Re: [bolger] Re: Safety of ballasted vs. unballasted open boats
Bill in MN,
As for reefing a sprit-boom rig, on my Martha Jane I remove the sprit, wrap
the sail twice (or three times, I forget) around the mizzenmast and I have a
nice sheet angle for loose-footed. On a mainsail, there's nothing to prevent
a moveable mainsheet cleat so you can adjust for any number of wraps.
ED HAILE
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As for reefing a sprit-boom rig, on my Martha Jane I remove the sprit, wrap
the sail twice (or three times, I forget) around the mizzenmast and I have a
nice sheet angle for loose-footed. On a mainsail, there's nothing to prevent
a moveable mainsheet cleat so you can adjust for any number of wraps.
ED HAILE
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>Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Safety of ballasted vs. unballasted open boats
>Date: Mon, 7 Aug 2000 23:31:02 EDT
>
>In a message dated 8/7/00 6:13:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
>sanmi@...writes:
>
><< In my opinion, the rig contributes most to a boat's seaworthiness,
> sail shortening effectiveness being the most important. >>
>
>IMHO, being able to shorten sail, while still having enough propulsion for
>control is a terrific virtue, and one to rarely found in production or
>chartered boats. For all the virtues that Bolger claims for the
>sprit-sharpie
>rig, I've never seen a very convincing demonstration of how one reefs such
>a
>rig when one has realized the need (almost invariably too late, alas) do
>so.
>Mast-head sloops, with standing rigging have a number of vices, but
>slab-reefing of the mains have great virtues!
>
>Bill in MN
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In a message dated 8/7/2000 7:13:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sanmi@...writes:
<< I sailed a completely open boat, a 21' Drascombe Longboat, for 20
years and I would rather weather a gale on her than on most 30
footers that I know of.
any weather than any other boat - and that's my sea pearl 21. I've been in
some real nasty conditions in our pearl - she has a beautifully flaired hull
which does well in rough water. And I doubt there is any boat anywhere which
is as easy to reef - She's a cat ketch and the sails reef by rolling them
around the masts - which turn in place. She also has over 400 lbs of water
ballast. The other advantage to a ketch ( also a yawl) - if conditions are
real bad - you can set the mizzen - furl the main and ride it out like a
duck. I think there are some similarities between the drascomb and the sp.
Steve Anderson
sanmi@...writes:
<< I sailed a completely open boat, a 21' Drascombe Longboat, for 20
years and I would rather weather a gale on her than on most 30
footers that I know of.
>>I too have an open boat - which to date - I have felt more comfortable in in
any weather than any other boat - and that's my sea pearl 21. I've been in
some real nasty conditions in our pearl - she has a beautifully flaired hull
which does well in rough water. And I doubt there is any boat anywhere which
is as easy to reef - She's a cat ketch and the sails reef by rolling them
around the masts - which turn in place. She also has over 400 lbs of water
ballast. The other advantage to a ketch ( also a yawl) - if conditions are
real bad - you can set the mizzen - furl the main and ride it out like a
duck. I think there are some similarities between the drascomb and the sp.
Steve Anderson
I happen to have just finished a 15' sprit boomed sharpie skiff, and
I sewed two horizontal rows of reef points in the sail. I haven't
had to reef yet, only tried it on the trailer - but it seems that the
reefing proceedure isn't too bad. It is a little more clumsy than
with the Drascombe, which has a loose footed main with lace reef
points. Slab jiffy reefing is way easier to operate, but on the
other hand, it has more moving parts to fail.
We'll see how it works out in practice.
Frank
I sewed two horizontal rows of reef points in the sail. I haven't
had to reef yet, only tried it on the trailer - but it seems that the
reefing proceedure isn't too bad. It is a little more clumsy than
with the Drascombe, which has a loose footed main with lace reef
points. Slab jiffy reefing is way easier to operate, but on the
other hand, it has more moving parts to fail.
We'll see how it works out in practice.
Frank
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, wmrpage@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/7/00 6:13:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
> sanmi@c... writes:
>
> << In my opinion, the rig contributes most to a boat's
seaworthiness,
> sail shortening effectiveness being the most important. >>
>
> IMHO, being able to shorten sail, while still having enough
propulsion for
> control is a terrific virtue, and one to rarely found in production
or
> chartered boats. For all the virtues that Bolger claims for the
sprit-sharpie
> rig, I've never seen a very convincing demonstration of how one
reefs such a
> rig when one has realized the need (almost invariably too late,
alas) do so.
> Mast-head sloops, with standing rigging have a number of vices,
but
> slab-reefing of the mains have great virtues!
>
> Bill in MN
In a message dated 8/7/00 6:13:17 PM Central Daylight Time,
sanmi@...writes:
<< In my opinion, the rig contributes most to a boat's seaworthiness,
sail shortening effectiveness being the most important. >>
IMHO, being able to shorten sail, while still having enough propulsion for
control is a terrific virtue, and one to rarely found in production or
chartered boats. For all the virtues that Bolger claims for the sprit-sharpie
rig, I've never seen a very convincing demonstration of how one reefs such a
rig when one has realized the need (almost invariably too late, alas) do so.
