Re: Opinions on Windsprint mast/sail retrofit
Just make sure you go out when the wind is light the first couple times
or can even test out in your yard. When you let go the sheet, the sail
just shifts downwind like a flag so little fear it getting damaged.
I bet it will move you faster than you can row:-)
Nels
or can even test out in your yard. When you let go the sheet, the sail
just shifts downwind like a flag so little fear it getting damaged.
I bet it will move you faster than you can row:-)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MPCOSG" <mpcosg@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks, Nels. Luckily I have the centerboard (builder modified it) and
the rudder assembly. And, some of the rigs I've seen do include
hardware. Love to find people nearby, I'm in Southern Oxford Co., Maine.
> My only worry is that the sunfish rig is significantly underpowered
and/or structurally weak on a boat like a Windsprint.
> Thanks, Matt
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:
> >
> >
> > A Sunfish rig would work to begin with. But you still need some
lumber and hardware for a leeboard and rudder set-up right? Whereabouts
are you located? There may be a DIY Bolgerista or Michalamaniak nearby
that might assist you.
> >
> > Nels
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MPCOSG" <mpcosg@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thanks for the "you can do it" and I've read that the mast and
sail aren't extremely complicated. But, I have almost no tools (outside
of a few hand tools and a sander), or the skills to use them, or the
$400 or so needed for lumber, tools, tarp kit, and harware. Since I'm
new in the neighborhood, I don't even have the option of borrowing a
tool or running something by a person who's more knowledgeable.
Fabricating a mast and sail it is just isn't an option sadly.
> > > Would the mast of a Sunfish be strong enough? I can find complete
rigs with hardware for about $100. I've also seen rigs from small cat
boats, Would those work as well?
> > > Thanks, Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On a Bolger Teal I made a few years back I used trees for the
mast and
> > > > yards. I walked in the woods above my house and found three
saplings about
> > > > the right size, and cut them, and carried them home. It worked
good
> > > > enough. The yards weren't perfectly straight, but I just cut
the polytarp
> > > > sail to match the crookedness of the yards (plus a few inches in
the belly
> > > > to give the sail some draft) . IOW, I spread the polytarp on
the lawn, then
> > > > I laid the yards on the polytarp and marked lines with a felt
tip marker.
> > > > Then I added 3 or 4 inches at the center of each yard, tapering
to zero at
> > > > the ends. Then added 2 inches for the fold over seam, cut,
nylon zip tie to
> > > > yards.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Thanks, Nels. Luckily I have the centerboard (builder modified it) and the rudder assembly. And, some of the rigs I've seen do include hardware. Love to find people nearby, I'm in Southern Oxford Co., Maine.
My only worry is that the sunfish rig is significantly underpowered and/or structurally weak on a boat like a Windsprint.
Thanks, Matt
My only worry is that the sunfish rig is significantly underpowered and/or structurally weak on a boat like a Windsprint.
Thanks, Matt
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
>
> A Sunfish rig would work to begin with. But you still need some lumber and hardware for a leeboard and rudder set-up right? Whereabouts are you located? There may be a DIY Bolgerista or Michalamaniak nearby that might assist you.
>
> Nels
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MPCOSG" <mpcosg@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the "you can do it" and I've read that the mast and sail aren't extremely complicated. But, I have almost no tools (outside of a few hand tools and a sander), or the skills to use them, or the $400 or so needed for lumber, tools, tarp kit, and harware. Since I'm new in the neighborhood, I don't even have the option of borrowing a tool or running something by a person who's more knowledgeable. Fabricating a mast and sail it is just isn't an option sadly.
> > Would the mast of a Sunfish be strong enough? I can find complete rigs with hardware for about $100. I've also seen rigs from small cat boats, Would those work as well?
> > Thanks, Matt
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > On a Bolger Teal I made a few years back I used trees for the mast and
> > > yards. I walked in the woods above my house and found three saplings about
> > > the right size, and cut them, and carried them home. It worked good
> > > enough. The yards weren't perfectly straight, but I just cut the polytarp
> > > sail to match the crookedness of the yards (plus a few inches in the belly
> > > to give the sail some draft) . IOW, I spread the polytarp on the lawn, then
> > > I laid the yards on the polytarp and marked lines with a felt tip marker.
> > > Then I added 3 or 4 inches at the center of each yard, tapering to zero at
> > > the ends. Then added 2 inches for the fold over seam, cut, nylon zip tie to
> > > yards.
