Re: Enlarging a Plan
Thanks Les. I somehow missed them, but will definitely check them
out.
Phil
out.
Phil
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Les Lampman" <les@e...> wrote:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Been too busy 'til now to keep up with the posts lately, hence the
late
> response. If you're not specifically after a Bolger design
(notwithstanding
> this being a Bolger list!) you might try Selway Fisher's designs.
I
got
> their catalogue and found quite a few nice triple keelers. They
also have a
> website (www.selway-fisher.com).
>
> Les
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: srelt@i... [mailto:srelt@i...]
> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:11 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Enlarging a Plan
>
>
> Peter:
> Originally I looked for a triple keeler but found none--got one in
> mind? Originally too, I considered a true gaff cutter rig or gaff
> cutter yawl if there's room for a mizzen.
>
> Phil
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...>
wrote:
> > I just have to mention that I personally would not want the
Chinese
> > Gaffer rig in a trailer boat. Too much rope.
> >
> > Of course, neatly coiled lines have been seen to jump into snarls
> as
> > I approach.
> >
> > As for hull model for your service, I would take the triple keel
> > sloop as a starting point absent any other restrictions.
> >
> >
> > Peter (who got caught in a thunderstorm while out racing last
> night,
> > and didn't enjoy it a bit)
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
A comprehensive fully cross referenced index of all printed articles
in MAIB is found on the web at
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com
Just click on Index Of Printed Articles
Dave Thibodeau
in MAIB is found on the web at
http://www.messingaboutinboats.com
Just click on Index Of Printed Articles
Dave Thibodeau
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "curtis betts" <curtis@f...> wrote:
> Hi all, I've seen a number of posts by people who don't get Messing
> About in Boats.
>
> May I suggest that anyone with enough interest in Bolger boats to
> track this newsgroup really should subscribe to MAIB. It's cheap,
> and has more Bolger content than you'll find anywhere else,
including
> his books. In the ads there are even boats straight from your wish
> list, sometimes for less than the materials.
>
> Besides, Bob Hicks needs continued financial support to keep
> this "real boat" magazine going.
>
> Does anybody have a list/index of Bolger columns? I have pretty
much
> all the back issues, but anytime I go to look for something, I get
> sidetracked perusing all the other great stuff. Think PCB would
> consider putting out a compilation?
>
> Curtis Betts
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, srelt@i... wrote:
> > I believe someone told me the June issue
> > of MAIB but I don't subscribe and they don't provide back issues
on
> > the web. Thanks for the help.
> >
Hi Phil,
Been too busy 'til now to keep up with the posts lately, hence the late
response. If you're not specifically after a Bolger design (notwithstanding
this being a Bolger list!) you might try Selway Fisher's designs. I got
their catalogue and found quite a few nice triple keelers. They also have a
website (www.selway-fisher.com).
Les
-----Original Message-----
From:srelt@...[mailto:srelt@...]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:11 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Enlarging a Plan
Peter:
Originally I looked for a triple keeler but found none--got one in
mind? Originally too, I considered a true gaff cutter rig or gaff
cutter yawl if there's room for a mizzen.
Phil
Been too busy 'til now to keep up with the posts lately, hence the late
response. If you're not specifically after a Bolger design (notwithstanding
this being a Bolger list!) you might try Selway Fisher's designs. I got
their catalogue and found quite a few nice triple keelers. They also have a
website (www.selway-fisher.com).
Les
-----Original Message-----
From:srelt@...[mailto:srelt@...]
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 8:11 AM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Enlarging a Plan
Peter:
Originally I looked for a triple keeler but found none--got one in
mind? Originally too, I considered a true gaff cutter rig or gaff
cutter yawl if there's room for a mizzen.
Phil
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> I just have to mention that I personally would not want the Chinese
> Gaffer rig in a trailer boat. Too much rope.
>
> Of course, neatly coiled lines have been seen to jump into snarls
as
> I approach.
>
> As for hull model for your service, I would take the triple keel
> sloop as a starting point absent any other restrictions.
