Re: Scow schooner question..
I designed and built the 54x16x3'6" (boards up) leeboard scow schooner "Atabeyra" in 1989 for a client in the Turks and Caicos, refigerated holds, twin volvo pentas. still in opperation as far as i know. Tim
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks" <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
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> Hey Jon
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> I have never quite liked Reuel's current crop of scow schooners as they simply don't "grab" me and are a bit more houseboat rather than sailboat if you know what I mean...
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> On the other hand after we lost LM2 we tried to order plans for Reuel's 44 foot cargo schooner which he mentions and shows some drawings of in his "New Coldmolded Boatbuilding" book which in my very subjective view is the prettiest scow schooner anyone has ever drawn...Period. But sadly it turned out not to be a finished plan and was more akin to vaporware (as he had it priced and listed in his stock plans program) but very very pretty vaporware.
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> Bob
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>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
Hey Jon
I have never quite liked Reuel's current crop of scow schooners as they simply don't "grab" me and are a bit more houseboat rather than sailboat if you know what I mean...
On the other hand after we lost LM2 we tried to order plans for Reuel's 44 foot cargo schooner which he mentions and shows some drawings of in his "New Coldmolded Boatbuilding" book which in my very subjective view is the prettiest scow schooner anyone has ever drawn...Period. But sadly it turned out not to be a finished plan and was more akin to vaporware (as he had it priced and listed in his stock plans program) but very very pretty vaporware.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
I have never quite liked Reuel's current crop of scow schooners as they simply don't "grab" me and are a bit more houseboat rather than sailboat if you know what I mean...
On the other hand after we lost LM2 we tried to order plans for Reuel's 44 foot cargo schooner which he mentions and shows some drawings of in his "New Coldmolded Boatbuilding" book which in my very subjective view is the prettiest scow schooner anyone has ever drawn...Period. But sadly it turned out not to be a finished plan and was more akin to vaporware (as he had it priced and listed in his stock plans program) but very very pretty vaporware.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
Hi Bob,
Jon
> Just my first reaction but this would make a seriously great boat! Too bad Phil did not include a cartoon of the "More salty style" he mentions.Take a look at Reuel Parker's scow series (parkermarine.com, I think, or Google it). They're gulf coast models, having varying deadrise in the bottom, and salty indeed. The schooner rig on the 45-footer is particularly seductive. We were sorely tempted by the 33-footer, but it's far more displacement than we have in mind these days.
Jon
> The usual right-click and save to Downloads folder works for me; alsoI figured this out shortly after I posted. I think the resolution of the scans is good enough to show all the detail on the printed page. Remember that drawings 30" or more across have been reduced to a fraction of the 8x11 page, and printed on inexpensive paper.
> dragging to the desktop. The gif-format files render as well on my
> screen from the site as the downloaded ones do in a photo program. Said
> photo program shows me that they weren't terribly high resolution to
> begin with, for a full-page size scan, so I expect that a higher
> pixel-per-inch count would have made them clearer.
The usual right-click and save to Downloads folder works for me; also dragging to the desktop. The gif-format files render as well on my screen from the site as the downloaded ones do in a photo program. Said photo program shows me that they weren't terribly high resolution to begin with, for a full-page size scan, so I expect that a higher pixel-per-inch count would have made them clearer. Still they're readable and I enjoyed them. Nice group you guys have here, and so nice to hear from Suzanne every once in awhile.
As an aside, it's curious to see that this group still has only 100 MB of space for its use. 100 GB space for groups was rolled out close to a year ago (I think), making the uploading of larger files not as worrisome as it used to be. While it's not a problem yet, it would be nice to see the group come into conformity with the rest of the yahoo group service, something the group owner might want to investigate.
Eric
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On 10-06-20 7:49 AM, Peter wrote:> It's MAIB V19N01 (may2001)
I put scans in the Files section. Although the originals were clear, they don't render well on the screen, nor do I see how they can be downloaded. Well done, Yahoo!
Look for Liveaboard Scow Schooner in files.
RE: SOP: -- This is a good example similar curves of the bottom and side panels that result in equal pressures at both sides of the chine. While it has two chines the lower one is immersed. Since the bilge panel is almost the same from bow to stern the principle still applies. All sections are not shown but those that are suggest that the lower chine comes close to bisecting the bottom and bilge panels.
Joe T
RE: SOP: -- This is a good example similar curves of the bottom and side panels that result in equal pressures at both sides of the chine. While it has two chines the lower one is immersed. Since the bilge panel is almost the same from bow to stern the principle still applies. All sections are not shown but those that are suggest that the lower chine comes close to bisecting the bottom and bilge panels.