> > >
> >
>
Here's that flat piece of polytarp. My apologies
Puddle Duckers are especially keen on cheap rigs, mostly using polytarp
for the sails:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PuddleDuck/
There's a fellow who's made a business of supplying polytarp sails, sail
kits, and the supplies to make your own. Dave Gray is quite helpful too,
and contributes his considerable knowledge about making polytarp sails in
several of the Yahoo boating groups:
http://www.polysail.com/
There's no reason why you need to be kept from sailing by high price.
A Sunfish rig would probably work fine on your Windsprint, but you might
need to move the mast.
for the sails:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PuddleDuck/
There's a fellow who's made a business of supplying polytarp sails, sail
kits, and the supplies to make your own. Dave Gray is quite helpful too,
and contributes his considerable knowledge about making polytarp sails in
several of the Yahoo boating groups:
http://www.polysail.com/
There's no reason why you need to be kept from sailing by high price.
A Sunfish rig would probably work fine on your Windsprint, but you might
need to move the mast.
On Mon, 20 Jun 2011 21:38:03 -0700, Nels wrote:
> Matt,
>
> There are lots of boats use the Windsprint sail rig made from poly tarp
> and a few 2x4`s
>
> Join this group and ask.
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/
--
John (jkohnen@...)
Anyone can do any amount of work, provided it isn't the work he
is supposed to be doing at that moment. (Robert Benchley)
A Sunfish rig would work to begin with. But you still need some lumber and hardware for a leeboard and rudder set-up right? Whereabouts are you located? There may be a DIY Bolgerista or Michalamaniak nearby that might assist you.
Nels
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MPCOSG" <mpcosg@...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the "you can do it" and I've read that the mast and sail aren't extremely complicated. But, I have almost no tools (outside of a few hand tools and a sander), or the skills to use them, or the $400 or so needed for lumber, tools, tarp kit, and harware. Since I'm new in the neighborhood, I don't even have the option of borrowing a tool or running something by a person who's more knowledgeable. Fabricating a mast and sail it is just isn't an option sadly.
> Would the mast of a Sunfish be strong enough? I can find complete rigs with hardware for about $100. I've also seen rigs from small cat boats, Would those work as well?
> Thanks, Matt
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > On a Bolger Teal I made a few years back I used trees for the mast and
> > yards. I walked in the woods above my house and found three saplings about
> > the right size, and cut them, and carried them home. It worked good
> > enough. The yards weren't perfectly straight, but I just cut the polytarp
> > sail to match the crookedness of the yards (plus a few inches in the belly
> > to give the sail some draft) . IOW, I spread the polytarp on the lawn, then
> > I laid the yards on the polytarp and marked lines with a felt tip marker.
> > Then I added 3 or 4 inches at the center of each yard, tapering to zero at
> > the ends. Then added 2 inches for the fold over seam, cut, nylon zip tie to
> > yards.
> >
>
Thanks for the "you can do it" and I've read that the mast and sail aren't extremely complicated. But, I have almost no tools (outside of a few hand tools and a sander), or the skills to use them, or the $400 or so needed for lumber, tools, tarp kit, and harware. Since I'm new in the neighborhood, I don't even have the option of borrowing a tool or running something by a person who's more knowledgeable. Fabricating a mast and sail it is just isn't an option sadly.
Would the mast of a Sunfish be strong enough? I can find complete rigs with hardware for about $100. I've also seen rigs from small cat boats, Would those work as well?
Thanks, Matt
Would the mast of a Sunfish be strong enough? I can find complete rigs with hardware for about $100. I've also seen rigs from small cat boats, Would those work as well?
Thanks, Matt
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> On a Bolger Teal I made a few years back I used trees for the mast and
> yards. I walked in the woods above my house and found three saplings about
> the right size, and cut them, and carried them home. It worked good
> enough. The yards weren't perfectly straight, but I just cut the polytarp
> sail to match the crookedness of the yards (plus a few inches in the belly
> to give the sail some draft) . IOW, I spread the polytarp on the lawn, then
> I laid the yards on the polytarp and marked lines with a felt tip marker.
> Then I added 3 or 4 inches at the center of each yard, tapering to zero at
> the ends. Then added 2 inches for the fold over seam, cut, nylon zip tie to
> yards.
