Re: Details on available Chebacco plans
I've owned a first version, which was the original cold molded one. It didn't have a slot for raising the mast. Instead if the mast collar was loosened, the hole through the partners was much bigger than needed. That gave just enough room to lean the mast back a few degrees when lifting and raising the mast. That was all that was needed for one person to get the mast down or up.
As far as I know the plans for this version were never available.
Charles
As far as I know the plans for this version were never available.
Charles
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everybody!
> I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
>
> #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
>
> #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
>
> #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
>
> #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
>
> Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
>
> 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
>
> Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
>
> Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
>
> Some questions:
> Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
>
> Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
>
> Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
>
> There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
>
> Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
>
> Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
>
> Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> Doug
>
Doug,
The #602 25' Lapstrake Chebacco is a separate plan set to the #540/#575/#540RD plan set. Susanne gave me a discount on buying the lot. As far as I know only one other person has attempted a #602 build and there were substantial deviations from the design, so my #602 is probably the first one to be built to the plans.
I used the method outlined in Oughtred's book on Clinker boatbuilding to line off the planks. Bolger didn't provide details of where the plank edges were to land. But, it didn't turn out to be as simple as a pencil and paper exercise. I kept shifting the plank edges back and forth till it looked right and even then I changed my mind a few times as I approached the sheer. Some of the frames got planed down and others got built up. The bow has ended up fuller (fatter) by about 2" because that is where the planks wanted to go.
You ask about the twist in the garboard - yes it is difficult but nothing that clamps and screws and patience couldn't fix. I used 5/8" planking material instead of the 1/2" specified so I made it harder for myself.
You also ask about glassing the lapstrake hull. Basically this is impossible for the whole hull without loosing the plank definition lines. I have glassed the keel, bottom and garboard plank only and have noticed how much extra fairing work I have created for myself by doing so. I would guess that I have added a week, 40 hours, of extra work for myself in filling and sanding. The bottom edge of the second plank is not as clean and neat as the other plank edges due to the uneven thickness of the fibreglass. It may prove to be worth while if I hit a rock sometime in the sailing future, but at this particular point in time (still preparing for paint) I think glass was a mistake.
Have you seen Ben Ho's "Three Rivers" site (I have found a bit of inspiration there):http://benho2.tripod.com/boatbuilding/boatbuilding.htm
I'll put up a current construction photo on my mate's site later today: sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
Andrew
The #602 25' Lapstrake Chebacco is a separate plan set to the #540/#575/#540RD plan set. Susanne gave me a discount on buying the lot. As far as I know only one other person has attempted a #602 build and there were substantial deviations from the design, so my #602 is probably the first one to be built to the plans.
I used the method outlined in Oughtred's book on Clinker boatbuilding to line off the planks. Bolger didn't provide details of where the plank edges were to land. But, it didn't turn out to be as simple as a pencil and paper exercise. I kept shifting the plank edges back and forth till it looked right and even then I changed my mind a few times as I approached the sheer. Some of the frames got planed down and others got built up. The bow has ended up fuller (fatter) by about 2" because that is where the planks wanted to go.
You ask about the twist in the garboard - yes it is difficult but nothing that clamps and screws and patience couldn't fix. I used 5/8" planking material instead of the 1/2" specified so I made it harder for myself.
You also ask about glassing the lapstrake hull. Basically this is impossible for the whole hull without loosing the plank definition lines. I have glassed the keel, bottom and garboard plank only and have noticed how much extra fairing work I have created for myself by doing so. I would guess that I have added a week, 40 hours, of extra work for myself in filling and sanding. The bottom edge of the second plank is not as clean and neat as the other plank edges due to the uneven thickness of the fibreglass. It may prove to be worth while if I hit a rock sometime in the sailing future, but at this particular point in time (still preparing for paint) I think glass was a mistake.
Have you seen Ben Ho's "Three Rivers" site (I have found a bit of inspiration there):http://benho2.tripod.com/boatbuilding/boatbuilding.htm
I'll put up a current construction photo on my mate's site later today: sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
Andrew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Again!
> Thanks so much for the responses from everyone! I feel like I know both Jamie and Andrew as I have been looking at the photos of your exploits and reading about your projects and messabouts for sooo long now!
> I really like the lines of Chebacco as originally designed.... and as I want to try something new, I would really like to give the lapstrake version a shot (I love the looks of my bobcat but two boats with similar ply construction would be too much for my lady!). I guess I would really like to see side photos of an RD version to see how her lines look in comparison to the original. Thanks for the insights on sleeping room, Jamie. It sounds like my wife and I would fit OK... do you sleep on the floor or is there room for floorboards with storage under? My thought is my wife won't be too thrilled to move gear out of cabin if she is freezing. I will do the boom tent to be sure.
> As to the mast raising, it does seem a little tough on the bobcat (apx 13' long) but the biggest problem is with all the lines. I am still trying various methods to keep them untangled for quicker launching of the boat. A tabernacle would seem to solve this on a Chebacco and make a boom tent all the more easy. It sounds like your mast is also in the original position and not scooted forward a few inches... is that so Jamie?
> Food for thought for the cockpit sole....8 to 9" seems like a lot.
> Also any recommendations on very good (warm) gear for a wet Pacific Northwest?
