Re: Sneakeasy, how easy?
Several weeks of plan gazing instead of the usual Stephen King, Tony
Hilerman, Frank Dye, or other typical bedtime reading is a smart idea
(though the latter is highly recommended for anyone with small boat cruising
in mind). Temper the plan gazing with regular readings from Build the New
Instant Boats. This activity might draw some complaints from whoever you
share a bed with (lots of paper rattling and occasional light blocking from
large sheets of paper), but it all pays off in the end.
If you've NEVER built a boat before, I emphatically endorse the advice to
build a smaller (simpler) boat before tackling Sneakeasy. No matter how good
a job you do on your first boat, you'll do even better on the 2nd. Brick
proponants are giving good advice, but I would urge you to consider...(at
this point other regulars on this list are rolling their eyes and saying
something like "No! Don't tell me! Let me guess. He's going to suggest June
Bug!") Well, yes. In fact that's exactly what I was going to suggest. Not
because Brick isn't a totally wonderful vessel that embodies the purest of
Bolger principles, but because June Bug involves bending butt jointed, plumb
cut side panels around fixed frames in much the same "traditional instant
boat" fashion as Sneakeasy. They have much in common. Its a very natural
progression. Look at the pictures and study plans in "New Instant Boats" and
see what you think. With respect to available written guidance, you'll find
no better step by step instruction than Gregg's Sneakeasy site.
jeb,on the shores of Fundy, still driving to work with Gypsy on the roof
Hilerman, Frank Dye, or other typical bedtime reading is a smart idea
(though the latter is highly recommended for anyone with small boat cruising
in mind). Temper the plan gazing with regular readings from Build the New
Instant Boats. This activity might draw some complaints from whoever you
share a bed with (lots of paper rattling and occasional light blocking from
large sheets of paper), but it all pays off in the end.
If you've NEVER built a boat before, I emphatically endorse the advice to
build a smaller (simpler) boat before tackling Sneakeasy. No matter how good
a job you do on your first boat, you'll do even better on the 2nd. Brick
proponants are giving good advice, but I would urge you to consider...(at
this point other regulars on this list are rolling their eyes and saying
something like "No! Don't tell me! Let me guess. He's going to suggest June
Bug!") Well, yes. In fact that's exactly what I was going to suggest. Not
because Brick isn't a totally wonderful vessel that embodies the purest of
Bolger principles, but because June Bug involves bending butt jointed, plumb
cut side panels around fixed frames in much the same "traditional instant
boat" fashion as Sneakeasy. They have much in common. Its a very natural
progression. Look at the pictures and study plans in "New Instant Boats" and
see what you think. With respect to available written guidance, you'll find
no better step by step instruction than Gregg's Sneakeasy site.
jeb,on the shores of Fundy, still driving to work with Gypsy on the roof
Paul
I have had experience in cabinet making and home construction and design and
have just finished a Brick (Das Box). It is definitely an 8 foot boat (looks
good from 8 feet ;) Building a Brick will give you practice in reading an
inturpation of blueprints. Bolger's drawings are clear but they are not a
step by step guide. It would also help if you get a copy of H.H. Payson's
book "The New Instant Boat" Payson's book gives step by step instructions on
building several boats alone with the drawings. This will help you if you
have no experience in building from prints. There is nothing like building
your own boat and the Sneakeasy while large is not that complicated. Get
going and Good Luck
Michael Surface Now Boating :)
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I have had experience in cabinet making and home construction and design and
have just finished a Brick (Das Box). It is definitely an 8 foot boat (looks
good from 8 feet ;) Building a Brick will give you practice in reading an
inturpation of blueprints. Bolger's drawings are clear but they are not a
step by step guide. It would also help if you get a copy of H.H. Payson's
book "The New Instant Boat" Payson's book gives step by step instructions on
building several boats alone with the drawings. This will help you if you
have no experience in building from prints. There is nothing like building
your own boat and the Sneakeasy while large is not that complicated. Get
going and Good Luck
Michael Surface Now Boating :)
>From: GHC <ghartc@...>________________________________________________________________________
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Sneakeasy, how easy?
