Re: Fldg Schnr Folds!
---Leander,
I did use the chine locks using the hooks and straps. I don't
remember any problems with screws being in the way when drilling
through the chines, but I remember it was a tight fit. I put caulk
on the inside and pushed the bolts through to the outside. There is
really nothing to keep the bolt from pushing back in. I bought a
small wrench to use to tighten the nut when the latch was in place
but I have not used it for more than twenty years. There is no
leakage to speak of. I did recaulk those bolts a few years ago.
They seem to work fine, and the reason they were put on the chines
was because of the difficulty of using the keel strips. I did not
streamline anything, but those straps and hooks work well and take 10
seconds to push down when you launch. I cannot imagine tying up the
ramp while you try to fasten anything under the boat, but it is your
choice.
Rich Sharp
I did use the chine locks using the hooks and straps. I don't
remember any problems with screws being in the way when drilling
through the chines, but I remember it was a tight fit. I put caulk
on the inside and pushed the bolts through to the outside. There is
really nothing to keep the bolt from pushing back in. I bought a
small wrench to use to tighten the nut when the latch was in place
but I have not used it for more than twenty years. There is no
leakage to speak of. I did recaulk those bolts a few years ago.
They seem to work fine, and the reason they were put on the chines
was because of the difficulty of using the keel strips. I did not
streamline anything, but those straps and hooks work well and take 10
seconds to push down when you launch. I cannot imagine tying up the
ramp while you try to fasten anything under the boat, but it is your
choice.
Rich Sharp
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...> wrote:
> --- Rich,
> Wish I had asked you for a few more details before we got into
the
> hinge installation process.
>
> Do you have the chine locks that are in the plans? What is your
> experience with them? I am worried about drilling through the
chines
> and all those screw holes in the relatively small chine that has
> screws in two directions already. Had any problem with leaking
> through
> the bolt holes? Payson told me that on the ones he built he
connected
> the keelsons with through bolts and Stainless Strap which requires
> turning the boat over but avoids drilling below the waterline. Any
> thoughts on this?
>
> Leander
>
> Inbolger@egroups.com, "Richard Sharp" <rbsharp@g...> wrote:
> > Isn't it great to be so near the end of the job? I thought my
> > Folding Schooner would be in the water the summer of 1976, having
> > started it in the summer of '75. It was July 8, 1978 before that
> > baby got it's bottom wet. Actually, my wife and I can fold and
> > unfold her. When launching at the ramp, we drag the hinged end
> well
> > up the ramp. On occasion, the whole works slides away from you
> when
> > you are opening if you are not careful. We have also had the
boat
> > come slamming down in both directions, when opening and when
> > closing. The whole thing shakes and shudders, but the boat is in
> > great shape after 22 years. Sometimes I put a boat cushion on
the
> > stern just in case. I have also tied a rope to the tip of the
bow
> if
> > a third person is available to aid in opening. My boat is built
to
> > the plans and has the 3/4 inch fir backing under the hinge
plates.
> No
> > problem with it. Also, I did not have the blacksmith who made my
> > hinge rod put any holes for pins. I just wrap tape around the
ends
> > to keep it from sliding when travelling on the road. Just a few
> > comments from a fellow schooner builder. Had a great sail a few
> > weeks ago, I know you are really going to enjoy your schooner!
> > Rich Sharp
> > P.S.- I paint my whole boat with Rustoleum
> >
> >
--- Rich,
Wish I had asked you for a few more details before we got into the
hinge installation process.
Do you have the chine locks that are in the plans? What is your
experience with them? I am worried about drilling through the chines
and all those screw holes in the relatively small chine that has
screws in two directions already. Had any problem with leaking
through
the bolt holes? Payson told me that on the ones he built he connected
the keelsons with through bolts and Stainless Strap which requires
turning the boat over but avoids drilling below the waterline. Any
thoughts on this?
Leander
Inbolger@egroups.com, "Richard Sharp" <rbsharp@g...> wrote:
Wish I had asked you for a few more details before we got into the
hinge installation process.