>
>
> Peter (who got caught in a thunderstorm while out racing last
night,
> and didn't enjoy it a bit)
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Hi all, I've seen a number of posts by people who don't get Messing
About in Boats.
May I suggest that anyone with enough interest in Bolger boats to
track this newsgroup really should subscribe to MAIB. It's cheap,
and has more Bolger content than you'll find anywhere else, including
his books. In the ads there are even boats straight from your wish
list, sometimes for less than the materials.
Besides, Bob Hicks needs continued financial support to keep
this "real boat" magazine going.
Does anybody have a list/index of Bolger columns? I have pretty much
all the back issues, but anytime I go to look for something, I get
sidetracked perusing all the other great stuff. Think PCB would
consider putting out a compilation?
Curtis Betts
About in Boats.
May I suggest that anyone with enough interest in Bolger boats to
track this newsgroup really should subscribe to MAIB. It's cheap,
and has more Bolger content than you'll find anywhere else, including
his books. In the ads there are even boats straight from your wish
list, sometimes for less than the materials.
Besides, Bob Hicks needs continued financial support to keep
this "real boat" magazine going.
Does anybody have a list/index of Bolger columns? I have pretty much
all the back issues, but anytime I go to look for something, I get
sidetracked perusing all the other great stuff. Think PCB would
consider putting out a compilation?
Curtis Betts
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, srelt@i... wrote:
> I believe someone told me the June issue
> of MAIB but I don't subscribe and they don't provide back issues on
> the web. Thanks for the help.
>
To correct the record: The designed displacement is 3800lbs. I don't
have any idea what the empty weight would be. The writeup
in "Different Boats" does not mention Cape Cod, just a tidal flat.
Vital statistics: 22"x7'4"x1'6", 337 sq ft of sail.
PHV
have any idea what the empty weight would be. The writeup
in "Different Boats" does not mention Cape Cod, just a tidal flat.
Vital statistics: 22"x7'4"x1'6", 337 sq ft of sail.
PHV
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> Phil,
>
> Mr. Bolger's triple keel sloop is about 22 feet, strip planked,
gaff
> rigged with a short bowsprit. I think it's flush decked, sort of
> like the Micros. I would say that it is a small version of his
> Manatee-type boats. He shows sleeping for two and an inboard. I
think
> the displacement is in the 2500-3000 lb range, but I haven't had a
> chance to look it up.
>
> As I remember, the boat was designed for a shoal area on the north
> side of Cape Cod and for a mooring that would dry out everyday. I
> think it would be a very nice boat if you are not focussed on
upwind
> sailing performance where it would not shine for both hydronamic
and
> aerodynamic reasons.
>
> The mast steps through the deck down onto the keel, which would
keep
> it from being a handy trailer proposition as drawn. I am also not
> sure about using a plain strip-built boat for trailering, but the
> construction could be altered by using thinner strips and adding a
> cold-molded veneer. This puts the building project well out of the
> stitch & glue class, but many amateurs have done bigger and harder.
> (Not me! I all but failed a smaller and easier.)
>
> I think it's shown in his book "Different Boats", and I saw once
that
> he had listed it as a plan that he has for sale to amateur
builders,
> so I am sure he would be gracious about serious inquiries.
>
> If you need more info, let me know.
>
> Peter
Phil,
Mr. Bolger's triple keel sloop is about 22 feet, strip planked, gaff
rigged with a short bowsprit. I think it's flush decked, sort of
like the Micros. I would say that it is a small version of his
Manatee-type boats. He shows sleeping for two and an inboard. I think
the displacement is in the 2500-3000 lb range, but I haven't had a
chance to look it up.
As I remember, the boat was designed for a shoal area on the north
side of Cape Cod and for a mooring that would dry out everyday. I
think it would be a very nice boat if you are not focussed on upwind
sailing performance where it would not shine for both hydronamic and
aerodynamic reasons.