>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 12:04:40 -0500
>
>I would advise you to build a little Brick for practice, but, no, you don't
>really need to know a lot to do it. However, your second boat will be
>prettier than your first.
>
>Someone once rated boats in feet - not length - but how far back you have
>to stand to make it look pretty.
>
>The detail will seem sketchy; EVERYTHING you need to know structural is
>there, but you'll work out the finishing details yourself. Once you get to
>those stages, though, you'll know what to do. For instance, the dashboard
>on my boat is completely improvised. Gives you plenty of things to think
>about while you drift off to sleep, maybe even frustrate you a little.
>
>Regards, Gregg Carlson
>
>
>At 04:44 PM 8/21/2000 -0000, you wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
> >handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
> >Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
> >much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
> >Bolger.
> >Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
> >making) experience before I dive head first into this?
> >Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
> >comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
> >
> >Keen but worried, Paul
>
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Hello Paul,
Bolger's plans for ply boats like SNEAKEASY come with the
curved panel dimensions expanded out so you can lay them out
on a flat sheet and it will have the proper shape when bent to the
curve. In other words, no complicated lofting. Just draw the
section lines perpendicular to the edge of the sheet, mark the
distance from the edge at each station, drive some nails at the
marks and spring a long batten around them to draw the curve.
There is a sheet or two of instructions mainly dealing with the
sequence of steps. Nothing about the actual skills needed for
working with wood, fiberglass, or epoxy.
I would at least get H.H. Payson's book, BUILD THE NEW
INSTANT BOATS at the bookstore or your local library. Some of
the marine epoxy suppliers send good information along with
each order. Others have instructional books and videos for sale.
The best epoxy info I have found was in a series of three articles
in BOATBUILDER magazine (July/August 99, Sept./Oct. 99,
Nov./Dec. 99) written by professional boatbuilder and designer,
Renn Tolman.
Finally, the suggestion to build something smaller first is a good
idea. I started with a Bolger TORTOISE. It is a great little boat. I
haul it in my pickup most of the summer and use it for rowing
around small lakes and the harbor. I am currently building a
Bolger DAKOTA which is similar to SNEAKEASY but scaled up to
38ft.
Vince Chew
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Paul Prebianca"
<paul_prebianca@n...> wrote:
Bolger's plans for ply boats like SNEAKEASY come with the
curved panel dimensions expanded out so you can lay them out
on a flat sheet and it will have the proper shape when bent to the
curve. In other words, no complicated lofting. Just draw the
section lines perpendicular to the edge of the sheet, mark the
distance from the edge at each station, drive some nails at the
marks and spring a long batten around them to draw the curve.
There is a sheet or two of instructions mainly dealing with the
sequence of steps. Nothing about the actual skills needed for
working with wood, fiberglass, or epoxy.
I would at least get H.H. Payson's book, BUILD THE NEW
INSTANT BOATS at the bookstore or your local library. Some of
the marine epoxy suppliers send good information along with
each order. Others have instructional books and videos for sale.
The best epoxy info I have found was in a series of three articles
in BOATBUILDER magazine (July/August 99, Sept./Oct. 99,
Nov./Dec. 99) written by professional boatbuilder and designer,
Renn Tolman.
Finally, the suggestion to build something smaller first is a good
idea. I started with a Bolger TORTOISE. It is a great little boat. I
haul it in my pickup most of the summer and use it for rowing
around small lakes and the harbor. I am currently building a
Bolger DAKOTA which is similar to SNEAKEASY but scaled up to
38ft.
Vince Chew
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Paul Prebianca"
<paul_prebianca@n...> wrote:
> Hi,how
>
> I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
> handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
> Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering
> much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plansfrom
> Bolger.cabinet
> Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or
> making) experience before I dive head first into this?it
> Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when
> comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
>
> Keen but worried, Paul
Buy a gallon of vinagar to clean epoxy off door knobs and light switches, etc. I
hate to admit that I have even cleaned it out of my hair with vinagar as long as
it's wet. Denatured alcohol will also clean up and I've seen the CLC people use a
rag, wet with Denat Alcohol to smooth out fillets when they just start to set up.
