Re: 28-30' box keel sharpie plan

The Skillygallee (a lenghtened black skimmer with a centerboard) sounds like the hull I looking for. Does anyone know to get a copy of those plans?

Thank you.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Christopher C. Wetherill" <wetherillc@...> wrote:
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> Gloucester Yawl springs to mind, but I think it's only about 21 Feet.
> Check "Small Boats" or "The Folding Schooner"
>
> V/R
> Chris
>
> On 3/11/2011 9:22 PM, Michael wrote:
> > Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
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This sounds like what I am looking for. Do you remember the name of the plans so I can see about ordering them? I am looking for a simple sharpie plan like the folding schooner or light schooner with a center board or a shallow keel (<12"). No lee boards. Thank you all for your help.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
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> My boat Wolftrap a 30 ft Cat yawl Sharpy designed by Bolger had a box
> keel of sorts. The keel was about 8 inches wide and 12 " deep carrying
> Lead ballast. A quarter circle centerboard that went down through the
> keel and up through her raised deck Provided real windward ability.
> Certainly no room to walk in and improve headroom. It did allow some
> windward sailing in about 24" of water. Keel down she drew 6ft. She
> was fast and surprised many modern boat sailors when I beat them even to
> windward. She was locally dubbed that funny looking fast boat. I found
> the name amusing. They modern day sailor has no idea of the power of a
> Bolger Sprit boom rig on a sharpie.
> Her speed even instigated a fist fight brawl among a yacht club racing
> group and my bunch of sailors that raced against them in a totally
> unofficial down the bay race. I chose a race that would prove the speed
> of the boats rather than the racing, sail handling ability of a well
> trained crew. They being experienced college football players so after
> loosing the race, soundly beat our butts in the parking lot fight after
> some red neckey jibes at out crew and boat. WE were no match for them
> there. Several years ago we had a meal together at a local resturant
> and a good laugh about the whole thing. Doug
>
>
> On 03/12/2011 09:31 AM, sirdarnell wrote:
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> > All of the boxed keeled sharpies I can think of were powerboats.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>,
> > "Michael" <vanbreilingtrio@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I
> > know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding
> > schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic
> > sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the
> > dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger
> > designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
> > >
> >
> >
>

The Beach Cat don't have no box keel. The version considered has a very low aspect fin that's endplated. There's similar on Tarantular Tri and Auckland Cat.

Sailboats with box keels include: Flying Cloud (Brick); Col HG Hasler; 55ft Sharpie (The design unfinished due to builder reconsidering size of project but MAIB mention of other successful builds not as large. I haven't seen that photo but I suspect the model was of this proposal as the size and keel description seems similar.); etc

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "donnieraydavis" <donnieraydavis@...> wrote:
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> I remember seeing(online)a picture of Bolger holding a paper model of a sharpie that was going to be bigger than loose moose. It had a long tapered box keel in which was to be tanks for fuel, water, and waste.

My boat Wolftrap a 30 ft Cat yawl Sharpy designed by Bolger had a box keel of sorts.  The keel was about 8 inches wide and 12 " deep carrying Lead ballast. A quarter circle centerboard that went down through the keel and up through her raised deck Provided real windward ability.  Certainly no room to walk in and improve headroom.  It did allow some windward sailing in about 24" of water. Keel down she drew 6ft.   She was fast and surprised many modern boat sailors when I beat them even to windward.  She was locally dubbed that funny looking fast boat.  I found the name  amusing.  They modern day sailor has no idea of the power of a Bolger Sprit boom rig on a sharpie. 
Her speed even instigated a fist fight brawl among a yacht club racing group and my bunch of sailors that raced against them in a totally unofficial down the bay race. I chose a race that would prove the speed of the boats rather than the racing, sail handling ability of a well trained crew. They being experienced college football players so after loosing the race, soundly beat our butts in the parking lot fight after some red neckey jibes at out crew and boat.  WE were no match for them there.  Several years ago we had a meal together at a local resturant and a good laugh about the whole thing.                        Doug

On 03/12/2011 09:31 AM, sirdarnell wrote:

 

All of the boxed keeled sharpies I can think of were powerboats.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael"<vanbreilingtrio@...>wrote:
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> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
>

Amphib-ette.