>
On a Bolger Teal I made a few years back I used trees for the mast and yards. I walked in the woods above my house and found three saplings about the right size, and cut them, and carried them home. It worked good enough. The yards weren't perfectly straight, but I just cut the polytarp sail to match the crookedness of the yards (plus a few inches in the belly to give the sail some draft) . IOW, I spread the polytarp on the lawn, then I laid the yards on the polytarp and marked lines with a felt tip marker. Then I added 3 or 4 inches at the center of each yard, tapering to zero at the ends. Then added 2 inches for the fold over seam, cut, nylon zip tie to yards.
Making a lug rig for this little boat would be easy as pie. Check out this website http://www.pdgoose.com/sails.htm the Michalak 76sqft lug would be about perfect IMHO. Also look at Shorty's sites http://www.pdracer.com/mast/ and http://www.pdracer.com/sail/4-sided-sails/ For a sail, go with a polytarp. Check out this website http://www.polysail.com/ I sewed my own but Dave can make one for you or sell you a kit. He has white heavy duty tarps that vary from 3.5 to 5.5 per yard (the 5.5 oz equates to about 3.5 for a sailmakers yard BTW).
I used a tan on from these guys 'cause I want a faux Egyptian cotton look http://www.tarpsplus.com/poly-tarps.html You'll need some pulleys too. You can get the best prices from Chuck at http://www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/blocks/index.htm My own has a mix of "real" hardware and Home Depot hardware.
If you want to go with a lateen (Sunfish) rig download the freebie PDR plans from Duckworks http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/pdr.htm
Mike Monies did the EC in the Scamp with one of Dave's sails. No problems at all. I've put a couple of hundred miles under my PDGoose in the last couple of months on a poly tarp sail. No problems at all.
Here's the
important part. You can do this for less than $100. Build your mast out of 2x 4's and use hardware store rope. Keep it cheap and you'll have a blast.
MOST IMPORTANT $HIT, if you don't have the original plans or you're using a different type of sail, MAKE sure the center of effort on the sail lines up over the dagger board, about an inch forward of the aft edge of the dagger board. Read Jim Michalak's essay on sail balance. Look for the link on this site http://buildboats.com/bbmichalakindex.html
DO IT!
John Boy
Living the dream...
From:MPCOSG <mpcosg@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Mon, June 20, 2011 11:28:49 PM
Subject:[bolger] Opinions on Windsprint mast/sail retrofit
Hi! Long time lurker here. Oddly enough, I found a post here were my boat is mentioned asking about the worth of it. I'm it's 3rd or 4th owner, oars and oar loacks are still here but the sails and carbon mast is long gone...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/51849.
Well, by dumb luck I moved to a house on a lake and finally got to waddle my Windsprint across the road on a homebuilt 2 wheeled dolly and into the water. And after looking at it for the last year and a half I'm plenty happy for now to row it.
Today, I came to grips that I don't have the time, tools or skill, to make a mast and or a sail. The money alone to have them both built (roughly $1400) is just out of the question.
I'd love to retrofit the boat with a mast and sail but I really could use some input. A lug setup seems to be out of the question by price alone but I'll continue to troll Craigslist anyway still hoping. I've been looking at sunfish/sailfish only because I see them around and the size and weight of the whole rig is attractive, but I really have no idea if it's doable.
Are there other mast sail combos that would fit the bill?
Thanks, Matt
.
Matt,
I've used a Windsprint hull other ways than sailing. But I've thought often of adding the rig. Still have the mast I made for it once.
Polytarp or purchased, the designed balanced lug might also be a little too much in size for a beginning sailor like myself. That'd also be good for some larger boats. But if you diagram it, you'll see the 59 square foot Instant Boat sail fits aboutexactlyat the mast position of the lug. That's some cheaper to buy readymade; and quick, easy and cheap to do in polytarp. The mast is just left square with rounded corners and glues up out of a modest pile of 1 x 4's. I took the measurements from theJunebugsail rig plans also appearing inBuild the New Instant Boats. For that matter, the removable mast thwart could be copied too.
If you're careful about the center of the sail having the correct lead on the center of the leeboard, just about any old rig the right size will do. The lateen is said to perform well and be easy to sail.
If you've simply got to do it for next to nothing in an afternoon, something as simple as this piece of flat polytarp is proven to work.
If you'd like enough class for your own lake, think Bamboo.
Craig O'D has got some ideas for cheap and simple rigs here.
