Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
It arrived yesterday in my Messing About in Boats.
The suggestion to move the light engine forward is a recurrent theme. Have any other designers done that?
The suggestion to move the light engine forward is a recurrent theme. Have any other designers done that?
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "James" <jimrudholm@...> wrote:
>
> Susanne,
> I am interested in seeing the "Silverblase" concept study.
> Thank you.
> Jim Rudholm, 2600 Sierra St., Kingsburg, CA 93631
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Hugo,
> > can you update me on your current address ?
> > I am at long last in a position to send you a hard-copy of the lost concept study for the light runabout.
> > Susanne
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hugo Tyson
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm sorry Susanne....no bad feelings.
> >
> > I never received any drawings..I did move address..but I did send you a letter..but I suppose in the hectic time when you were doing work for the goverment(Navy-Marines?) it may have been lost/overlooked?
> >
> > Phil was a real inspiration to me( and my father Bruce)...I've moved on....and things change...I'm not interested in powerboats any more...I hate the way the world is consuming its rescources and I love Phil's and your vision for "Greener"and more cost effective fishing vessels. We need them here in Tasmania! Fish once was realitivly cheap..now its a luxury!
> >
> > PS. Post the design in MAIB.....maybe with just a straight forward prop shaft...the retacting idea ...maybe was a bit unrealistic given the power required to give the boat reasonable performance?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Susanne@" <philbolger@>
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 12:23 PM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> > Mr. Tyson,
> > as you are leaving, I'll inform you that at long last I've retrieved an aged blue-line print of 'Silverblaze'. I was certain we had sent it with commentary. Since I've not been able to find the original, I assume that it was inadvertently sent, and to the wrong address at that, it seems... Once a master key was sent out.
> >
> > Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
> >
> > I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
> >
> > Regards
> > Susanne Altenburger
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hugo Tyson
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...
> >
> > I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !
> >
> > As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!
> >
> > At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!
> >
> > Bye Bye Bolgerados!
> >
> > PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurd
> >
> >
> > From: etap28 <dave.irland@>
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Kills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 4 1/2 hours to go.Ã She's a beauty, alright.Ã I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: David <dir_cobb@>
> > > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> > > Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
> > >
> > >
> > > Ã
> > > Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
> > >
> > > David
> > > Santiago
> > > Chile
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > > > >
> > > > > HJ
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Susanne,
I am interested in seeing the "Silverblase" concept study.
Thank you.
Jim Rudholm, 2600 Sierra St., Kingsburg, CA 93631
I am interested in seeing the "Silverblase" concept study.
Thank you.
Jim Rudholm, 2600 Sierra St., Kingsburg, CA 93631
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Hugo,
> can you update me on your current address ?
> I am at long last in a position to send you a hard-copy of the lost concept study for the light runabout.
> Susanne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugo Tyson
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
>
>
>
>
> I'm sorry Susanne....no bad feelings.
>
> I never received any drawings..I did move address..but I did send you a letter..but I suppose in the hectic time when you were doing work for the goverment(Navy-Marines?) it may have been lost/overlooked?
>
> Phil was a real inspiration to me( and my father Bruce)...I've moved on....and things change...I'm not interested in powerboats any more...I hate the way the world is consuming its rescources and I love Phil's and your vision for "Greener"and more cost effective fishing vessels. We need them here in Tasmania! Fish once was realitivly cheap..now its a luxury!
>
> PS. Post the design in MAIB.....maybe with just a straight forward prop shaft...the retacting idea ...maybe was a bit unrealistic given the power required to give the boat reasonable performance?
>
>
>
>
> From: "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 12:23 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
>
>
>
>
> 
> Mr. Tyson,
> as you are leaving, I'll inform you that at long last I've retrieved an aged blue-line print of 'Silverblaze'. I was certain we had sent it with commentary. Since I've not been able to find the original, I assume that it was inadvertently sent, and to the wrong address at that, it seems... Once a master key was sent out.
>
> Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
>
> I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
>
> Regards
> Susanne Altenburger
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Hugo Tyson
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]
>
>
>
> It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...
>
> I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !
>
> As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!
>
> At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!
>
> Bye Bye Bolgerados!
>
> PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurd
>
>
> From: etap28 <dave.irland@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
>
>
> Kills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@> wrote:
> >
> > 4 1/2 hours to go.Ã She's a beauty, alright.Ã I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: David <dir_cobb@>
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
> >
> >
> > Ã
> > Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
> >
> > David
> > Santiago
> > Chile
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> > >
> > >
> > > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > > >
> > > > HJ
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Hello Hugo,
can you update me on your
current address ?
I am at long last in a position to send you a hard-copy of the lost concept study for the light runabout.
Susanne
I am at long last in a position to send you a hard-copy of the lost concept study for the light runabout.
Susanne
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 9:40 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.I'm sorry Susanne....no bad feelings.I never received any drawings..I did move address..but I did send you a letter..but I suppose in the hectic time when you were doing work for the goverment(Navy-Marines?) it may have been lost/overlooked?Phil was a real inspiration to me( and my father Bruce)...I've moved on....and things change...I'm not interested in powerboats any more...I hate the way the world is consuming its rescources and I love Phil's and your vision for "Greener"and more cost effective fishing vessels. We need them here in Tasmania! Fish once was realitivly cheap..now its a luxury!PS. Post the design in MAIB.....maybe with just a straight forward prop shaft...the retacting idea ...maybe was a bit unrealistic given the power required to give the boat reasonable performance?From:"Susanne@..." <philbolger@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 12:23 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.Mr. Tyson,as you are leaving, I'll inform you that at long last I've retrieved an aged blue-line print of 'Silverblaze'. I was certain we had sent it with commentary. Since I've not been able to find the original, I assume that it was inadvertently sent, and to the wrong address at that, it seems... Once a master key was sent out.