> Andrew, did your plans include patterns for the lapstrake or details on the molds to assist? Or did you use traditional methods and calculate your own measurements? And that garboard twist.... pretty tough or not so bad in lapstrake?
> I like what you had included in your plans Andrew. That would seem to cover it for me. I think the 25' plans are separate. Have you had a chance to sail/spend time in a 25' Chebacco? Just wondering on the pros and cons....
> I am not so sure on the alternative building method. It looks a bit unsteady and I can't tell you how many times I have fallen on my boats when building! Of course this is a monster and not a little 10 footer! Maybe harder to roll over too. I like to paint the critter upside down. I'll have to re-read the details over again 'cause it would save time it seems.
> Good luck Bill! I think I just need to buy the plans that cover both.... and the 25' lapstrake and make some models also... very tough to think it all thru when the versions I am considering are so similar yet significant differences could arise.
> One more question - does anyone glass the outside of the lapstrake? I know the bottom is glassed by some.... but what about the rest of the lapstrakes?
>
> I love the Chebacco website!
> Doug
>
It occurred to me that I might be giving bad advice below. I finished by implying that a combination of layers under good rain gear is better than a Mustang cruiser suit. I should add two things, first that I also wear my pdf (vest style) under the rain jacket, and second, that if I ever find myself in the water, I hope I'm wearing the Mustang. These suits are not survival suits but they will extend survival time significantly as well as provide flotation.
I guess the trick is knowing ahead of time when when it's going to blow up and get scary, but then I'd stay by the fire anyway.
I guess the trick is knowing ahead of time when when it's going to blow up and get scary, but then I'd stay by the fire anyway.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> What to wear is an individual choice, I have a couple of Mustang cruiser suits on board, but some years ago I bought a good (Gil) breathable jacket and liked it so much in the January wind and rain that I went back and bought the matching pants. However, any rainsuit will eventually get condensation and drips inside, so quick-drying is good, regardless of type. Underneath I usually wear my normal clothes and maybe a sweater, unless I'm expecting to be really cold then I put on a set of fleece underwear plus another layer or two. Gloves, warm boots and hat/hood complete the picture. I don't like hoods because they restrict my vision but the hood on my rain jacket keeps the warmth inside so I put up with it. I'm rambling on a bit here, but one more thing - I've crossed the strait of Juan de Fuca twice (motoring, I have to admit) at night, in September. The first time I wore a Mustang suit and the second time I wore fleece and the rain suit and found that was warmer (both times I had another layer as well).
Only my charming personality.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
>
> Jamie,
>
> Do you carry any personal protection against wild animals or pirates?
>
> (Other than the bagpipes:)
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > Glad you like the articles all - at the risk of blowing my own horn,
> here's one you may not have seen,
>http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Boatjamie/jamiestory.htmit's on a
> not-very-active site. Maybe if you wash up here on the west coast you
> can join us for a rendezvous or two. Where do you live?
> >
>
Hold on...I insist on bagpipes always being considered, maybe even mandatory.
Scot McPherson
McPherson Family Farms
Le Claire, IA USA
Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 15, 2011, at 5:25 PM, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
Jamie,
Do you carry any personal protection against wild animals or pirates?
(Other than the bagpipes:)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> Glad you like the articles all - at the risk of blowing my own horn,
here's one you may not have seen,
http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Boatjamie/jamiestory.htmit's on a
not-very-active site. Maybe if you wash up here on the west coast you
can join us for a rendezvous or two. Where do you live?
>
Jamie,
Do you carry any personal protection against wild animals or pirates?
(Other than the bagpipes:)
Nels
Do you carry any personal protection against wild animals or pirates?
(Other than the bagpipes:)
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Doug,
>
> Glad you like the articles all - at the risk of blowing my own horn,
here's one you may not have seen,
http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Boatjamie/jamiestory.htmit's on a
not-very-active site. Maybe if you wash up here on the west coast you
can join us for a rendezvous or two. Where do you live?
>
Hi Doug,
Glad you like the articles all - at the risk of blowing my own horn, here's one you may not have seen,http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Boatjamie/jamiestory.htmit's on a not-very-active site. Maybe if you wash up here on the west coast you can join us for a rendezvous or two. Where do you live?
I can understand wanting to try something new, I sailed in a Bobcat and it was very like the Chebacco. (The owner went on to build a sheet plywood Chebacco and so far is pretty happy with it.) I've seen one lapstrake Chebacco up close, haven't sailed in one.
Storage in the cabin when two are sleeping is limited. I have netting hammocks slung under the side decks for small stuff, these hammocks are very handy. There is also storage under the cockpit seats which is reached from the cabin, however I find it handier to put the bulkier stuff (galley box, food box, clothes bag) outside under the boom tent or wrapped in a tarp if the tent is not up. You will have enough room inside for a change of clothes and personal stuff so freezing should not be necessary.
There are floorboards in both cabin and cockpit, I've kept food under the cabin floorboards occasionally as it keeps cooler there. I keep an eight pound Danforth and a twenty-five pound take-apart fisherman anchor under the cockpit floorboards, along with their rodes. Note that there is only around 4" depth to play with down there.