Some quite good work here,
Or in Jim Michalak's lessons.
You can broaden your search for used sails this way.
Atlantic and Bacon Sails have been in business a long time.
Or from this list
Or starting withThe $50, 5 Hour Canoe Sail Rig, spend an evening here.
Best wishes,
Mark
On Jun 20, 2011, at 9:28 PM, MPCOSG wrote:
Hi! Long time lurker here. Oddly enough, I found a post here were my boat is mentioned asking about the worth of it. I'm it's 3rd or 4th owner, oars and oar loacks are still here but the sails and carbon mast is long gone...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/51849.
Well, by dumb luck I moved to a house on a lake and finally got to waddle my Windsprint across the road on a homebuilt 2 wheeled dolly and into the water. And after looking at it for the last year and a half I'm plenty happy for now to row it.
Today, I came to grips that I don't have the time, tools or skill, to make a mast and or a sail. The money alone to have them both built (roughly $1400) is just out of the question.
I'd love to retrofit the boat with a mast and sail but I really could use some input. A lug setup seems to be out of the question by price alone but I'll continue to troll Craigslist anyway still hoping. I've been looking at sunfish/sailfish only because I see them around and the size and weight of the whole rig is attractive, but I really have no idea if it's doable.
Are there other mast sail combos that would fit the bill?
Thanks, Matt
.
Matt,
There are lots of boats use the Windsprint sail rig made from poly tarp
and a few 2x4`s
Join this group and ask.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/
Nels
There are lots of boats use the Windsprint sail rig made from poly tarp
and a few 2x4`s
Join this group and ask.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Michalak/
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MPCOSG" <mpcosg@...> wrote:
>
> Hi! Long time lurker here. Oddly enough, I found a post here were my
boat is mentioned asking about the worth of it. I'm it's 3rd or 4th
owner, oars and oar loacks are still here but the sails and carbon mast
is long gone...
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/51849.
> Well, by dumb luck I moved to a house on a lake and finally got to
waddle my Windsprint across the road on a homebuilt 2 wheeled dolly and
into the water. And after looking at it for the last year and a half I'm
plenty happy for now to row it.
>
> Today, I came to grips that I don't have the time, tools or skill, to
make a mast and or a sail. The money alone to have them both built
(roughly $1400) is just out of the question.
> I'd love to retrofit the boat with a mast and sail but I really could
use some input. A lug setup seems to be out of the question by price
alone but I'll continue to troll Craigslist anyway still hoping. I've
been looking at sunfish/sailfish only because I see them around and the
size and weight of the whole rig is attractive, but I really have no
idea if it's doable.
> Are there other mast sail combos that would fit the bill?
> Thanks, Matt
>
> .
>
Hi! Long time lurker here. Oddly enough, I found a post here were my boat is mentioned asking about the worth of it. I'm it's 3rd or 4th owner, oars and oar loacks are still here but the sails and carbon mast is long gone...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/51849.
Well, by dumb luck I moved to a house on a lake and finally got to waddle my Windsprint across the road on a homebuilt 2 wheeled dolly and into the water. And after looking at it for the last year and a half I'm plenty happy for now to row it.
Today, I came to grips that I don't have the time, tools or skill, to make a mast and or a sail. The money alone to have them both built (roughly $1400) is just out of the question.
I'd love to retrofit the boat with a mast and sail but I really could use some input. A lug setup seems to be out of the question by price alone but I'll continue to troll Craigslist anyway still hoping. I've been looking at sunfish/sailfish only because I see them around and the size and weight of the whole rig is attractive, but I really have no idea if it's doable.
Are there other mast sail combos that would fit the bill?
Thanks, Matt
.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/51849.
Well, by dumb luck I moved to a house on a lake and finally got to waddle my Windsprint across the road on a homebuilt 2 wheeled dolly and into the water. And after looking at it for the last year and a half I'm plenty happy for now to row it.
Today, I came to grips that I don't have the time, tools or skill, to make a mast and or a sail. The money alone to have them both built (roughly $1400) is just out of the question.
I'd love to retrofit the boat with a mast and sail but I really could use some input. A lug setup seems to be out of the question by price alone but I'll continue to troll Craigslist anyway still hoping. I've been looking at sunfish/sailfish only because I see them around and the size and weight of the whole rig is attractive, but I really have no idea if it's doable.
Are there other mast sail combos that would fit the bill?
Thanks, Matt
.