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
It wasn't me that brought up the idea that I shouldn't be boating if I didn't want to loose money on boats. All I was doing was replying to that comment.
A couple of years ab go a boat was advertised on line her Name was Cats Paw. She was abeautiful glss over plywood ketch. I really liked her. He asked $30,000 for her. I felt that at my age I should not finance a boat on a fixed income. I had $20,000 in cash . I told him that if she is what he said she is I would give him that for her in cash. After a couple weeks he called me and said he would take $22,000 for her and finance the $2000. I told I him no, but the offer was standing untill he either sold her for more or came don to my price. A guy from Chile offered him $29,500 and he sold the boat. All I am saying is $12,000 or $20,000 is to much to risk without getting surveys and following proper buying procedures to insure that the good deal really is a good deal.
I am perfectly capable of surveying a boat to determine it's condition and and I could do one for you for nothing. I would never do one for myself. OF course if I did one for you when it comes time to insure yourboat it would be worth exactly what I charge you for it.:-) Doug
On 03/04/2012 01:16 AM, B Cory wrote:
From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayDoug,I don't go out of my way to lose money, I shop and compare and make sure I get a decent buy. MY point is simply that after you add up all of the cost of maintenance, moorage/trailering costs, regsitration, time spent etc... its generally a money losing proposition for anything but very small boats. So is drinkingt good scotch, but I love every minute of it. I've got a 1967 wood 36ft grand banks that I got so cheap everyone tells me I stole it. After 6 years of moorage and insurance, theres no way I can ever claim that I made money on it, especially in this market. Nonetheless, I dont begrudge a single cent spent, as Ive had many wonderful times on Tenacious. Can't take it with me ;-)Now on the other hand, Id NEVER buy a new car off the lot. The depreciation that first mile is ridiculous!From:Douglas Pollard<dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayI don't understand why anyone would be willing to lose any more money that they need to. I too have never made any money on my cruising boats but I also have lost a minimum. The fact that I did not lose a lot of money has never detracted from the pleasure I have gotten from my boats. I just don't get it? There seems to be a defensiveness against keeping the cost down on sailing or any other hobby or pass time.
It is an easy thing to insure your not throwing money away. A good deal made in any transaction is also a pleasure. . Tom, if you must loose money to enjoy your boat you should find another pastime. My boats are not my past time they are my way of life and have been for 65years. I find that people that do not make good deals on boats give it up in time and run around fussing about how expensive boats are. Doug
On 03/03/2012 05:23 PM, Tom Sorensen wrote:there are many things that will never turn us a profit, but they enhance our life. i consider boats in that category. if you simply MUST NOT LOSE MONEY to live with yourself, I'd find another pastime ;-)if it flies, floats or.........rent it!TomFrom:Douglas Pollard<dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:52 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayYes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20% for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
On 03/02/2012 11:35 PM, Mathew wrote:Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayWhen I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.From:james fry<hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on eAdmittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.JimWhen I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?From:Eric<eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
From:Tom Sorensen <tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Sunday, March 4, 2012 2:04 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Doug,
I don't go out of my way to lose money, I shop and compare and make sure I get a decent buy. MY point is simply that after you add up all of the cost of maintenance, moorage/trailering costs, regsitration, time spent etc... its generally a money losing proposition for anything but very small boats. So is drinkingt good scotch, but I love every minute of it. I've got a 1967 wood 36ft grand banks that I got so cheap everyone tells me I stole it. After 6 years of moorage and insurance, theres no way I can ever claim that I made money on it, especially in this market. Nonetheless, I dont begrudge a single cent spent, as Ive had many wonderful times on Tenacious. Can't take it with me ;-)
Now on the other hand, Id NEVER buy a new car off the lot. The depreciation that first mile is ridiculous!
From:Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
I don't understand why anyone would be willing to lose any more money that they need to. I too have never made any money on my cruising boats but I also have lost a minimum. The fact that I did not lose a lot of money has never detracted from the pleasure I have gotten from my boats. I just don't get it? There seems to be a defensiveness against keeping the cost down on sailing or any other hobby or pass time.
It is an easy thing to insure your not throwing money away. A good deal made in any transaction is also a pleasure. . Tom, if you must loose money to enjoy your boat you should find another pastime. My boats are not my past time they are my way of life and have been for 65years. I find that people that do not make good deals on boats give it up in time and run around fussing about how expensive boats are. Doug
It is an easy thing to insure your not throwing money away. A good deal made in any transaction is also a pleasure. . Tom, if you must loose money to enjoy your boat you should find another pastime. My boats are not my past time they are my way of life and have been for 65years. I find that people that do not make good deals on boats give it up in time and run around fussing about how expensive boats are. Doug
On 03/03/2012 05:23 PM, Tom Sorensen wrote:there are many things that will never turn us a profit, but they enhance our life. i consider boats in that category. if you simply MUST NOT LOSE MONEY to live with yourself, I'd find another pastime ;-)if it flies, floats or.........rent it!TomFrom:Douglas Pollard<dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:52 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayYes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20% for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
On 03/02/2012 11:35 PM, Mathew wrote:Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayWhen I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.From:james fry<hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on eAdmittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.JimWhen I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?From:Eric<eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
Doug,
I don't go out of my way to lose money, I shop and compare and make sure I get a decent buy. MY point is simply that after you add up all of the cost of maintenance, moorage/trailering costs, regsitration, time spent etc... its generally a money losing proposition for anything but very small boats. So is drinkingt good scotch, but I love every minute of it. I've got a 1967 wood 36ft grand banks that I got so cheap everyone tells me I stole it. After 6 years of moorage and insurance, theres no way I can ever claim that I made money on it, especially in this market. Nonetheless, I dont begrudge a single cent spent, as Ive had many wonderful times on Tenacious. Can't take it with me ;-)
Now on the other hand, Id NEVER buy a new car off the lot. The depreciation that first mile is ridiculous!
From:Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 5:09 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
I don't understand why anyone would be willing to lose any more money that they need to. I too have never made any money on my cruising boats but I also have lost a minimum. The fact that I did not lose a lot of money has never detracted from the pleasure I have gotten from my boats. I just don't get it? There seems to be a defensiveness against keeping the cost down on sailing or any other hobby or pass time.
It is an easy thing to insure your not throwing money away. A good deal made in any transaction is also a pleasure. . Tom, if you must loose money to enjoy your boat you should find another pastime. My boats are not my past time they are my way of life and have been for 65years. I find that people that do not make good deals on boats give it up in time and run around fussing about how expensive boats are. Doug
It is an easy thing to insure your not throwing money away. A good deal made in any transaction is also a pleasure. . Tom, if you must loose money to enjoy your boat you should find another pastime. My boats are not my past time they are my way of life and have been for 65years. I find that people that do not make good deals on boats give it up in time and run around fussing about how expensive boats are. Doug
On 03/03/2012 05:23 PM, Tom Sorensen wrote:there are many things that will never turn us a profit, but they enhance our life. i consider boats in that category. if you simply MUST NOT LOSE MONEY to live with yourself, I'd find another pastime ;-)if it flies, floats or.........rent it!TomFrom:Douglas Pollard<dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:52 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayYes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20% for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
On 03/02/2012 11:35 PM, Mathew wrote:Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayWhen I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.From:james fry<hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on eAdmittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.JimWhen I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?From:Eric<eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>Well it would translate to something like Elan Libre... Last we heard (a couple of years ago) it was cruising in Turkey and the Baltic and still going strong.
> What's French for 'Loose Moose'...
> Is she still around ?
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
On 03/03/2012 05:28 PM, Harry James wrote:Harry I spent 14 years off cruising and was able to do it in part because I have been careful of my money. If You throw money away you may not be able to go anyplace. Cruising is all about being frugal and stretching a dollar, for most of us. If you read cruising books you may notice that a big part of every book is about getting by on little money. I am not fussing at you, but this list is about Bolger boats and a huge amount of Bolger's effort went to designing boats we can all afford. I have sailed off and left others setting on the dock saying they couldn't afford to go cruising. I likely made less money than they did. DougYou are living in a different universe than I am if you expect to make a profit on owning a recreational boat. The fact that apparently you have done it successfully makes it a sure thing that you are.
I think I am ahead if I can recover 50%. Owning a boat is much more about the lust for me. Owning a boat is about recreation and personal enjoyment, those usually aren't profit making goals.
HJ
On 3/3/2012 5:52 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:Yes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20% for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
It is an easy thing to insure your not throwing money away. A good deal made in any transaction is also a pleasure. . Tom, if you must loose money to enjoy your boat you should find another pastime. My boats are not my past time they are my way of life and have been for 65years. I find that people that do not make good deals on boats give it up in time and run around fussing about how expensive boats are. Doug
On 03/03/2012 05:23 PM, Tom Sorensen wrote:there are many things that will never turn us a profit, but they enhance our life. i consider boats in that category. if you simply MUST NOT LOSE MONEY to live with yourself, I'd find another pastime ;-)if it flies, floats or.........rent it!Tom
From:Douglas Pollard<dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:52 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayYes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20% for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
On 03/02/2012 11:35 PM, Mathew wrote:Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.
From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayWhen I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.From:james fry<hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on eAdmittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.JimWhen I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?From:Eric<eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
What's French for 'Loose Moose'...
Is she still around ?
Is she still around ?
----- Original Message -----From:loosemoosefilmworksSent:Saturday, March 03, 2012 5:51 PMSubject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
It's funny but when we decided to build our Jessie Cooper "Loose Moose" Just about everybody we knew advised against building her as being such an "odd" boat we'd never get our money back when/if we decided to sell it.
We lived on the first Loose Moose for nearly six years and it allowed us to sail around Europe and when we weren't sailing to reside in an area outside Paris for the princely sum of $50 a month saving us thousands and thousands of dollars in rent.
The savings of being able to live on our Loose Moose were actually what it cost us to have Phil design and build our Loose Moose 2 so in a way Loose Moose paid for our next boat as well as saved us thousands of dollars on rent and all. Plus if you factor in the just plain enjoyment (and what exactly is the dollar value of days that will resonate with enjoyment as memories for the rest of your life?) so the actual cost of a boat is a somewhat complicated bit of higher math.
As it happens when we sold our first Loose Moose to a young Frenchman who'd become a friend while we were building LM2 for $1. we felt we'd made quite the profit in the deal... and, knowing that our first Loose Moose was in good hands that would take care of her and show her the respect it deserved was more than happy making...
