Re: Folding Brigantine ........maybe

Those racing sharpies from Parker's book (which are straight out of
Chapelle's books) were raced in exactly the same manner as the
Chesapeake racing log canoes; that is, with a very large crew and long
hiking boards to counter-balance the large sail area. The sharpies
would probably be faster than the canoes in a good breeze, as they may
be able to plane. The canoes would probably do better in light airs
due to their rounded hull form, with a little less wetted area. But,
somebody build one, and we'll race 'em and find out. I'll volunteer to
crew on one.

Bob
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On Tuesday, June 5, 2012, at 09:22 AM,bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:

> 1a. Re: Folding Brigantine ........maybe
> Posted by: "Peter"pvanderwaart@...pvanderwaart
> Date: Mon Jun 4, 2012 1:29 pm ((PDT))
>
>> Hi, I've got my hands on a copy of "The Sharpie Book" by
>> Reuel B Parker, and found on page 156, a racing sharpie
>> complete with square course and top sails on the fore mast, ...
>
> If I were to be so antic as to turbo a Folding Schooner, I'd have a
> look at the Chesapeake Bay log canoes. The two kinds of boats share
> come characteristics such as narrow beam and limited stability. Of
> course the log canoes have large crews with hiking boards...
>
> They don't use a square sail, but they do fly some exotic topsails.
Well the light schooner almost fits that bills. It flies over the water. It's my favorite of phil's small boats.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
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On Jun 4, 2012, at 3:29 PM, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:

 

> Hi, I've got my hands on a copy of "The Sharpie Book" by
> Reuel B Parker, and found on page 156, a racing sharpie
> complete with square course and top sails on the fore mast, ...

If I were to be so antic as to turbo a Folding Schooner, I'd have a look at the Chesapeake Bay log canoes. The two kinds of boats share come characteristics such as narrow beam and limited stability. Of course the log canoes have large crews with hiking boards...

They don't use a square sail, but they do fly some exotic topsails.

> Hi, I've got my hands on a copy of "The Sharpie Book" by
> Reuel B Parker, and found on page 156, a racing sharpie
> complete with square course and top sails on the fore mast, ...

If I were to be so antic as to turbo a Folding Schooner, I'd have a look at the Chesapeake Bay log canoes. The two kinds of boats share come characteristics such as narrow beam and limited stability. Of course the log canoes have large crews with hiking boards...

They don't use a square sail, but they do fly some exotic topsails.
Agreed...... Still the folding schooner has eclectic charm.

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Nor does a sharpie need so much drive. Tall ships are MUCH heavier and they displace so much water they need the extra drive to be competitive (thinking war ships here, not racing). A sharpie when brought to _cruising_ speed planes somewhat, and doesn't need all that drive to achieve good speeds. If you want taller mast, you'll need to increase your displacement, but that would defeat the whole purpose of the sharpie.

I like the light schooner (which isn't really a sharpie, but sharpie like anyway) because it cruises with very low aspect rigging. Beside I like gaff rigged schooners...a lot.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
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On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:49 PM, zeke Duge <zeked@...> wrote:

 

Not sure that you want more driveup high in a sharpie...... If you look at modelsof clipper ships the vast amount ofbulk isbelow water line.

Zeke

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Not sure that you want more driveup high in a sharpie...... If you look at modelsof clipper ships the vast amount ofbulk isbelow water line.

Zeke

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I'd say that depends on whether it's really in shadow or not. You just need some leading edge to catch wind and fill up a sail.

Look at those oversized genoas as an example. They come straight behind the mains'l but they still fill up with wind.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
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On Jun 3, 2012, at 5:30 PM, "kevin" <lordborrolan@...> wrote:

 

Hi, I've got my hands on a copy of "The Sharpie Book" by Reule B Parker, and found on page 156, a racing sharpie complete with square course and top sails on the fore mast, not sure how effective it would be tho because at least some of it is in shadow from the other sails rigged, but does anyone think it might be interesting at least to try it...............or not. Kev

Hi, I've got my hands on a copy of "The Sharpie Book" by Reule B Parker, and found on page 156, a racing sharpie complete with square course and top sails on the fore mast, not sure how effective it would be tho because at least some of it is in shadow from the other sails rigged, but does anyone think it might be interesting at least to try it...............or not. Kev