The mast slot on the plans takes all the effort out of raising the mast. I leave the halyards on the mast (dead-ended at the top) and the sail on the gaff and boom, storing the whole lot, with mizzen mast and sail, in the cabin. The mainmast sticks out maybe a foot past the motor. I've found this convenient enough, but others (Randy Wheating, for example) use a tabernacle and leave everything attached. Randy also has standing rigging but a tabernacle can be designed for a free standing mast, I believe.
Yes, my mast is in the original, as-designed, position. I haven't been bothered by excessive weather helm - I cut the mizzen dead flat and I adjust it whenever I adjust the main. It's easy to forget about the mizzen, especially when you're not accustomed to it, and it has a big effect on the helm.
What to wear is an individual choice, I have a couple of Mustang cruiser suits on board, but some years ago I bought a good (Gil) breathable jacket and liked it so much in the January wind and rain that I went back and bought the matching pants. However, any rainsuit will eventually get condensation and drips inside, so quick-drying is good, regardless of type. Underneath I usually wear my normal clothes and maybe a sweater, unless I'm expecting to be really cold then I put on a set of fleece underwear plus another layer or two. Gloves, warm boots and hat/hood complete the picture. I don't like hoods because they restrict my vision but the hood on my rain jacket keeps the warmth inside so I put up with it. I'm rambling on a bit here, but one more thing - I've crossed the strait of Juan de Fuca twice (motoring, I have to admit) at night, in September. The first time I wore a Mustang suit and the second time I wore fleece and the rain suit and found that was warmer (both times I had another layer as well).
I have to admit that I've been reasonably lucky with weather, and haven't been out in the rain for days on end. However, if you're unlucky there are solutions. Once my wife, son and I treated ourselves to a bed and breakfast after some dull weather in the Broken Group Islands. Made the crew very happy!
Cheers,
jamie
Glad you like the articles all - at the risk of blowing my own horn, here's one you may not have seen,http://www.woodenboat.net.nz/Boats/Boatjamie/jamiestory.htmit's on a not-very-active site. Maybe if you wash up here on the west coast you can join us for a rendezvous or two. Where do you live?
I can understand wanting to try something new, I sailed in a Bobcat and it was very like the Chebacco. (The owner went on to build a sheet plywood Chebacco and so far is pretty happy with it.) I've seen one lapstrake Chebacco up close, haven't sailed in one.
Storage in the cabin when two are sleeping is limited. I have netting hammocks slung under the side decks for small stuff, these hammocks are very handy. There is also storage under the cockpit seats which is reached from the cabin, however I find it handier to put the bulkier stuff (galley box, food box, clothes bag) outside under the boom tent or wrapped in a tarp if the tent is not up. You will have enough room inside for a change of clothes and personal stuff so freezing should not be necessary.
There are floorboards in both cabin and cockpit, I've kept food under the cabin floorboards occasionally as it keeps cooler there. I keep an eight pound Danforth and a twenty-five pound take-apart fisherman anchor under the cockpit floorboards, along with their rodes. Note that there is only around 4" depth to play with down there.
The mast slot on the plans takes all the effort out of raising the mast. I leave the halyards on the mast (dead-ended at the top) and the sail on the gaff and boom, storing the whole lot, with mizzen mast and sail, in the cabin. The mainmast sticks out maybe a foot past the motor. I've found this convenient enough, but others (Randy Wheating, for example) use a tabernacle and leave everything attached. Randy also has standing rigging but a tabernacle can be designed for a free standing mast, I believe.
Yes, my mast is in the original, as-designed, position. I haven't been bothered by excessive weather helm - I cut the mizzen dead flat and I adjust it whenever I adjust the main. It's easy to forget about the mizzen, especially when you're not accustomed to it, and it has a big effect on the helm.
What to wear is an individual choice, I have a couple of Mustang cruiser suits on board, but some years ago I bought a good (Gil) breathable jacket and liked it so much in the January wind and rain that I went back and bought the matching pants. However, any rainsuit will eventually get condensation and drips inside, so quick-drying is good, regardless of type. Underneath I usually wear my normal clothes and maybe a sweater, unless I'm expecting to be really cold then I put on a set of fleece underwear plus another layer or two. Gloves, warm boots and hat/hood complete the picture. I don't like hoods because they restrict my vision but the hood on my rain jacket keeps the warmth inside so I put up with it. I'm rambling on a bit here, but one more thing - I've crossed the strait of Juan de Fuca twice (motoring, I have to admit) at night, in September. The first time I wore a Mustang suit and the second time I wore fleece and the rain suit and found that was warmer (both times I had another layer as well).
I have to admit that I've been reasonably lucky with weather, and haven't been out in the rain for days on end. However, if you're unlucky there are solutions. Once my wife, son and I treated ourselves to a bed and breakfast after some dull weather in the Broken Group Islands. Made the crew very happy!
Cheers,
jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey Again!
> Thanks so much for the responses from everyone! I feel like I know both Jamie and Andrew as I have been looking at the photos of your exploits and reading about your projects and messabouts for sooo long now!
> I really like the lines of Chebacco as originally designed.... and as I want to try something new, I would really like to give the lapstrake version a shot (I love the looks of my bobcat but two boats with similar ply construction would be too much for my lady!). I guess I would really like to see side photos of an RD version to see how her lines look in comparison to the original. Thanks for the insights on sleeping room, Jamie. It sounds like my wife and I would fit OK... do you sleep on the floor or is there room for floorboards with storage under? My thought is my wife won't be too thrilled to move gear out of cabin if she is freezing. I will do the boom tent to be sure.
