Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

I hope you mean leeward.

On 04/23/2012 09:54 PM, Eric wrote:
Anyone who wants to pee standing up on my boat is directed to the windward rail where it is hoped wind, waves, and Darwin take care of things.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Susanne:
>
> How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the
> forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give
> "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally
> adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a
> Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square
> boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?
>
> Neal
>

A few thoughts:

The doghouse might look better in Real Life than it appears on the drawings. Perhaps a model might be helpful.

If you replace the doghouse and use the space for a larger tender, you might be able to keep the doghouse functionality - build the tender with Lexan panels so that when the hatch is open there's light and visibility under the tender while standing up. You'd still want a hatch there for when the tender was in use or for heavy weather.

Offhand, I don't think a standard design brick will fit there, but a custom-fit tender designed along the lines of a Brick would be easy to accomplish.

-Derek
I am so confident in my masculinity that I can urinate sitting down!

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <eric14850@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone who wants to pee standing up on my boat is directed to the windward rail where it is hoped wind, waves, and Darwin take care of things. If not I attempt to get him interested in ferrocement as a boat building material.
> Eric
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi, Susanne:
> >
> > How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?
> >
> > Neal
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > > > plans through the mail!
> > > >
> > > > -J
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > **
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > > > >
> > > > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > > > >
> > > > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > > > about.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > > > already.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Neal
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Anyone who wants to pee standing up on my boat is directed to the windward rail where it is hoped wind, waves, and Darwin take care of things. If not I attempt to get him interested in ferrocement as a boat building material.
Eric

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Hi, Susanne:
>
> How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?
>
> Neal
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> > >
> > > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > > plans through the mail!
> > >
> > > -J
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > > >
> > > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > > about.
> > > >
> > > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > > already.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Just keep the mortar-bag out of the rain until the time comes...
----- Original Message -----
From:Andrew
Sent:Monday, April 23, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 

<snip> Susanne A: "are quite a ways into the construction-project, and therefore subject to cycles of reconsideration."

I like Susanne's wisdom. In my own Chebacco 25 build I have considered many changes, alterations and improvements, some suggested by Susanne and others borrowed from other boat designs. In the end Phil's reasoning becomes apparent and many of the changes don't work or aren't as good as the original design.

However, the process of building a boat is a long one so you have time to think things through, work out problems and make improvements as you go along (Susanne's "cycles of reconsideration"). You don't have to decide if you want to build the house or not right now, decide later.

Andrew

https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/

<snip> Susanne A: "are quite a ways into the construction-project, and therefore subject to cycles of reconsideration."

I like Susanne's wisdom. In my own Chebacco 25 build I have considered many changes, alterations and improvements, some suggested by Susanne and others borrowed from other boat designs. In the end Phil's reasoning becomes apparent and many of the changes don't work or aren't as good as the original design.

However, the process of building a boat is a long one so you have time to think things through, work out problems and make improvements as you go along (Susanne's "cycles of reconsideration"). You don't have to decide if you want to build the house or not right now, decide later.

Andrew

https://sites.google.com/site/warrandytewoodenboat/
I would be very careful changing that dog house design. You may not like the looks of it iff it is the only thing you are looking at. It's been my Experience that Mr. Bolger probably put that square box up there because it fit into the design and theory behind the boat. You could put a finely shaped cabin designed for an Alden yawl and it would be attracive in itself.  Still it might look pretty silly setting on top an Advanced sharpie. A submarine conning tower don't look bad on a submarine but standing alone it's pretty funny looking.  When I built Wolftrap I was tempted to put a cabin on Her.  I talked to Bolger and he said that a cabin would not look good on her clipper bow and so I built several mock ups in cheap plywood and he was absolutely right.  I think he is right on the AS 29 as well.  The square box fits the boat perfectly and like the rest of the her is very practical and easy to build.  I remeber seeing a home built Chesapeake bay type boat that was built in that tradition but then the builder put topsides on her that looked a lot like a Criscraft it was the silliest looking thin I ever saw.    Be careful,           Doug



On 04/23/2012 07:49 AM, Neal Sandidge wrote:

Susanne:

OK, won't do the ferro, but there is no way I'm gonna put that ugly doghouse over the head!  Can I fit a Brick up there?

Neal

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
From:philbolger@...
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:40:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

I take the ferro-cement idea to be expressed in jest...
I'd study the plans and let them 'sink in'.  Good thing that issues such as dinghy or even headrooom over the head are quite a ways into the construction-project, and therefore subject to cycles of reconsideration.

On the headroom his is a good look-out in ugly weather to check groundtackle via ports or just take a quick look-round should you be lost in reverie 'sitting' and an odd noise alerts you...

I'd even consider the extra labor of 'knocking off' the forward corners of the given dink to get the most stability and carrying capacity per foot-print on deck.
Susanne

----- Original Message -----
Sent:Monday, April 23, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

I would not use ferro cement. Lots of reasons:brittle, fracture prone, wire core rusts out, weight differences etc. The ply as specified is plenty strong and easier to repair.


