Re: Which boat next?
bruce,
if you read my first line I want to expand all dimensions in proportion stopping when the headroom reached 6 feet,
nowhere did I say that I wanted to keep the 20' loa.
As to the headroom requirement,having lived in a sailboat 4" shy of full headroom for 6 years fulltime caused back problems.
"headroom is deemed unnecessary by those that have it"
mike
if you read my first line I want to expand all dimensions in proportion stopping when the headroom reached 6 feet,
nowhere did I say that I wanted to keep the 20' loa.
As to the headroom requirement,having lived in a sailboat 4" shy of full headroom for 6 years fulltime caused back problems.
"headroom is deemed unnecessary by those that have it"
mike
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:25 AM, m riley <mkriley48@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
> bruce,
> can you just change the dimension of the inside headroom to give 6 feet and have all the others change as well?
> this design would look good as a full size liveaboard along the lines of a thames barge.
> mike
>
Well, you change the headroom to 6 feet, but it then would be a much
different boat, with perhaps unforeseen repercussions. (For instance,
with the higher cabin, could you still have vision lines looking
forward from the cockpit while sailing?)
If you need a 'full size liveaboard' 6ft headrom in a 20 foot overall
length, that gets into the 'pushing the envelope' realm. Not that it
isn't inconceivable. The PB&F designs 'Col. HG Hassler', and
Superbrick both do this already. And, believe it or not, the 15'4"
Micro Navigator has about two square feet of standing space tall
enough that my 6ft-0in body can stand up straight enough to pull up my
pants with the cabin hatch closed.
Another way to achieve this standing headroom desire is to use a
tent/awning above the slot top cabin. I don't see any problem with
rigging a simple tarp strung on a rope stretched between the main mast
and mizzen mast of this Chebacco RD to give full length walking
headroom from stem to stern with this design as is.
And, plenty of 'old salts' have argued persuasively that standing
headroom in a boat is much over rated. In all honesty, +99% of the
time while a boat is being used you are voluntarily by choice either
seated or lying down. For the other 1% of the time, the cost of the
necessary compromises is questionable value.
Oops! wrong photo of Jeff Stobbe's Bamaling, Loon. Here's the one showing
the galley:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Loon-1.jpg
the galley:
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Loon-1.jpg
On Sat, 08 Oct 2011 18:58:04 -0700, I wrote:
> In in smallish boat it makes sense to do ones cooking in the cockpit. I
> think cooking inside the cabin is over rated. I'd rather cook in the
> cockpit and keep all the steam and heat out of the cabin anyway. Jeff
> Stobbe built an Atkin Bamaling 21 1/2 foot motor cruiser and extended the
> hardtop aft over the cockpit. He built an actual galley in the forward
> part of the cockpit. A very sensible setup:
>
>http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Cruisers/Bamaling.html
>
>http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Loon-3.jpg
--
John (jkohnen@...)
"Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb.
"Necessity is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the
truth. (Alfred North Whitehead)
In in smallish boat it makes sense to do ones cooking in the cockpit. I
think cooking inside the cabin is over rated. I'd rather cook in the
cockpit and keep all the steam and heat out of the cabin anyway. Jeff
Stobbe built an Atkin Bamaling 21 1/2 foot motor cruiser and extended the
hardtop aft over the cockpit. He built an actual galley in the forward
part of the cockpit. A very sensible setup:
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Cruisers/Bamaling.html
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Loon-3.jpg
think cooking inside the cabin is over rated. I'd rather cook in the
cockpit and keep all the steam and heat out of the cabin anyway. Jeff
Stobbe built an Atkin Bamaling 21 1/2 foot motor cruiser and extended the
hardtop aft over the cockpit. He built an actual galley in the forward
part of the cockpit. A very sensible setup:
http://www.atkinboatplans.com/Cruisers/Bamaling.html
http://www.boat-links.com/PT/PT2003/Loon-3.jpg
On Fri, 07 Oct 2011 11:16:45 -0700, Harry J wrote:
> I do like to stand in the galley, the rest doesn't matter. For some
> reason headroom is a really big deal to a lot of people. I typically
> spend several weeks at a time on my Triton in the summer and the only
> time I am standing up and walking around is going forward on deck or
> after rowing ashore. The time spent moving around in the boat with my
> head bent is so small that it is statistically insignificant....