The mast steps through the deck down onto the keel, which would keep
it from being a handy trailer proposition as drawn. I am also not
sure about using a plain strip-built boat for trailering, but the
construction could be altered by using thinner strips and adding a
cold-molded veneer. This puts the building project well out of the
stitch & glue class, but many amateurs have done bigger and harder.
(Not me! I all but failed a smaller and easier.)
I think it's shown in his book "Different Boats", and I saw once that
he had listed it as a plan that he has for sale to amateur builders,
so I am sure he would be gracious about serious inquiries.
If you need more info, let me know.
Peter
Mr. Bolger's triple keel sloop is about 22 feet, strip planked, gaff
rigged with a short bowsprit. I think it's flush decked, sort of
like the Micros. I would say that it is a small version of his
Manatee-type boats. He shows sleeping for two and an inboard. I think
the displacement is in the 2500-3000 lb range, but I haven't had a
chance to look it up.
As I remember, the boat was designed for a shoal area on the north
side of Cape Cod and for a mooring that would dry out everyday. I
think it would be a very nice boat if you are not focussed on upwind
sailing performance where it would not shine for both hydronamic and
aerodynamic reasons.
The mast steps through the deck down onto the keel, which would keep
it from being a handy trailer proposition as drawn. I am also not
sure about using a plain strip-built boat for trailering, but the
construction could be altered by using thinner strips and adding a
cold-molded veneer. This puts the building project well out of the
stitch & glue class, but many amateurs have done bigger and harder.
(Not me! I all but failed a smaller and easier.)
I think it's shown in his book "Different Boats", and I saw once that
he had listed it as a plan that he has for sale to amateur builders,
so I am sure he would be gracious about serious inquiries.
If you need more info, let me know.
Peter
Thanks for the url Michael. I believe someone told me the June issue
of MAIB but I don't subscribe and they don't provide back issues on
the web. Thanks for the help.
Phil Sharp
of MAIB but I don't subscribe and they don't provide back issues on
the web. Thanks for the help.
Phil Sharp
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Michael Surface" <msurface@h...> wrote:
> Phil
>
> Take a look at this site.
>
>http://members.tripod.lycos.com/mkstocks/boats/martha_jane/index.htm
>
> The design is discussed in MAIB I don't remember which issure
(anyone
> outthere that can help with this?) The plans are availible from
Phil Bolger
> and Fiends only. CSB told me that they would not me providing the
new
> design. Hope this helps.
>
> Michael Surface Still Building
>
>
> >From: srelt@i...
> >Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
> >To:bolger@egroups.com
> >Subject: [bolger] Enlarging a Plan
> >Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:04:32 -0000
> >
> >Thank you for all the comments. I am probably not as inept at boat
> >design and construction as I appear, and, much more probably, more
so
> >than I know. So, thanks for your restraint.
> >
> >Several mentioned the new Martha Jane. I can find nothing about
it.
> >I have an old Commonsense catalogue, the web, and PB's "Boats with
an
> >Open Mind." So far I have seen nothing new. Can someone put me
onto
> >a better, available source?
> >
> >Phil Sharp
> >
>
>
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Peter:
Originally I looked for a triple keeler but found none--got one in
mind? Originally too, I considered a true gaff cutter rig or gaff
cutter yawl if there's room for a mizzen.
Phil
Originally I looked for a triple keeler but found none--got one in
mind? Originally too, I considered a true gaff cutter rig or gaff
cutter yawl if there's room for a mizzen.
Phil
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Peter Vanderwaart" <pvanderw@o...> wrote:
> I just have to mention that I personally would not want the Chinese
> Gaffer rig in a trailer boat. Too much rope.
>
> Of course, neatly coiled lines have been seen to jump into snarls
as
> I approach.
>
> As for hull model for your service, I would take the triple keel
> sloop as a starting point absent any other restrictions.
>
>
> Peter (who got caught in a thunderstorm while out racing last
night,
> and didn't enjoy it a bit)
I just have to mention that I personally would not want the Chinese
Gaffer rig in a trailer boat. Too much rope.
Of course, neatly coiled lines have been seen to jump into snarls as
I approach.