Do you have the chine locks that are in the plans? What is your
experience with them? I am worried about drilling through the chines
and all those screw holes in the relatively small chine that has
screws in two directions already. Had any problem with leaking
through
the bolt holes? Payson told me that on the ones he built he connected
the keelsons with through bolts and Stainless Strap which requires
turning the boat over but avoids drilling below the waterline. Any
thoughts on this?
Leander
Inbolger@egroups.com, "Richard Sharp" <rbsharp@g...> wrote:
> Isn't it great to be so near the end of the job? I thought mywell
> Folding Schooner would be in the water the summer of 1976, having
> started it in the summer of '75. It was July 8, 1978 before that
> baby got it's bottom wet. Actually, my wife and I can fold and
> unfold her. When launching at the ramp, we drag the hinged end
> up the ramp. On occasion, the whole works slides away from youwhen
> you are opening if you are not careful. We have also had the boatif
> come slamming down in both directions, when opening and when
> closing. The whole thing shakes and shudders, but the boat is in
> great shape after 22 years. Sometimes I put a boat cushion on the
> stern just in case. I have also tied a rope to the tip of the bow
> a third person is available to aid in opening. My boat is built toNo
> the plans and has the 3/4 inch fir backing under the hinge plates.
> problem with it. Also, I did not have the blacksmith who made my
> hinge rod put any holes for pins. I just wrap tape around the ends
> to keep it from sliding when travelling on the road. Just a few
> comments from a fellow schooner builder. Had a great sail a few
> weeks ago, I know you are really going to enjoy your schooner!
> Rich Sharp
> P.S.- I paint my whole boat with Rustoleum
>
>
Isn't it great to be so near the end of the job? I thought my
Folding Schooner would be in the water the summer of 1976, having
started it in the summer of '75. It was July 8, 1978 before that
baby got it's bottom wet. Actually, my wife and I can fold and
unfold her. When launching at the ramp, we drag the hinged end well
up the ramp. On occasion, the whole works slides away from you when
you are opening if you are not careful. We have also had the boat
come slamming down in both directions, when opening and when
closing. The whole thing shakes and shudders, but the boat is in
great shape after 22 years. Sometimes I put a boat cushion on the
stern just in case. I have also tied a rope to the tip of the bow if
a third person is available to aid in opening. My boat is built to
the plans and has the 3/4 inch fir backing under the hinge plates. No
problem with it. Also, I did not have the blacksmith who made my
hinge rod put any holes for pins. I just wrap tape around the ends
to keep it from sliding when travelling on the road. Just a few
comments from a fellow schooner builder. Had a great sail a few
weeks ago, I know you are really going to enjoy your schooner!
Rich Sharp
P.S.- I paint my whole boat with Rustoleum
Folding Schooner would be in the water the summer of 1976, having
started it in the summer of '75. It was July 8, 1978 before that
baby got it's bottom wet. Actually, my wife and I can fold and
unfold her. When launching at the ramp, we drag the hinged end well
up the ramp. On occasion, the whole works slides away from you when
you are opening if you are not careful. We have also had the boat
come slamming down in both directions, when opening and when
closing. The whole thing shakes and shudders, but the boat is in
great shape after 22 years. Sometimes I put a boat cushion on the
stern just in case. I have also tied a rope to the tip of the bow if
a third person is available to aid in opening. My boat is built to
the plans and has the 3/4 inch fir backing under the hinge plates. No
problem with it. Also, I did not have the blacksmith who made my
hinge rod put any holes for pins. I just wrap tape around the ends
to keep it from sliding when travelling on the road. Just a few
comments from a fellow schooner builder. Had a great sail a few
weeks ago, I know you are really going to enjoy your schooner!
Rich Sharp
P.S.- I paint my whole boat with Rustoleum
> Leander
I'll bet that you could eventually get some tackle together which
would let you do this singlehanded. Probably requires ingenuity, a
little time, and some cash. I wonder if you could pull the hinge pins
and handle the two halves seperately?
I recall a book, "Moving Heavy Things" which, while not challenging
reading, supplied a bunch of beautiful sketches of how to handle
large objects.
would let you do this singlehanded. Probably requires ingenuity, a
little time, and some cash. I wonder if you could pull the hinge pins
and handle the two halves seperately?