--
John (jkohnen@...)
It's hard to be religious when certain people are never
incinerated by bolts of lightning. (Bill Watterson)
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:16 AM, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
the galley is located outside in the cockpit. The boat is only a 20
ft. They do have a built-in "don't look down" head inside the cuddy
(up against the board trunk), but it achieves headroom through the
cuddy hatch.
>Agreed and well said. Though the way PB&F have ChebaccoRD designed,
> I do like to stand in the galley, the rest doesn't matter....if
> boat is rigged so you can sit comfortably at the stove galley area
the galley is located outside in the cockpit. The boat is only a 20
ft. They do have a built-in "don't look down" head inside the cuddy
(up against the board trunk), but it achieves headroom through the
cuddy hatch.
I do like to stand in the galley, the rest doesn't matter. For some
reason headroom is a really big deal to a lot of people. I typically
spend several weeks at a time on my Triton in the summer and the only
time I am standing up and walking around is going forward on deck or
after rowing ashore. The time spent moving around in the boat with my
head bent is so small that it is statistically insignificant. If the
boat is rigged so you can sit comfortably at the stove galley area and
reach every thing then the standing head room in the galley becomes less
important.
HJ
reason headroom is a really big deal to a lot of people. I typically
spend several weeks at a time on my Triton in the summer and the only
time I am standing up and walking around is going forward on deck or
after rowing ashore. The time spent moving around in the boat with my
head bent is so small that it is statistically insignificant. If the
boat is rigged so you can sit comfortably at the stove galley area and
reach every thing then the standing head room in the galley becomes less
important.
HJ
On 10/7/2011 6:43 AM, BruceHallman wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:25 AM, m riley<mkriley48@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> bruce,
>> can you just change the dimension of the inside headroom to give 6 feet and have all the others change as well?
>> this design would look good as a full size liveaboard along the lines of a thames barge.
>> mike
>>
> Well, you change the headroom to 6 feet, but it then would be a much
> different boat, with perhaps unforeseen repercussions. (For instance,
> with the higher cabin, could you still have vision lines looking
> forward from the cockpit while sailing?)
>
> If you need a 'full size liveaboard' 6ft headrom in a 20 foot overall
> length, that gets into the 'pushing the envelope' realm. Not that it
> isn't inconceivable. The PB&F designs 'Col. HG Hassler', and
> Superbrick both do this already. And, believe it or not, the 15'4"
> Micro Navigator has about two square feet of standing space tall
> enough that my 6ft-0in body can stand up straight enough to pull up my
> pants with the cabin hatch closed.
>
> Another way to achieve this standing headroom desire is to use a
> tent/awning above the slot top cabin. I don't see any problem with
> rigging a simple tarp strung on a rope stretched between the main mast
> and mizzen mast of this Chebacco RD to give full length walking
> headroom from stem to stern with this design as is.
>
> And, plenty of 'old salts' have argued persuasively that standing
> headroom in a boat is much over rated. In all honesty, +99% of the
> time while a boat is being used you are voluntarily by choice either
> seated or lying down. For the other 1% of the time, the cost of the
> necessary compromises is questionable value.
>
>
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Hey, congrats on the RD build, I'm excited! I've been interested in this one for while. Keep up the good documentation on the website, it's much appreciated!
Dave
Dave
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> Bruce,
>
> The Chebacco RD has some other well thought out features that are not immediately apparent.
>
> The cut-out in the keel you noticed is not for a propeller, it is designed to allow the use of a balanced rudder at the end of a full keel. When you turn the balanced rudder the leading edge sticks out into the water flow creating an angled slot between the end of the keel and the rudder blade. Presumably, if this slot is too small, water won't be able to get to the high pressure side of the rudder blade and stalling will result. Phil and Sussanne's clever idea was to incorporate a 6" cut-out in the keel ahead of the rudder to alleviate this problem. Balanced rudders are normally only seen as spade rudders on fin keel boats - the RD extends the balanced rudder benefits to a full keel boat hull. Brilliant! I am using this idea on my Chebacco 25 build.
