anyone see the photo for MARCH IN SMITHSONIAN JOURNEYS CALENDAR
She is called the sea cloud II
WOW! SHEIS BRILLIANT!
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Clear Coating alternatives
From: Andrew
1b. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
From: Jamie
1c. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
From: KK7B
1d. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
From: Bill Kreamer
2a. "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
2b. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
2c. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
2d. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
Messages
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1a. Clear Coating alternatives
Posted by: "Andrew"a.c.l.yen@...andrew_kieren
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am ((PST))
My boatbuilding has slowed since Christmas due to lack to time, but I am almost at the point of turning the hull of my Chebacco 25 over. Maybe in March sometime.
I decided that it would stiffen the sides a bit more if I fitted rubbing strakes to the top plank before I turned over. So I have sourced some nice strips of "Spotted Gum" from a timber decking supplier. I've ripped them down and shaped the profile on my router table. I'll screw them on with 1 1/2" bronze screws placed every foot. It should look nice, and spotted gum is going to be able to take the knocks.
I always said I wouldn't have any timber finished bright - to save work. But the rubbing strips in spotted gum look too good to paint over. So if I do decide to have a fancy looking rubbing strip, what should I coat it with? Spar varnish? Linear Poly Urethane (LPU)? Oil of some sort? Epoxy and PU?
I am concerned that if a bump damages the coating then water entering will quickly create an ugly mark and more coating will come off. I am also afraid that boat maintenance is not my strong point.
What opinions/experience/recommendations is out there on hard wearing clear finishes?
Regards,
Andrew
https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
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1b. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
Posted by: "Jamie"jas_orr@...jas_orr
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:30 am ((PST))
I used Cetol on all the trim. It is more like an oil finish, although it contains pigment - gives a somewhat mahogany-like look. It is not glossy like varnish although there is a gloss version (that I haven't used). It is softer than varnish but does not get age or lift the same way. It will wear off in use but can be easily touched up with no sanding or removal of the old finish (again, like an oil).
I used the original version that some object to because of the pigment, there is now a version with less pigment.
Just last year I met a professional boatbuilder that he used Cetol on his spars. I was about to refinish so i tried it, but I'm finding that the gaff and boom jaws are leaving very visible marks on it so I may go back to varnish on the spars. I like the look of varnish on the spruce spars better in any case. However I am very satisfied with Cetol on the "brightwork".
Jamie
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There are 8 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1a. Clear Coating alternatives
From: Andrew
1b. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
From: Jamie
1c. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
From: KK7B
1d. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
From: Bill Kreamer
2a. "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
2b. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
2c. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
2d. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
From: c.ruzer
Messages
________________________________________________________________________
1a. Clear Coating alternatives
Posted by: "Andrew"a.c.l.yen@...andrew_kieren
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am ((PST))
My boatbuilding has slowed since Christmas due to lack to time, but I am almost at the point of turning the hull of my Chebacco 25 over. Maybe in March sometime.
I decided that it would stiffen the sides a bit more if I fitted rubbing strakes to the top plank before I turned over. So I have sourced some nice strips of "Spotted Gum" from a timber decking supplier. I've ripped them down and shaped the profile on my router table. I'll screw them on with 1 1/2" bronze screws placed every foot. It should look nice, and spotted gum is going to be able to take the knocks.
I always said I wouldn't have any timber finished bright - to save work. But the rubbing strips in spotted gum look too good to paint over. So if I do decide to have a fancy looking rubbing strip, what should I coat it with? Spar varnish? Linear Poly Urethane (LPU)? Oil of some sort? Epoxy and PU?
I am concerned that if a bump damages the coating then water entering will quickly create an ugly mark and more coating will come off. I am also afraid that boat maintenance is not my strong point.
What opinions/experience/recommendations is out there on hard wearing clear finishes?
Regards,
Andrew
https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
Messages in this topic (4)
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1b. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
Posted by: "Jamie"jas_orr@...jas_orr
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:30 am ((PST))
I used Cetol on all the trim. It is more like an oil finish, although it contains pigment - gives a somewhat mahogany-like look. It is not glossy like varnish although there is a gloss version (that I haven't used). It is softer than varnish but does not get age or lift the same way. It will wear off in use but can be easily touched up with no sanding or removal of the old finish (again, like an oil).
