Re: Design contest

While I have not read all the replys on this thread yet I'd like to
sugestyou run the contest with the rules you proposed a general
statement as toward the economy end of the scale. it leaves a lot of
room for people to se their own standards and I belive intresting to
see what different people feel is economy. Dollor cost of hull is
good much better than length if you must have some fixed limit. Also
by not limiting it to sail or power or human then the entrys can be
diverse yet still judged by how each fufills its intended role
Thankyou
Jeff Bybee



--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jeff Gilbert" <jgilbert@d...> wrote:
>
> Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
>
>
> Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined
to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so
to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd
like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would
you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all
ideas are welcome.
> To get the ball rolling:
> To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification
towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing
numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise
the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the
entrant.
The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the hull,
whilst
any form or combination of motive power (sail, mechanical, human)
would be allowed.
> ***************************************************
> Jeff Gilbert,
> for
> Chuck Leinweber, editor
> Duckworks E-Zine
> www.duc
Dear Jeff,

Please keep me posted on the contest project. I think a
performance-based set of criteria, like those in your reply, are the
best way to go in a contest. I especially like the building space
restriction.

Do you think that Phil Bolger might be interested in being one of
the judges? He has recommended that people try to design their own
boats. Jim Michilak is a great addition to the contest. He certainly
spends enough time at this stuff, and he really knows his stuff.

Take care,
Pete Reynolds



--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jeff Gilbert" <jgilbert@d...> wrote:
>
> Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
>
>
> Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined
to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so
to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd
like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would
you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all
ideas are welcome.
> To get the ball rolling:
> To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification
towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing
numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise
the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the
entrant. The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the
hull, whilst any form or combination of motive power (sail,
mechanical, human) would be allowed.
> ***************************************************
> Jeff Gilbert,
> for
> Chuck Leinweber, editor
> Duckworks E-Zine
> www.duckworksmagazine.com
Jeff,

I'm definitely interested in your design contest idea. Sign me up
as an entrant, right now!

I spend most of my free time thinking about boats, designing them,
and building them, not to mention sailing them. I have a number of
cartoons on paper, and a couple further along the design curve.

I agree that a seaworthy small cruiser would be a good design to
start with. It's complex enough for fertile dreaming, and will enable
us amatuers to incorporate our ideas on accommodations, rigs, and
asthetics. I think a simpler boat, such as an outboard utility or a
daysailer won't appeal, as much, to all us dreamers who subscribe to
this group.

Here are some suggested design parameters:

Seaworthy enough for coastal cruising in ordinary summer weather,
without sweating squalls, winds of 20-30 kts., and heavy chop.

Simple accommodations for at least two, without resorting to much
built-in furniture (expensive), or too much converting tables to
berths, etc.

Spirited sailing performance. The boat will be daysailed as well as
cruised, and no one wants to sit in a dog during a quick cocktail
hour sail.

Shelter can be either a cabin or a tent, but it should provide a dry,
bugless, well ventilated place to sleep. Easily rigged shade should
be provided at anchor. Comfort in a muggy, East Coast summer should
be kept in mind.

Simple construction with readily available materials.

Storing of essential equipment, such as sails, anchors, and
outboards, should be outlined.

Drawings should be detailed enough that readers can get a good sense
of how the boat will feel, and how she's to be built. Drawings should
be to scale, and approxmate displacement calculated (an easy enough
excercise).

That's all I can think of, without going on and on. I hope others
will be interested in this. I think we have a talented, creative
bunch on this group, and we'd have a lot of fun batting around ideas.

Take care,
Pete Reynolds





--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jeff Gilbert" <jgilbert@d...> wrote:
>
> Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
>
>
> Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined
to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so
to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd
like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would
you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all
ideas are welcome.
> To get the ball rolling:
> To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification
towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing
numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise
the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the
entrant. The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the
hull, whilst any form or combination of motive power (sail,
mechanical, human) would be allowed.
> ***************************************************
> Jeff Gilbert,
> for
> Chuck Leinweber, editor
> Duckworks E-Zine
> www.duckworksmagazine.com
I've always thought it would be fun to run a design contest like the client/designer process normally follows, may be something like:
-submit cartoons (everyone) to get proof the designers understand the concepts
-select 5 or 6 designers to develop ideas to the hydrostatic stage ie lines, sail plan, layout
-select 1 or 2 finalists to work up full plans
 
This would give people lots of chances to see others work and have input.
 
As for the design, how about a seaworthy, self righting open boat of 15 - 20 feet , sort of a Drascom lugger, Storm Petrel or Oldshoe replacement. 
-----Original Message-----
From:Jeff Gilbert [mailto:jgilbert@...]
Sent:Wednesday, 16 August 2000 12:18
To:Bolger eGroup
Cc:Ron Badley; ROB DENNEY; Classic Boat Group; Wooden Boats Aust Group
Subject:[bolger] Design contest

 
Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
 
 
Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all ideas are welcome.
To get the ball rolling:
To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the entrant. The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the hull, whilst any form or combination of motive power (sail, mechanical, human) would be allowed.
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Jeff Gilbert,
for
Chuck Leinweber, editor
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
 
Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
 
 
Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all ideas are welcome.
To get the ball rolling:
To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the entrant. The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the hull, whilst any form or combination of motive power (sail, mechanical, human) would be allowed.
              ***************************************************
Jeff Gilbert,
for
Chuck Leinweber, editor
Foster

re1/ I agree your idea method would be valuable.. The mailing back & forth
creates a bit of work, but the thing that
mkes me inclined against the method is its above all an Amateur contest...it
was hoped to get entries from ffolks who are not confident,... even attract
people who dont know how to do a lines plan, but can conceptualise the boat
via cross-sections.
re 2/ Great as it gives a lot of room for style. Plus real sailing boats.
Jeff
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----- Original Message -----
From: Foster Price
Subject: RE: [bolger] Design contest

1>I've always thought it would be fun to run a design contest like the
client/designer process normally follows, may be something like:
-submit cartoons (everyone) to get proof the designers understand the
concepts
-select 5 or 6 designers to develop ideas to the hydrostatic stage ie lines,
sail plan, layout
-select 1 or 2 finalists to work up full plans
This would give people lots of chances to see others work and have input.

2.>As for the design, how about a seaworthy, self righting open boat of 15 -
20 feet , sort of a Drascom lugger, Storm Petrel or Oldshoe replacement.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Gilbert [mailto:jgilbert@...]
Subject: [bolger] Design contest

Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...


Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined to
amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so to
maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd like any
input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would you like to
design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all ideas are welcome.
To get the ball rolling:
To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification towards the
economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing numbers would be the
absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise the boat, which would
remain the intellectual property of the entrant. The method of size
limitation could be dollar cost of the hull, whilst any form or combination
of motive power (sail, mechanical, human) would be allowed.
***************************************************
Jeff Gilbert,
for
Chuck Leinweber, editor
Duckworks E-Zine
www.duckworksmagazine.com