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
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> > It's MAIB V19N01 (may2001)
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> I put scans in the Files section. Although the originals were clear, they don't render well on the screen, nor do I see how they can be downloaded. Well done, Yahoo!
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Thanks much...
Just my first reaction but this would make a seriously great boat! Too bad Phil did not include a cartoon of the "More salty style" he mentions.
Damn another design for the short list...
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
Just my first reaction but this would make a seriously great boat! Too bad Phil did not include a cartoon of the "More salty style" he mentions.
Damn another design for the short list...
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
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> > It's MAIB V19N01 (may2001)
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> I put scans in the Files section. Although the originals were clear, they don't render well on the screen, nor do I see how they can be downloaded. Well done, Yahoo!
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> It's MAIB V19N01 (may2001)I put scans in the Files section. Although the originals were clear, they don't render well on the screen, nor do I see how they can be downloaded. Well done, Yahoo!
It's MAIB V19N01 (may2001) I have been looking at it in FreeShip, and it is really a gigantic boat.
Here is the fbm, (a work in progress), and if I finish anything I would share the isometrics...
http://hallman.org/bolger/501
Here is the fbm, (a work in progress), and if I finish anything I would share the isometrics...
http://hallman.org/bolger/501
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Peter<pvanderwaart@...>wrote:It was the subject of a MAIB piece. I'm pretty sure I scanned the article at one time, and I'll try to remember to look around for it.
Somewhere PCB wrote something like "Eventually I did design a scow schooner with a full-length house. It isn't easy." I tried sketching a slightly smaller one (sitting headroom rather than standing headroom) and I got a taste of what he meant. All sorts of things are tricky. The mainmast is in the way of cabin access (always a big problem with small schooners) and it's devilish hard to arrange jib leads.
The designed mainsail is triangular. PCB wrote that he would prefer gaff. I've always liked the west-coast type schooner with the Marconi main, but I think I'd rig it with a sprit boom or wishbone.
There are oodles of room inside, and a lot of floor space at the request of the client who was an artist or some such. I think the idea was to build out the galley with cabinets from Home Depot, and I might go one better and furnish the rest from IKEA.
Peter> Can anyone point me at a scan of the Livaboard scow schooner #501?
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> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
It was the subject of a MAIB piece. I'm pretty sure I scanned the article at one time, and I'll try to remember to look around for it.
Somewhere PCB wrote something like "Eventually I did design a scow schooner with a full-length house. It isn't easy." I tried sketching a slightly smaller one (sitting headroom rather than standing headroom) and I got a taste of what he meant. All sorts of things are tricky. The mainmast is in the way of cabin access (always a big problem with small schooners) and it's devilish hard to arrange jib leads.
The designed mainsail is triangular. PCB wrote that he would prefer gaff. I've always liked the west-coast type schooner with the Marconi main, but I think I'd rig it with a sprit boom or wishbone.
There are oodles of room inside, and a lot of floor space at the request of the client who was an artist or some such. I think the idea was to build out the galley with cabinets from Home Depot, and I might go one better and furnish the rest from IKEA.
Peter
Somewhere PCB wrote something like "Eventually I did design a scow schooner with a full-length house. It isn't easy." I tried sketching a slightly smaller one (sitting headroom rather than standing headroom) and I got a taste of what he meant. All sorts of things are tricky. The mainmast is in the way of cabin access (always a big problem with small schooners) and it's devilish hard to arrange jib leads.
The designed mainsail is triangular. PCB wrote that he would prefer gaff. I've always liked the west-coast type schooner with the Marconi main, but I think I'd rig it with a sprit boom or wishbone.
There are oodles of room inside, and a lot of floor space at the request of the client who was an artist or some such. I think the idea was to build out the galley with cabinets from Home Depot, and I might go one better and furnish the rest from IKEA.
Peter
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks" <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone point me at a scan of the Livaboard scow schooner #501?
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
Sorry, I can't. That reminds me of the most beautiful scow design I have seen, on paper. It's in John Burke's book, "Pete Culler's Boats" on page 213. He designed it for himself but never built it. Plans were not available and after his death his widow did not offer them for sale. I recall that some years later that they could be purchased. I don't know where, you can look it up. It is a Periauger Scow of 37 feet, two bunks. If you like the looks of older traditional boats then you will enjoy this. Pete's "Skiffs and Schooners" is also superb for traditional designs. It should be cheap too in paperback.
Joe T
Joe T
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks" <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
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> Can anyone point me at a scan of the Livaboard scow schooner #501?
>
> Bob
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
Can anyone point me at a scan of the Livaboard scow schooner #501?
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/