>
> sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/Warrandyte-Wooden-Boats/file-cabinet/foil-section-rudder
>
> The other feature I really like in the Chebacco RD is the construction method. The boat is built around a keel/CB trunk/stem/horn spine. You literally hang the frames off the spine which is propped up vertically with a couple of sticks. The traditional ladder frame is eliminated. A pity I couldn't adapt this building method to my build.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I was just refreshing my awareness of design 540RD, Chebacco Raised
> > Deck, and it is another PB&F gem. The writeup is in MAIB Vol.22
> > No.17. Essentially a cruising upgrade to the older Chebacco design.
> > Lots of thoughtful detailing, some highlights: 1) Slot top, (with hard
> > hatches) making the process of stepping the mast more sure. 2) More
> > headroom in the cabin (raised deck), with well thought out port-lites.
> > 3) Ballasted centerboard, 100lbs of steel sandwiched in plywood. 4)
> > Mainmast moved forward to improve the helm balance problems of the
> > earlier Chebacco's 5) Serious built-in
> > tankage/storage/icebox/batteries-PVpanel(s)/ & toilet appropriate for
> > a cruiser.
> >
> > As I typically do when contemplating boats, I was doodling the shape
> > in 3D. Here is a screengrab of the incomplete doodle.
> >
> >http://hallman.org/bolger/iso540RD.jpg
> >
> > One question of Susanne, (if she has the time and inclination to
> > answer): I see what looks curiously like a cutout for a propeller in
> > the fin keel. Could that be?
> >
>
On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 7:25 AM, m riley <mkriley48@...> wrote:
different boat, with perhaps unforeseen repercussions. (For instance,
with the higher cabin, could you still have vision lines looking
forward from the cockpit while sailing?)
If you need a 'full size liveaboard' 6ft headrom in a 20 foot overall
length, that gets into the 'pushing the envelope' realm. Not that it
isn't inconceivable. The PB&F designs 'Col. HG Hassler', and
Superbrick both do this already. And, believe it or not, the 15'4"
Micro Navigator has about two square feet of standing space tall
enough that my 6ft-0in body can stand up straight enough to pull up my
pants with the cabin hatch closed.
Another way to achieve this standing headroom desire is to use a
tent/awning above the slot top cabin. I don't see any problem with
rigging a simple tarp strung on a rope stretched between the main mast
and mizzen mast of this Chebacco RD to give full length walking
headroom from stem to stern with this design as is.
And, plenty of 'old salts' have argued persuasively that standing
headroom in a boat is much over rated. In all honesty, +99% of the
time while a boat is being used you are voluntarily by choice either
seated or lying down. For the other 1% of the time, the cost of the
necessary compromises is questionable value.
>Well, you change the headroom to 6 feet, but it then would be a much
>
>
> bruce,
> can you just change the dimension of the inside headroom to give 6 feet and have all the others change as well?
> this design would look good as a full size liveaboard along the lines of a thames barge.
> mike
>
different boat, with perhaps unforeseen repercussions. (For instance,
with the higher cabin, could you still have vision lines looking
forward from the cockpit while sailing?)
If you need a 'full size liveaboard' 6ft headrom in a 20 foot overall
length, that gets into the 'pushing the envelope' realm. Not that it
isn't inconceivable. The PB&F designs 'Col. HG Hassler', and
Superbrick both do this already. And, believe it or not, the 15'4"
Micro Navigator has about two square feet of standing space tall
enough that my 6ft-0in body can stand up straight enough to pull up my
pants with the cabin hatch closed.
Another way to achieve this standing headroom desire is to use a
tent/awning above the slot top cabin. I don't see any problem with
rigging a simple tarp strung on a rope stretched between the main mast
and mizzen mast of this Chebacco RD to give full length walking
headroom from stem to stern with this design as is.