Alcohol, obviously evaporates. A residew of vinagar might not be good on surfaces
you plan to epoxy over. Practice is a key word. Clyde
glen_gibson@...wrote:
hate to admit that I have even cleaned it out of my hair with vinagar as long as
it's wet. Denatured alcohol will also clean up and I've seen the CLC people use a
rag, wet with Denat Alcohol to smooth out fillets when they just start to set up.
Alcohol, obviously evaporates. A residew of vinagar might not be good on surfaces
you plan to epoxy over. Practice is a key word. Clyde
glen_gibson@...wrote:
> My 2 cents worth:
>
> I'm halfway through building a Bolger Micro, and so far, no real problems. This
> is my first boat, but I've done other basic woodworking around the house,
> building book cases and the like, nothing fancy. But I can cut a straight line
> and hammer a nail usually without bending it over ;-)
>
> As for the epoxy, I've been coating bulkheads and sides with the stuff, and
> doing some tests. First impressions (I'm using Raka) Stuff works just great.
> Smells a little, I wear an organic resporator ($15 at the hardware store) and
> latex gloves, and so far, so good. If left in the cup, epoxy CAN in warm
> weather set up pretty fast, but just work smart, don't mix too much, and spread
> it out as soon as possible. Also, I generally work in the evenings, and mix my
> epoxy to cure pretty slow, as I won't be working on that piece again until the
> next evening.
>
> One last thing: Buy the plans, and study them! And then study them again, and
> again. It's amazing how I can conceptualize what each step is going to look
> like even before I get there. I pretty much know the Micro piece by piece in my
> mind. Makes moving from step A to step B really easy.
>
> Take care, and JUST DO IT!
>
> Glen
>
> "Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@...> on 08/21/2000 09:44:18 AM
>
> Please respond tobolger@egroups.com
>
> Sent by: "Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@...>
>
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> cc: (Glen Gibson/HQ/3Com)
> Subject: [bolger] Sneakeasy, how easy?
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
> handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
> Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
> much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
> Bolger.
> Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
> making) experience before I dive head first into this?
> Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
> comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
>
> Keen but worried, Paul
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
My 2 cents worth:
I'm halfway through building a Bolger Micro, and so far, no real problems. This
is my first boat, but I've done other basic woodworking around the house,
building book cases and the like, nothing fancy. But I can cut a straight line
and hammer a nail usually without bending it over ;-)
As for the epoxy, I've been coating bulkheads and sides with the stuff, and
doing some tests. First impressions (I'm using Raka) Stuff works just great.
Smells a little, I wear an organic resporator ($15 at the hardware store) and
latex gloves, and so far, so good. If left in the cup, epoxy CAN in warm
weather set up pretty fast, but just work smart, don't mix too much, and spread
it out as soon as possible. Also, I generally work in the evenings, and mix my
epoxy to cure pretty slow, as I won't be working on that piece again until the
next evening.
One last thing: Buy the plans, and study them! And then study them again, and
again. It's amazing how I can conceptualize what each step is going to look
like even before I get there. I pretty much know the Micro piece by piece in my
mind. Makes moving from step A to step B really easy.
Take care, and JUST DO IT!
Glen
"Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@...> on 08/21/2000 09:44:18 AM
Please respond tobolger@egroups.com
Sent by: "Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com
cc: (Glen Gibson/HQ/3Com)
Subject: [bolger] Sneakeasy, how easy?
Hi,
I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
Bolger.
Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
making) experience before I dive head first into this?
Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
Keen but worried, Paul
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
I'm halfway through building a Bolger Micro, and so far, no real problems. This
is my first boat, but I've done other basic woodworking around the house,
building book cases and the like, nothing fancy. But I can cut a straight line
and hammer a nail usually without bending it over ;-)
As for the epoxy, I've been coating bulkheads and sides with the stuff, and
doing some tests. First impressions (I'm using Raka) Stuff works just great.