I used the original version that some object to because of the pigment, there is now a version with less pigment.
Just last year I met a professional boatbuilder that he used Cetol on his spars. I was about to refinish so i tried it, but I'm finding that the gaff and boom jaws are leaving very visible marks on it so I may go back to varnish on the spars. I like the look of varnish on the spruce spars better in any case. However I am very satisfied with Cetol on the "brightwork".
Jamie
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@...> wrote:
>
> My boatbuilding has slowed since Christmas due to lack to time, but I am almost at the point of turning the hull of my Chebacco 25 over. Maybe in March sometime.
>
> I decided that it would stiffen the sides a bit more if I fitted rubbing strakes to the top plank before I turned over. So I have sourced some nice strips of "Spotted Gum" from a timber decking supplier. I've ripped them down and shaped the profile on my router table. I'll screw them on with 1 1/2" bronze screws placed every foot. It should look nice, and spotted gum is going to be able to take the knocks.
>
> I always said I wouldn't have any timber finished bright - to save work. But the rubbing strips in spotted gum look too good to paint over. So if I do decide to have a fancy looking rubbing strip, what should I coat it with? Spar varnish? Linear Poly Urethane (LPU)? Oil of some sort? Epoxy and PU?
>
> I am concerned that if a bump damages the coating then water entering will quickly create an ugly mark and more coating will come off. I am also afraid that boat maintenance is not my strong point.
>
> What opinions/experience/recommendations is out there on hard wearing clear finishes?
>
> Regards,
>
> Andrew
>
>https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
>
Messages in this topic (4)
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1c. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
Posted by: "KK7B"kk7b@...iq_rx
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:51 pm ((PST))
I agree with Jamie for rub rails (and pretty much everything else he's done on that beautiful boat). Something soft, non-glossy and easily touched up with no sanding or old finish removal. I have a can of old oil-urethane mix that I apply to the rub rails with a rag a couple times a season or as needed after a ding. It takes less time to do than write about, and leaves the boat with that fresh "someone cares about me" look.
I embrace the aesthetic of working rub rails--they don't really look right to me until they've absorbed an assortment of dings. Soft, easily touched up finish is perfect for that.
Enjoy the boat turning--big day in the life of a boat...
Best Regards,
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Jamie" <jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> I used Cetol on all the trim. It is more like an oil finish, although it contains pigment - gives a somewhat mahogany-like look. It is not glossy like varnish although there is a gloss version (that I haven't used). It is softer than varnish but does not get age or lift the same way. It will wear off in use but can be easily touched up with no sanding or removal of the old finish (again, like an oil).
>
> I used the original version that some object to because of the pigment, there is now a version with less pigment.
>
> Just last year I met a professional boatbuilder that he used Cetol on his spars. I was about to refinish so i tried it, but I'm finding that the gaff and boom jaws are leaving very visible marks on it so I may go back to varnish on the spars. I like the look of varnish on the spruce spars better in any case. However I am very satisfied with Cetol on the "brightwork".
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Andrew" <a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > My boatbuilding has slowed since Christmas due to lack to time, but I am almost at the point of turning the hull of my Chebacco 25 over. Maybe in March sometime.
> >
> > I decided that it would stiffen the sides a bit more if I fitted rubbing strakes to the top plank before I turned over. So I have sourced some nice strips of "Spotted Gum" from a timber decking supplier. I've ripped them down and shaped the profile on my router table. I'll screw them on with 1 1/2" bronze screws placed every foot. It should look nice, and spotted gum is going to be able to take the knocks.
> >
> > I always said I wouldn't have any timber finished bright - to save work. But the rubbing strips in spotted gum look too good to paint over. So if I do decide to have a fancy looking rubbing strip, what should I coat it with? Spar varnish? Linear Poly Urethane (LPU)? Oil of some sort? Epoxy and PU?
> >
> > I am concerned that if a bump damages the coating then water entering will quickly create an ugly mark and more coating will come off. I am also afraid that boat maintenance is not my strong point.
