Re: off-shore boat? > Seabird 86
Roger,
He has stated that on several occasions and gives several reasons. One
being that he has no off-shore experience himself (He's from an Illinois
prairie town). It depends on the skipper as much as the design and "If
you have to ask if a design is off-shore capable, the answer is no."
Some have made off-shore passages. (Cormorant toured the Bahamas comes
to mind.
A quote from the Picara description makes it clear as well I suggest.
"So Picara is in a lot of ways a Fatcat2 that has gone through the above
changes to make it self righting, that is to say if knocked over it will
right itself when the wind force is eased, with the crew staying on the
deck, shedding water like a duck and being ready to go again once the
crew feels up to it. (Even here the idea of "self righting" means
different things to different sailors. Howard Chapelle wrote somewhere
that a sharpie is selfrighting if it can return from 45 degrees of heel.
I'm quite certain that is not enough for most of us. Blue water sailors
try to self right from 140 degrees of heel. No, the wind won't blow you
over that far but a big wave can roll you that far. On my ballasted
boats, like Picara, I try to get the boat to self right from 90 degrees,
a compromise I suppose, but I don't design blue water boats.)"
I guess his limits are the ability to self-right from only 90 degrees
makes a hull less than off-shore capable?
Nels
He has stated that on several occasions and gives several reasons. One
being that he has no off-shore experience himself (He's from an Illinois
prairie town). It depends on the skipper as much as the design and "If
you have to ask if a design is off-shore capable, the answer is no."
Some have made off-shore passages. (Cormorant toured the Bahamas comes
to mind.
A quote from the Picara description makes it clear as well I suggest.
"So Picara is in a lot of ways a Fatcat2 that has gone through the above
changes to make it self righting, that is to say if knocked over it will
right itself when the wind force is eased, with the crew staying on the
deck, shedding water like a duck and being ready to go again once the
crew feels up to it. (Even here the idea of "self righting" means
different things to different sailors. Howard Chapelle wrote somewhere
that a sharpie is selfrighting if it can return from 45 degrees of heel.
I'm quite certain that is not enough for most of us. Blue water sailors
try to self right from 140 degrees of heel. No, the wind won't blow you
over that far but a big wave can roll you that far. On my ballasted
boats, like Picara, I try to get the boat to self right from 90 degrees,
a compromise I suppose, but I don't design blue water boats.)"
I guess his limits are the ability to self-right from only 90 degrees
makes a hull less than off-shore capable?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Roger Padvorac" <roger@...> wrote:
>
> Nels,
> That is a very interesting comment about Jim Michalak. I didn't
realize that is a major factor in his choices of boat designs that he
works on.
>
> How does Jim define an off-shore boat?
>
> If he hasn't explicitly described this, from observing the kinds of
boats he designs and how they handle in rough water, what are your
observations about the limits of seaworthiness that he works within?
>
> Sincerely,
> Roger
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: prairiedog2332
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:41 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Seabird 86
>
> ...
> But Jim makes himself clear that he does not design off-shore boats.
Picara might be close.
>
> Nels
>
Nels,
That is a very interesting comment about Jim
Michalak. I didn't realize that is a major factor in his choices of boat designs
that he works on.
How does Jim define an off-shore
boat?
If he hasn't explicitly described this, from
observing the kinds of boats he designs and how they handle in rough water, what
are your observations about the limits of seaworthiness that he works
within?
Sincerely,
Roger
----- Original Message -----
From: prairiedog2332
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 8:41 AM
Subject: [bolger] Re: Seabird 86
...
But Jim makes himself clear that he does not design off-shore boats. Picara might be close.
But Jim makes himself clear that he does not design off-shore boats. Picara might be close.
Nels