And, plenty of 'old salts' have argued persuasively that standing
headroom in a boat is much over rated. In all honesty, +99% of the
time while a boat is being used you are voluntarily by choice either
seated or lying down. For the other 1% of the time, the cost of the
necessary compromises is questionable value.
bruce,
can you just change the dimension of the inside headroom to give 6 feet and have all the others change as well?
this design would look good as a full size liveaboard along the lines of a thames barge.
mike
can you just change the dimension of the inside headroom to give 6 feet and have all the others change as well?
this design would look good as a full size liveaboard along the lines of a thames barge.
mike
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Andrew <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
> Phil and Sussanne's clever idea was to incorporate a 6" cut-out in the keel ahead of the rudder to alleviate this problem.Wow.
Bruce,
The Chebacco RD has some other well thought out features that are not immediately apparent.
The cut-out in the keel you noticed is not for a propeller, it is designed to allow the use of a balanced rudder at the end of a full keel. When you turn the balanced rudder the leading edge sticks out into the water flow creating an angled slot between the end of the keel and the rudder blade. Presumably, if this slot is too small, water won't be able to get to the high pressure side of the rudder blade and stalling will result. Phil and Sussanne's clever idea was to incorporate a 6" cut-out in the keel ahead of the rudder to alleviate this problem. Balanced rudders are normally only seen as spade rudders on fin keel boats - the RD extends the balanced rudder benefits to a full keel boat hull. Brilliant! I am using this idea on my Chebacco 25 build.
sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/Warrandyte-Wooden-Boats/file-cabinet/foil-section-rudder
The other feature I really like in the Chebacco RD is the construction method. The boat is built around a keel/CB trunk/stem/horn spine. You literally hang the frames off the spine which is propped up vertically with a couple of sticks. The traditional ladder frame is eliminated. A pity I couldn't adapt this building method to my build.
Regards,
Andrew
The Chebacco RD has some other well thought out features that are not immediately apparent.
The cut-out in the keel you noticed is not for a propeller, it is designed to allow the use of a balanced rudder at the end of a full keel. When you turn the balanced rudder the leading edge sticks out into the water flow creating an angled slot between the end of the keel and the rudder blade. Presumably, if this slot is too small, water won't be able to get to the high pressure side of the rudder blade and stalling will result. Phil and Sussanne's clever idea was to incorporate a 6" cut-out in the keel ahead of the rudder to alleviate this problem. Balanced rudders are normally only seen as spade rudders on fin keel boats - the RD extends the balanced rudder benefits to a full keel boat hull. Brilliant! I am using this idea on my Chebacco 25 build.
sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/Warrandyte-Wooden-Boats/file-cabinet/foil-section-rudder
The other feature I really like in the Chebacco RD is the construction method. The boat is built around a keel/CB trunk/stem/horn spine. You literally hang the frames off the spine which is propped up vertically with a couple of sticks. The traditional ladder frame is eliminated. A pity I couldn't adapt this building method to my build.
Regards,
Andrew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I was just refreshing my awareness of design 540RD, Chebacco Raised
> Deck, and it is another PB&F gem. The writeup is in MAIB Vol.22
> No.17. Essentially a cruising upgrade to the older Chebacco design.
> Lots of thoughtful detailing, some highlights: 1) Slot top, (with hard
> hatches) making the process of stepping the mast more sure. 2) More
> headroom in the cabin (raised deck), with well thought out port-lites.
> 3) Ballasted centerboard, 100lbs of steel sandwiched in plywood. 4)
> Mainmast moved forward to improve the helm balance problems of the
> earlier Chebacco's 5) Serious built-in
> tankage/storage/icebox/batteries-PVpanel(s)/ & toilet appropriate for
> a cruiser.
>
> As I typically do when contemplating boats, I was doodling the shape
> in 3D. Here is a screengrab of the incomplete doodle.
>
>http://hallman.org/bolger/iso540RD.jpg
>
> One question of Susanne, (if she has the time and inclination to
> answer): I see what looks curiously like a cutout for a propeller in
> the fin keel. Could that be?