I recall a book, "Moving Heavy Things" which, while not challenging
reading, supplied a bunch of beautiful sketches of how to handle
large objects.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...> wrote:
> The Folding Schooner folds. What a great feeling. There is a
general
> air of vindication hanging about the house.
>
> I must say that the idea that one man can do it with a woman or
> large
> child to steady it, as per the study plans is a bit of an
> exageration.
> My two youngest sons are both about six ft and the three of us did
it
> handily but not without effort and some excitement. snip
The Folding Schooner folds. What a great feeling. There is a general
air of vindication hanging about the house.
I must say that the idea that one man can do it with a woman or
large
child to steady it, as per the study plans is a bit of an
exageration.
My two youngest sons are both about six ft and the three of us did it
handily but not without effort and some excitement. We didn't bed the
hinges, wanting to see if we had any problems but all swings freely.
I
had worried about the hulls binding or pinching during the process
but
the hinges as made and installed leave a slight gap between the two
hulls and I don't see any wear and tear problems showing up here. I
had
worried about the transoms banging into each other if let drop. Which
also does not seem likely. So now we need to take the hinges off and
bed them. I would like to use something that would allow them to be
replaced if necessary. Any suggestions?
It took us a day and half to install the 4 hinges on our Folding
Schooner. We ended up placing the hinges a little too far outboard(
we
were working around the distance between cotter pin holes on the
hinge
pin and were relcutant to revist the machinist and didn't think we
could drill a rod easily without a drill press) and had trouble
installing the carriage bolts from underneath because of the side
bevel. But they are in backed up by 2x6's. Definitely overkill but
3/4
of soft pine didn't look good as a backer to me and 2x fir was more
reasonable and more available than anything else. It will hold the
"devil and his grandmother" as a Nova Scotia Dory Fisherman once said
to me when I questioned an aspect of his rig. Interestingly the plans
do not call for any backing though Payson suggested backing when I
talked to him about the hinges.
I did coat the hinges with epoxy which adhered well. Has anybody
used
Rustoleum paint over Fiberglass Coatings Epoxy or suggest another
epoxy
friendly coating that might give us a belt and suspenders protection
against corrosion on the hinges.
Still have gaffs, rudder, bilge boards, rigging and some final
painting
to do but we might get a Labor Day Sail yet. Many thanks to all on
the
list for continuing encouragement.
Leander
air of vindication hanging about the house.
I must say that the idea that one man can do it with a woman or
large
child to steady it, as per the study plans is a bit of an
exageration.
My two youngest sons are both about six ft and the three of us did it
handily but not without effort and some excitement. We didn't bed the
hinges, wanting to see if we had any problems but all swings freely.
I
had worried about the hulls binding or pinching during the process
but
the hinges as made and installed leave a slight gap between the two
hulls and I don't see any wear and tear problems showing up here. I
had
worried about the transoms banging into each other if let drop. Which
also does not seem likely. So now we need to take the hinges off and
bed them. I would like to use something that would allow them to be
replaced if necessary. Any suggestions?
It took us a day and half to install the 4 hinges on our Folding
Schooner. We ended up placing the hinges a little too far outboard(
we
were working around the distance between cotter pin holes on the
hinge
pin and were relcutant to revist the machinist and didn't think we
could drill a rod easily without a drill press) and had trouble
installing the carriage bolts from underneath because of the side
bevel. But they are in backed up by 2x6's. Definitely overkill but
3/4
of soft pine didn't look good as a backer to me and 2x fir was more
reasonable and more available than anything else. It will hold the
"devil and his grandmother" as a Nova Scotia Dory Fisherman once said
to me when I questioned an aspect of his rig. Interestingly the plans
do not call for any backing though Payson suggested backing when I
talked to him about the hinges.
I did coat the hinges with epoxy which adhered well. Has anybody
used
Rustoleum paint over Fiberglass Coatings Epoxy or suggest another
epoxy
friendly coating that might give us a belt and suspenders protection
against corrosion on the hinges.
Still have gaffs, rudder, bilge boards, rigging and some final
painting
to do but we might get a Labor Day Sail yet. Many thanks to all on
the
list for continuing encouragement.
Leander