> As to the mast raising, it does seem a little tough on the bobcat (apx 13' long) but the biggest problem is with all the lines. I am still trying various methods to keep them untangled for quicker launching of the boat. A tabernacle would seem to solve this on a Chebacco and make a boom tent all the more easy. It sounds like your mast is also in the original position and not scooted forward a few inches... is that so Jamie?
> Food for thought for the cockpit sole....8 to 9" seems like a lot.
> Also any recommendations on very good (warm) gear for a wet Pacific Northwest?
> Andrew, did your plans include patterns for the lapstrake or details on the molds to assist? Or did you use traditional methods and calculate your own measurements? And that garboard twist.... pretty tough or not so bad in lapstrake?
> I like what you had included in your plans Andrew. That would seem to cover it for me. I think the 25' plans are separate. Have you had a chance to sail/spend time in a 25' Chebacco? Just wondering on the pros and cons....
> I am not so sure on the alternative building method. It looks a bit unsteady and I can't tell you how many times I have fallen on my boats when building! Of course this is a monster and not a little 10 footer! Maybe harder to roll over too. I like to paint the critter upside down. I'll have to re-read the details over again 'cause it would save time it seems.
> Good luck Bill! I think I just need to buy the plans that cover both.... and the 25' lapstrake and make some models also... very tough to think it all thru when the versions I am considering are so similar yet significant differences could arise.
> One more question - does anyone glass the outside of the lapstrake? I know the bottom is glassed by some.... but what about the rest of the lapstrakes?
>
> I love the Chebacco website!
> Doug
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > Doug,
> >
> > you will find information about the cruiser version of the Chebacco, drawn by PB&F 10/97 for Richard Spelling on the Chebacco.com site under "old articles/Chebacco News #18". Richard's boat "Shroedinger" is the current photo on the home page and he has some photos in the latest newsletter (they are high res if you double click on them).
> >
> > This design is different to the motorsailer/glasshouse version which you will find some details and photos from Bob Cushing under "Old Articles/Chebacco News #17"
> >
> > I don't know of anyone who has built the Chebacco RD in sheet ply as per the revised building method developed by PB&F. I would be interested to hear how it went. Basically the idea is to build a very stiff keel/centreboard case/stem assembly flat on the floor then lift it up so that it is resting on the stem top and a trestle at the back then to hang bulkheads and panels from the backbone. No building frame required. It sounds intriguing when you read the detailed method and if it works it should be quite efficient.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Andrew, I could be wrong, but I believe the background on the Chebacco site is Richard Spellings' own design of a "navigator" type house on a standard hull.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Jamie
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a family of designs.
> > > >
> > > > Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540 but if you buy the plans from Susanne she will give you the plans for all of the other 20' versions as well as the building key for the #540RD. (actually she didn't send me plans for the glasshouse version, just the sheet ply, cruiser, lapstrake and RD I think).
> > > >
> > > > The RD is the most advance evolution of the family, with balanced rudder, draining cockpit and rethought out assembly sequence/keel system. Although Ben Ho's RD was lapstrake construction the plans and the smart assembly system are for sheet construction. Susanne advised me to take ideas from the different family members and meld them into my 25' build and I have done so. I think the cost for all the 18 sheets of 20' plans was $300, much more than Payson's price but there is much more information too.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Andrew
> > > >
> > > > sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
> > > >
> > > > P.S. the cruiser is not the #605 glasshouse model. #605 has no centreboard, a ballasted keel and a relatively tall cabin. The cruiser is the one shown on the background of the Chebacco.com site.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey everybody!
> > > > > I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> > > > > I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> > > > > Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
> > > > >
> > > > > #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
> > > > >
> > > > > #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
> > > > >
> > > > > #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
> > > > >
> > > > > #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
> > > > >
> > > > > 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
> > > > >
> > > > > Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
> > > > >
> > > > > Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
> > > > >
> > > > > Some questions:
> > > > > Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
> > > > >
> > > > > Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
> > > > >
> > > > > There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
> > > > >
> > > > > Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> > > > > Doug
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
FWIW, I just compared the plans to the book, and the book does contain the complete plans. However, I recommend buying the plans, I see Payson's site has them for only $60,I found it very helpful to use a scale rule to take off some dimensions. That would be hard to do from the reduced drawings and I think the cost would be recovered quickly in easier working and fewer mistakes.
The drawings in the book appear to be identical to those I have, which are labelled #540. I bought mine from PCB back around 1991.
Jamie
The drawings in the book appear to be identical to those I have, which are labelled #540. I bought mine from PCB back around 1991.
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone interested in the Payson plans should acquire his final book. Has
> the scaled down plans and offsets sheet for the plywood version, as
> well as materials and build instructions. Even gives details and
> dimensions for the Leg O' Mutton main with 26' mast.
>
> The plan set is referred to as #589 - as they were updated 09/89?
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a
> family of designs.
> >
> > Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540
>
Anyone interested in the Payson plans should acquire his final book. Has
the scaled down plans and offsets sheet for the plywood version, as
well as materials and build instructions. Even gives details and
dimensions for the Leg O' Mutton main with 26' mast.
The plan set is referred to as #589 - as they were updated 09/89?