>
Are the oval port-lites a standard chandlery item? EstherMae has two on each side of her cabin and they could stand replacement. My wife insists on keeping the ovals as it certainly lends a lot of character. Unfortunately any production ovals I have seen do not have the same style. The current port-lites on EstherMae are wood, (picture frames perhaps?) the screens and glass that goes in them are flat pieces that slide behind the port-line from the inside with pieces of pie shaped wood to hold then against the interior cabin side. Very seldom do I bother to put in the glass and even at that it almost never rains inside enough to matter, and that is here in south west Florida where we get our share of down-pours.
Bruce, as always I enjoy your rendering of any boat power, sail, or row. Have you had one run through a 3-d plotter?
~Caloosarat
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Sent:Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:57 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Which boat next? [1 Attachment]
[Attachment(s)from BruceHallman included below]
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:46 AM,Susanne@...
<philbolger@...> wrote:
>I was just refreshing my awareness of design 540RD, Chebacco Raised
>
>
> 'Raised Deck' for two feet longer cuddy, full-width headroom, reasonable cruising galley, etc.
>
Deck, and it is another PB&F gem. The writeup is in MAIB Vol.22
No.17. Essentially a cruising upgrade to the older Chebacco design.
Lots of thoughtful detailing, some highlights: 1) Slot top, (with hard
hatches) making the process of stepping the mast more sure. 2) More
headroom in the cabin (raised deck), with well thought out port-lites.
3) Ballasted centerboard, 100lbs of steel sandwiched in plywood. 4)
Mainmast moved forward to improve the helm balance problems of the
earlier Chebacco's 5) Serious built-in
tankage/storage/icebox/batteries-PVpanel(s)/ & toilet appropriate for
a cruiser.
As I typically do when contemplating boats, I was doodling the shape
in 3D. Here is a screengrab of the incomplete doodle.
http://hallman.org/bolger/iso540RD.jpg
One question of Susanne, (if she has the time and inclination to
answer): I see what looks curiously like a cutout for a propeller in
the fin keel. Could that be?
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 4:46 AM,Susanne@...
<philbolger@...> wrote:
Deck, and it is another PB&F gem. The writeup is in MAIB Vol.22
No.17. Essentially a cruising upgrade to the older Chebacco design.
Lots of thoughtful detailing, some highlights: 1) Slot top, (with hard
hatches) making the process of stepping the mast more sure. 2) More
headroom in the cabin (raised deck), with well thought out port-lites.
3) Ballasted centerboard, 100lbs of steel sandwiched in plywood. 4)
Mainmast moved forward to improve the helm balance problems of the
earlier Chebacco's 5) Serious built-in
tankage/storage/icebox/batteries-PVpanel(s)/ & toilet appropriate for
a cruiser.
As I typically do when contemplating boats, I was doodling the shape
in 3D. Here is a screengrab of the incomplete doodle.
http://hallman.org/bolger/iso540RD.jpg
One question of Susanne, (if she has the time and inclination to
answer): I see what looks curiously like a cutout for a propeller in
the fin keel. Could that be?
<philbolger@...> wrote:
>I was just refreshing my awareness of design 540RD, Chebacco Raised
>
>
> 'Raised Deck' for two feet longer cuddy, full-width headroom, reasonable cruising galley, etc.
>
Deck, and it is another PB&F gem. The writeup is in MAIB Vol.22
No.17. Essentially a cruising upgrade to the older Chebacco design.
Lots of thoughtful detailing, some highlights: 1) Slot top, (with hard
hatches) making the process of stepping the mast more sure. 2) More
headroom in the cabin (raised deck), with well thought out port-lites.
3) Ballasted centerboard, 100lbs of steel sandwiched in plywood. 4)
Mainmast moved forward to improve the helm balance problems of the
earlier Chebacco's 5) Serious built-in
tankage/storage/icebox/batteries-PVpanel(s)/ & toilet appropriate for
a cruiser.
