RE: [bolger] Re: 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
When I first had my Micro, it did not have the baffles at fore and aft ventilation openings. I took a group of family for a ride on the lake under outboard power, and when we cruised into some wakes, I happened to see solid water coming through the forward vent, a brief waterfall. The little boat with so much rocker is liable to trim down by the bow if you have some people forward. That was a warning to me, and I quickly built the baffles, to plan. ---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfBrian
Sent:Friday, July 20, 2012 5:39 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
I have a classic Micro, which will FINALLY be back in the water shortly. It has the standard flotation (I think: aft quarters of the cargo hold and fwd under the anchor well), and has the double thickness bottom of 1/2". I think it could use a little more when going into rough conditions, but there will usually be various plastic boxes that, when secured, will add some flotation, unless ridiculously packed.
In bad conditions, I'd probably worry first about the two ventilators, which have no closures at the moment. I doubt it will be a problem for the gentle sailing I intend to do this season.
A Micro may not be an ocean-crosser, but I think it's a brilliant design for reasonable coastal and such.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Keel mono hulls that don't have floatation sink when water comes in. The
> idea is to keep the water from coming in. Micro is just as vulnerable to
> this as any other boat. The J 24 is a large one design small racing keel
> mono hull. Google "J 24 sinking", lots of them have sunk.
>
> HJ
>
> On 7/19/2012 7:10 AM, Robb wrote:
> >
> >
> > As I understood the story.....the boats weren't being put on their
> > side.....waves were splashing water in and the boat just went under. Robb
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/19/2012 11:01 AM, Adirondack Goodboat wrote:
> >>
> >> That's a valuable contribution from Bruce, as always. In suggesting
> >> that the Micro could be put on her side, I was thinking that this can
> >> happen to her more by very severe ocean wave action tossing her
> >> sideways, her keel and chine digging in and tripping her, than by
> >> wind force as such.
> >>
> >> According to some wonderfully enlightening stuff in The Sailmaker's
> >> Apprentice (whose author gives Phil Bolger a run for the money in
> >> explaining the qualities of different rigs), the main reason boats
> >> round up in gusts (and not just yawls) is that when they heel, the
> >> sails' center of effort is so far outboard of the lateral resistance.
> >> Standard Micros take a lot to make them heel very much. Bruce has the
> >> Navigator, with the Chinese gaff, I believe, and can have way more
> >> sail up than I can with the plain Micro.
> >>
> >> He's probably right too about holing being a greater danger than
> >> swamping. I am of the tentative opinion that fiberglass would be of
> >> more use on the inside of the bottom than the outside. Its strength
> >> in tension would do far more to prevent puncture there, I think.
> >>
> >> But not both inside and outside, as was done to George Anger's
> >> Whalewatcher and ruined it utterly.
> >>
> >> *From:*bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] *On
> >> Behalf Of *BruceHallman
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:34 AM
> >> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Adirondack Goodboat
> >> <goodboat@... <mailto:goodboat%40frontiernet.net>> wrote:
> >> > It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, in
> >> > conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point
> >> they would
> >> > have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open,
> >> though, they
> >> > would fill,
> >>
> >> Owning a Micro Navigator, I am not sure I agree with the above.
> >>
> >> It is possible to have too much sail up and get hit by a strong gust.
> >> (I have done that!) What happens is that the geometry of the Cat Yawl
> >> rig puts a tremendous force that spins the hull head up into the wind.
> >> There is also some force that makes the boat heel over, and this
> >> serves to release the hold of the rudder on the water, which simply
> >> accelerates the heading up process.
> >>
> >> I cannot imagine the hatches (located on centerline) ever reaching
> >> water to flood.
> >>
> >> The case where I think the positive flotation would come into play
> >> would be if you hit something submerged and poke a hole in the hull.
> >>
> >> The Micro Navigator seaworthiness gets weak in really strong winds
> >> simply because her natural tendency is to heave-to. So, if you were
> >> beating off of lee shore you might not make the headway you need.
> >> (That said, she draws only 14" of water, so you would run aground and
> >> walk away upon that hard chance.)
> >>
> >> For best comparison look to the Bolger steel design Col. HG Hassler.
> >> Paraphrasing from the PB&F writeup, she can withstand anything, up to
> >> and including being run over and dragged full length under a super
> >> tanker. The MicroNav, being wood, might break up, but has the same
> >> buoyancy curves as the HG Hassler.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
In bad conditions, I'd probably worry first about the two ventilators, which have no closures at the moment. I doubt it will be a problem for the gentle sailing I intend to do this season.