As for hull model for your service, I would take the triple keel
sloop as a starting point absent any other restrictions.
Peter (who got caught in a thunderstorm while out racing last night,
and didn't enjoy it a bit)
Gaffer rig in a trailer boat. Too much rope.
Of course, neatly coiled lines have been seen to jump into snarls as
I approach.
As for hull model for your service, I would take the triple keel
sloop as a starting point absent any other restrictions.
Peter (who got caught in a thunderstorm while out racing last night,
and didn't enjoy it a bit)
Okay--sounds promising. I will check out MAIB tomorrow. Thanks
again, "hwal." Those are all items I had considered necessary, but
lacked the knowledge to pursue.
Phil Sharp
again, "hwal." Those are all items I had considered necessary, but
lacked the knowledge to pursue.
Phil Sharp
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, hwal@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/3/2000 8:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
srelt@i...
> writes:
>
> << Several mentioned the new Martha Jane. I can find nothing about
it.
> I have an old Commonsense catalogue, the web, and PB's "Boats with
an
> Open Mind." So far I have seen nothing new. Can someone put me
onto
> a better, available source?
>
> Phil Sharp
> >>
> The "old martha jane" has just been updated by mr. b. There are
various
> options - a raised "house", sponsons for improved secondary
stability,
> increased ballast, a new design for leeboards and dual shallow
draft rudders
> which draw the same depth as the boat. One would need the old
plans
and an
> set of the upgrades from mr. b. I don't know if they are cheaper as
a package
> deal - the upgrades alone for an existing boat were sold for 50$.
An
> article about the new design was in a june issue of MAIB.
>
> steve anderson ( currently working on the new rudders and soon to
be
working
> on sponsons)
In a message dated 8/3/2000 8:05:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,srelt@...
writes:
<< Several mentioned the new Martha Jane. I can find nothing about it.
I have an old Commonsense catalogue, the web, and PB's "Boats with an
Open Mind." So far I have seen nothing new. Can someone put me onto
a better, available source?
Phil Sharp
options - a raised "house", sponsons for improved secondary stability,
increased ballast, a new design for leeboards and dual shallow draft rudders
which draw the same depth as the boat. One would need the old plans and an
set of the upgrades from mr. b. I don't know if they are cheaper as a package
deal - the upgrades alone for an existing boat were sold for 50$. An
article about the new design was in a june issue of MAIB.
steve anderson ( currently working on the new rudders and soon to be working
on sponsons)
writes:
<< Several mentioned the new Martha Jane. I can find nothing about it.
I have an old Commonsense catalogue, the web, and PB's "Boats with an
Open Mind." So far I have seen nothing new. Can someone put me onto
a better, available source?
Phil Sharp
>>The "old martha jane" has just been updated by mr. b. There are various
options - a raised "house", sponsons for improved secondary stability,
increased ballast, a new design for leeboards and dual shallow draft rudders
which draw the same depth as the boat. One would need the old plans and an
set of the upgrades from mr. b. I don't know if they are cheaper as a package
deal - the upgrades alone for an existing boat were sold for 50$. An
article about the new design was in a june issue of MAIB.
steve anderson ( currently working on the new rudders and soon to be working
on sponsons)
Phil
Take a look at this site.
http://members.tripod.lycos.com/mkstocks/boats/martha_jane/index.htm
The design is discussed in MAIB I don't remember which issure (anyone
outthere that can help with this?) The plans are availible from Phil Bolger
and Fiends only. CSB told me that they would not me providing the new
design. Hope this helps.
Michael Surface Still Building
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail athttp://www.hotmail.com
Take a look at this site.
http://members.tripod.lycos.com/mkstocks/boats/martha_jane/index.htm
The design is discussed in MAIB I don't remember which issure (anyone
outthere that can help with this?) The plans are availible from Phil Bolger
and Fiends only. CSB told me that they would not me providing the new
design. Hope this helps.
Michael Surface Still Building
>From:srelt@...________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Enlarging a Plan
>Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:04:32 -0000
>
>Thank you for all the comments. I am probably not as inept at boat
>design and construction as I appear, and, much more probably, more so
>than I know. So, thanks for your restraint.
