGUE's (though the layout is a bit different), and I'd be surprised if a person couldn't build an AS-29 a lot faster and for a lot less money. Until reading posts here I would have thought the AS-29 to perhaps be the more capable of the boats because of the increased length. However, I would not hesitate to take ROGUE across an ocean if I had a notion to, and posters here warn against taking an AS-29 offshore. As I said, I was lucky.
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Wow. Congratulations. It is not everyday that someone launches a big
boat like that! Is that a variation on Romp?
boat like that! Is that a variation on Romp?
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 10:17 PM, eric14850 <eric14850@...> wrote:
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> I've finally posted some pictures of ROGUEhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/2041093893/pic/list;jsessionid=937F330E5DE73ADB97A2EC707DCC2DCD.
>
> A Mr Cunningham wrote Phil at Small Boat Journal to ask in almost the same words of the letter I had drafted to ask Phil to design the AS-29. I wasn't yet enlightened enough to understand the wisdom of Phil's response to Mr Cunningham that one shouldn't pack people into boats like sardines into cans, and a Car Topper should be built with a tent and the kids dragged along behind in it. At the time I was appalled by the response, and by not having a designer for the boat I wanted Phil to design for me. I was left with no choice but to search again the books of boat design I had already been through searching in vain for something that would meet my needs and desires... and budget. I had overlooked ROMP at each turn of the page. Desperation gave me vision. The hull form and a whole lot of other Bolger ideas would give me the boat I wanted.
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> ROGUE is a lesson in why it is penny wise and pound foolish to do what I did. An expected 3 summer $3000 project took 15 years (over 2000 hours) and more than $15,000 with no assurance (until after launch day) that the design would work. With properly cut sails ROGUE will sail better in light winds. In winds 22 gusting to 35 mph ROGUE sailed past all but a well sailed Saber 28 which we kept up with. As for trailering with a full size car. Hah!!! At 8,000 lbs boat and trailer, I am just legal with a Ford 250 diesel pickup. Had I known and stretched ROGUE's lines back to the original 30' of ROMP, ROGUE's hull would have been much easier to build, and I would have a much faster boat with more room for auxiliary power and storage, though ROGUE has a remarkable amount of storage for a 26' boat. ROGUE has no auxiliary. Dinghy tug is dead air propulsion at this point. I need an Yulo for times of no dinghy and no wind. I will probably go with a 6hp electric outboard. The future is electric. Sure would like some more space for batteries. Head and anchors are in the bow. (50lb plow because I have it, 22lb Rocna, 13lb danforth, an aluminum anchor of the same size and another the size of a 22 lb danforth. Sail boats rely on anchors and sails.) Next aft is a standing galley with six feet counter space. Standard seven foot seatees, head height portlights, stooping headroom. Then aft cabin with 7' double birth 4' headroom, two seats with head height portlights. Nav table with storage beneath that was going to be the engine room before Phil's experience with Resolution showed that an propeller in that position would suck air and not work. A lot of living room for a mere 26'x7'6" boat (8' to outside of leeboards). I have finally worked out a means of raising and lowering ROGUE's masts myself with a yard carried to set a light air sail on. ROGUE draws 1' boards up, 6' boards down, and sails well in 3', perhaps less, in 35 mph winds. In most ways I lucked out with ROGUE. As far as the rest goes, a designer can only design what he is asked to design, not the future ideas of a client, so I'm not sure I could have had Phil design ROGUE to better suit my current desires. However, when Phil designed the AS-29 it was exactly what I was trying to ask him to design. Interestingly, the AS-29 living space is remarkably similar to ROGUE's (though the layout is a bit different), and I'd be surprised if a person couldn't build an AS-29 a lot faster and for a lot less money. Until reading posts here I would have thought the AS-29 to perhaps be the more capable of the boats because of the increased length. However, I would not hesitate to take ROGUE across an ocean if I had a notion to, and posters here warn against taking an AS-29 offshore. As I said, I was lucky.
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I've finally posted some pictures of ROGUEhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/2041093893/pic/list;jsessionid=937F330E5DE73ADB97A2EC707DCC2DCD.
A Mr Cunningham wrote Phil at Small Boat Journal to ask in almost the same words of the letter I had drafted to ask Phil to design the AS-29. I wasn't yet enlightened enough to understand the wisdom of Phil's response to Mr Cunningham that one shouldn't pack people into boats like sardines into cans, and a Car Topper should be built with a tent and the kids dragged along behind in it. At the time I was appalled by the response, and by not having a designer for the boat I wanted Phil to design for me. I was left with no choice but to search again the books of boat design I had already been through searching in vain for something that would meet my needs and desires... and budget. I had overlooked ROMP at each turn of the page. Desperation gave me vision. The hull form and a whole lot of other Bolger ideas would give me the boat I wanted.