Mast-head sloops, with standing rigging have a number of vices, but
slab-reefing of the mains have great virtues!
Bill in MN
sanmi@...writes:
<< In my opinion, the rig contributes most to a boat's seaworthiness,
sail shortening effectiveness being the most important. >>
IMHO, being able to shorten sail, while still having enough propulsion for
control is a terrific virtue, and one to rarely found in production or
chartered boats. For all the virtues that Bolger claims for the sprit-sharpie
rig, I've never seen a very convincing demonstration of how one reefs such a
rig when one has realized the need (almost invariably too late, alas) do so.
Mast-head sloops, with standing rigging have a number of vices, but
slab-reefing of the mains have great virtues!
Bill in MN
You're right, it does cure faster in a humid climate.
Jim
Jim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lincoln Ross [mailto:lincolnr@...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 9:08 AM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Micro displacement/not a problem.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> > Ouch!
> > snip
> > I have been trying for 2 weeks to get my second layer in place
> > on
> > the bottom, but the weather has prohibited it.
> what about 5200? Doesn't moisture hasten cure?
>
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
Lincoln,
I was tempted to try something like this, but I do not want to
seal in moisture as rot my get promoted prematurely that way.
Tomorrow looks like a good day for glueing as well as Saturday.
As much as I have an affinity for 5200 for some things, I do not
think that glueing two panels of plywood together is the best
application for it. This would get to be really expensive to spread,
extremely sticky, and I feel that epoxy is a better choice for the
application. I already have 2 gallons or resin and hardner in the shed
for the purpose, but will not use it in this rain and humidity.
I like to use 5200 to bond seams that will never have to come
apart again. For all other seams I use polysulphide so that things
can get dismantled. BTW pl premium works pretty good as a permanent
sealant as well. I bonded my toe rails back on the old leaky
Enterprise. No ill effects yet, they seem fairly watertight.
I was tempted to try something like this, but I do not want to
seal in moisture as rot my get promoted prematurely that way.
Tomorrow looks like a good day for glueing as well as Saturday.
As much as I have an affinity for 5200 for some things, I do not
think that glueing two panels of plywood together is the best
application for it. This would get to be really expensive to spread,
extremely sticky, and I feel that epoxy is a better choice for the
application. I already have 2 gallons or resin and hardner in the shed
for the purpose, but will not use it in this rain and humidity.
I like to use 5200 to bond seams that will never have to come
apart again. For all other seams I use polysulphide so that things
can get dismantled. BTW pl premium works pretty good as a permanent
sealant as well. I bonded my toe rails back on the old leaky
Enterprise. No ill effects yet, they seem fairly watertight.
> > I have been trying for 2 weeks to get my second layer inplace
> > on
> > the bottom, but the weather has prohibited it.
> what about 5200? Doesn't moisture hasten cure?
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "David Jost" <djost@m...> wrote:
> Ouch!what about 5200? Doesn't moisture hasten cure?
> snip
> I have been trying for 2 weeks to get my second layer in place
> on
> the bottom, but the weather has prohibited it.
Isn't this group more like "Boat Builders Unanimous"?
> Ralph, I'd say you've found it, but it won't cure your problem!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Wight [mailto:UncleRalph@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:16 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Safety of ballasted vs. unballasted open boats
>
>
>
> Ralph Wight (looking for a Boat Builders Anonymous group)
>
>
Ouch!
I will have you know that that grass is freshly mown, and all of the
dog messes were picked up prior to that picture being taken. My
approach to yard maintenance is quite old fashioned. One lets the
grass grow long to encourage deep root structure, we then let it
burn
out in July when the summer drought occurs. The grubs then starve
themselves to death, the birds come and eat the grubs, then the lawn
grows back in August. ooooo off topic!
I have been trying for 2 weeks to get my second layer in place
on
the bottom, but the weather has prohibited it. The keel looks great,
if you live in the Northeast, it is worth the time to have I.M.
Broomfield in Providence RI cast the keel. I picked up extra lead to
stuff in the stern keel opening and bow opening while the keel is
being put in. This will bring the weight within 11 lbs of Bolger's
plan. Any additional ballast will be added after undert the
floorboards after she is launched.
I did not purchase enough plywood and need to get one more
sheet
of 1/4" for the keel sheething. I forgot that I was going with 3/8"
for the deck and cockpit, and I do not want the sheething at this
thickness (my racing roots will not let me build a keel wider than
planned, it is poor form) as the pintles and gudgeons (bronze) I
have
secured will not fit.
Sorry, I have to go mow the lawn now. Maybe i will just
park
my boats all over it!
David Jost
"not building today. due to more rain"
I will have you know that that grass is freshly mown, and all of the
dog messes were picked up prior to that picture being taken. My
approach to yard maintenance is quite old fashioned. One lets the
grass grow long to encourage deep root structure, we then let it
burn
out in July when the summer drought occurs. The grubs then starve
themselves to death, the birds come and eat the grubs, then the lawn
grows back in August. ooooo off topic!
I have been trying for 2 weeks to get my second layer in place
on
the bottom, but the weather has prohibited it. The keel looks great,
if you live in the Northeast, it is worth the time to have I.M.