A Micro may not be an ocean-crosser, but I think it's a brilliant design for reasonable coastal and such.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Harry James <welshman@...> wrote:
>
> Keel mono hulls that don't have floatation sink when water comes in. The
> idea is to keep the water from coming in. Micro is just as vulnerable to
> this as any other boat. The J 24 is a large one design small racing keel
> mono hull. Google "J 24 sinking", lots of them have sunk.
>
> HJ
>
> On 7/19/2012 7:10 AM, Robb wrote:
> >
> >
> > As I understood the story.....the boats weren't being put on their
> > side.....waves were splashing water in and the boat just went under. Robb
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/19/2012 11:01 AM, Adirondack Goodboat wrote:
> >>
> >> That's a valuable contribution from Bruce, as always. In suggesting
> >> that the Micro could be put on her side, I was thinking that this can
> >> happen to her more by very severe ocean wave action tossing her
> >> sideways, her keel and chine digging in and tripping her, than by
> >> wind force as such.
> >>
> >> According to some wonderfully enlightening stuff in The Sailmaker's
> >> Apprentice (whose author gives Phil Bolger a run for the money in
> >> explaining the qualities of different rigs), the main reason boats
> >> round up in gusts (and not just yawls) is that when they heel, the
> >> sails' center of effort is so far outboard of the lateral resistance.
> >> Standard Micros take a lot to make them heel very much. Bruce has the
> >> Navigator, with the Chinese gaff, I believe, and can have way more
> >> sail up than I can with the plain Micro.
> >>
> >> He's probably right too about holing being a greater danger than
> >> swamping. I am of the tentative opinion that fiberglass would be of
> >> more use on the inside of the bottom than the outside. Its strength
> >> in tension would do far more to prevent puncture there, I think.
> >>
> >> But not both inside and outside, as was done to George Anger's
> >> Whalewatcher and ruined it utterly.
> >>
> >> *From:*bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] *On
> >> Behalf Of *BruceHallman
> >> *Sent:* Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:34 AM
> >> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> *Subject:* Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Adirondack Goodboat
> >> <goodboat@... <mailto:goodboat%40frontiernet.net>> wrote:
> >> > It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, in
> >> > conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point
> >> they would
> >> > have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open,
> >> though, they
> >> > would fill,
> >>
> >> Owning a Micro Navigator, I am not sure I agree with the above.
> >>
> >> It is possible to have too much sail up and get hit by a strong gust.
> >> (I have done that!) What happens is that the geometry of the Cat Yawl
> >> rig puts a tremendous force that spins the hull head up into the wind.
> >> There is also some force that makes the boat heel over, and this
> >> serves to release the hold of the rudder on the water, which simply
> >> accelerates the heading up process.
> >>
> >> I cannot imagine the hatches (located on centerline) ever reaching
> >> water to flood.
> >>
> >> The case where I think the positive flotation would come into play
> >> would be if you hit something submerged and poke a hole in the hull.
> >>
> >> The Micro Navigator seaworthiness gets weak in really strong winds
> >> simply because her natural tendency is to heave-to. So, if you were
> >> beating off of lee shore you might not make the headway you need.
> >> (That said, she draws only 14" of water, so you would run aground and
> >> walk away upon that hard chance.)
> >>
> >> For best comparison look to the Bolger steel design Col. HG Hassler.
> >> Paraphrasing from the PB&F writeup, she can withstand anything, up to
> >> and including being run over and dragged full length under a super
> >> tanker. The MicroNav, being wood, might break up, but has the same
> >> buoyancy curves as the HG Hassler.
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
HJ
On 7/19/2012 7:10 AM, Robb wrote:As I understood the story.....the boats weren't being put on their side.....waves were splashing water in and the boat just went under. RobbOn 7/19/2012 11:01 AM, Adirondack Goodboat wrote:That’s a valuable contribution from Bruce, as always. In suggesting that the Micro could be put on her side, I was thinking that this can happen to her more by very severe ocean wave action tossing her sideways, her keel and chine digging in and tripping her, than by wind force as such.
According to some wonderfully enlightening stuff in The Sailmaker’s Apprentice (whose author gives Phil Bolger a run for the money in explaining the qualities of different rigs), the main reason boats round up in gusts (and not just yawls) is that when they heel, the sails’ center of effort is so far outboard of the lateral resistance. Standard Micros take a lot to make them heel very much. Bruce has the Navigator, with the Chinese gaff, I believe, and can have way more sail up than I can with the plain Micro.
He’s probably right too about holing being a greater danger than swamping. I am of the tentative opinion that fiberglass would be of more use on the inside of the bottom than the outside. Its strength in tension would do far more to prevent puncture there, I think.