Boats are never just about condition, dollars and cents.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
It's funny but when we decided to build our Jessie Cooper "Loose Moose" Just about everybody we knew advised against building her as being such an "odd" boat we'd never get our money back when/if we decided to sell it.
We lived on the first Loose Moose for nearly six years and it allowed us to sail around Europe and when we weren't sailing to reside in an area outside Paris for the princely sum of $50 a month saving us thousands and thousands of dollars in rent.
The savings of being able to live on our Loose Moose were actually what it cost us to have Phil design and build our Loose Moose 2 so in a way Loose Moose paid for our next boat as well as saved us thousands of dollars on rent and all. Plus if you factor in the just plain enjoyment (and what exactly is the dollar value of days that will resonate with enjoyment as memories for the rest of your life?) so the actual cost of a boat is a somewhat complicated bit of higher math.
As it happens when we sold our first Loose Moose to a young Frenchman who'd become a friend while we were building LM2 for $1. we felt we'd made quite the profit in the deal... and, knowing that our first Loose Moose was in good hands that would take care of her and show her the respect it deserved was more than happy making...
Boats are never just about condition, dollars and cents.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
We lived on the first Loose Moose for nearly six years and it allowed us to sail around Europe and when we weren't sailing to reside in an area outside Paris for the princely sum of $50 a month saving us thousands and thousands of dollars in rent.
The savings of being able to live on our Loose Moose were actually what it cost us to have Phil design and build our Loose Moose 2 so in a way Loose Moose paid for our next boat as well as saved us thousands of dollars on rent and all. Plus if you factor in the just plain enjoyment (and what exactly is the dollar value of days that will resonate with enjoyment as memories for the rest of your life?) so the actual cost of a boat is a somewhat complicated bit of higher math.
As it happens when we sold our first Loose Moose to a young Frenchman who'd become a friend while we were building LM2 for $1. we felt we'd made quite the profit in the deal... and, knowing that our first Loose Moose was in good hands that would take care of her and show her the respect it deserved was more than happy making...
Boats are never just about condition, dollars and cents.
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
You are living in a different universe than I am if you expect to
make a profit on owning a recreational boat. The fact that
apparently you have done it successfully makes it a sure thing that
you are.
I think I am ahead if I can recover 50%. Owning a boat is much more about the lust for me. Owning a boat is about recreation and personal enjoyment, those usually aren't profit making goals.
HJ
I think I am ahead if I can recover 50%. Owning a boat is much more about the lust for me. Owning a boat is about recreation and personal enjoyment, those usually aren't profit making goals.
HJ
On 3/3/2012 5:52 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:Yes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20% for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
there are many things that will never turn us a profit, but they enhance our life. i consider boats in that category. if you simply MUST NOT LOSE MONEY to live with yourself, I'd find another pastime ;-)
if it flies, floats or.........rent it!
Tom
From:Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Saturday, March 3, 2012 6:52 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Yes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very
reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of
buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has
and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he
tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a
value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on
price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at
my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the
estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20%
for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a
boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to
do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
On 03/02/2012 11:35 PM, Mathew wrote:
Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.
From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayWhen I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.From:james fry<hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on eAdmittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.JimWhen I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?From:Eric<eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
I guess we will do what Europe and the Scandinavian countries have had to do for a long, long time; stop thinking we are entitled to unlimited cheap gas, get over it, and learn to live a simpler life. Maybe expensive gas would get rid of all those damned over powered boats that ruin our peaceful cruising and roil up our anchorages.
The canals of Europe have a very low speed limit, none of this dimwitted high speed, big damaging wake stuff like in the USA. While I won't like more expensive gas any more than anyone else, it is inevitable, and not something any politician, of any party, on any level can do about it. The problem is GREED, and that is not something a government can control without becoming a dictatorship.
Bob
The canals of Europe have a very low speed limit, none of this dimwitted high speed, big damaging wake stuff like in the USA. While I won't like more expensive gas any more than anyone else, it is inevitable, and not something any politician, of any party, on any level can do about it. The problem is GREED, and that is not something a government can control without becoming a dictatorship.
Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, james fry <hunter02_2002@...> wrote:
>
> Admittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.Â
> Jim
> When I bought my first Jeep, I couldn't fit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.
> When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?
Yes the Bolger schooner is a fine looking boat. That is the very
reason I would likely not be able to buy it on line. MY method of
buying a boat is first I have to like her. The seller usually has
and asking price. I ask him what is wrong with her. What ever he
tells me I figure what it is going to cost me to fix her including a
value for my labour. That is deducted from our tentatively agree on
price. So now we have a new price. I then have the boat surveyed at
my expense. The surveyor gives me his report and I deduct the
estimates the yard gives me on making the repairs to that I add 20%
for a small proffit on the work. After all why should I rebuild a
boat if I can't make anything on the work? The seller is welcome to
do the work that needs to be done if he figures my price is wrong.
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
This insures that I get a boat at a price that is right in her present condition. I have the failing of falling in love so might overlook her faults. This method is to protect me from my own lust not to hurt the buyer. If I can't do this I don't buy. The seller has to be able to document the engine hours. I have a compression check done and oil sample tested if I can't prove the engine is good then I figure its worth about $1000 as spare parts or an engine to rebuild.
I have used this method 3 times over the years and two of them I was not able to buy the boat which was heart breaking as I was really in lust. The boat I bought needed a lot of repair but I was very happy with her. I did the repairs sailed her about five years and sold he at a small profit but likely really lost a little money taking inflation into account.