Nels
the scaled down plans and offsets sheet for the plywood version, as
well as materials and build instructions. Even gives details and
dimensions for the Leg O' Mutton main with 26' mast.
The plan set is referred to as #589 - as they were updated 09/89?
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a
family of designs.
>
> Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540
Hey Again!
Thanks so much for the responses from everyone! I feel like I know both Jamie and Andrew as I have been looking at the photos of your exploits and reading about your projects and messabouts for sooo long now!
I really like the lines of Chebacco as originally designed.... and as I want to try something new, I would really like to give the lapstrake version a shot (I love the looks of my bobcat but two boats with similar ply construction would be too much for my lady!). I guess I would really like to see side photos of an RD version to see how her lines look in comparison to the original. Thanks for the insights on sleeping room, Jamie. It sounds like my wife and I would fit OK... do you sleep on the floor or is there room for floorboards with storage under? My thought is my wife won't be too thrilled to move gear out of cabin if she is freezing. I will do the boom tent to be sure.
As to the mast raising, it does seem a little tough on the bobcat (apx 13' long) but the biggest problem is with all the lines. I am still trying various methods to keep them untangled for quicker launching of the boat. A tabernacle would seem to solve this on a Chebacco and make a boom tent all the more easy. It sounds like your mast is also in the original position and not scooted forward a few inches... is that so Jamie?
Food for thought for the cockpit sole....8 to 9" seems like a lot.
Also any recommendations on very good (warm) gear for a wet Pacific Northwest?
Andrew, did your plans include patterns for the lapstrake or details on the molds to assist? Or did you use traditional methods and calculate your own measurements? And that garboard twist.... pretty tough or not so bad in lapstrake?
I like what you had included in your plans Andrew. That would seem to cover it for me. I think the 25' plans are separate. Have you had a chance to sail/spend time in a 25' Chebacco? Just wondering on the pros and cons....
I am not so sure on the alternative building method. It looks a bit unsteady and I can't tell you how many times I have fallen on my boats when building! Of course this is a monster and not a little 10 footer! Maybe harder to roll over too. I like to paint the critter upside down. I'll have to re-read the details over again 'cause it would save time it seems.
Good luck Bill! I think I just need to buy the plans that cover both.... and the 25' lapstrake and make some models also... very tough to think it all thru when the versions I am considering are so similar yet significant differences could arise.
One more question - does anyone glass the outside of the lapstrake? I know the bottom is glassed by some.... but what about the rest of the lapstrakes?
I love the Chebacco website!
Doug
Thanks so much for the responses from everyone! I feel like I know both Jamie and Andrew as I have been looking at the photos of your exploits and reading about your projects and messabouts for sooo long now!
I really like the lines of Chebacco as originally designed.... and as I want to try something new, I would really like to give the lapstrake version a shot (I love the looks of my bobcat but two boats with similar ply construction would be too much for my lady!). I guess I would really like to see side photos of an RD version to see how her lines look in comparison to the original. Thanks for the insights on sleeping room, Jamie. It sounds like my wife and I would fit OK... do you sleep on the floor or is there room for floorboards with storage under? My thought is my wife won't be too thrilled to move gear out of cabin if she is freezing. I will do the boom tent to be sure.
As to the mast raising, it does seem a little tough on the bobcat (apx 13' long) but the biggest problem is with all the lines. I am still trying various methods to keep them untangled for quicker launching of the boat. A tabernacle would seem to solve this on a Chebacco and make a boom tent all the more easy. It sounds like your mast is also in the original position and not scooted forward a few inches... is that so Jamie?
Food for thought for the cockpit sole....8 to 9" seems like a lot.
Also any recommendations on very good (warm) gear for a wet Pacific Northwest?
Andrew, did your plans include patterns for the lapstrake or details on the molds to assist? Or did you use traditional methods and calculate your own measurements? And that garboard twist.... pretty tough or not so bad in lapstrake?
I like what you had included in your plans Andrew. That would seem to cover it for me. I think the 25' plans are separate. Have you had a chance to sail/spend time in a 25' Chebacco? Just wondering on the pros and cons....
I am not so sure on the alternative building method. It looks a bit unsteady and I can't tell you how many times I have fallen on my boats when building! Of course this is a monster and not a little 10 footer! Maybe harder to roll over too. I like to paint the critter upside down. I'll have to re-read the details over again 'cause it would save time it seems.
Good luck Bill! I think I just need to buy the plans that cover both.... and the 25' lapstrake and make some models also... very tough to think it all thru when the versions I am considering are so similar yet significant differences could arise.
One more question - does anyone glass the outside of the lapstrake? I know the bottom is glassed by some.... but what about the rest of the lapstrakes?
I love the Chebacco website!
Doug
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
> you will find information about the cruiser version of the Chebacco, drawn by PB&F 10/97 for Richard Spelling on the Chebacco.com site under "old articles/Chebacco News #18". Richard's boat "Shroedinger" is the current photo on the home page and he has some photos in the latest newsletter (they are high res if you double click on them).