>
>Several mentioned the new Martha Jane. I can find nothing about it.
>I have an old Commonsense catalogue, the web, and PB's "Boats with an
>Open Mind." So far I have seen nothing new. Can someone put me onto
>a better, available source?
>
>Phil Sharp
>
Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail athttp://www.hotmail.com
In a message dated 8/2/2000 6:31:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,srelt@...
writes:
<< Also, it has a keel where Martha Jane has
the leeboards--nice for shallow shoreline work, but probably unsuited for
offshore trips. >>
The "New Martha Jane" could probably do it - but for my part I don't think I
would want a flat bottomed boat for regular off-shore sailing - I would want
a nice round bottomed boat that would respond more kindly to waves and swells
- and yes ... off shore a keel is comforting. Steve
writes:
<< Also, it has a keel where Martha Jane has
the leeboards--nice for shallow shoreline work, but probably unsuited for
offshore trips. >>
The "New Martha Jane" could probably do it - but for my part I don't think I
would want a flat bottomed boat for regular off-shore sailing - I would want
a nice round bottomed boat that would respond more kindly to waves and swells
- and yes ... off shore a keel is comforting. Steve
Two butts of plywood will get you a Martha Jane.
ED HAILE
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ED HAILE
>From:srelt@...________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: [bolger] Enlarging a Plan
>Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 15:28:12 -0000
>
>I am thinking about purchasing a Long Micro plan and enlarging it
>mathematically to 23' 6". Anyone see a problem from that? I thought
>I would increase the scantlings by 1/4" ply all about.
>
>Phil Sharp
>srelt@...
>
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I thought about that, but I thought a boat that was more of a cruiser and
less of a sharpie was what I wanted. At 23.5' X 7.25' X 1' hull draft it
would have enough displacement to have some space inside, still be
trailerable, provide room for extended times for me and my wife but still be
simple enough for singlehanding. Also, it has a keel where Martha Jane has
the leeboards--nice for shallow shoreline work, but probably unsuited for
offshore trips.
Phil Sharp
hwal@...wrote:
less of a sharpie was what I wanted. At 23.5' X 7.25' X 1' hull draft it
would have enough displacement to have some space inside, still be
trailerable, provide room for extended times for me and my wife but still be
simple enough for singlehanding. Also, it has a keel where Martha Jane has
the leeboards--nice for shallow shoreline work, but probably unsuited for
offshore trips.
Phil Sharp
hwal@...wrote:
> In a message dated 8/2/2000 11:29:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>srelt@...writes:
>
> << I am thinking about purchasing a Long Micro plan and enlarging it
> mathematically to 23' 6". Anyone see a problem from that? I thought
> I would increase the scantlings by 1/4" ply all about.
> >>
>
> Why not just buy the martha jane plans? Steve Anderson
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Phil,
I'm not absolutely sure, but I think we had a
thread on this topic in the last year.
A look back could be very rewarding,
I cant remember the thread title malheureusement.
Jeff Gilbert.
I'm not absolutely sure, but I think we had a
thread on this topic in the last year.
A look back could be very rewarding,
I cant remember the thread title malheureusement.
Jeff Gilbert.
----- Original Message -----
I am thinking about purchasing a Long Micro plan and enlarging it
mathematically to 23' 6". Anyone see a problem from that? I thought
I would increase the scantlings by 1/4" ply all about.
Phil Sharp
srelt@...
In a message dated 8/2/2000 11:29:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
srelt@...writes:
<< I am thinking about purchasing a Long Micro plan and enlarging it
mathematically to 23' 6". Anyone see a problem from that? I thought
I would increase the scantlings by 1/4" ply all about.
srelt@...writes:
<< I am thinking about purchasing a Long Micro plan and enlarging it
mathematically to 23' 6". Anyone see a problem from that? I thought
I would increase the scantlings by 1/4" ply all about.
>>Why not just buy the martha jane plans? Steve Anderson