Smells a little, I wear an organic resporator ($15 at the hardware store) and
latex gloves, and so far, so good. If left in the cup, epoxy CAN in warm
weather set up pretty fast, but just work smart, don't mix too much, and spread
it out as soon as possible. Also, I generally work in the evenings, and mix my
epoxy to cure pretty slow, as I won't be working on that piece again until the
next evening.
One last thing: Buy the plans, and study them! And then study them again, and
again. It's amazing how I can conceptualize what each step is going to look
like even before I get there. I pretty much know the Micro piece by piece in my
mind. Makes moving from step A to step B really easy.
Take care, and JUST DO IT!
Glen
"Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@...> on 08/21/2000 09:44:18 AM
Please respond tobolger@egroups.com
Sent by: "Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@...>
To:bolger@egroups.com
cc: (Glen Gibson/HQ/3Com)
Subject: [bolger] Sneakeasy, how easy?
Hi,
I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
Bolger.
Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
making) experience before I dive head first into this?
Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
Keen but worried, Paul
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
I would advise you to build a little Brick for practice, but, no, you don't
really need to know a lot to do it. However, your second boat will be
prettier than your first.
Someone once rated boats in feet - not length - but how far back you have
to stand to make it look pretty.
The detail will seem sketchy; EVERYTHING you need to know structural is
there, but you'll work out the finishing details yourself. Once you get to
those stages, though, you'll know what to do. For instance, the dashboard
on my boat is completely improvised. Gives you plenty of things to think
about while you drift off to sleep, maybe even frustrate you a little.
Regards, Gregg Carlson
At 04:44 PM 8/21/2000 -0000, you wrote:
really need to know a lot to do it. However, your second boat will be
prettier than your first.
Someone once rated boats in feet - not length - but how far back you have
to stand to make it look pretty.
The detail will seem sketchy; EVERYTHING you need to know structural is
there, but you'll work out the finishing details yourself. Once you get to
those stages, though, you'll know what to do. For instance, the dashboard
on my boat is completely improvised. Gives you plenty of things to think
about while you drift off to sleep, maybe even frustrate you a little.
Regards, Gregg Carlson
At 04:44 PM 8/21/2000 -0000, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
>handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
>Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
>much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
>Bolger.
>Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
>making) experience before I dive head first into this?
>Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
>comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
>
>Keen but worried, Paul
---Dear Mr Paul Mr Bolger I belive is the best there is to design a
boat a n average handy man can build when he speaks of builting the
Wyoming (a sneekeasy doubled in size) in a day from two tons of
plywood bu a group of people who know what they are doing I belive
him. a word on epoxie use a resperater. I'm not sensitive to it in
getting rashes but the two time i've used it I had a chemical hand
over for three days. felt like I'd been hit in the head with a pipe.
good luck
Jef
Inbolger@egroups.com, "Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@n...> wrote:
boat a n average handy man can build when he speaks of builting the
Wyoming (a sneekeasy doubled in size) in a day from two tons of
plywood bu a group of people who know what they are doing I belive
him. a word on epoxie use a resperater. I'm not sensitive to it in
getting rashes but the two time i've used it I had a chemical hand
over for three days. felt like I'd been hit in the head with a pipe.
good luck
Jef
Inbolger@egroups.com, "Paul Prebianca" <paul_prebianca@n...> wrote:
> Hi,how
>
> I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
> handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
> Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering
> much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans fromit
> Bolger.
> Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
> making) experience before I dive head first into this?
> Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when
> comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
>
> Keen but worri
Hi,
I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
Bolger.
Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
making) experience before I dive head first into this?
Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
Keen but worried, Paul
I've just recently discovered that it is possible for the average
handy guy (me) to biuld a great looking boat (Sneakeasy).
Having reviewed fritz's & Carlson's websites, I got to wondering how
much detail and biulding sequence info there is in the plans from
Bolger.
Can anyone tell me if I need some kind of boat building (or cabinet
making) experience before I dive head first into this?
Also, never having epoxied anything, will I get into trouble when it
comes time to apply the fibre & epoxy?
Keen but worried, Paul