> >
> > What opinions/experience/recommendations is out there on hard wearing clear finishes?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
> >
>
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1d. Re: Clear Coating alternatives
Posted by: "Bill Kreamer"kreamers@...bkreamer
Date: Thu Mar 1, 2012 4:47 am ((PST))
Please, if you remember, can you be a bit more specific on the components of
the "old oil-urethane mix?" Thanks. - Bill
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KK7B
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:52 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Clear Coating alternatives
I agree with Jamie for rub rails (and pretty much everything else he's done
on that beautiful boat). Something soft, non-glossy and easily touched up
with no sanding or old finish removal. I have a can of old oil-urethane mix
that I apply to the rub rails with a rag a couple times a season or as
needed after a ding. It takes less time to do than write about, and leaves
the boat with that fresh "someone cares about me" look.
I embrace the aesthetic of working rub rails--they don't really look right
to me until they've absorbed an assortment of dings. Soft, easily touched up
finish is perfect for that.
Enjoy the boat turning--big day in the life of a boat...
Best Regards,
Rick
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> , "Jamie"
<jas_orr@...> wrote:
>
> I used Cetol on all the trim. It is more like an oil finish, although it
contains pigment - gives a somewhat mahogany-like look. It is not glossy
like varnish although there is a gloss version (that I haven't used). It is
softer than varnish but does not get age or lift the same way. It will wear
off in use but can be easily touched up with no sanding or removal of the
old finish (again, like an oil).
>
> I used the original version that some object to because of the pigment,
there is now a version with less pigment.
>
> Just last year I met a professional boatbuilder that he used Cetol on his
spars. I was about to refinish so i tried it, but I'm finding that the gaff
and boom jaws are leaving very visible marks on it so I may go back to
varnish on the spars. I like the look of varnish on the spruce spars better
in any case. However I am very satisfied with Cetol on the "brightwork".
>
> Jamie
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com> , "Andrew"
<a.c.l.yen@> wrote:
> >
> > My boatbuilding has slowed since Christmas due to lack to time, but I am
almost at the point of turning the hull of my Chebacco 25 over. Maybe in
March sometime.
> >
> > I decided that it would stiffen the sides a bit more if I fitted rubbing
strakes to the top plank before I turned over. So I have sourced some nice
strips of "Spotted Gum" from a timber decking supplier. I've ripped them
down and shaped the profile on my router table. I'll screw them on with 1
1/2" bronze screws placed every foot. It should look nice, and spotted gum
is going to be able to take the knocks.
> >
> > I always said I wouldn't have any timber finished bright - to save work.
But the rubbing strips in spotted gum look too good to paint over. So if I
do decide to have a fancy looking rubbing strip, what should I coat it with?
Spar varnish? Linear Poly Urethane (LPU)? Oil of some sort? Epoxy and PU?
> >
> > I am concerned that if a bump damages the coating then water entering
will quickly create an ugly mark and more coating will come off. I am also
afraid that boat maintenance is not my strong point.
> >
> > What opinions/experience/recommendations is out there on hard wearing
clear finishes?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
> >
>
Messages in this topic (4)
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________________________________________________________________________
2a. "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
Posted by: "c.ruzer"c.ruzer@...c.ruzer
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:39 pm ((PST))
May a broken string floating out upon the waters enlighten?
Leo's TARA launch somehow missed last year. Congratulations!
Name changed? Anyone know how things are proving? Whereabouts to now? North Sea?
http://www.leow.de/
http://www.leow.de/index.html
-----------------------------------------------------------
Leo in Bolger, AS29, Seabird, etc.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1253
PCB in Leo's Junk rigged,leeboard AS-29http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1256
Leo in AS29 and related topicshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1856?l=1 et al in leeboards
and seaworthinesshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/9970
PCB on Leo Altering AS29 design; Ripping-off; Copying; Clones; in Wished it weren't so
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1659
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/files/Twilight/
http://www.boatdesign.com/tbird2.htm
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
Tanton Twin: #980 30' Ply/glass. Sp. * Sea-Egret. Ultra shallow draft. Junk rigged cruiser.