But not both inside and outside, as was done to George Anger’s Whalewatcher and ruined it utterly.
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfBruceHallman
Sent:Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:34 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Adirondack Goodboat
<goodboat@...> wrote:
> It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, in
> conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point they would
> have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open, though, they
> would fill,
Owning a Micro Navigator, I am not sure I agree with the above.
It is possible to have too much sail up and get hit by a strong gust.
(I have done that!) What happens is that the geometry of the Cat Yawl
rig puts a tremendous force that spins the hull head up into the wind.
There is also some force that makes the boat heel over, and this
serves to release the hold of the rudder on the water, which simply
accelerates the heading up process.
I cannot imagine the hatches (located on centerline) ever reaching
water to flood.
The case where I think the positive flotation would come into play
would be if you hit something submerged and poke a hole in the hull.
The Micro Navigator seaworthiness gets weak in really strong winds
simply because her natural tendency is to heave-to. So, if you were
beating off of lee shore you might not make the headway you need.
(That said, she draws only 14" of water, so you would run aground and
walk away upon that hard chance.)
For best comparison look to the Bolger steel design Col. HG Hassler.
Paraphrasing from the PB&F writeup, she can withstand anything, up to
and including being run over and dragged full length under a super
tanker. The MicroNav, being wood, might break up, but has the same
buoyancy curves as the HG Hassler.
I got knocked down once in Micro and popped right back up. The water did not get anywhere near the centerline. In fact it didn’t ship enough water to be noticeable. When you are over that far you have the ballast a couple feet out of the water. You would have to be out in conditions that could roll the boat to have a problem. With specified floatation Micro will still float when swamped.
MylesJ
That’s a valuable contribution from Bruce, as always. In suggesting that the Micro could be put on her side, I was thinking that this can happen to her more by very severe ocean wave action tossing her sideways, her keel and chine digging in and tripping her, than by wind force as such.
According to some wonderfully enlightening stuff in The Sailmaker’s Apprentice (whose author gives Phil Bolger a run for the money in explaining the qualities of different rigs), the main reason boats round up in gusts (and not just yawls) is that when they heel, the sails’ center of effort is so far outboard of the lateral resistance. Standard Micros take a lot to make them heel very much. Bruce has the Navigator, with the Chinese gaff, I believe, and can have way more sail up than I can with the plain Micro.
He’s probably right too about holing being a greater danger than swamping. I am of the tentative opinion that fiberglass would be of more use on the inside of the bottom than the outside. Its strength in tension would do far more to prevent puncture there, I think.
But not both inside and outside, as was done to George Anger’s Whalewatcher and ruined it utterly.
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfBruceHallman
Sent:Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:34 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Adirondack Goodboat
<goodboat@...> wrote:
> It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, in
> conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point they would
> have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open, though, they
> would fill,
Owning a Micro Navigator, I am not sure I agree with the above.
It is possible to have too much sail up and get hit by a strong gust.
(I have done that!) What happens is that the geometry of the Cat Yawl
rig puts a tremendous force that spins the hull head up into the wind.
There is also some force that makes the boat heel over, and this
serves to release the hold of the rudder on the water, which simply
accelerates the heading up process.
I cannot imagine the hatches (located on centerline) ever reaching
water to flood.
The case where I think the positive flotation would come into play
would be if you hit something submerged and poke a hole in the hull.
The Micro Navigator seaworthiness gets weak in really strong winds
simply because her natural tendency is to heave-to. So, if you were
beating off of lee shore you might not make the headway you need.
(That said, she draws only 14" of water, so you would run aground and
walk away upon that hard chance.)
For best comparison look to the Bolger steel design Col. HG Hassler.
Paraphrasing from the PB&F writeup, she can withstand anything, up to
and including being run over and dragged full length under a super
tanker. The MicroNav, being wood, might break up, but has the same
buoyancy curves as the HG Hassler.
That’s a valuable contribution from Bruce, as always. In suggesting that the Micro could be put on her side, I was thinking that this can happen to her more by very severe ocean wave action tossing her sideways, her keel and chine digging in and tripping her, than by wind force as such.
According to some wonderfully enlightening stuff in The Sailmaker’s Apprentice (whose author gives Phil Bolger a run for the money in explaining the qualities of different rigs), the main reason boats round up in gusts (and not just yawls) is that when they heel, the sails’ center of effort is so far outboard of the lateral resistance. Standard Micros take a lot to make them heel very much. Bruce has the Navigator, with the Chinese gaff, I believe, and can have way more sail up than I can with the plain Micro.