This is a really hard thing to discipline yourself to do. The hardest thing is that in most cases I wind up liking the guy selling the boat and then its almost impossible to be so tough minded. I am my own worst enemy. Doug
On 03/02/2012 11:35 PM, Mathew wrote:Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.
From:Tom Sorensen<tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayWhen I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.From:james fry<hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com"<bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on eAdmittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.JimWhen I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?From:Eric<eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
Well, as far as boats are concerned, I'm not a Bolger expert, but I am something of a fan. I just wonder if this is a good blue-water vessel, or if it's best for coastal traveling? Also, I noted that bottom fasteners were replaced in '05 - how often should that be necessary? I eventually plan to live aboard a vessel, and travel the world on the cheap. That's right, using boat bums as part of the labor for maintenance as I go. For "go money," I'll be doing some work online. I know some of the popular names to look for in this age boat, as being worth watching for....
This is a truly beautiful craft. Could she be single handed? Would she hold up well over years of regular sailing? Or, would the eventual "bottom refastening" be something
that wrecks an otherwise pristinely maintained craft?
Not that I can necessarily make such a purchase at this time, but....
Damn, I see her lines, and I want to.
From:Tom Sorensen <tdsoren@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
When I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.
Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.
From:james fry <hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on
e
Admittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.
Jim
When I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.
When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?
From:Eric <eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
When I started driving gas was @ $1.15 a gallon, full time college was $600.00 a term down the road, and I could buy a 3 bedroom ranch for $50,000.00. My health insurance cost $90.00 a month. The tuition, house and insurance are all up 500%. Gas is only up @ 300%, and a bunch of that is the speculators.
Save it for the FOX newsgroup. This is about boats.
From:james fry <hunter02_2002@...>To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 6:35 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on
e
Admittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.
Jim
When I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.
When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?
From:Eric <eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
Admittedly I'm a SneakEasy kind of guy myself, but damn, nearly 3000 visitors to this beaut , and not one nibble. Times must be tough.
Jim
When I bought my first Jeep, I couldn'tfit $2.50 worth of fuel in it. Just now filled up my '98TJ and it cost $50.00.
When the Chosen One was running for President he was asked what price he'd be comfortable with for gas. His reply was 7-8 dollars a gallon. What the heck are we ever going to do if he hits his 'comfort zone'?
From:Eric <eric14850@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, March 2, 2012 7:10 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
He might have had a higher reserve on it; that wasn't a "buy it now" price. Still, it could have been the buy of a lifetime.
Scot
Scot
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <eric14850@...> wrote:
>
>
> Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@> wrote:
> >
> > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> >
> > HJ
> >
>
Its a good thing I didn't see this before the sale ended. I might have been foolish enough or smart enough to buy it. I'll probably put $12,000 into necessary improvement to ROGUE. Such beauty. How could this boat not immediately sell at $12000?!? When I think of all the ads from eager young people wanting to buy an inexpensive boat to sail around the world in... May this schooner find an appreciative owner. Its worth $12,000 as a beautiful sculpture, far, far more as the functional boat it is.
Eric
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
Hugo,
Just want to say that your family has become a part of the Bolger legend
in my view. Some of the nicest "home" builds I could ever imagine. I
always thought about going to Taz one day, but not sure I can make it
now.
Hope we don't completely lose touch with your latest project. Any chance
of getting a blog going or a build log on WB group?
Also hoping your father is well. He has been through a lot in his day -
including putting up with you and Dominic:-)
I also enjoyed the "old days" of the ongoing high energy this group used
to have. The term "fuddy duds" comes to mind for some reason.
Cheers!
Nels
Just want to say that your family has become a part of the Bolger legend
in my view. Some of the nicest "home" builds I could ever imagine. I
always thought about going to Taz one day, but not sure I can make it
now.
Hope we don't completely lose touch with your latest project. Any chance
of getting a blog going or a build log on WB group?
Also hoping your father is well. He has been through a lot in his day -
including putting up with you and Dominic:-)
I also enjoyed the "old days" of the ongoing high energy this group used
to have. The term "fuddy duds" comes to mind for some reason.
Cheers!
Nels
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Hugo Tyson <hhetyson@...> wrote:
>
> It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't
interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty
throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his
best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed
traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but
I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce
Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are
interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his
"Topaz"yet...
> Â
> I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter LenihanÂ
and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two
erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite
boring..trivial S***. !
> Â
> As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a
42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a
very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5Â years with no
result!
> Â
> At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan
design) about to be launched soon!
> Â
> Bye Bye Bolgerados!
> Â
> PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for
a used boat (even given inflation) is absurd
Hugo, are you related to Mike ?
-----Original Message-----
From: Susanne@... <philbolger@...>
To: bolger <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 8:23 pm
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
From: Susanne@... <philbolger@...>
To: bolger <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 8:23 pm
Subject: [bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
Mr. Tyson,
as you are leaving, I'll
inform you that at long last I've retrieved an aged blue-line print of
'Silverblaze'. I was certain we had sent it with commentary.
Since I've not been able to find the original, I assume that it was
inadvertently sent, and to the wrong address at that, it seems... Once a
master key was sent out.
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Hugo,
I don't know why you have a disparaging view of the bolger groups. It is but one boat builder segment, one set of choices among many. I am quite keen on George Buehler designs. I like them a lot, but there is valuable knowledge and disucssion that occurs on all the boating forums so long as its about what you want to talk about. If you don't then dont...no problems, no hurt...Just don't understand why the unecessary exiting comments you made.
