Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

----- Original Message -----

From:John and Kathy Trussell

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Thursday, August 12, 2010 7:27 AM

Subject:RE: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

 

Susanne,

Silly but essential question. What’s your mailing address?

JohnT

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From:bolger@yahoogroups. com[mailto: bolger@yahoogroups. com ]On Behalf OfSusanne@comcast. net
Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2010 9:33 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups. com
Subject:Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

 

Hello John,

    thanks for your sensitivities on this. 
Plans are indeed available on four 17"x22" sheets at $75.- to build one boat.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From:John and Kathy Trussell

To:bolger@yahoogroups. com

Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:31 PM

Subject:RE: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

 

Susanne,

Totally different subject.

In 1970, I purchased a portfolio of plans from Phil entitled "Very Small
Boats". The Portfolio was the basis for Small Boats. Included in both is
design #234 'Fieldmouse' .

Time passes (improbably, 40 years). I attended Woodenboat Schools class on
glued lapstrake plywood boatbuilding in June and two weeks later, had knee
replacement surgery. As I recover (a slow and unpleasant process), I thought
I would entertain myself by building a Fieldmouse as a small scale exercise
in glued lapstrake plywood.

The numbers on the "Very Small Boats" plans are big enough for my old eyes
and I suspect I could argue that purchase of the portfolio provides the
right to build a boat. However, a man who thinks that right and wrong are
defined by what is legal is not a useful member of society. If large scale
plans are available, I would like to buy a set.

Are plans for #234, 'Fieldmouse' available? If so, let me know how much and
I'll get a check in the mail to you.

Best wishes,
JohnT

-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups. com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
Susanne@comcast. net
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:38 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

Mike,
could you specify which particular thread you are referring to ?
Susanne
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike" <mgraf@.... com>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>
>
>Susanne@comcast. netwrote:
>>
>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>
>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@hotmail. com>
>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups. com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups. com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>> ideas
>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>> cruising/backpackin g.
>>
>>
>> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BolgerCart oons/files/ Camper%20Daysail er/
>>
>> <http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BolgerCart oons/files/ Camper%20Daysail er/>>
>>
>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>> van was
>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>> intended
>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>> more
>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>
>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>> rivers.
>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>
>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>> production
>> day sailors.
>>
>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>
>> Nels
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com<mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@ ...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Suzanne,
>> >
>> > That is wonderful news!
>> >
>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>> PCB
>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>> added
>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>> her as
>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups. com<mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>,
>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Susanne@
>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups. com<mailto:bolger% 40yahoogroups. com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > both designs remain available.
>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>> #386
>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>> rolled in a tube.
>> > >
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
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> Mike,
> Phil and us later together has/have had this on his/our mind(s) across a
> number of studies and designs such as more recently #639 W.D.JOCHEMS 26'+
> trailer schooner. She still liked the addition of 300lbs of solid ballast
> in addition to the water. On the other hand the prototype had fewer
> batteries aboard...
>
> One issue of determing ballast in a trailerable cruiser is always in part
> related to ease of road-hauling. On the other hand, for the often quite
> limited miles a bigger tow-engine might allow more solid ballast for more
> sailing performance. Much of that is also influenced by cruising ambitions
> and the provisions' weights per relative size of the craft. Likely a
> plausible option is to consider keeping commercially-made lead-bricks at
> hand at your house and add or subtract this hard ballast at will, or
> 'under-the-floor-boards' perfectly-fitted steel sheets locked down on four
> corners with toggles and tight nuts, all depending upon your crew weight for
> the weekend, or the load fit for an extensive cruising-itinerary; folding
> water-bladders would allow flexibility as food-cans and water is consumed.
> For daysailing, choreographing 6 butts to move on demand to power even a
> WHALEWATCHER sure will add life to the ride. There is lots of options to
> match single or multi-handing scenaria, day-jaunting or cruising. Most
> folks will eventually come to 'season' to taste.
>
> Susanne Altenburger
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER
>
>
>
>> I'm sorry Suzanne
>> It was going on on the Michalak group, I thought Phil had stated
>> water ballast was most effective when lifted out of the water(heeling)
>> which made me think water ballast would be more effective in a sharpie
>> than a multi-chine(lifting more water out of the water when heeling) I
>> was told "You don't understand"....could be. I was looking for a
>> professional opinion. It got sorta nasty quick ,didn't mean to drag you
>> into it. I love that Camper, hope you get the bugs worked out Mike
>>
>>Susanne@...wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>> could you specify which particular thread you are referring to ?
>>> Susanne
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
>>> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Susanne@...wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>>>>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>>>>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>>>>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
>>>>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>>>>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>>>>> ideas
>>>>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>>>>> cruising/backpacking.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>>>>> van was
>>>>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not
>>>>> one
>>>>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>>>>> intended
>>>>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>>>>> more
>>>>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small
>>>>> centerboard
>>>>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>>>>
>>>>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>>>>> rivers.
>>>>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>>>>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>>>>> production
>>>>> day sailors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nels
>>>>>
>>>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Suzanne,
>>>>> >
>>>>> > That is wonderful news!
>>>>> >
>>>>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still
>>>>> top
>>>>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>>>>> PCB
>>>>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>>>>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>>>>> added
>>>>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail
>>>>> and
>>>>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that
>>>>> the
>>>>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>>>>> her as
>>>>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bruce
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>>>>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>>>>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > > From: Susanne@
>>>>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>>>>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Hello all,
>>>>> > > both designs remain available.
>>>>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>>>>> #386
>>>>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>>>>> rolled in a tube.
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>>> > >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>> (978) 282-1349
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----- Original Message -----
From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER


> I'm sorry Suzanne
> It was going on on the Michalak group, I thought Phil had stated
> water ballast was most effective when lifted out of the water(heeling)
> which made me think water ballast would be more effective in a sharpie
> than a multi-chine(lifting more water out of the water when heeling) I
> was told "You don't understand"....could be. I was looking for a
> professional opinion. It got sorta nasty quick ,didn't mean to drag you
> into it. I love that Camper, hope you get the bugs worked out Mike
>
>Susanne@...wrote:
>> Mike,
>> could you specify which particular thread you are referring to ?
>> Susanne
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
>> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER
>>
>>
>>
>>> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>Susanne@...wrote:
>>>
>>>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>>>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>>>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>>>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>>>
>>>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
>>>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>>>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>>>
>>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>>
>>>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>>>> ideas
>>>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>>>> cruising/backpacking.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
>>>>
>>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>>>> van was
>>>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not
>>>> one
>>>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>>>> intended
>>>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>>>> more
>>>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small
>>>> centerboard
>>>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>>>
>>>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>>>> rivers.
>>>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>>>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>>>> production
>>>> day sailors.
>>>>
>>>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>>>
>>>> Nels
>>>>
>>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Suzanne,
>>>> >
>>>> > That is wonderful news!
>>>> >
>>>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still
>>>> top
>>>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>>>> PCB
>>>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>>>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>>>> added
>>>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail
>>>> and
>>>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that
>>>> the
>>>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>>>> her as
>>>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>>>> >
>>>> > Bruce
>>>> >
>>>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>>>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>>>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > > From: Susanne@
>>>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>>>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>>>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Hello all,
>>>> > > both designs remain available.
>>>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>>>> #386
>>>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>>>> rolled in a tube.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>> > >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
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>>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
>>> horses
>>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930,
>>> Fax:
>>> (978) 282-1349
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>>>
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>>
>>
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>> (978) 282-1349
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----- Original Message -----

From:prairiedog2332

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2010 7:18 PM

Subject:[bolger] Re: On #640 CAMPER

 

I can recall I found the 150 sq. ft. main and boom a bit intimidating
especially in a blow.

Shorter boom and maybe a tiny mizzen crossed my mind which maybe could
hold station while reefing or heaving to with the mast down.

Alternately - maybe adding another layer to the bottom? I have an idea
about two portable rollers to get up on the beach if required. A design
of Sven Yrvind I believe, that even has been proven in soft sand. Flat
plywood board with a roller installed on the top. The plywood faces down
onto the sand.

I found the strut between boom and mast most intriguing, rather than
having a kicking strap to keep the boom down. That seemed a good idea
for several small gaff-rigged designs.

Does it work?

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both -
somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: prairiedog2332
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
ideas
> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
> cruising/backpacking.
>
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>
>
> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my van
was
> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
intended
> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
more
> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small
centerboard
> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>
> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
rivers.
> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>
> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
production
> day sailors.
>
> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "motorpickleman" bowilkinson@ wrote:
> >
> > Suzanne,
> >
> > That is wonderful news!
> >
> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still
top
> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
PCB
> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
added
> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that
the
> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
her as
> well. Happy sailing to all.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
> > > Still spacey... it seems.
> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Susanne@
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > both designs remain available.
> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
#386
> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
> rolled in a tube.
> > >
> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From:John and Kathy Trussell

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2010 6:31 PM

Subject:RE: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

 

Susanne,

Totally different subject.

In 1970, I purchased a portfolio of plans from Phil entitled "Very Small
Boats". The Portfolio was the basis for Small Boats. Included in both is
design #234 'Fieldmouse'.