He’s probably right too about holing being a greater danger than swamping. I am of the tentative opinion that fiberglass would be of more use on the inside of the bottom than the outside. Its strength in tension would do far more to prevent puncture there, I think.
But not both inside and outside, as was done to George Anger’s Whalewatcher and ruined it utterly.
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfBruceHallman
Sent:Thursday, July 19, 2012 10:34 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 5:08 AM, Adirondack Goodboat
<goodboat@...> wrote:
> It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, inOwning a Micro Navigator, I am not sure I agree with the above.
> conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point they would
> have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open, though, they
> would fill,
It is possible to have too much sail up and get hit by a strong gust.
(I have done that!) What happens is that the geometry of the Cat Yawl
rig puts a tremendous force that spins the hull head up into the wind.
There is also some force that makes the boat heel over, and this
serves to release the hold of the rudder on the water, which simply
accelerates the heading up process.
I cannot imagine the hatches (located on centerline) ever reaching
water to flood.
The case where I think the positive flotation would come into play
would be if you hit something submerged and poke a hole in the hull.
The Micro Navigator seaworthiness gets weak in really strong winds
simply because her natural tendency is to heave-to. So, if you were
beating off of lee shore you might not make the headway you need.
(That said, she draws only 14" of water, so you would run aground and
walk away upon that hard chance.)
For best comparison look to the Bolger steel design Col. HG Hassler.
Paraphrasing from the PB&F writeup, she can withstand anything, up to
and including being run over and dragged full length under a super
tanker. The MicroNav, being wood, might break up, but has the same
buoyancy curves as the HG Hassler.
<goodboat@...> wrote:
> It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, inOwning a Micro Navigator, I am not sure I agree with the above.
> conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point they would
> have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open, though, they
> would fill,
It is possible to have too much sail up and get hit by a strong gust.
(I have done that!) What happens is that the geometry of the Cat Yawl
rig puts a tremendous force that spins the hull head up into the wind.
There is also some force that makes the boat heel over, and this
serves to release the hold of the rudder on the water, which simply
accelerates the heading up process.
I cannot imagine the hatches (located on centerline) ever reaching
water to flood.
The case where I think the positive flotation would come into play
would be if you hit something submerged and poke a hole in the hull.
The Micro Navigator seaworthiness gets weak in really strong winds
simply because her natural tendency is to heave-to. So, if you were
beating off of lee shore you might not make the headway you need.
(That said, she draws only 14" of water, so you would run aground and
walk away upon that hard chance.)
For best comparison look to the Bolger steel design Col. HG Hassler.
Paraphrasing from the PB&F writeup, she can withstand anything, up to
and including being run over and dragged full length under a super
tanker. The MicroNav, being wood, might break up, but has the same
buoyancy curves as the HG Hassler.
I would not be surprised if Micros have been built and sailed without their proper flotation. It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, in conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point they would have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open, though, they would fill, and it’s sure true that the lead and engine weight are enough to take them down. Phil told me that he would like to see more flotation than he first specified, some of it higher up, as well as thicker bottoms. I made sure to install the two cubes of foam in the aft corners of the under-cockpit space, and fill the forward well under the flooring, and if I were going out on the ocean I would do more.
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:35 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
Well I've never had one.....and I don't know if true or not....but a few years ago there was a story of a couple of them that went down in water that at the time didn't sound all that bad. Supposedly, the ballast weight causes them to swamp in certain conditions. Like I said , don't know if true or not. Martha Janes also had a problem and that wasn't just a story.......Robb
On 7/18/2012 7:50 PM, Adirondack Goodboat wrote:
Don’t “trust” Micros? I’d say, if built well and to plans, they are the most trustable boat I know. Guaranteed not to get hysterical. I have one as nearly complete that might be a better deal. Micro, not Navigator. And a completed one, both for sale. Trust them!---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:45 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
wow.....I don't really trust micro's but if I were closer I'd buy one
for that money.......doesn't look too bad........Robb
On 7/18/2012 3:33 PM, bruce_mccaskey wrote:
>http://littlerock.craigslist.org/boa/3130613158.html
>
> not mine, I just saw it on the intertubes.
>
>
>
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I love that story too. Phil had a twinkle in his eye. ReadSchorpioen.
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfMark Albanese
Sent:Thursday, July 19, 2012 1:13 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
I'm always amused by Phil's storyThe Lovers, where the couple take a Mediterranean bath afloat by half filling their Micro. Hardly fazed the pounds per inch immersion.
