Re: Vee Bows ( was Matsue Traveler isometric )
The Vee Bow does not have to go all the way back but needs to extend just past the waterline.
Look in the files section for a file "2ndMod-1.jpg". It shows a modification to a JB Jr that I did. The red line shows the waterline.
Reed
Ventura, CA
Look in the files section for a file "2ndMod-1.jpg". It shows a modification to a JB Jr that I did. The red line shows the waterline.
Reed
Ventura, CA
That explains it beautifully, thanks. It is more elaborate than just wrapping up some flat sheets around a gore, a la Diamond or Jim Michalak's Twister.
For those who can't seem to leave well enough alone, including me, here's something to file away with clues on another way of making a flat floored boat vee bottomed, a fair use clip from Wooden Boat Magazine.
Don't necessarily have to carry the vee all the way back.
On Dec 20, 2010, at 5:46 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote:
The bow is similar to perhaps a dozen other recent PB&F designs.
Sitka Explorer, Topaz, Advanced Fisherman, etc.. The main hull
watertight bottom is a flat plate (probably 1 1/2" laminated plywood
in this case), which rises sharply at the bow. Then a sacrificial
cutwater is applied to the bow which consists of two twisted pieces of
plywood connecting to a vertical rib.
Here are some pictures of one being built:
http://journeyboats.com/photo_journal.htm_
On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
Sitka Explorer, Topaz, Advanced Fisherman, etc.. The main hull
watertight bottom is a flat plate (probably 1 1/2" laminated plywood
in this case), which rises sharply at the bow. Then a sacrificial
cutwater is applied to the bow which consists of two twisted pieces of
plywood connecting to a vertical rib.
Here are some pictures of one being built:
http://journeyboats.com/photo_journal.htm
>The bow is similar to perhaps a dozen other recent PB&F designs.
>
>
> This is a most fabulous work, Bruce.
>
> I'm not clear from it, though, if the bow is rolled up from the flat like Diamond or if something else is going on, some type of anti slap pad. Can you clarify what you were aiming at, please?
>
Sitka Explorer, Topaz, Advanced Fisherman, etc.. The main hull
watertight bottom is a flat plate (probably 1 1/2" laminated plywood
in this case), which rises sharply at the bow. Then a sacrificial
cutwater is applied to the bow which consists of two twisted pieces of
plywood connecting to a vertical rib.
Here are some pictures of one being built:
http://journeyboats.com/photo_journal.htm
This is a most fabulous work, Bruce.
I'm not clear from it, though, if the bow is rolled up from the flat like Diamond or if something else is going on, some type of anti slap pad. Can you clarify what you were aiming at, please?
On Dec 19, 2010, at 11:04 AM, Bruce Hallman wrote
>
> Bruce, thanks for posting the very nice isometric. I think I can see the differences between this and a classic junk rig. It's probably just a fantasy boat for me, but it's a pleasant fantasy. Charles Rouse
>
Thanks, I hope I got this isometric right, as there wasn't enough
detail given in the MAIB article to know how the cockpit and forward
cabin hatch configure. I made some educated guesses. Two big
differences between this rig and a classic junk rig are the mizzen
mast & sail, plus the sheeting of a junk rig is does a lot more
looping and runs from the stern transom up to the ends of the battens.
>Thanks, I hope I got this isometric right, as there wasn't enough
> Bruce, thanks for posting the very nice isometric. I think I can see the differences between this and a classic junk rig. It's probably just a fantasy boat for me, but it's a pleasant fantasy. Charles Rouse
>
detail given in the MAIB article to know how the cockpit and forward
cabin hatch configure. I made some educated guesses. Two big
differences between this rig and a classic junk rig are the mizzen
mast & sail, plus the sheeting of a junk rig is does a lot more
looping and runs from the stern transom up to the ends of the battens.
Bruce, thanks for posting the very nice isometric. I think I can see the differences between this and a classic junk rig. It's probably just a fantasy boat for me, but it's a pleasant fantasy. Charles Rouse
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Hallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:38 AM, zavalacat <ro43use@...> wrote:
> > What does anyone think about the Matsue Traveler featured in the December 2010 MAIB "Phil Bolger and Friends on Design"?
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:46 PM, captreed@...
> <captreed@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Lots of books and groups on Chinese junks and few about Lugs. Its a puzzlement when a balanced lug will go windward so much better.
> >
> > Reed
>
> Interesting and timely, the recent PB&F write up in MAIB of "Matsue
> Traveler" uses a cat yawl full battened balanced lug rig (with the
> PB&F trademark 'Chinese gaff rig') mizzen mast acting as a sheeting
> staff running sheetlets to the top mainsail battens. To the casual
> eye, this looks like a Chinese Jung rig, but it is not. Here is an
> isometric study, and my top impression is that this boat would have
> tons of storage capacity making it a long distance live-a-board
> coastal cruiser. I think one person could handle it, but two would be
> easier.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/MatsueTraveler/
>
On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:38 AM, zavalacat <ro43use@...> wrote:
<captreed@...> wrote:
Traveler" uses a cat yawl full battened balanced lug rig (with the
PB&F trademark 'Chinese gaff rig') mizzen mast acting as a sheeting
staff running sheetlets to the top mainsail battens. To the casual
eye, this looks like a Chinese Jung rig, but it is not. Here is an
isometric study, and my top impression is that this boat would have
tons of storage capacity making it a long distance live-a-board
coastal cruiser. I think one person could handle it, but two would be
easier.
http://hallman.org/bolger/MatsueTraveler/
> What does anyone think about the Matsue Traveler featured in the December 2010 MAIB "Phil Bolger and Friends on Design"?On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 9:46 PM,captreed@...
<captreed@...> wrote:
>Interesting and timely, the recent PB&F write up in MAIB of "Matsue
>
> Lots of books and groups on Chinese junks and few about Lugs. Its a puzzlement when a balanced lug will go windward so much better.
>
> Reed
Traveler" uses a cat yawl full battened balanced lug rig (with the
PB&F trademark 'Chinese gaff rig') mizzen mast acting as a sheeting
staff running sheetlets to the top mainsail battens. To the casual
eye, this looks like a Chinese Jung rig, but it is not. Here is an
isometric study, and my top impression is that this boat would have
tons of storage capacity making it a long distance live-a-board
coastal cruiser. I think one person could handle it, but two would be
easier.
http://hallman.org/bolger/MatsueTraveler/