Loa.31'0"xLwl 28'0"x8'0"xDraft 13"/4'6"x8500lbs. SA.600sq/ft.
http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No. 980
Et al, PCB on AS-29 clone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1613
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1627?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1649?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1656?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1633?threaded=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1690?l=1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1709?
threaded=1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1796?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1Rozinante proas
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1836?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Et al on AS29; Romp; in Performance Motorsailing http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/39727?
threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Et al on Dr. Vincent Reddish http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/42378?
threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
willers32 et al in Have Plans for AS-29 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/44071
Dear Aunt LM (1) Heaving to in big boxeshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/9271?
threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Et al in bolgers ocean abilitieshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/7292?threaded=1&p=5
Et al in AS29 = ideal bass boathttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1869?
threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Double Eagle(s), Junebug/sharpie behavior http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1916?l=1
What righttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/9943
Norumphhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/6011?threaded=1&p=16
Leo on J Melcherhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/345
On Melcher in Re: Bolger Chinese Gaff Sail---MORE?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/15833?
threaded=1&p=14
On Jim Melcherhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/15834
J Melcher's once only comment in Reply to Don Taylor, regarding junk conversion
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/3339
Messages in this topic (4)
________________________________________________________________________
2b. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
Posted by: "c.ruzer"c.ruzer@...c.ruzer
Date: Wed Feb 29, 2012 11:57 pm ((PST))
May a broken string floating out upon the waters enlighten?
Leo's TARA launch somehow missed last year. Congratulations!
Name changed? Anyone know how things are proving? Whereabouts to now? North Sea?
http://www.leow.de/
http://www.leow.de/index.html
-----------------------------------------------------------
Leo in Bolger, AS29, Seabird, etc.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1253
PCB in Leo's Junk rigged,leeboard AS-29http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1256
Leo in AS29 and related topicshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1856?l=1
et al in leeboards and seaworthinesshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/9970
PCB on Leo Altering AS29 design; Ripping-off; Copying; Clones; in Wished it weren't sohttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1659
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/files/Twilight/
http://www.boatdesign.com/tbird2.htm
http://www.boatdesign.com/tomboy/pages/junkboy.htm
Tanton Twin: #980 30' Ply/glass. Sp. * Sea-Egret. Ultra shallow draft. Junk rigged cruiser. Loa.31'0"xLwl 28'0"x8'0"xDraft 13"/4'6"x8500lbs. SA.600sq/ft. http://www.tantonyachts.com/images10.htm#No. 980
Et al, PCB on AS-29 clone http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1613
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1627?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1649?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1656?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1633?threaded=1
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1690?l=1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1709?threaded=1 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1796?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Rozinante proashttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1836?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Et al on AS29; Romp; in Performance Motorsailing http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/39727?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Et al on Dr. Vincent Reddish http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/42378?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
willers32 et al in Have Plans for AS-29 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/44071
Dear Aunt LM (1) Heaving to in big boxeshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/9271?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Et al in bolgers ocean abilitieshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/7292?threaded=1&p=5
Et al in AS29 = ideal bass boathttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/1869?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
Double Eagle(s), Junebug/sharpie behavior http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1916?l=1
What righttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/9943
Norumphhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/6011?threaded=1&p=16
Leo on J Melcherhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/345
On Melcher in Re: Bolger Chinese Gaff Sail---MORE?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/15833?threaded=1&p=14
On Jim Melcherhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/15834
J Melcher's once only comment in Reply to Don Taylor, regarding junk conversionhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/junkrig/message/3339
Messages in this topic (4)
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2c. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
Posted by: "c.ruzer"c.ruzer@...c.ruzer
Date: Thu Mar 1, 2012 12:28 am ((PST))
> May a broken string floating out upon the waters enlighten?
I sailed it. in Bolger Manatee Chinese Gaff Rig Critique http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/42931
Jim Melcher one time comment (and 2 photos) in fast motor sailerhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/50185
Messages in this topic (4)
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2d. Re: "Has an Advanced Sharpie the Buddha Nature?"
Posted by: "c.ruzer"c.ruzer@...c.ruzer
Date: Thu Mar 1, 2012 12:34 am ((PST))
> Jim Melcher one time comment (and 2 photos) in fast motor sailerhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/50185
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/photos/album/1655748741/pic/list
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