>
> This design is different to the motorsailer/glasshouse version which you will find some details and photos from Bob Cushing under "Old Articles/Chebacco News #17"
>
> I don't know of anyone who has built the Chebacco RD in sheet ply as per the revised building method developed by PB&F. I would be interested to hear how it went. Basically the idea is to build a very stiff keel/centreboard case/stem assembly flat on the floor then lift it up so that it is resting on the stem top and a trestle at the back then to hang bulkheads and panels from the backbone. No building frame required. It sounds intriguing when you read the detailed method and if it works it should be quite efficient.
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew, I could be wrong, but I believe the background on the Chebacco site is Richard Spellings' own design of a "navigator" type house on a standard hull.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> > >
> > > You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a family of designs.
> > >
> > > Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540 but if you buy the plans from Susanne she will give you the plans for all of the other 20' versions as well as the building key for the #540RD. (actually she didn't send me plans for the glasshouse version, just the sheet ply, cruiser, lapstrake and RD I think).
> > >
> > > The RD is the most advance evolution of the family, with balanced rudder, draining cockpit and rethought out assembly sequence/keel system. Although Ben Ho's RD was lapstrake construction the plans and the smart assembly system are for sheet construction. Susanne advised me to take ideas from the different family members and meld them into my 25' build and I have done so. I think the cost for all the 18 sheets of 20' plans was $300, much more than Payson's price but there is much more information too.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
> > >
> > > P.S. the cruiser is not the #605 glasshouse model. #605 has no centreboard, a ballasted keel and a relatively tall cabin. The cruiser is the one shown on the background of the Chebacco.com site.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey everybody!
> > > > I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> > > > I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> > > > Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
> > > >
> > > > #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
> > > >
> > > > #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
> > > >
> > > > #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
> > > >
> > > > #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
> > > >
> > > > Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
> > > >
> > > > 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
> > > >
> > > > Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
> > > >
> > > > Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
> > > >
> > > > Some questions:
> > > > Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
> > > >
> > > > Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
> > > >
> > > > Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
> > > >
> > > > There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
> > > >
> > > > Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Doug,
you will find information about the cruiser version of the Chebacco, drawn by PB&F 10/97 for Richard Spelling on the Chebacco.com site under "old articles/Chebacco News #18". Richard's boat "Shroedinger" is the current photo on the home page and he has some photos in the latest newsletter (they are high res if you double click on them).
This design is different to the motorsailer/glasshouse version which you will find some details and photos from Bob Cushing under "Old Articles/Chebacco News #17"
I don't know of anyone who has built the Chebacco RD in sheet ply as per the revised building method developed by PB&F. I would be interested to hear how it went. Basically the idea is to build a very stiff keel/centreboard case/stem assembly flat on the floor then lift it up so that it is resting on the stem top and a trestle at the back then to hang bulkheads and panels from the backbone. No building frame required. It sounds intriguing when you read the detailed method and if it works it should be quite efficient.
Andrew
you will find information about the cruiser version of the Chebacco, drawn by PB&F 10/97 for Richard Spelling on the Chebacco.com site under "old articles/Chebacco News #18". Richard's boat "Shroedinger" is the current photo on the home page and he has some photos in the latest newsletter (they are high res if you double click on them).
This design is different to the motorsailer/glasshouse version which you will find some details and photos from Bob Cushing under "Old Articles/Chebacco News #17"
I don't know of anyone who has built the Chebacco RD in sheet ply as per the revised building method developed by PB&F. I would be interested to hear how it went. Basically the idea is to build a very stiff keel/centreboard case/stem assembly flat on the floor then lift it up so that it is resting on the stem top and a trestle at the back then to hang bulkheads and panels from the backbone. No building frame required. It sounds intriguing when you read the detailed method and if it works it should be quite efficient.
Andrew
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew, I could be wrong, but I believe the background on the Chebacco site is Richard Spellings' own design of a "navigator" type house on a standard hull.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a family of designs.
> >
> > Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540 but if you buy the plans from Susanne she will give you the plans for all of the other 20' versions as well as the building key for the #540RD. (actually she didn't send me plans for the glasshouse version, just the sheet ply, cruiser, lapstrake and RD I think).
> >
> > The RD is the most advance evolution of the family, with balanced rudder, draining cockpit and rethought out assembly sequence/keel system. Although Ben Ho's RD was lapstrake construction the plans and the smart assembly system are for sheet construction. Susanne advised me to take ideas from the different family members and meld them into my 25' build and I have done so. I think the cost for all the 18 sheets of 20' plans was $300, much more than Payson's price but there is much more information too.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
> >
> > P.S. the cruiser is not the #605 glasshouse model. #605 has no centreboard, a ballasted keel and a relatively tall cabin. The cruiser is the one shown on the background of the Chebacco.com site.
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hey everybody!
> > > I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> > > I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> > > Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
> > >
> > > #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
> > >
> > > #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
> > >
> > > #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
> > >
> > > #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
> > >
> > > Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
> > >
> > > 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
> > >
> > > Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
> > >
> > > Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
> > >
> > > Some questions:
> > > Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
> > >
> > > Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
> > >
> > > Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
> > >
> > > There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
> > >
> > > Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
> > >
> > > Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
> > >
> > > Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> > > Doug
> > >
> >
>
I've recently purchased the packet of Chebacco plans from Suzanne. I paid $250 for 18 pages of plans. My intent is to build the lapstrake version, incorporating at least some of the features from the RD version. This is intended as a retirement project, with retirement still 3 years away (if the economy doesn't go completely belly up). In the meantime, I plan to build a scale model and begin to collect supplies and materials. I am also making improvements to my workshop in anticipation of this project.