ROGUE is a lesson in why it is penny wise and pound foolish to do what I did. An expected 3 summer $3000 project took 15 years (over 2000 hours) and more than $15,000 with no assurance (until after launch day) that the design would work. With properly cut sails ROGUE will sail better in light winds. In winds 22 gusting to 35 mph ROGUE sailed past all but a well sailed Saber 28 which we kept up with. As for trailering with a full size car. Hah!!! At 8,000 lbs boat and trailer, I am just legal with a Ford 250 diesel pickup. Had I known and stretched ROGUE's lines back to the original 30' of ROMP, ROGUE's hull would have been much easier to build, and I would have a much faster boat with more room for auxiliary power and storage, though ROGUE has a remarkable amount of storage for a 26' boat. ROGUE has no auxiliary. Dinghy tug is dead air propulsion at this point. I need an Yulo for times of no dinghy and no wind. I will probably go with a 6hp electric outboard. The future is electric. Sure would like some more space for batteries. Head and anchors are in the bow. (50lb plow because I have it, 22lb Rocna, 13lb danforth, an aluminum anchor of the same size and another the size of a 22 lb danforth. Sail boats rely on anchors and sails.) Next aft is a standing galley with six feet counter space. Standard seven foot seatees, head height portlights, stooping headroom. Then aft cabin with 7' double birth 4' headroom, two seats with head height portlights. Nav table with storage beneath that was going to be the engine room before Phil's experience with Resolution showed that an propeller in that position would suck air and not work. A lot of living room for a mere 26'x7'6" boat (8' to outside of leeboards). I have finally worked out a means of raising and lowering ROGUE's masts myself with a yard carried to set a light air sail on. ROGUE draws 1' boards up, 6' boards down, and sails well in 3', perhaps less, in 35 mph winds. In most ways I lucked out with ROGUE. As far as the rest goes, a designer can only design what he is asked to design, not the future ideas of a client, so I'm not sure I could have had Phil design ROGUE to better suit my current desires. However, when Phil designed the AS-29 it was exactly what I was trying to ask him to design. Interestingly, the AS-29 living space is remarkably similar to ROGUE's (though the layout is a bit different), and I'd be surprised if a person couldn't build an AS-29 a lot faster and for a lot less money. Until reading posts here I would have thought the AS-29 to perhaps be the more capable of the boats because of the increased length. However, I would not hesitate to take ROGUE across an ocean if I had a notion to, and posters here warn against taking an AS-29 offshore. As I said, I was lucky.
A Mr Cunningham wrote Phil at Small Boat Journal to ask in almost the same words of the letter I had drafted to ask Phil to design the AS-29. I wasn't yet enlightened enough to understand the wisdom of Phil's response to Mr Cunningham that one shouldn't pack people into boats like sardines into cans, and a Car Topper should be built with a tent and the kids dragged along behind in it. At the time I was appalled by the response, and by not having a designer for the boat I wanted Phil to design for me. I was left with no choice but to search again the books of boat design I had already been through searching in vain for something that would meet my needs and desires... and budget. I had overlooked ROMP at each turn of the page. Desperation gave me vision. The hull form and a whole lot of other Bolger ideas would give me the boat I wanted.
ROGUE is a lesson in why it is penny wise and pound foolish to do what I did. An expected 3 summer $3000 project took 15 years (over 2000 hours) and more than $15,000 with no assurance (until after launch day) that the design would work. With properly cut sails ROGUE will sail better in light winds. In winds 22 gusting to 35 mph ROGUE sailed past all but a well sailed Saber 28 which we kept up with. As for trailering with a full size car. Hah!!! At 8,000 lbs boat and trailer, I am just legal with a Ford 250 diesel pickup. Had I known and stretched ROGUE's lines back to the original 30' of ROMP, ROGUE's hull would have been much easier to build, and I would have a much faster boat with more room for auxiliary power and storage, though ROGUE has a remarkable amount of storage for a 26' boat. ROGUE has no auxiliary. Dinghy tug is dead air propulsion at this point. I need an Yulo for times of no dinghy and no wind. I will probably go with a 6hp electric outboard. The future is electric. Sure would like some more space for batteries. Head and anchors are in the bow. (50lb plow because I have it, 22lb Rocna, 13lb danforth, an aluminum anchor of the same size and another the size of a 22 lb danforth. Sail boats rely on anchors and sails.) Next aft is a standing galley with six feet counter space. Standard seven foot seatees, head height portlights, stooping headroom. Then aft cabin with 7' double birth 4' headroom, two seats with head height portlights. Nav table with storage beneath that was going to be the engine room before Phil's experience with Resolution showed that an propeller in that position would suck air and not work. A lot of living room for a mere 26'x7'6" boat (8' to outside of leeboards). I have finally worked out a means of raising and lowering ROGUE's masts myself with a yard carried to set a light air sail on. ROGUE draws 1' boards up, 6' boards down, and sails well in 3', perhaps less, in 35 mph winds. In most ways I lucked out with ROGUE. As far as the rest goes, a designer can only design what he is asked to design, not the future ideas of a client, so I'm not sure I could have had Phil design ROGUE to better suit my current desires. However, when Phil designed the AS-29 it was exactly what I was trying to ask him to design. Interestingly, the AS-29 living space is remarkably similar to ROGUE's (though the layout is a bit different), and I'd be surprised if a person couldn't build an AS-29 a lot faster and for a lot less money. Until reading posts here I would have thought the AS-29 to perhaps be the more capable of the boats because of the increased length. However, I would not hesitate to take ROGUE across an ocean if I had a notion to, and posters here warn against taking an AS-29 offshore. As I said, I was lucky.