Re: New Free!ship model of Col. H.G. Hassler

> so this contact is excellent

http://www.boral.com.au/plywood/plywood_factory_outlet.asp
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Boral-Plywood-Queensland

Harry, I've found Adam & Scott will set you right. What don't they know? Straight up blokes. You might ask them about info on "stacks" of _firsts_ too, before/instead of contacting those in sales... I've not bought "stacks" there as yet myself, that day cometh, but got that oil there buying seconds. Ya can't dither on the seconds - they go so quick! Real bargains. Also, I gather Ozwood (& seconds) would suit certain boatbuilding applications at significant further savings... I've had trouble seeing the difference in minutes, let alone seconds! It's merely a spec or so from marinewood's immaculate perfection in every which way ever...

Graeme

Thank you Graeme. I’ve purchased more than a 1000 sheets over the last couple of months for another project, so this contact is excellent. I’m sure we can cut a deal if they talk to people requiring just 50 sheets.

 

Thank you too Bruce for the information you sent... Just 2 have ever been built??? I suppose I look at the practical nature of the craft... Is the ugliness that off-putting? There is discussion of it handling rough water, skiing behind it (although that would look a bit odd), the point is that it can go quite fast with not too much power.

 

Polypropylene (PP) honeycomb with a 1mm fiberglass skin costs about $100 US per 4x8 sheet. It can be purchased in 8ft (2.4m) X 40ft (12M) sheets. If this were used on Watervan the planing speed could be acheived with an even smaller outboard, or am I mistaken with these assumptions?

 

I too am interested in ‘Hawkeye’. I assume watervan evolved from this design. Champlain too. Would using lightweight and very strong material like PP honeycomb (Less than ½ the weight of plywood allow for the use of smaller ‘donks’ to push these craft along at similat speeds?

 

Harry Tams

Tasmania

 

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofgraeme19121984
Sent:Friday, 23 July 2010 11:48 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: New Free!ship model of Col. H.G. Hassler

 

 



Hi Harry,

I'm not sure what PP honeycomb panels you're referring to mate, but have you priced purchasing plantation Qld hoop plywood in bulk from a wholesaler/manufacturer like Boral in North Ipswich, Qld? Southern distributors have huge mark-ups! You may be able to negotiate the same wholesale price ex mill as those distributors if you buy a marinewood 'stack' of, say, 50 13mm sheets. You'd probably need to arrange the freight yourself, but, forked on and off, that might come relatively cheap if you shop around. Absolutely no imperfections are allowed in meeting the ASNZS2272 marinewood standard. It is extremely exacting! To pass the grade a sheet must be perfect or it will not bear the inked stamp - the only enforceable stamp in Oz.

Boral's factory outlet (p 07 3432 6524, www.boral.com.au) also occaisionally have very good seconds available that certainly would be more than up to scratch for interior work, but probably should be eyeballed first for exterior marine applications. Many of these marinewood seconds are perfect except for a small piece taken from one corner for batch testing per standards. The rest mostly have a small cosmetic exterior blemish or slight interior "blow", and they're great value ex factory. Boral shift a huge amount to resellers in the south...

BTW, you've seen this Watervanhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bryant_owen/58816573/or the other?

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Tams" <harrytams@...> wrote:

>
> Hello, I'm new to this group. The Col. H.G. Hassler... Is indeed beautiful
> as depicted in Freeship.
>
>
>
> I'll be learning more about negotiating the site and how I can post in
> appropriate sections in the Bolger group over the next weeks.
>
>
>
> My main interest presently is the Bolger Watervan or similar sized step
> sharpie power vessels.
>
>
>
> I'm also exploring the use of 'polypropylene (PP) honeycomb panels' mainly
> because of the large panel sizes available, it's light weight at
80kg/cubic
> metre, it's strength, AND it's cheaper than plywood here in Tasmania.
No...
> I'm not at all associated with anyone selling this PP stuff.
>
>
>
> Please guide me to the correct site/thread/ and don't be afraid to read
the
> 'rules' to me if this posting is not in the correct place within Bolger
> group.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Harry Tams
>
> Tasmania
>

Hi Harry,

I'm not sure what PP honeycomb panels you're referring to mate, but have you priced purchasing plantation Qld hoop plywood in bulk from a wholesaler/manufacturer like Boral in North Ipswich, Qld? Southern distributors have huge mark-ups! You may be able to negotiate the same wholesale price ex mill as those distributors if you buy a marinewood 'stack' of, say, 50 13mm sheets. You'd probably need to arrange the freight yourself, but, forked on and off, that might come relatively cheap if you shop around. Absolutely no imperfections are allowed in meeting the ASNZS2272 marinewood standard. It is extremely exacting! To pass the grade a sheet must be perfect or it will not bear the inked stamp - the only enforceable stamp in Oz.

Boral's factory outlet (p 07 3432 6524, www.boral.com.au) also occaisionally have very good seconds available that certainly would be more than up to scratch for interior work, but probably should be eyeballed first for exterior marine applications. Many of these marinewood seconds are perfect except for a small piece taken from one corner for batch testing per standards. The rest mostly have a small cosmetic exterior blemish or slight interior "blow", and they're great value ex factory. Boral shift a huge amount to resellers in the south...

BTW, you've seen this Watervanhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/bryant_owen/58816573/or the other?

