RE: [bolger] Re: Does this Bolger design exist?

A little bigger than you had in mind—check out the “triple Keel Sloop”, design 328 inDifferent Boats.

 

JohnT

 

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto: bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf OfPeter
Sent:Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:28 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: Does this Bolger design exist?

 

 

> Are you perhaps referring to Phil's design # 589

> for H. H. Payson, "Catfish Beach Cruiser?"

No, although functionally it would be similar to the open-cockpit version of #589.

The idea began as a Small Boat Journal cartoon, and was picked up by a guy who wanted to build them out of fiberglass. As far as I know, it never got into production. There is a picture in one of Phil's books.

As I recall, it had a shoal keel (which is not like a Thames barge), but he hull sections were quite flat through most of the bottom.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Peter <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
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>
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> > In the BWAOM chapter called something like
> > "For Moorings and Private Landings" is an 18' gaff-rigged daysailer...
>
> That would be the one I was thinking of.
>


Also known as "Little Fuss" from the Small Boat Journal #32, Aug/Sept 1983.
> In the BWAOM chapter called something like
> "For Moorings and Private Landings" is an 18' gaff-rigged daysailer...

That would be the one I was thinking of.
In the BWAOM chapter called something like "For Moorings and Private Landings" is an 18' gaff-rigged daysailer that has a hull shape similar to what you describe. In lacks a cabin and accomodation, but has the shoal keel. It's only a concept unfortunately, but it seems to me that the cabin and rig you desire would fit this hull.

Jon

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "tfpainter1422" <tfpainter1422@...> wrote:
>
> I have or have had all of Bolger's books but that leaves many, probably hundreds more that I haven't seen. Anyway, just curious did Bolger ever design a scaled down Romp type hull that is similar in size, proportion and layout to Micro?
>
> Looking for the following features:
>
> 16' x 6' (or thereabouts)
> Romp style shoal draft (Thames Barge) hullform.
> Shallow ballast keel w/ or w/o centerboard (no leeboards!)
> Unstayed cat yawl rig
> Spartan cabin (mostly cockpit)
> Inboard rudder
>
> Sounds a bit like the Peep Hen...but they missed the mizzen and shoal ballast keel!
>
> Are you perhaps referring to Phil's design # 589
> for H. H. Payson, "Catfish Beach Cruiser?"

No, although functionally it would be similar to the open-cockpit version of #589.

The idea began as a Small Boat Journal cartoon, and was picked up by a guy who wanted to build them out of fiberglass. As far as I know, it never got into production. There is a picture in one of Phil's books.

As I recall, it had a shoal keel (which is not like a Thames barge), but he hull sections were quite flat through most of the bottom.
Are you perhaps referring to Phil's design # 589 for H. H. Payson, "Catfish Beach Cruiser?"

On Aug 2, 2011, at 2:08 PM, Peter wrote:

 

> Yeah, I was thinking about the PWSY too.
> Bolger did a lots of boats on the Thames barge concept.

There was a catboat of 15' or 16' that was supposed to be an exercise in simplicity. Cat rig rather than cat yawl, but maybe the hull was similar.


> Yeah, I was thinking about the PWSY too.
> Bolger did a lots of boats on the Thames barge concept.

There was a catboat of 15' or 16' that was supposed to be an exercise in simplicity. Cat rig rather than cat yawl, but maybe the hull was similar.
Yeah, I was thinking about the PWSY too. Bolger did a lots of boats on the Thames barge concept.

What I'm thinking of is not far off from Welsford's Pilgrim or a Highlander 18...just can't find exactly what I want. Might have to dust off the spline weights..



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:
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> On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, tfpainter1422 <tfpainter1422@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I have or have had all of Bolger's books but that leaves many, probably hundreds more that I haven't seen. Anyway, just curious did Bolger ever design a scaled down Romp type hull that is similar in size, proportion and layout to Micro?
> >
> > Looking for the following features:
> >
> > 16' x 6' (or thereabouts)
> > Romp style shoal draft (Thames Barge) hullform.
> > Shallow ballast keel w/ or w/o centerboard (no leeboards!)
> > Unstayed cat yawl rig
> > Spartan cabin (mostly cockpit)
> > Inboard rudder
> >
>
>
> I think the 16 foot Prince William Sound Yawl has a scaled down hull
> shape similar to Romp.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/PWSY/PWSY.png
>
> The parts of your wish list might be hard to achieve in a boat only 16
> feet long.
>
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 8:21 PM, tfpainter1422 <tfpainter1422@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have or have had all of Bolger's books but that leaves many, probably hundreds more that I haven't seen. Anyway, just curious did Bolger ever design a scaled down Romp type hull that is similar in size, proportion and layout to Micro?
>
> Looking for the following features:
>
> 16' x 6' (or thereabouts)
> Romp style shoal draft (Thames Barge) hullform.
> Shallow ballast keel w/ or w/o centerboard (no leeboards!)
> Unstayed cat yawl rig
> Spartan cabin (mostly cockpit)
> Inboard rudder
>


I think the 16 foot Prince William Sound Yawl has a scaled down hull
shape similar to Romp.

http://hallman.org/bolger/PWSY/PWSY.png

The parts of your wish list might be hard to achieve in a boat only 16
feet long.

When PCB wasn’t drawing sharpies, one of his sources of inspiration was the Thames Barge. The closest thing that I know of to a small barge is the Recreational Rowboat, design #300 inThe Folding Schooner. It’s about 3 ft shorter and 2 ft narrower than your specs. PCB’s comment was “…this is a poor design for a sail or motor boat, being modeled for a slower speed than you are entitled to expect of either.”

 

JohnT

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto: bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf Oftfpainter1422
Sent:Monday, August 01, 2011 11:21 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Does this Bolger design exist?

 

 

I have or have had all of Bolger's books but that leaves many, probably hundreds more that I haven't seen. Anyway, just curious did Bolger ever design a scaled down Romp type hull that is similar in size, proportion and layout to Micro?

Looking for the following features:

16' x 6' (or thereabouts)
Romp style shoal draft (Thames Barge) hullform.
Shallow ballast keel w/ or w/o centerboard (no leeboards!)
Unstayed cat yawl rig
Spartan cabin (mostly cockpit)
Inboard rudder

Sounds a bit like the Peep Hen...but they missed the mizzen and shoal ballast keel!

I have or have had all of Bolger's books but that leaves many, probably hundreds more that I haven't seen. Anyway, just curious did Bolger ever design a scaled down Romp type hull that is similar in size, proportion and layout to Micro?

Looking for the following features:

16' x 6' (or thereabouts)
Romp style shoal draft (Thames Barge) hullform.
Shallow ballast keel w/ or w/o centerboard (no leeboards!)
Unstayed cat yawl rig
Spartan cabin (mostly cockpit)
Inboard rudder

Sounds a bit like the Peep Hen...but they missed the mizzen and shoal ballast keel!