I like bolger designs for what they are, and I like other designs for what are too...they don't try to be or beat one another, they are just different.
It's like someone who says they don't like veggie burgers because they dont' taste like a hanburger....Well it's not a hamburger....try tasting a veggie burger for what it is and you mgiht enjoy it for what it is rather than disliking it for what it isn't.
Scot McPherson, CISSP, MCSA
McPherson Family Farms
Le Claire, IA, USA
I volunteer
-----Original Message-----
From: Susanne@... <philbolger@...>
To: bolger <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
From: Susanne@... <philbolger@...>
To: bolger <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Oh well.... Knowing the prevailing
weather-conditions would help, SUSANNE !!
Would make a fine yarn though, since the schooner was built at Story's in Essex, was sailed by Phil for a few, to then end up in the Southern Hemisphere in good hands.
Once you've disposed of those 8000 miles, planning on taking her through 'the Horn' and then north for a Bolger get-together in Gloucester would seem almost 'matter-of-course'...
As I was saying, oh well...
SUSANNE !?
Would make a fine yarn though, since the schooner was built at Story's in Essex, was sailed by Phil for a few, to then end up in the Southern Hemisphere in good hands.
Once you've disposed of those 8000 miles, planning on taking her through 'the Horn' and then north for a Bolger get-together in Gloucester would seem almost 'matter-of-course'...
As I was saying, oh well...
SUSANNE !?
----- Original Message -----From:DavidSent:Friday, February 24, 2012 7:32 AMSubject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayI was tempted... just 5200 miles as the crow flies...
Wind in the Southern Hemisphere will be predominantly from the SW, so I get the idea that the actual sailing route looks more like 8000 miles...
That's only a couple of months at an average on 6 knots 24 hours a day with no stops and wind all the way...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> "Come on David, you'd just keep the coast on your port bow and..."
> Susanne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
>
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Oh well.... Knowing the prevailing
weather-conditions would help, SUSANNE !!
Would make a fine yarn though, since the schooner was built at Story's in Essex, was sailed by Phil for a few, to then end up in the Southern Hemisphere in good hands.
Once you've disposed of those 8000 miles, planning on taking her through 'the Horn' and then north for a Bolger get-together in Gloucester would seem almost 'matter-of-course'...
As I was saying, oh well...
SUSANNE !?
Would make a fine yarn though, since the schooner was built at Story's in Essex, was sailed by Phil for a few, to then end up in the Southern Hemisphere in good hands.
Once you've disposed of those 8000 miles, planning on taking her through 'the Horn' and then north for a Bolger get-together in Gloucester would seem almost 'matter-of-course'...
As I was saying, oh well...
SUSANNE !?
----- Original Message -----From:DavidSent:Friday, February 24, 2012 7:32 AMSubject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayI was tempted... just 5200 miles as the crow flies...
Wind in the Southern Hemisphere will be predominantly from the SW, so I get the idea that the actual sailing route looks more like 8000 miles...
That's only a couple of months at an average on 6 knots 24 hours a day with no stops and wind all the way...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> "Come on David, you'd just keep the coast on your port bow and..."
> Susanne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
>
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
I was tempted... just 5200 miles as the crow flies...
Wind in the Southern Hemisphere will be predominantly from the SW, so I get the idea that the actual sailing route looks more like 8000 miles...
That's only a couple of months at an average on 6 knots 24 hours a day with no stops and wind all the way...
Wind in the Southern Hemisphere will be predominantly from the SW, so I get the idea that the actual sailing route looks more like 8000 miles...
That's only a couple of months at an average on 6 knots 24 hours a day with no stops and wind all the way...
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Susanne@..." <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> "Come on David, you'd just keep the coast on your port bow and..."
> Susanne
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
>
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Your question confirms what I thought might be the
case...
Phil did advocate shallow-draft but also...
And that is what a lot of folks have talked about in this forum - however 'uninspiring' to some - , reflecting Phil's highly-evolved definition of shallow-draft-at-sea. 'Leopard' at least once came to Gloucester and she is what she is.
The reason why these 'period'-derived flavors get designed by a few is because Phil explicitly chose not to - after some early experimenting and much subsequent thought. That shallow-draft 'market-segment' is apparently being filled now...
Worthwhile studying: South-West Pacific Inter-Island Motor-sailing Trader SIR JOSEPH BANKS, drawn to 90'+ length and still under 4' of hull-draft. Butshe is high-sided enough to allow taking super-shallow draft to sea, as confirmed by an Australian 'Second Opinion' on her decades ago.
A full-scale Mid-Atlantic Coast Schooner Replica came to town last summer, tall rig, low sides, shallow, and (painfully) obvious why new-built 1:1-scale 'Pride-of-Baltimore' was lost 'suddenly', albeit tragically predictably so. That visiting vessel last summer will never be exposable to the average East-Coast range of conditions without a weary eye on the weather, early-on reducing sail, and starting the engines.... Even with full-time seasoned crews, these geometries proved 'challenging', incl. 'sisterships' attempted for fishing out of Gloucester, with some built, owned, sailed, lost by one branch of Phil's ancestors. Too low-sided!
Scaling them down does not inherently improve the breed.
Enough folks in this forum have examined the underlying premises. Even Bruce Kirby came to agree...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Phil did advocate shallow-draft but also...
And that is what a lot of folks have talked about in this forum - however 'uninspiring' to some - , reflecting Phil's highly-evolved definition of shallow-draft-at-sea. 'Leopard' at least once came to Gloucester and she is what she is.