Graeme

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Harry Tams" <harrytams@...> wrote:
>
> Hello, I'm new to this group. The Col. H.G. Hassler... Is indeed beautiful
> as depicted in Freeship.
>
>
>
> I'll be learning more about negotiating the site and how I can post in
> appropriate sections in the Bolger group over the next weeks.
>
>
>
> My main interest presently is the Bolger Watervan or similar sized step
> sharpie power vessels.
>
>
>
> I'm also exploring the use of 'polypropylene (PP) honeycomb panels' mainly
> because of the large panel sizes available, it's light weight at 80kg/cubic
> metre, it's strength, AND it's cheaper than plywood here in Tasmania. No...
> I'm not at all associated with anyone selling this PP stuff.
>
>
>
> Please guide me to the correct site/thread/ and don't be afraid to read the
> 'rules' to me if this posting is not in the correct place within Bolger
> group.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Harry Tams
>
> Tasmania
>

Hello, I’m new to this group. The Col. H.G. Hassler... Is indeed beautiful as depicted in Freeship.

 

I’ll be learning more about negotiating the site and how I can post in appropriate sections in the Bolger group over the next weeks.

 

My main interest presently is the Bolger Watervan or similar sized step sharpie power vessels.

 

I’m also exploring the use of ‘polypropylene (PP) honeycomb panels’ mainly because of the large panel sizes available, it’s light weight at 80kg/cubic metre, it’s strength, AND it’s cheaper than plywood here in Tasmania. No... I’m not at all associated with anyone selling this PP stuff.

 

Please guide me to the correct site/thread/ and don’t be afraid to read the ‘rules’ to me if this posting is not in the correct place within Bolger group.

 

Thanks

 

Harry Tams

Tasmania

Thank you Bruce for your work on #535 Col. H.G. Hasler design.  This is one of my favorite designs.  I sure would like to see someone build her in ply.  Thanks again.

--- OnTue, 7/20/10, Susanne@...<philbolger@...>wrote:

From: Susanne@... <philbolger@...>
Subject: Re: [bolger] New Free!ship model of Col. H.G. Hassler
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 6:38 PM



Bruce,
    very impressive show of #635 from all angles. 
I outlined the concept-study in a Dentist's waiting room while Phil had serious surgery in his mouth.  Phil had done much work earlier with box-keel geometries, such as #610 ALASKA MOTORSAILER.  I just took off from there and with the wish-list in mind.  He liked this concept better than the one he had drawn.  

Today, a plywood version would be a welcome addition to this thinking, easily offering ply+foam liveaboard thermals, less structural weight for more ballast, plus likely a ballast-type centerboard and a few more feet of sail for lighter airs.  The client's insistence on steel won out then.  Most of the functional and structural attributes should work if expressed in ply/foam/glass/epoxy.  Ballast-steel would be reserved for massive armor of the boxkeel bottom as ballast-plate&flange to sail over the flats with and to stand more securely.  I'd likely use heavy steel-core for the C/B as well for further sail-power.  Revisiting this design with these thoughts in mind might yield one of the better long-range micro-cruisers under sail.

Thanks for sharing with all what Phil and I saw in our minds then.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F    

----- Original Message -----
Sent:Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:04 PM
Subject:[bolger] New Free!ship model of Col. H.G. Hassler

 

http://hallman.org/bolger/535/

Shows isometrics of a recent model I have made of my interpretation of
the PB&F design 535, Col. H.G. Hassler. This is a more complicated
model than I usually make, because I have also included modeling of
the sail rigging, showing how I see this iteration of the Bolger
Chinese Gaff rig is configured, including attention to detail of sail
strain and line tension. Including a link to the 'fbm' file, which I
encourage you to take a peek at, because seeing this model rotated in
3D gives some ideas about how the Chinese Gaff Rig geometry plays out.




Bruce,
    very impressive show of #635 from all angles. 
I outlined the concept-study in a Dentist's waiting room while Phil had serious surgery in his mouth.  Phil had done much work earlier with box-keel geometries, such as #610 ALASKA MOTORSAILER.  I just took off from there and with the wish-list in mind.  He liked this concept better than the one he had drawn.  

Today, a plywood version would be a welcome addition to this thinking, easily offering ply+foam liveaboard thermals, less structural weight for more ballast, plus likely a ballast-type centerboard and a few more feet of sail for lighter airs.  The client's insistence on steel won out then.  Most of the functional and structural attributes should work if expressed in ply/foam/glass/epoxy.  Ballast-steel would be reserved for massive armor of the boxkeel bottom as ballast-plate&flange to sail over the flats with and to stand more securely.  I'd likely use heavy steel-core for the C/B as well for further sail-power.  Revisiting this design with these thoughts in mind might yield one of the better long-range micro-cruisers under sail.

Thanks for sharing with all what Phil and I saw in our minds then.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F    

----- Original Message -----
Sent:Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:04 PM
Subject:[bolger] New Free!ship model of Col. H.G. Hassler

 

http://hallman.org/bolger/535/

Shows isometrics of a recent model I have made of my interpretation of
the PB&F design 535, Col. H.G. Hassler. This is a more complicated
model than I usually make, because I have also included modeling of
the sail rigging, showing how I see this iteration of the Bolger
Chinese Gaff rig is configured, including attention to detail of sail
strain and line tension. Including a link to the 'fbm' file, which I
encourage you to take a peek at, because seeing this model rotated in
3D gives some ideas about how the Chinese Gaff Rig geometry plays out.

http://hallman.org/bolger/535/

Shows isometrics of a recent model I have made of my interpretation of
the PB&F design 535, Col. H.G. Hassler. This is a more complicated
model than I usually make, because I have also included modeling of
the sail rigging, showing how I see this iteration of the Bolger
Chinese Gaff rig is configured, including attention to detail of sail
strain and line tension. Including a link to the 'fbm' file, which I
encourage you to take a peek at, because seeing this model rotated in
3D gives some ideas about how the Chinese Gaff Rig geometry plays out.