Time passes (improbably, 40 years). I attended Woodenboat Schools class on
glued lapstrake plywood boatbuilding in June and two weeks later, had knee
replacement surgery. As I recover (a slow and unpleasant process), I thought
I would entertain myself by building a Fieldmouse as a small scale exercise
in glued lapstrake plywood.

The numbers on the "Very Small Boats" plans are big enough for my old eyes
and I suspect I could argue that purchase of the portfolio provides the
right to build a boat. However, a man who thinks that right and wrong are
defined by what is legal is not a useful member of society. If large scale
plans are available, I would like to buy a set.

Are plans for #234, 'Fieldmouse' available? If so, let me know how much and
I'll get a check in the mail to you.

Best wishes,
JohnT

-----Original Message-----
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Susanne@...
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:38 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

Mike,
could you specify which particular thread you are referring to ?
Susanne
----- Original Message -----
From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER

> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>
>
>Susanne@...wrote:
>>
>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>
>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>> ideas
>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>> cruising/backpacking.
>>
>>
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
>>
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>>
>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>> van was
>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>> intended
>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>> more
>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>
>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>> rivers.
>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>
>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>> production
>> day sailors.
>>
>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>
>> Nels
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Suzanne,
>> >
>> > That is wonderful news!
>> >
>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>> PCB
>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>> added
>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>> her as
>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Susanne@
>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > both designs remain available.
>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>> #386
>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>> rolled in a tube.
>> > >
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both -
somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: prairiedog2332
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>
>
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
ideas
> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
> cruising/backpacking.
>
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>
>
> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my van
was
> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
intended
> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
more
> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small
centerboard
> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>
> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
rivers.
> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>
> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
production
> day sailors.
>
> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "motorpickleman" bowilkinson@ wrote:
> >
> > Suzanne,
> >
> > That is wonderful news!
> >
> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still
top
> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
PCB
> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
added
> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that
the
> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
her as
> well. Happy sailing to all.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
> > > Still spacey... it seems.
> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Susanne@
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > both designs remain available.
> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
#386
> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
> rolled in a tube.
> > >
> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > >
> >
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER


> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>
>
>Susanne@...wrote:
>>
>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>
>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>> ideas
>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>> cruising/backpacking.
>>
>>
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
>>
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>>
>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>> van was
>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>> intended
>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>> more
>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>
>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>> rivers.
>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>
>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>> production
>> day sailors.
>>
>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>
>> Nels
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Suzanne,
>> >
>> > That is wonderful news!
>> >
>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>> PCB
>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>> added
>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>> her as
>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Susanne@
>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > both designs remain available.
>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>> #386
>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>> rolled in a tube.
>> > >
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
> horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
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> Mike,
> could you specify which particular thread you are referring to ?
> Susanne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER
>
>
>
>> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>>
>>
>>Susanne@...wrote:
>>
>>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>>
>>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
>>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>>
>>> Hi Bruce,
>>>
>>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>>> ideas
>>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>>> cruising/backpacking.
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
>>>
>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>>>
>>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>>> van was
>>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
>>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>>> intended
>>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>>> more
>>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
>>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>>
>>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>>> rivers.
>>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>>
>>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>>> production
>>> day sailors.
>>>
>>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>>
>>> Nels
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Suzanne,
>>> >
>>> > That is wonderful news!
>>> >
>>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
>>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>>> PCB
>>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>>> added
>>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
>>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
>>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>>> her as
>>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>>> >
>>> > Bruce
>>> >
>>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From: Susanne@
>>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > Hello all,
>>> > > both designs remain available.
>>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>>> #386
>>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>>> rolled in a tube.
>>> > >
>>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>> > >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
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>> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead
>> horses
>> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
>> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
>> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax:
>> (978) 282-1349
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>>
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>>
>>
>>
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>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "mike" <mgraf@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] On #640 CAMPER