The reason why these 'period'-derived flavors get designed by a few is because Phil explicitly chose not to - after some early experimenting and much subsequent thought. That shallow-draft 'market-segment' is apparently being filled now...
Worthwhile studying: South-West Pacific Inter-Island Motor-sailing Trader SIR JOSEPH BANKS, drawn to 90'+ length and still under 4' of hull-draft. Butshe is high-sided enough to allow taking super-shallow draft to sea, as confirmed by an Australian 'Second Opinion' on her decades ago.
A full-scale Mid-Atlantic Coast Schooner Replica came to town last summer, tall rig, low sides, shallow, and (painfully) obvious why new-built 1:1-scale 'Pride-of-Baltimore' was lost 'suddenly', albeit tragically predictably so. That visiting vessel last summer will never be exposable to the average East-Coast range of conditions without a weary eye on the weather, early-on reducing sail, and starting the engines.... Even with full-time seasoned crews, these geometries proved 'challenging', incl. 'sisterships' attempted for fishing out of Gloucester, with some built, owned, sailed, lost by one branch of Phil's ancestors. Too low-sided!
Scaling them down does not inherently improve the breed.
Enough folks in this forum have examined the underlying premises. Even Bruce Kirby came to agree...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:52 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebaySusanne,"I'm not sure what you are getting at here with that comment?" I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?"""Is it positive or negative? I know Phil was a very keen advocate for shallow draft and fair enough..so is Reuel Parker...his own Schooner "Leopard"at 60' LOD only had 4'draft with the C.B up!I respect Reuel's judgement because, like Phil , he's basically self-taught (Boat designig)...But..has studied engineering...has built many boats and has extesively cruised and lived aboard boats for many yearsFrom:"Susanne@..." <philbolger@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 12:36 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayMr. Tyson,
about your remarks about the group, if you wonder for instance whether Mr. Hallman actually builds boats you may want to go back in this forum and examine his single-handed output in the shop, on the PC and online. There is a wide range between folks relative 'productivity' and their online profile happily sharing in the discussion. For instance, Mr.Lenihan's WoodenBoat-postings are extensive, with the modified Windermere-project taking around, say, near a decade (?).
Having tried my hand at such a project over the last year I can see how things slow down and speed up, and how at times for some of us talking and digressing on to other designs and projects is part of the deal.
I hope the new project will help balance your 'books' again...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
P.S. I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Susanne,"
I'm not sure what you are getting at here with that comment?
" I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?"""
Is it positive or negative? I know Phil was a very keen advocate for shallow draft and fair enough..so is Reuel Parker...his own Schooner "Leopard"at 60' LOD only had 4'draft with the C.B up!
I respect Reuel's judgement because, like
Phil , he's basically self-taught (Boat designig)...But..has studied engineering...has built many boats and has extesively cruised and lived aboard boats for many years
From:"Susanne@..." <philbolger@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 12:36 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 12:36 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Mr. Tyson,
about your remarks about the group, if you wonder for instance whether Mr. Hallman actually builds boats you may want to go back in this forum and examine his single-handed output in the shop, on the PC and online. There is a wide range between folks relative 'productivity' and their online profile happily sharing in the discussion. For instance, Mr.Lenihan's WoodenBoat-postings are extensive, with the modified Windermere-project taking around, say, near a decade (?).
Having tried my hand at such a project over the last year I can see how things slow down and speed up, and how at times for some of us talking and digressing on to other designs and projects is part of the deal.
I hope the new project will help balance your 'books' again...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
P.S. I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?
about your remarks about the group, if you wonder for instance whether Mr. Hallman actually builds boats you may want to go back in this forum and examine his single-handed output in the shop, on the PC and online. There is a wide range between folks relative 'productivity' and their online profile happily sharing in the discussion. For instance, Mr.Lenihan's WoodenBoat-postings are extensive, with the modified Windermere-project taking around, say, near a decade (?).
Having tried my hand at such a project over the last year I can see how things slow down and speed up, and how at times for some of us talking and digressing on to other designs and projects is part of the deal.
I hope the new project will help balance your 'books' again...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
P.S. I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
I'm sorry Susanne....no bad feelings.
I never received any drawings..I did move address..but I did send you a letter..but I suppose in the hectic time when you were doing work for the goverment(Navy-Marines?) it may have been lost/overlooked?
Phil was a real inspiration to me( and my father Bruce)...I've moved on....and things change...I'm not interested in powerboats any more...I hate the way the world is consuming its rescources and I love Phil's and your vision for "Greener"and more cost effective fishing vessels. We need them here in Tasmania! Fish once was realitivly cheap..now its a luxury!
PS. Post the design in MAIB.....maybe with just a straight
forward prop shaft...the retacting idea ...maybe was a bit unrealistic given the power required to give the boat reasonable performance?
From:"Susanne@..." <philbolger@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 12:23 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 12:23 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Tyson on Schooner on ebay etc.
Mr. Tyson,
as you are leaving, I'll
inform you that at long last I've retrieved an aged blue-line print of
'Silverblaze'. I was certain we had sent it with commentary.
Since I've not been able to find the original, I assume that it was
inadvertently sent, and to the wrong address at that, it seems... Once a
master key was sent out.
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Mr. Tyson,
about your remarks about the group, if you wonder for instance whether Mr. Hallman actually builds boats you may want to go back in this forum and examine his single-handed output in the shop, on the PC and online. There is a wide range between folks relative 'productivity' and their online profile happily sharing in the discussion. For instance, Mr.Lenihan's WoodenBoat-postings are extensive, with the modified Windermere-project taking around, say, near a decade (?).