The doghouse over the head can go, we did not build it. You can then leave out the extra layers of plywood around the main mast. Sitting "head" room is adequate and if you really must stand, open the hatch.

Yes you can stow a dinghy on deck. We carried a nice little pram there.


Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G



sandidgeneal<nsandidge@...>wrote:



Hi, Susanne:

How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal"<nsandidge@...>wrote:
>
>
> Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > plans through the mail!
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > >
> > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>




A thought.  Ferrocement is a one shot deal start to finish.  My dad built a 38 foot cutter years ago using the ferrocement technique but instead of cement he used polyester resin and volcanic ash mixed 5 gallons at a time and slathered on just like ferro.  Instead of chicken wire he used a product that was stainless steel wire five wires running parallel held apart by thin copper wires.  The boat was stout!

Steve

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 4:49 AM, sandidgeneal<nsandidge@...>wrote:


Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@...> wrote:
>
> It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> plans through the mail!
>
> -J
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> >
> > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > about.
> >
> > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > already.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


Just avoid the mortar...
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Monday, April 23, 2012 7:49 AM
Subject:RE: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 

Susanne:

OK, won't do the ferro, but there is no way I'm gonna put that ugly doghouse over the head!  Can I fit a Brick up there?

Neal

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
From:philbolger@...
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:40:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 
I take the ferro-cement idea to be expressed in jest...
I'd study the plans and let them 'sink in'.  Good thing that issues such as dinghy or even headrooom over the head are quite a ways into the construction-project, and therefore subject to cycles of reconsideration.

On the headroom his is a good look-out in ugly weather to check groundtackle via ports or just take a quick look-round should you be lost in reverie 'sitting' and an odd noise alerts you...

I'd even consider the extra labor of 'knocking off' the forward corners of the given dink to get the most stability and carrying capacity per foot-print on deck.
Susanne  

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Monday, April 23, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 

I would not use ferro cement. Lots of reasons:brittle, fracture prone, wire core rusts out, weight differences etc. The ply as specified is plenty strong and easier to repair.


The doghouse over the head can go, we did not build it. You can then leave out the extra layers of plywood around the main mast. Sitting "head" room is adequate and if you really must stand, open the hatch.

Yes you can stow a dinghy on deck. We carried a nice little pram there.


Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G



sandidgeneal <nsandidge@...> wrote:


 


Hi, Susanne:

How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > plans through the mail!
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > >
> > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>


Susanne:

OK, won't do the ferro, but there is no way I'm gonna put that ugly doghouse over the head!  Can I fit a Brick up there?

Neal

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: philbolger@...
Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:40:36 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 
I take the ferro-cement idea to be expressed in jest...
I'd study the plans and let them 'sink in'.  Good thing that issues such as dinghy or even headrooom over the head are quite a ways into the construction-project, and therefore subject to cycles of reconsideration.

On the headroom his is a good look-out in ugly weather to check groundtackle via ports or just take a quick look-round should you be lost in reverie 'sitting' and an odd noise alerts you...

I'd even consider the extra labor of 'knocking off' the forward corners of the given dink to get the most stability and carrying capacity per foot-print on deck.
Susanne  

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Monday, April 23, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 

I would not use ferro cement. Lots of reasons:brittle, fracture prone, wire core rusts out, weight differences etc. The ply as specified is plenty strong and easier to repair.


The doghouse over the head can go, we did not build it. You can then leave out the extra layers of plywood around the main mast. Sitting "head" room is adequate and if you really must stand, open the hatch.

Yes you can stow a dinghy on deck. We carried a nice little pram there.


Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G



sandidgeneal <nsandidge@...> wrote:


 


Hi, Susanne:

How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > plans through the mail!
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > >
> > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>



I take the ferro-cement idea to be expressed in jest...
I'd study the plans and let them 'sink in'.  Good thing that issues such as dinghy or even headrooom over the head are quite a ways into the construction-project, and therefore subject to cycles of reconsideration.

On the headroom his is a good look-out in ugly weather to check groundtackle via ports or just take a quick look-round should you be lost in reverie 'sitting' and an odd noise alerts you...

I'd even consider the extra labor of 'knocking off' the forward corners of the given dink to get the most stability and carrying capacity per foot-print on deck.
Susanne  

 
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Monday, April 23, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: AS 29 plans

 

I would not use ferro cement. Lots of reasons:brittle, fracture prone, wire core rusts out, weight differences etc. The ply as specified is plenty strong and easier to repair.


The doghouse over the head can go, we did not build it. You can then leave out the extra layers of plywood around the main mast. Sitting "head" room is adequate and if you really must stand, open the hatch.

Yes you can stow a dinghy on deck. We carried a nice little pram there.


Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G



sandidgeneal <nsandidge@...> wrote:


 


Hi, Susanne:

How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > plans through the mail!
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > >
> > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

I would not use ferro cement. Lots of reasons:brittle, fracture prone, wire core rusts out, weight differences etc. The ply as specified is plenty strong and easier to repair.