I look forward to hearing your decision as to which version to build
Bill
I look forward to hearing your decision as to which version to build
Bill
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everybody!
> I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
>
> #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
>
> #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
>
> #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
>
> #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
>
> Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
>
> 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
>
> Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
>
> Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
>
> Some questions:
> Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
>
> Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
>
> Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
>
> There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
>
> Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
>
> Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
>
> Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> Doug
>
Andrew, I could be wrong, but I believe the background on the Chebacco site is Richard Spellings' own design of a "navigator" type house on a standard hull.
Cheers,
Jamie
Cheers,
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a family of designs.
>
> Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540 but if you buy the plans from Susanne she will give you the plans for all of the other 20' versions as well as the building key for the #540RD. (actually she didn't send me plans for the glasshouse version, just the sheet ply, cruiser, lapstrake and RD I think).
>
> The RD is the most advance evolution of the family, with balanced rudder, draining cockpit and rethought out assembly sequence/keel system. Although Ben Ho's RD was lapstrake construction the plans and the smart assembly system are for sheet construction. Susanne advised me to take ideas from the different family members and meld them into my 25' build and I have done so. I think the cost for all the 18 sheets of 20' plans was $300, much more than Payson's price but there is much more information too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
> sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
>
> P.S. the cruiser is not the #605 glasshouse model. #605 has no centreboard, a ballasted keel and a relatively tall cabin. The cruiser is the one shown on the background of the Chebacco.com site.
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@> wrote:
> >
> > Hey everybody!
> > I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> > I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> > Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
> >
> > #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
> >
> > #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
> >
> > #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
> >
> > #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
> >
> > Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
> >
> > 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
> >
> > Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
> >
> > Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
> >
> > Some questions:
> > Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
> >
> > Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
> >
> > Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
> >
> > There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
> >
> > Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
> >
> > Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
> >
> > Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> > Doug
> >
>
You have worked out that Chebacco is not a single thing, it is a family of designs.
Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540 but if you buy the plans from Susanne she will give you the plans for all of the other 20' versions as well as the building key for the #540RD. (actually she didn't send me plans for the glasshouse version, just the sheet ply, cruiser, lapstrake and RD I think).
The RD is the most advance evolution of the family, with balanced rudder, draining cockpit and rethought out assembly sequence/keel system. Although Ben Ho's RD was lapstrake construction the plans and the smart assembly system are for sheet construction. Susanne advised me to take ideas from the different family members and meld them into my 25' build and I have done so. I think the cost for all the 18 sheets of 20' plans was $300, much more than Payson's price but there is much more information too.
Regards,
Andrew
sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
P.S. the cruiser is not the #605 glasshouse model. #605 has no centreboard, a ballasted keel and a relatively tall cabin. The cruiser is the one shown on the background of the Chebacco.com site.
Payson has the plans for the sheet ply #540 but if you buy the plans from Susanne she will give you the plans for all of the other 20' versions as well as the building key for the #540RD. (actually she didn't send me plans for the glasshouse version, just the sheet ply, cruiser, lapstrake and RD I think).
The RD is the most advance evolution of the family, with balanced rudder, draining cockpit and rethought out assembly sequence/keel system. Although Ben Ho's RD was lapstrake construction the plans and the smart assembly system are for sheet construction. Susanne advised me to take ideas from the different family members and meld them into my 25' build and I have done so. I think the cost for all the 18 sheets of 20' plans was $300, much more than Payson's price but there is much more information too.
Regards,
Andrew
sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
P.S. the cruiser is not the #605 glasshouse model. #605 has no centreboard, a ballasted keel and a relatively tall cabin. The cruiser is the one shown on the background of the Chebacco.com site.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Hey everybody!
> I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
> I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
> Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
>
> #540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
>
> #605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
>
> #540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
>
> #540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
>
> Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
>
> 20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
>
> Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
>
> Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
>
> Some questions:
> Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
>
> Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
>
> Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
>
> There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
>
> Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
>
> Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
>
> Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> Doug
>
Dennis who has taken over dynamites operation ia pretty helpful. Most plans sell for $45 give or take depending on which plans.
Scot McPherson
McPherson Family Farms
Le Claire, IA USA
Sent from my iPhoneOn Dec 11, 2011, at 3:59 PM, "Jamie" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
I have been sailing and cruising the sheet plywood version (540) for almost 12 years. I have attached a couple of pics in "Files" in the folder "Chebacco Wayward Lass" so you can be sure which version it is.
I am 6' and 240 lbs, my dad was about the same. We were able to sleep comfortably in the cabin for a week at a time, at 6'2" you will be okay too. A boom tent is of considerable value in wet weather.
I can't tell you anything about other versions, but I've been entirely satisfied with mine, built as exactly to plan as I could. You mentioned raising the mast, there is a mast slot that makes it an easy, single-handed job. The plans don't give much detail on making it waterproof but if you want advice on that or any modifications there's the Chebacco website or you can contact me - I can also put you in touch with a couple other 540 owners. One of these made his cockpit self-draining as he keeps it in the water most of the year. The cockpit sole had to be raised 8 or 9 inches so sitting in the cockpit is more of a sprawl than otherwise.