Having tried my hand at such a project over the last year I can see how things slow down and speed up, and how at times for some of us talking and digressing on to other designs and projects is part of the deal.
I hope the new project will help balance your 'books' again...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
P.S. I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?
about your remarks about the group, if you wonder for instance whether Mr. Hallman actually builds boats you may want to go back in this forum and examine his single-handed output in the shop, on the PC and online. There is a wide range between folks relative 'productivity' and their online profile happily sharing in the discussion. For instance, Mr.Lenihan's WoodenBoat-postings are extensive, with the modified Windermere-project taking around, say, near a decade (?).
Having tried my hand at such a project over the last year I can see how things slow down and speed up, and how at times for some of us talking and digressing on to other designs and projects is part of the deal.
I hope the new project will help balance your 'books' again...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
P.S. I wonder whether Parker's scaled-down 'Pilot-Schooner'-derivative reflects Phil's conclusions on low and shallow sailing-craft ?
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Mr. Tyson,
as you are leaving, I'll
inform you that at long last I've retrieved an aged blue-line print of
'Silverblaze'. I was certain we had sent it with commentary.
Since I've not been able to find the original, I assume that it was
inadvertently sent, and to the wrong address at that, it seems... Once a
master key was sent out.
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
Beautiful shape, promising balances despite unusual shape, interesting drive-train, but dead-problematic idea of un-modified automotive power-plant too high in the hull since it would need to be self-draining... The improved marinized engine version will become part of the MAIB series like everything else so far across some 430-440 installments now.
I'll put a copy of the study in the mail.
Regards
Susanne Altenburger
----- Original Message -----From:Hugo TysonSent:Thursday, February 23, 2012 7:59 PMSubject:Re: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay [1 Attachment]It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become quite boring..trivial S***. !As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!Bye Bye Bolgerados!PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurdFrom:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayKills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
It seems to me that the majority of subscribers to this website aren't interested in quality boats..just slap together...cheap and nasty throw-aways..Bolger was an innovator for this type of craft...but his best designs( In my biased opinion) are always the round bottomed traditionally built..either power or sail. I know this will offend ..but I'm tired of the Bolger group and will be un-subscribing soon. Bruce Hallmans postings of his rough interpretations of Bolger's designs are interesting...but does he actually build boats? Has he launched his "Topaz"yet...
I miss the witty and sometime irreverant postings of Peter Lenihan and Le Mouton Noir de la Kingston!..Bruce Hector..: since those two erudite fellow have given up on this group its really become
quite boring..trivial S***. !
As I posted ...Reuel Parker has done me a design for a 42'Schooner...based on the Virginia Pilot Boats of the 1800's...at a very reasonable price..and in about 12 weeks not 5 years with no result!
At the moment I'm looking forwadrs to the 21' Handy Bill (Harry Bryan design) about to be launched soon!
Bye Bye Bolgerados!
PS. Dad sold Beluga(Too) for $39000 so the asking price of $69000 for a used boat (even given inflation) is absurd
From:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Kills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Penny Pinching!...wow a 40' Schooner for that price...if its built well its a bargain ...you'd never build the hull nowadays for that cost!...still she won't go to winward that well....but its a good boat...maybe not so much as the Schooner Reuel Parker has just finished designing for me....at a reasonable cost and a short time frame too!
From:etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 24 February 2012 2:22 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Kills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Ask the seller to split the trucking costs,
-----Original Message-----
From: etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To: bolger <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 10:22 am
Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
From: etap28 <dave.irland@...>
To: bolger <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thu, Feb 23, 2012 10:22 am
Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Kills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
Kills me. I'd be all over that boat if it were only on the correct coast.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mathew <surelyujest71@...> wrote:
>
> 4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: David <dir_cobb@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
>
>
> Â
> Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
>
> David
> Santiago
> Chile
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@> wrote:
> >
> > So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
> >
> >
> > 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> > >
> > >
> > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> > >
> > > HJ
> > >
> >
>
4 1/2 hours to go. She's a beauty, alright. I can imagine living on that and doing some awesome travelling.
From:David <dir_cobb@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Wednesday, February 22, 2012 10:19 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebay
Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
David
Santiago
Chile
David
Santiago
Chile
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
>
>
> 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@...>
> >
> >
> >
> > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> >
> >
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> >
> > HJ
> >
>
"Come on David, you'd just keep the coast on your
port bow and..."
Susanne
Susanne
----- Original Message -----From:DavidSent:Wednesday, February 22, 2012 11:19 AMSubject:[bolger] Re: Schooner on ebayVery tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
David
Santiago
Chile
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
>
>
> 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@...>
> >
> >
> >
> > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> >
> > HJ
> >
>
Very tempting. Just a bit too far for me...
David
Santiago
Chile
David
Santiago
Chile
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:
>
> So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
>
>
> 2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@...>
> >
> >
> >
> > Got one day to go, ever so tempting
> >
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
> >
> > HJ
> >
>
So true! See the copy of Wooden Boat Magazine on the galley counter in photo 5?
2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@...>
2012/2/21 Harry James <welshman@...>
>
>
>
> Got one day to go, ever so tempting
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
>
> HJ
>
Got one day to go, ever so tempting
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
HJ
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Classic-40-Gaff-Schooner-/200715862633?pt=Sailboats&hash=item2ebb990269
HJ