The doghouse over the head can go, we did not build it. You can then leave out the extra layers of plywood around the main mast. Sitting "head" room is adequate and if you really must stand, open the hatch.

Yes you can stow a dinghy on deck. We carried a nice little pram there.


Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G



sandidgeneal <nsandidge@...> wrote:


 


Hi, Susanne:

How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > plans through the mail!
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > >
> > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>

Hi, Susanne:

How do I put this tactfully? I hate the new doghouse over the forward head compartment! I realize that the intent is to give "standing headroom", but I find "shitting headroom" totally adequate. If I forego this, can I carry a larger dink? Perhaps a Big Tortoise or a Brick (are they the same design)? If the square boats are to wide forward, how bout a nymph or Reuben's?

Neal


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
>
> Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.
>
> Neal
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@> wrote:
> >
> > It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> > plans through the mail!
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@> wrote:
> >
> > > **
> > >
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> > > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> > >
> > > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > > about.
> > >
> > > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > > already.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > David
> > >
> > > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > > >
> > > > Neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Whoo-hoo! Plans are here. Now I will spend a month studying them to see what changes I want to make. Am considering building out of ferrocement because I have a few sacks of concrete left over from an old patio project. Also, leaning towards outriggers. Or maybe I'll just build it exactly to plans. Really too close to call.

Neal

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Jay Bazuzi <jay@...> wrote:
>
> It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send
> plans through the mail!
>
> -J
>
> On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David <dir_cobb@...> wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Neal
> >
> > Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are
> > sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed
> > when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the
> > post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while
> > Paysons came through as a standard envelope.
> >
> > Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking
> > about.
> >
> > I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so
> > already.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > David
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy
> > plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago.
> > There is a parable in there somewhere!
> > >
> > > Neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
It seems so archaic, in these days of interconnected computers, to send plans through the mail!

-J

On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 5:58 PM, David<dir_cobb@...>wrote:

Neal

Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while Paysons came through as a standard envelope.

Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking about.

I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so already.

Best regards,

David


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
> Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!
>
> Neal
>


Neal

Not surprised. Payson has plans printed ready for shipment and they are sent folded in an envelope by standard mail. Susanne ships plans printed when you order them, rolled in a tube. At least, when I bought plans, the post office handled Susannes as a package that went through customs, while Paysons came through as a standard envelope.

Both systems are respectively suited to the type of plan we are talking about.

I would also recommend you buy Payson's books if you have not done so already.

Best regards,


David




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
> Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!
>
> Neal
>
Well, sometimes (??!) I am slow on the uptake...
Susanne
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Sunday, April 22, 2012 6:11 PM
Subject:RE: [bolger] AS 29 plans

 

Hi Susanne:

I'm not worried.  Because of customs charge differences, I have exclusively used parcel post as my shipper, sending tens of thousands of dollars worth of goods through the mail and never lost an item.  Usually it takes about 3 weeks from the US, but occasionally about 6 weeks.  Just thought it was ironic that the lowly Tortoise beat the AS29!

Neal

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: philbolger@...
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:28:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] AS 29 plans

 
Neal
I find these delays puzzling indeed.  Recently plans and video went separately to Norway, with one arriving within a week and the other (seemingly) lost for a few extra nail-biting weeks...??
Let me know when they finally show up.

On the rudder matter, we could discuss details once you have the plans.
Susanne
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:[bolger] AS 29 plans

 

Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!

Neal


Hi Susanne:

I'm not worried.  Because of customs charge differences, I have exclusively used parcel post as my shipper, sending tens of thousands of dollars worth of goods through the mail and never lost an item.  Usually it takes about 3 weeks from the US, but occasionally about 6 weeks.  Just thought it was ironic that the lowly Tortoise beat the AS29!

Neal

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: philbolger@...
Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 12:28:58 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] AS 29 plans

 
Neal
I find these delays puzzling indeed.  Recently plans and video went separately to Norway, with one arriving within a week and the other (seemingly) lost for a few extra nail-biting weeks...??
Let me know when they finally show up.

On the rudder matter, we could discuss details once you have the plans.
Susanne
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:[bolger] AS 29 plans

 

Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!

Neal


Neal
I find these delays puzzling indeed.  Recently plans and video went separately to Norway, with one arriving within a week and the other (seemingly) lost for a few extra nail-biting weeks...??
Let me know when they finally show up.

On the rudder matter, we could discuss details once you have the plans.
Susanne
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Sunday, April 22, 2012 7:17 AM
Subject:[bolger] AS 29 plans

 

Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!

Neal

If you build the AS29 you have to give it a rabbit related name.


Justin




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sandidgeneal" <nsandidge@...> wrote:
>
> Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!
>
> Neal
>
Still anxiously awaiting my AS 29 plans. However, the Tortoise dinghy plans that I ordered from Payson, Inc. 4 days after arrived a week ago. There is a parable in there somewhere!

Neal