Wooden Boat 30 designs book.

This is part of the Controversy line introduced by Mt. Desert Boat yard back in the 60's I believe. Not quite a box, but functions the same on a bell shape. More headroom, more surface below, and the boat reportedly planes offwind. Would cost about twice and take twice as much to build as the Long Micro. I would go for the AS29. Still have a drawing of one on my wall above the computer. Long range planning still in progress.

David Jost
celebrating the first crocus.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <vanbreilingtrio@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
>

The Stevenson Project boats, Weekender, uses a shallow full length keel. When introduced, that keel housed a retracting center board, but it was soon learned the boat performed adequately without the added complication, so the CB has been dropped from the design.

> I think a narrow box keel, at least 8 to 1 length beam ratio, should work
> for a sailboat, if it's the same draft as a salient keel.

I can think of examples of boats built that way, but none had great popularity. Reflecting on the comments of the other posters, I think maybe PCB did do a cartoon of one.

Here is an unfinished Aluminum box keel 50 footer in Nome

HJ

On 3/12/2011 4:37 AM, donnieraydavis wrote:
> I remember seeing(online)a picture of Bolger holding a paper model of a sharpie that was going to be bigger than loose moose. It had a long tapered box keel in which was to be tanks for fuel, water, and waste.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael"<vanbreilingtrio@...> wrote:
>> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
>>
>

There's the Alaska Motor Sailor -- 30' long by 9' wide. There was an older design, about 25 by 8, without a pilot house, that was in SBJ, I think. Can't remember its name.

All of the boxed keeled sharpies I can think of were powerboats.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <vanbreilingtrio@...> wrote:
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> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
>

I believe the flat bottomed keel boat was just that. Used a square sail for when the wind was from behind, but otherwise was poled or went down river. I believe it was of the type Lewis and Clark used.
David

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
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> > Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog
> > than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner
> > or the folding schooner but with a box keel?
>
> I can understand why you would want a keel, but why do you suggest a box keel? Possibly for headroom. Off the top of my head, I would think a box keel would make for a sluggish sailer.
>
> Two keel boats you might look at are Burgundy, which is the size you are looking for and which has a fin keel, and the Single-Handed schooner which has the rig you mention and a dagger keel, but which is much smaller.
>
> By the way, Bolger also used a kind of fin keel built as a hollow box instead of being solid wood. He used it on the staysail catboat, which is sharpie-like. The keel of Seabird '86 is built that way, but filled with lead ingots.
>
> PCB did a cartoon for SBJ of a flat-bottom keel boat about 30 feet long. Don't remember the name. THAT would be a very fast boat.
>

I remember seeing(online)a picture of Bolger holding a paper model of a sharpie that was going to be bigger than loose moose. It had a long tapered box keel in which was to be tanks for fuel, water, and waste.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Michael" <vanbreilingtrio@...> wrote:
>
> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
>

> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog
> than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner
> or the folding schooner but with a box keel?

I can understand why you would want a keel, but why do you suggest a box keel? Possibly for headroom. Off the top of my head, I would think a box keel would make for a sluggish sailer.

Two keel boats you might look at are Burgundy, which is the size you are looking for and which has a fin keel, and the Single-Handed schooner which has the rig you mention and a dagger keel, but which is much smaller.

By the way, Bolger also used a kind of fin keel built as a hollow box instead of being solid wood. He used it on the staysail catboat, which is sharpie-like. The keel of Seabird '86 is built that way, but filled with lead ingots.

PCB did a cartoon for SBJ of a flat-bottom keel boat about 30 feet long. Don't remember the name. THAT would be a very fast boat.

Gloucester Yawl springs to mind, but I think it's only about 21 Feet.
Check "Small Boats" or "The Folding Schooner"

V/R
Chris

On 3/11/2011 9:22 PM, Michael wrote:
> Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.
>
>
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Does anyone out there with a better knowlege of the catalog than I know of a sharpie design similar to the light schooner or the folding schooner but with a box keel? What I am looking for is the classic sharpie body with a Bolger box keep (ala the Beach Cat) instead of the dagger boards of the light schooner or folding schooner Bolger designs. Something in the 28-30 foot range. Thank you for your assistance.