> Susanne Would you comment on this water ballast debate? Mike
>
>
>Susanne@...wrote:
>>
>> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
>> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
>> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
>> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>>
>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
>> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
>> ideas
>> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
>> cruising/backpacking.
>>
>>
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
>>
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>>
>> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
>> van was
>> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
>> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
>> intended
>> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much
>> more
>> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
>> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>>
>> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing
>> rivers.
>> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>>
>> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
>> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
>> production
>> day sailors.
>>
>> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>>
>> Nels
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Suzanne,
>> >
>> > That is wonderful news!
>> >
>> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
>> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs
>> PCB
>> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
>> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
>> added
>> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
>> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
>> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
>> her as
>> well. Happy sailing to all.
>> >
>> > Bruce
>> >
>> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
>> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
>> > > Still spacey... it seems.
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > From: Susanne@
>> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
>> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Hello all,
>> > > both designs remain available.
>> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and
>> #386
>> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
>> rolled in a tube.
>> > >
>> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
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> I should state that early experiences with the first CAMPER completed
> in California suggest the need for some ballast or lighter rig or both
> - somewhat startling news indeed. I understand that actual experiments
> are on-going. I will keep you posted.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* prairiedog2332 <mailto:arvent@...>
> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM
> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>
> Hi Bruce,
>
> I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design
> ideas
> and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
> cruising/backpacking.
>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>>
>
> I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my
> van was
> stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
> single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its
> intended
> purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much more
> compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
> combo and tabernacle make it even handier.
>
> My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing rivers.
> Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.
>
> I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
> larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many
> production
> day sailors.
>
> Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
> >
> > Suzanne,
> >
> > That is wonderful news!
> >
> > And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
> of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs PCB
> penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
> Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we
> added
> Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
> less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
> more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in
> her as
> well. Happy sailing to all.
> >
> > Bruce
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Should have added $250.- for #386.
> > > Still spacey... it seems.
> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Susanne@
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> > > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > both designs remain available.
> > > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and #386
> PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
> rolled in a tube.
> > >
> > > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > >
> >
>
>

----- Original Message -----

From:prairiedog2332

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2010 4:48 PM

Subject:[bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA

 

Hi Bruce,

I think Camper is a "distillation" of several of Bolger's design ideas
and ideal for a couple who are into rowing/sailing camp
cruising/backpacking.

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BolgerCartoons/files/Camper%20Daysailer/>

I had a set of plans and was really looking to build it when my van was
stolen along with the plans I was carrying with me. There is not one
single thing about the design that doesn't seem perfect for its intended
purpose and very easy to build. Basically a flat-iron skiff. Much more
compact than a BW and I think the large rudder area/small centerboard
combo and tabernacle make it even handier.

My main area to use it was in sheltered lakes and slow flowing rivers.
Maybe even considering a little 2 hp for going upstream.

I don't think it suitable for going off-shore at all or even on the
larger lakes, but at the same time I would trust if over many production
day sailors.

Cannot fathom why it never garnered more interest.

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>
> Suzanne,
>
> That is wonderful news!
>
> And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs PCB
penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we added
Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in her as
well. Happy sailing to all.
>
> Bruce
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
> >
> > Should have added $250.- for #386.
> > Still spacey... it seems.
> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Susanne@
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> > both designs remain available.
> > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and #386
PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
rolled in a tube.
> >
> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> >
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "motorpickleman" <bowilkinson@...> wrote:
>
> Suzanne,
>
> That is wonderful news!
>
> And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top
of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs PCB
penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga,
Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we added
Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and
less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the
more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in her as
well. Happy sailing to all.
>
> Bruce
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@" philbolger@ wrote:
> >
> > Should have added $250.- for #386.
> > Still spacey... it seems.
> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Susanne@
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello all,
> > both designs remain available.
> > Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and #386
PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail
rolled in a tube.
> >
> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> >
>

----- Original Message -----

From:motorpickleman

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Wednesday, August 11, 2010 3:04 PM

Subject:[bolger] Re: #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA

 

Suzanne,

That is wonderful news!

And thanks to all who provided ideas and insight. Pico is still top of the list for me, but fun to see and hear about the many designs PCB penned that use Sail and Oar. I had started with Dovekie, Anhinga, Birdwatcher I and II, Camper, and Otter I and II. To this list we added Dugong, and perhaps Windfola altthough she is probably more sail and less oar. But also a very beautiful boat. I do have to admit that the more I look at Camper, the more fun I have imaginning cruising in her as well. Happy sailing to all.

Bruce

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Should have added $250.- for #386.
> Still spacey... it seems.
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susanne@...
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
> both designs remain available.
> Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and #386 PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail rolled in a tube.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Should have added $250.- for #386.
> Still spacey... it seems.
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susanne@...
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM
> Subject: [bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA
>
>
>
>
> Hello all,
> both designs remain available.
> Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and #386 PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail rolled in a tube.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>

----- Original Message -----

From:Susanne@...

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Monday, August 09, 2010 3:55 PM

Subject:[bolger] #386 PICO & #484 ANHINGA

 

Hello all,

    both designs remain available. 
Phil listed #484 ANHINGA on 4 sheets (17"x22") for $200.- and #386 PICO on 5 sheets (17"x 22"), to build one boat, sent priority-mail rolled in a tube.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F