Re: Cabin Designs

That is a beauty all right.

The windows make for an open feeling in the cabin even though I suspect the occupants can't stand without stooping.

The other feature is the lack of a bulkhead at the rear of the cabin so it appears to be just a covered extension of the cockpit. That probably compromises safety in a knockdown or swamping from over the transom so I would be hesitant to put this on my Chebacco.

Andrew


<snip>you might research the New Jersey-style summer cabin. This is basically a roof with open windows/ports that can be covered to keep out rain and spray.

>
> They have a nice example on display at the Independence Seaport Museum in Philadelphia.http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamcoop68/5422817501/The boat illustrated is much heavier and beamier than your Chebacco.
>
> The museum has a host of material on catboats from the Delaware River and NJ seacoast.

the cabin on that boat is perfect for that boat but she would look like a motor sailor without the cabin and it is the ice cream on the cake. On a different shaped boat it might not look so hot. 
    After I built Wolftrap my business partner wanted a Wolftrap but he wanted a trunk cabin on her.  I went to Bolger and talked to him and he said it would not marry well on a boat with a clipper bow. I got him to draw up a cabin for her anyway. He was reluctant.  He was right!  I suspect he could do it if anyone could??       So be careful!                                                                 Doug

On 02/15/2011 03:35 PM, prairiedog2332 wrote:

 

I have often envisioned option 4 when looking at this design.

Here is what one looks like on Seabird 76, along with an option
sailplan.

http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QNtaTXdl__yfZPjSBXaHBq5CenOMYdVLvOmD0Gf4VW9\
chDTygVX-w2M5AEVeqp7eSs8_s0MocvE1HO9RjewPEdJlABgwqg/Seabird%20Sailboat/_\
_hr_Seabird%2BDoghouse%2BVersion.jpg

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew"<a.c.l.yen@...>wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am pondering cabin designs for my Chebacco 25 for which I am part
way through planking the hull.
>
> The original design is a raised deck style of cabin which offers sleek
styling, low windage and easy to see over from the cockpit. But the
headroom at 45" is pretty low for a cabin that is 9' long and 8' wide.
I feel it may end up like a low roofed cave and the crew would be hunch
backed. (Maybe I am wrong - there are a few similar cabins out there
(Seabird '86, Black Skimmer come to mind).)
>
> So I have considered:
>
> 1) the birdwatcher (or Michalak) slot top cabin design to give
standing height in the middle. Bolger himself designed this into the
Chebbacco 20 RD.
>
> 2) a more conventional 18" - 24"? tall trunk cabin with side decks.
>
> 3) a low (6"?) trunk cabin with a "pop top" roof. This sort of design
is seen on some plastic trailer sailers (eg. Ultimate, Farr, Careel,
O'Day ...) but I haven't seen it executed in wood.
>
> 4) Susanne suggested to me a see through doghouse added to the rear
section of the designed raised deck cabin to give stand up room in the
rear of the cabin and a dodger effect for the cockpit yet made of see
through plastic windows so that vision wasn't obstructed. Similar to the
"Cruiser Chebacco" design shown as the background on the Chebacco.com
website.
>
> I would like to start a discussion on cabin design
ideas/merits/weaknesses. I would be particularly interested in hearing
from anyone who has experience of wood pop-top roofs.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>http://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
>

I have often envisioned option 4 when looking at this design.

Here is what one looks like on Seabird 76, along with an option
sailplan.


http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/QNtaTXdl__yfZPjSBXaHBq5CenOMYdVLvOmD0Gf4VW9\
chDTygVX-w2M5AEVeqp7eSs8_s0MocvE1HO9RjewPEdJlABgwqg/Seabird%20Sailboat/_\
_hr_Seabird%2BDoghouse%2BVersion.jpg