I would not be surprised if Micros have been built and sailed without their proper flotation. It is so hard to imagine them put on their sides, in conditions anyone would expect to sail them in, and at that point they would have great righting moment. If companionway or hatch were open, though, they would fill, and it’s sure true that the lead and engine weight are enough to take them down. Phil told me that he would like to see more flotation than he first specified, some of it higher up, as well as thicker bottoms. I made sure to install the two cubes of foam in the aft corners of the under-cockpit space, and fill the forward well under the flooring, and if I were going out on the ocean I would do more.
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:35 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
Well I've never had one.....and I don't know if true or not....but a few years ago there was a story of a couple of them that went down in water that at the time didn't sound all that bad. Supposedly, the ballast weight causes them to swamp in certain conditions. Like I said , don't know if true or not. Martha Janes also had a problem and that wasn't just a story.......Robb
On 7/18/2012 7:50 PM, Adirondack Goodboat wrote:
Don’t “trust” Micros? I’d say, if built well and to plans, they are the most trustable boat I know. Guaranteed not to get hysterical. I have one as nearly complete that might be a better deal. Micro, not Navigator. And a completed one, both for sale. Trust them!---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:45 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
wow.....I don't really trust micro's but if I were closer I'd buy one
for that money.......doesn't look too bad........Robb
On 7/18/2012 3:33 PM, bruce_mccaskey wrote:
>http://littlerock.craigslist.org/boa/3130613158.html
>
> not mine, I just saw it on the intertubes.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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>
> Well I've never had one.....and I don't know if true or not....butNOT TRUE
> a few years ago there was a story of a couple of them that went
> down in water that at the time didn't sound all that bad. Supposedly, the ballast weight causes them to swamp in certain
> conditions.
> Like I said , don't know if true or not.
> Martha Janes also had a problem and that wasn'tWAS MOSTLY STORY - SUPER EXAGGERATED by blathering merchants of doubt on the interwebby. Actually was mostly skipper at fault not the design. You can read a lot of that, and a lot about that in these archives. Upgraded afterward to make idiot proof - well, mostly...
> just a story.......Robb
"If you can't convince them, confuse them." Harry S. Truman
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
On Jul 18, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Robb <robb@...> wrote:
Well I've never had one.....and I don't know if true or not....but a few years ago there was a story of a couple of them that went down in water that at the time didn't sound all that bad. Supposedly, the ballast weight causes them to swamp in certain conditions. Like I said , don't know if true or not. Martha Janes also had a problem and that wasn't just a story.......Robb
On 7/18/2012 7:50 PM, Adirondack Goodboat wrote:Don’t “trust” Micros? I’d say, if built well and to plans, they are the most trustable boat I know. Guaranteed not to get hysterical. I have one as nearly complete that might be a better deal. Micro, not Navigator. And a completed one, both for sale. Trust them!---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:45 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
wow.....I don't really trust micro's but if I were closer I'd buy one
for that money.......doesn't look too bad........Robb
On 7/18/2012 3:33 PM, bruce_mccaskey wrote:
>http://littlerock.craigslist.org/boa/3130613158.html
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> not mine, I just saw it on the intertubes.
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Don’t “trust” Micros? I’d say, if built well and to plans, they are the most trustable boat I know. Guaranteed not to get hysterical. I have one as nearly complete that might be a better deal. Micro, not Navigator. And a completed one, both for sale. Trust them!---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:45 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
wow.....I don't really trust micro's but if I were closer I'd buy one
for that money.......doesn't look too bad........Robb
On 7/18/2012 3:33 PM, bruce_mccaskey wrote:
>http://littlerock.craigslist.org/boa/3130613158.html
>
> not mine, I just saw it on the intertubes.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
Don’t “trust” Micros? I’d say, if built well and to plans, they are the most trustable boat I know. Guaranteed not to get hysterical. I have one as nearly complete that might be a better deal. Micro, not Navigator. And a completed one, both for sale. Trust them!---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfRobb
Sent:Wednesday, July 18, 2012 3:45 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] 85% complete Navigator, w/trlr, $300 Arkansas
wow.....I don't really trust micro's but if I were closer I'd buy one
for that money.......doesn't look too bad........Robb
On 7/18/2012 3:33 PM, bruce_mccaskey wrote:
>http://littlerock.craigslist.org/boa/3130613158.html
>
> not mine, I just saw it on the intertubes.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
for that money.......doesn't look too bad........Robb
On 7/18/2012 3:33 PM, bruce_mccaskey wrote:
>http://littlerock.craigslist.org/boa/3130613158.html
>
> not mine, I just saw it on the intertubes.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>