Re: Design contest

--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jeff Gilbert" <jgilbert@d...> wrote:
An amature design contest sounds like a great idea and will,
no doubt, generate a great deal of discussion. I would suggest that a
new "eGroups" "group" might be in order since, I believe, the
"Bolger" group was originally intended for "Discussion of Phil
Bolger's Boat Designs" (see message #1). Maybe "amature boat
designers" group?

Of course if everything any of us has to say about Mr. Bolger's
designs has already been said (not!), then why NOT change the
subject? Maybe there is a connection here that I have missed?

Al (in Ann Arbor)




> Pete
> It looks like being a goer.
> Jim Michalak has added some creedence by kindly agreeing to help
judge.
> I like your ideas, i was thinking low cost-coastal-spartan accom..
> Lets see what a few more reckon...
> Hope to get a spec thats mostly agreeable to most potential
entrants.
> Jeff,
> ps I like the idea of very simple specs, bsed around a single
simple
object
> such as
> 1/ an over all home-build hull cost say under 2k.
> or 2/ to be home built in a 20 x 12 garage.
> or 3/ to be driven 300k, sailed 300, then driven home in a week.
> or 4/ (WLL + beam + mast height) < 50 feet.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <pmcrannell@y...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:55 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Design contest
>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I'm definitely interested in your design contest idea. Sign me up
> as an entrant, right now!
>
> I spend most of my free time thinking about boats, designing
them,
> and building them, not to mention sailing them. I have a number of
> cartoons on paper, and a couple further along the design curve.
>
> I agree that a seaworthy small cruiser would be a good design to
> start with. It's complex enough for fertile dreaming, and will
enable
> us amatuers to incorporate our ideas on accommodations, rigs, and
> asthetics. I think a simpler boat, such as an outboard utility or a
> daysailer won't appeal, as much, to all us dreamers who subscribe to
> this group.
>
> Here are some suggested design parameters:
>
> *Seaworthy enough for coastal cruising in ordinary summer weather,
> without sweating squalls, winds of 20-30 kts., and heavy chop.
> Simple accommodations for at least two, without resorting to much
> built-in furniture (expensive), or too much converting tables to
> berths, etc.
> Spirited sailing performance. The boat will be daysailed as well as
> cruised, and no one wants to sit in a dog during a quick cocktail
> hour sail.
> Shelter can be either a cabin or a tent, but it should provide a
dry,
> bugless, well ventilated place to sleep. Easily rigged shade should
> be provided at anchor. Comfort in a muggy, East Coast summer should
> be kept in mind.
> Simple construction with readily available materials.
> Storing of essential equipment, such as sails, anchors, and
> outboards, should be outlined.
> Drawings should be detailed enough that readers can get a good sense
> of how the boat will feel, and how she's to be built. Drawings
should
> be to scale, and approxmate displacement calculated (an easy enough
> excercise).
>
> That's all I can think of, without going on and on. I hope others
> will be interested in this. I think we have a talented, creative
> bunch on this group, and we'd have a lot of fun batting around
ideas.
>
> Take care,
> Pete Reynolds
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jeff Gilbert" <jgilbert@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
> >
> >
> > Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined
> to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all,
so
> to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd
> like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat
would
> you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and
all
> ideas are welcome.
> > To get the ball rolling:
> > To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification
> towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing
> numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully
conceptualise
> the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the
> entrant. The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the
> hull, whilst any form or combination of motive power (sail,
> mechanical, human) would be allowed.
> >
***************************************************
> > Jeff Gilbert,
> > for
> > Chuck Leinweber, editor
> > Duckworks E-Zine
> > www.duckworksmagazine.com

----- Original Message -----
From: <pmcrannell@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:55 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Design contest


Jeff,

I'm definitely interested in your design contest idea. Sign me up
as an entrant, right now!

I spend most of my free time thinking about boats, designing them,
and building them, not to mention sailing them. I have a number of
cartoons on paper, and a couple further along the design curve.

I agree that a seaworthy small cruiser would be a good design to
start with. It's complex enough for fertile dreaming, and will enable
us amatuers to incorporate our ideas on accommodations, rigs, and
asthetics. I think a simpler boat, such as an outboard utility or a
daysailer won't appeal, as much, to all us dreamers who subscribe to
this group.

Here are some suggested design parameters:

*Seaworthy enough for coastal cruising in ordinary summer weather,
without sweating squalls, winds of 20-30 kts., and heavy chop.
Simple accommodations for at least two, without resorting to much
built-in furniture (expensive), or too much converting tables to
berths, etc.
Spirited sailing performance. The boat will be daysailed as well as
cruised, and no one wants to sit in a dog during a quick cocktail
hour sail.
Shelter can be either a cabin or a tent, but it should provide a dry,
bugless, well ventilated place to sleep. Easily rigged shade should
be provided at anchor. Comfort in a muggy, East Coast summer should
be kept in mind.
Simple construction with readily available materials.
Storing of essential equipment, such as sails, anchors, and
outboards, should be outlined.
Drawings should be detailed enough that readers can get a good sense
of how the boat will feel, and how she's to be built. Drawings should
be to scale, and approxmate displacement calculated (an easy enough
excercise).

That's all I can think of, without going on and on. I hope others
will be interested in this. I think we have a talented, creative
bunch on this group, and we'd have a lot of fun batting around ideas.

Take care,
Pete Reynolds





--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Jeff Gilbert" <jgilbert@d...> wrote:
>
> Amateur designers, coffee-table scribblers...
>
>
> Duckworks are considering running a boat design contest confined
to amateurs. The ideas that emerge will be for the benefit of all, so
to maximise the gains wed like to maximise the entry. Initially we'd
like any input from you guys that we can get. What type of boat would
you like to design? How far would you want to develop it? Any and all
ideas are welcome.
> To get the ball rolling:
> To keep the contest within the scope of all, a specification
towards the economy end of the scale has been suggested. Drawing
numbers would be the absolute minimum required to fully conceptualise
the boat, which would remain the intellectual property of the
entrant. The method of size limitation could be dollar cost of the
hull, whilst any form or combination of motive power (sail,
mechanical, human) would be allowed.
> ***************************************************
> Jeff Gilbert,
> for
> Chuck Leinweber, editor
> Duckworks E-Zine
> www.duckworksmagazine.com