As I typically do when contemplating boats, I was doodling the shape
in 3D. Here is a screengrab of the incomplete doodle.
http://hallman.org/bolger/iso540RD.jpg
One question of Susanne, (if she has the time and inclination to
answer): I see what looks curiously like a cutout for a propeller in
the fin keel. Could that be?
'Raised Deck' for two feet longer cuddy, full-width
headroom, reasonable cruising galley, etc.
----- Original Message -----From:Bill HowardSent:Thursday, October 06, 2011 7:32 AMSubject:Re: [bolger] Which boat next?Chebacco "RD"???
On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:01 AM,Susanne@...wrote:Or the CHEBACCO RD, particularly with a modest hard dodger...----- Original Message -----Sent:Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:26 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Which boat next?In keeping with the fundamental theme of this group, i.e. Bolger, I would look at Seabird '86. There is even a recent variant with junk rig.
V/R
Chris
On 10/4/2011 7:46 PM, Rod wrote:I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?
Chebacco "RD"???
On Oct 6, 2011, at 6:01 AM,Susanne@...wrote:
Or the CHEBACCO RD, particularly with a modest hard dodger...----- Original Message -----Sent:Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:26 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Which boat next?In keeping with the fundamental theme of this group, i.e. Bolger, I would look at Seabird '86. There is even a recent variant with junk rig.
V/R
Chris
On 10/4/2011 7:46 PM, Rod wrote:I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?
Or the CHEBACCO RD, particularly with a modest hard
dodger...
----- Original Message -----Sent:Tuesday, October 04, 2011 10:26 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Which boat next?In keeping with the fundamental theme of this group, i.e. Bolger, I would look at Seabird '86. There is even a recent variant with junk rig.
V/R
Chris
On 10/4/2011 7:46 PM, Rod wrote:I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?
Rex, Only dreaming at the moment, getting some ideas.
Rod
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Subject: Re: [bolger] Which boat next?
In keeping with the fundamental theme of this
group, i.e. Bolger, I would look at Seabird '86. There is even a
recent variant with junk rig.
V/R
Chris
On 10/4/2011 7:46 PM, Rod wrote:I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?
In keeping with the fundamental theme of this
group, i.e. Bolger, I would look at Seabird '86. There is even a
recent variant with junk rig.
V/R
Chris
V/R
Chris
On 10/4/2011 7:46 PM, Rod wrote:I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?
I'd look at some of Paul Fisher's designs. You can view them at Duckworks http://www.duckworksbbs.com/plans/sf/index.htm or Paul Fisher's site http://www.selway-fisher.com/
Here's the link to the 16-20 ft trailer sailors http://www.selway-fisher.com/PC1620.htm
and the 20+ http://www.selway-fisher.com/PCover20.htm
Take a look at his Galway 18. Just might be what you're looking for.
John Boy
You can trust me, I have a degree in science...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Rod" <rod_cahill@...> wrote:
Jim Michalak:
JEWELBOX, BEACHBOAT, 19' X 6', 800 POUNDS EMPTY
Here is a boat that is supposed to be self righting to a great degree without ballast! Jewelbox has the combination proven by Bolger's Birdwatcher of high sides with a thick bottom and low down crew weight to act as ballast. Karl James told me his boat has righted from having its windows totally submerged.... His Jewelbox has been all over the country, including the Mexican trip...
>Michalak Jewelbox ?
> I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?
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Jim Michalak:
JEWELBOX, BEACHBOAT, 19' X 6', 800 POUNDS EMPTY
Here is a boat that is supposed to be self righting to a great degree without ballast! Jewelbox has the combination proven by Bolger's Birdwatcher of high sides with a thick bottom and low down crew weight to act as ballast. Karl James told me his boat has righted from having its windows totally submerged.... His Jewelbox has been all over the country, including the Mexican trip...
I am nearly finished my Bolger Micro and and considering starting another project. I would like something with a bigger cabin but smaller cockpit. Nothing too big, about 20 foot or so. still capable of being towed on a single axle trailer. I like the look of the Chebacco but the cabin is too small. Something capable of coastal cruising and able to get back should things turn sour. Maybe a junk rigged boat. Any ideas?