Broomfield in Providence RI cast the keel. I picked up extra lead to
stuff in the stern keel opening and bow opening while the keel is
being put in. This will bring the weight within 11 lbs of Bolger's
plan. Any additional ballast will be added after undert the
floorboards after she is launched.
I did not purchase enough plywood and need to get one more
sheet
of 1/4" for the keel sheething. I forgot that I was going with 3/8"
for the deck and cockpit, and I do not want the sheething at this
thickness (my racing roots will not let me build a keel wider than
planned, it is poor form) as the pintles and gudgeons (bronze) I
have
secured will not fit.
Sorry, I have to go mow the lawn now. Maybe i will just
park
my boats all over it!
David Jost
"not building today. due to more rain"
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Vance Cowan" <vcgraphics@t...> wrote:
> When I saw the file pictures of David's Micro hull sitting in his
> yard this question occurred to me, but the answer was self
> evident.
>
> Q. How much unmown grass does a Micro hull displace?
>
> A. All of it.
>
> Vance
When I saw the file pictures of David's Micro hull sitting in his
yard this question occurred to me, but the answer was self
evident.
Q. How much unmown grass does a Micro hull displace?
A. All of it.
Vance
yard this question occurred to me, but the answer was self
evident.
Q. How much unmown grass does a Micro hull displace?
A. All of it.
Vance
Hi, my name is David and I am a boatbuilder.
I have not had a boatbuilding moment for over 3 hours now, and hope
to
make it through the morning without getting the cold
sweat.(reminiscent of my J24 days, oops , that was my cold
underwear!)
My micro will be self-righting with her newly poured keel! It is
easy
to rig, and will self- steer. I am planning on putting in enough
floatation to make her comfortable to sit in if an untimely wave
comes aboard.
if I add a wonderful Triad trailer with an extendable tongue to the
gear, it will be very easy to launch and trail. I once had a Rhodes
22 with a Triad trailer. The trailer was the best part of the boat.
David Jost
"always carry a roll of duct tape"
I have not had a boatbuilding moment for over 3 hours now, and hope
to
make it through the morning without getting the cold
sweat.(reminiscent of my J24 days, oops , that was my cold
underwear!)
My micro will be self-righting with her newly poured keel! It is
easy
to rig, and will self- steer. I am planning on putting in enough
floatation to make her comfortable to sit in if an untimely wave
comes aboard.
if I add a wonderful Triad trailer with an extendable tongue to the
gear, it will be very easy to launch and trail. I once had a Rhodes
22 with a Triad trailer. The trailer was the best part of the boat.
David Jost
"always carry a roll of duct tape"
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, Stan Muller <smuller@i...> wrote:
> Hi Ralph,
> I'm Stan, and I am a boat builder. I've been away from the boat
for
> eleven days, seventeen hours and six minutes. Now that I know that
I
can
> quit any time I want to, I am going to start painting the hull.
That's
> not building, it's painting! I don't care what you say, I can quit
if I
> wanted to! I don't even think about not having worked on the boat
for
> eleven days, seventeen hours, and ten minutes. I'm not even thinking
> about fiber glassing the cockpit seats. I'm free of it, FREE, it
don't
> bother me a bit!!!!
> PS; did I mention, the Micro IS self righting!
> Stan, Snow Goose, who hasn't even thought about boat building for
eleven
> days, seventeen hours, and thirteen minutes.
Hi Ralph,
I'm Stan, and I am a boat builder. I've been away from the boat for
eleven days, seventeen hours and six minutes. Now that I know that I can
quit any time I want to, I am going to start painting the hull. That's
not building, it's painting! I don't care what you say, I can quit if I
wanted to! I don't even think about not having worked on the boat for
eleven days, seventeen hours, and ten minutes. I'm not even thinking
about fiber glassing the cockpit seats. I'm free of it, FREE, it don't
bother me a bit!!!!
PS; did I mention, the Micro IS self righting!
Stan, Snow Goose, who hasn't even thought about boat building for eleven
days, seventeen hours, and thirteen minutes.
I'm Stan, and I am a boat builder. I've been away from the boat for
eleven days, seventeen hours and six minutes. Now that I know that I can
quit any time I want to, I am going to start painting the hull. That's
not building, it's painting! I don't care what you say, I can quit if I
wanted to! I don't even think about not having worked on the boat for
eleven days, seventeen hours, and ten minutes. I'm not even thinking
about fiber glassing the cockpit seats. I'm free of it, FREE, it don't
bother me a bit!!!!
PS; did I mention, the Micro IS self righting!
Stan, Snow Goose, who hasn't even thought about boat building for eleven
days, seventeen hours, and thirteen minutes.
Ralph, I'd say you've found it, but it won't cure your problem!
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Wight [mailto:UncleRalph@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:16 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Safety of ballasted vs. unballasted open boats
Ralph Wight (looking for a Boat Builders Anonymous group)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Wight [mailto:UncleRalph@...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 2:16 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Safety of ballasted vs. unballasted open boats
Ralph Wight (looking for a Boat Builders Anonymous group)
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