Re: S and G Sweet Pea

Thanks to you and I will follow Mark's links

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mark Albanese <marka97203@...> wrote:
>
> Ãric
>
> I wonder what your question really is here. Sweet Pea is designed for
> S&G construction, just as you describe. Do you mean, "Will it hold
> together without the keel structure and decking?" Sure. It may not be
> as stiff a structure that way. But if you're not sailing it won't
> have to be.
>
> You might want Harold Payson's book Instant Boatbuilding With
> Dynamite Payson which includes step by step instructions for the boat.
>
>
>
>
> On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ãric wrote:
>
> > Howdy
> >
> > I have been reading most of what has been written on SweetPea in
> > this group. I have the plans and as the planking is developped, was
> > wondering if it was possible to stitch everything together and then
> > fillet and tape with epoxy or even polyester ?
> > I intend to use her for rowing only without the removable keel and
> > with three seat thwarts in lieu of her decking.
> >
> > regards
> >
> >
>

1) Sweet Pea was developed before epoxy use became widespread and was originally put together with polyester resin. I built one that way and it is still around. However, IMHO, epoxy is a superior material and I would not consider using polyester today.

2) The “slipping keel” is a complicated way to obtain lateral resistance while sailing and does not contribute any structural strength to the boat. It does add to the complexity of the build (you have to build 2 centerboard cases), the material/cost required, and the weight of the boat. I built mine with a permanently attached keel and it would sail after a fashion. No doubt the extra wetted surface degraded rowing performance, but I was satisfied with rowing it. If I built a Sweet Pea without a keel, I think I’d add a skeg…

3) The virtues of the somewhat unusual “decking” arrangement are a) the decks provide a place to sit while sailing, b) the movable seats allow the boat to trim with passengers, and c) the seats can be moved to allow rowing from a standing position. If you are not going to sail or row standing up, a Sweet Pea with conventional thwarts will work fine and probably be lighter than the original version.

Go for it and have fun.

JohnT

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto: bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf OfÃ‰ric
Sent:Saturday, September 17, 2011 12:48 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] S and G Sweet Pea

Howdy

I have been reading most of what has been written on SweetPea in this group. I have the plans and as the planking is developped, was wondering if it was possible to stitch everything together and then fillet and tape with epoxy or even polyester ?
I intend to use her for rowing only without the removable keel and with three seat thwarts in lieu of her decking.

regards

Ãric

I wonder what your question really is here. Sweet Pea is designed for S&G construction, just as you describe. Do you mean, "Will it hold together without the keel structure and decking?" Sure. It may not be as stiff a structure that way. But if you're not sailing it won't have to be.

You might want Harold Payson's bookInstant Boatbuilding With Dynamite Paysonwhich includes step by step instructions for the boat.

On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:47 AM, Ãric wrote:

Howdy

I have been reading most of what has been written on SweetPea in this group. I have the plans and as the planking is developped, was wondering if it was possible to stitch everything together and then fillet and tape with epoxy or even polyester ?
I intend to use her for rowing only without the removable keel and with three seat thwarts in lieu of her decking.

regards

Michalak (& others) stitched together a Gull. One keen rower, Malcolm, has stitched up a Gull, a Sucher light dory, and a Sweet Pea, that I recall. Malcolm is a member of openboat and DoryBoat Yahoo groups and posts there with moderate frequency (member here too?). Malcolm knows his dories and rowboats, knows much of their use from long years of experience including cruising and fishing from them, and certainly knows something of their building and rigging. His posts are always informative, and a delight to read. I'm sure if you post your query at those forums he'll be of help to you if able.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openboat/http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoryBoat/If searching there, Malcolm's Yahoo ID of "lonach34" may help.

2007 spread of pics of Malcolm's Sweet Pea buildhttp://picasaweb.google.com/lonach34/SweetPeaGallery#He's posted about why and how he went about this build and how it turned out on those other groups a few times since. He's posted photos and files there also that are worth perusal. A few:

2008 pics of Sweet Pea cartopped, a dolly, and a row in snow:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoryBoat/photos/album/1502255381/pic/list

2010 and a sail:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DoryBoat/photos/album/1562426564/pic/list

#23616 From: malcolmf <malcolmf@...>
Date: Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:10 am
Subject: Sweet Pea

"There must be something about the late season and the fear of a winter
with no boating.

I have now just finished my third stitch and glue boat in three years.
This time it is a modification of the Bolger "Sweet Pea".

In collaboration with Dynamite Payson, they came up with a version of
the great classic Peapod. I quibble with their lineage as to me it
seems more like a two chine gunning dory, a Scandinavian boat or
Oughtred's Skerrie Skiff. Whatever.

In addition to a 'heavy duty' boat for all conditions, I want a light
weight boat, cartoppable if necessary, though usually on a trailer,
could be best described as an open water rowing boat that can be sailed
and will accommodate two grandsons for fishing on small ponds as required.

With winter rapidly closing in, with temperatures that will no longer
work for epoxy and paint, it was a rush to complete.
I did so - just barely. Most nights here are now killing frosts. There
is more detail work to be done, but the boat will be available for
winter rowing in salt water. The fresh waters hereabouts are generally
about 12-18 inches thick with ice.
http/www.picasaweb.google.com/lonach34/SweetPeaGallery# "

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/openboat/message/23616

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Ãric <courrielel@...> wrote:
>
> Howdy
>
> I have been reading most of what has been written on SweetPea in this group. I have the plans and as the planking is developped, was wondering if it was possible to stitch everything together and then fillet and tape with epoxy or even polyester ?
> I intend to use her for rowing only without the removable keel and with three seat thwarts in lieu of her decking.