I'm pretty sure Payson's site sells the 540 plans. Since both he and PCB are gone there's no designer/builder help but the Chebacco community is pretty helpful - if you ask two or three builders the same question you'll get a good picture of what to do.
Feel free to ask more questions.
Cheers,
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Some questions:
> Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
>
> Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
>
> Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
>
> There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
>
> Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
>
> Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
>
> Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> Doug
>
I have been sailing and cruising the sheet plywood version (540) for almost 12 years. I have attached a couple of pics in "Files" in the folder "Chebacco Wayward Lass" so you can be sure which version it is.
I am 6' and 240 lbs, my dad was about the same. We were able to sleep comfortably in the cabin for a week at a time, at 6'2" you will be okay too. A boom tent is of considerable value in wet weather.
I can't tell you anything about other versions, but I've been entirely satisfied with mine, built as exactly to plan as I could. You mentioned raising the mast, there is a mast slot that makes it an easy, single-handed job. The plans don't give much detail on making it waterproof but if you want advice on that or any modifications there's the Chebacco website or you can contact me - I can also put you in touch with a couple other 540 owners. One of these made his cockpit self-draining as he keeps it in the water most of the year. The cockpit sole had to be raised 8 or 9 inches so sitting in the cockpit is more of a sprawl than otherwise.
I'm pretty sure Payson's site sells the 540 plans. Since both he and PCB are gone there's no designer/builder help but the Chebacco community is pretty helpful - if you ask two or three builders the same question you'll get a good picture of what to do.
Feel free to ask more questions.
Cheers,
Jamie
I am 6' and 240 lbs, my dad was about the same. We were able to sleep comfortably in the cabin for a week at a time, at 6'2" you will be okay too. A boom tent is of considerable value in wet weather.
I can't tell you anything about other versions, but I've been entirely satisfied with mine, built as exactly to plan as I could. You mentioned raising the mast, there is a mast slot that makes it an easy, single-handed job. The plans don't give much detail on making it waterproof but if you want advice on that or any modifications there's the Chebacco website or you can contact me - I can also put you in touch with a couple other 540 owners. One of these made his cockpit self-draining as he keeps it in the water most of the year. The cockpit sole had to be raised 8 or 9 inches so sitting in the cockpit is more of a sprawl than otherwise.
I'm pretty sure Payson's site sells the 540 plans. Since both he and PCB are gone there's no designer/builder help but the Chebacco community is pretty helpful - if you ask two or three builders the same question you'll get a good picture of what to do.
Feel free to ask more questions.
Cheers,
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Sisuuk" <sisuuk@...> wrote:
>
> Some questions:
> Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
>
> Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
>
> Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
>
> There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
>
> Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
>
> Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
>
> Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
> Doug
>
Hey everybody!
I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
#540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
#605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
#540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
#540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
Some questions:
Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
Doug
I have been reading this forum since Feb 2010 when I launched my first Bolger boat, a bobcat. She was build a bit heavy (but appropriate for her intended use) and sails great! I have not a single complaint and have received tons of compliments!
I have been thinking ever since of the next one (of course!) and I am seriously considering a Chebacco... but which one? I have done a bunch of research but was hoping that some here could offer clarifications on what is out there.
Thanks everybody! Here are my notes so far..... corrections and additions are definitely welcome!
#540 - The original Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1') First was cold molded, then options for plywood and lapstrake (19' 6" x 7' 9" x 1') were added. (Are all these versions included with plans # 540?); mast slid into cabin top slot; cockpit is apx. 6' x 7'.... Lapstrake is apx. 2' longer?; unballasted but with water ballast in keel.
#605 - Glasshouse Chebacco or Motorsailer Chebacco (19'8" x 7'5" x 1'6"); large glass house added; deeper centerboard and with 250 lbs ballast; cockpit apx. 4' long;
#540 ? - Nicknamed the Doghouse Chebacco or possibly the Light Cruiser (could this be the same as #605 above?); above deck tabernacle; large glass enclosed area; is this version included with the original plans?
#540 RD Raised Deck Chebacco (dimensions unknown); with mast moved forward to address weather helm comments; no above deck house structure; cabin was lengthened 2' (I think); modified in some way for walk up mast raising.
Chebacco 25 or stretched lapstrake 25' Chebacco
20' Cruising Chebacco or Light Cruiser mentioned in Messing about in Boats, Vol. 15, Dec 15, 1997
Chebacco Trawler - I don't know what became of this...
Beach plan Chebacco - this was mentioned in several forums and in Chebacco newsletters
Some questions:
Any suggestions/preferences/insights on the various versions? I am leaning toward the lapstrake RD version for its increased sleepability, and flotation for short jaunts into the ocean (crossing bays), storage plotted out on plans and a little more knock-down proof. But if the normal (original) version is pretty decent for sleeping, then I may go that way.... I am 6'2" tall.
Anybody know the recent prices for plans?
Big question I have is the room in original for sleeping compared to RD version? I think the RD is 2' bigger?
There appear to be a variety of mast raising options.... I like the tabernacle (but not the gooseneck) but wonder if people really have had trouble stepping the mast....pro and cons on the various mast raising arrangements? Small slot vs. walking slot thru cabin roof?
Does anyone know which version is offered by Payson's website?
Do any Chebaccos have self draining cockpits?
Thanks! I know that's a lot of questions/concepts raised but I didn't want to string it out forever!
Doug