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am pondering cabin designs for my Chebacco 25 for which I am part
way through planking the hull.
>
> The original design is a raised deck style of cabin which offers sleek
styling, low windage and easy to see over from the cockpit. But the
headroom at 45" is pretty low for a cabin that is 9' long and 8' wide.
I feel it may end up like a low roofed cave and the crew would be hunch
backed. (Maybe I am wrong - there are a few similar cabins out there
(Seabird '86, Black Skimmer come to mind).)
>
> So I have considered:
>
> 1) the birdwatcher (or Michalak) slot top cabin design to give
standing height in the middle. Bolger himself designed this into the
Chebbacco 20 RD.
>
> 2) a more conventional 18" - 24"? tall trunk cabin with side decks.
>
> 3) a low (6"?) trunk cabin with a "pop top" roof. This sort of design
is seen on some plastic trailer sailers (eg. Ultimate, Farr, Careel,
O'Day ...) but I haven't seen it executed in wood.
>
> 4) Susanne suggested to me a see through doghouse added to the rear
section of the designed raised deck cabin to give stand up room in the
rear of the cabin and a dodger effect for the cockpit yet made of see
through plastic windows so that vision wasn't obstructed. Similar to the
"Cruiser Chebacco" design shown as the background on the Chebacco.com
website.
>
> I would like to start a discussion on cabin design
ideas/merits/weaknesses. I would be particularly interested in hearing
from anyone who has experience of wood pop-top roofs.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>http://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
>

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> this is something I've thought about many times.
> My vote is for the pop-top solution first,
> followed by the doghouse.

I'd probably go with the as-designed flush deck myself, but if you want something with historical roots, you might research the New Jersey-style summer cabin. This is basically a roof with open windows/ports that can be covered to keep out rain and spray.

They have a nice example on display at the Independence Seaport Museum in Philadelphia.http://www.flickr.com/photos/adamcoop68/5422817501/The boat illustrated is much heavier and beamier than your Chebacco.

The museum has a host of material on catboats from the Delaware River and NJ seacoast.

this is something I've thought about many times. My vote is for the pop-top solution first, followed by the doghouse.

I'd like to design and build a pop-top someday--a few of the old Controversies had them, the 27 I know did, because I saw it first hand, beautifully executed. Much nicer in wood and canvas than the ones you see on plastic trailer sailers.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am pondering cabin designs for my Chebacco 25 for which I am part way through planking the hull.
>
> The original design is a raised deck style of cabin which offers sleek styling, low windage and easy to see over from the cockpit. But the headroom at 45" is pretty low for a cabin that is 9' long and 8' wide. I feel it may end up like a low roofed cave and the crew would be hunch backed. (Maybe I am wrong - there are a few similar cabins out there (Seabird '86, Black Skimmer come to mind).)
>
> So I have considered:
>
> 1) the birdwatcher (or Michalak) slot top cabin design to give standing height in the middle. Bolger himself designed this into the Chebbacco 20 RD.
>
> 2) a more conventional 18" - 24"? tall trunk cabin with side decks.
>
> 3) a low (6"?) trunk cabin with a "pop top" roof. This sort of design is seen on some plastic trailer sailers (eg. Ultimate, Farr, Careel, O'Day ...) but I haven't seen it executed in wood.
>
> 4) Susanne suggested to me a see through doghouse added to the rear section of the designed raised deck cabin to give stand up room in the rear of the cabin and a dodger effect for the cockpit yet made of see through plastic windows so that vision wasn't obstructed. Similar to the "Cruiser Chebacco" design shown as the background on the Chebacco.com website.
>
> I would like to start a discussion on cabin design ideas/merits/weaknesses. I would be particularly interested in hearing from anyone who has experience of wood pop-top roofs.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>http://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
>

Hi,

I am pondering cabin designs for my Chebacco 25 for which I am part way through planking the hull.

The original design is a raised deck style of cabin which offers sleek styling, low windage and easy to see over from the cockpit. But the headroom at 45" is pretty low for a cabin that is 9' long and 8' wide. I feel it may end up like a low roofed cave and the crew would be hunch backed. (Maybe I am wrong - there are a few similar cabins out there (Seabird '86, Black Skimmer come to mind).)

So I have considered:

1) the birdwatcher (or Michalak) slot top cabin design to give standing height in the middle. Bolger himself designed this into the Chebbacco 20 RD.

2) a more conventional 18" - 24"? tall trunk cabin with side decks.

3) a low (6"?) trunk cabin with a "pop top" roof. This sort of design is seen on some plastic trailer sailers (eg. Ultimate, Farr, Careel, O'Day ...) but I haven't seen it executed in wood.

4) Susanne suggested to me a see through doghouse added to the rear section of the designed raised deck cabin to give stand up room in the rear of the cabin and a dodger effect for the cockpit yet made of see through plastic windows so that vision wasn't obstructed. Similar to the "Cruiser Chebacco" design shown as the background on the Chebacco.com website.

I would like to start a discussion on cabin design ideas/merits/weaknesses. I would be particularly interested in hearing from anyone who has experience of wood pop-top roofs.

Andrew


http://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/