Re: Registration/Documentation.
That's one of my favorite all time boats, and by far the best photo I've seen of it. thanks Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <eric14850@...> wrote:
>
> John Guzzwell built Trekka, a twenty-foot six-inch light displacement wooden yawl designed by Laurent Giles, and in 1955 at age 25 set out on a successful round the world voyage. Picture here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/handforged/41237574/
> I am almost certain it was documented. I can't believe Giles intended Trekka to hold 10000 pounds of people and stores.
> According to the US Coast Guard
> Gross Tonnage (GT) is determined by the following formula:
> GT = K1 V
> in which:
> V = total volume of all enclosed spaces in cubic meters; and
> K1 = 0.2 + 0.02 log V
>
> According to the CG, pretty much any boat over 25' qualifies.
> I think it is a question of: Fill the boat with water. If it holds ten tons then it can be documented.
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sirdarnell" <sirdarnell@> wrote:
> >
> > This is correct, 5 tons is the design displacement of the boat not it's weight. I.e. how much the boat and all contents and people on board would weight if boat is filled to the maximum (people/supplies/equipment/fuel) the designer intended it to carry.
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks" <loosemoosefilmworks@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Well for one don't get hung up on the 5 ton thing as the USCG definition is mostly derived by volume. We had no trouble documenting our first Loose Moose (a Jessie Cooper design) which at 25 foot and a kiss is quite a small boat.
> > >
> > > Down here in the Caribbean the only islands that are currently problematic and require USCG documentation are the French ones but everywhere else is OK with state...
> > >
> > > Bob
> > >
> > >http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
> > >http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
> > >http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
> > >
> >
>
John Guzzwell built Trekka, a twenty-foot six-inch light displacement wooden yawl designed by Laurent Giles, and in 1955 at age 25 set out on a successful round the world voyage. Picture here:http://www.flickr.com/photos/handforged/41237574/
I am almost certain it was documented. I can't believe Giles intended Trekka to hold 10000 pounds of people and stores.
According to the US Coast Guard
Gross Tonnage (GT) is determined by the following formula:
GT = K1 V
in which:
V = total volume of all enclosed spaces in cubic meters; and
K1 = 0.2 + 0.02 log V
According to the CG, pretty much any boat over 25' qualifies.
I think it is a question of: Fill the boat with water. If it holds ten tons then it can be documented.
Eric
I am almost certain it was documented. I can't believe Giles intended Trekka to hold 10000 pounds of people and stores.
According to the US Coast Guard
Gross Tonnage (GT) is determined by the following formula:
GT = K1 V
in which:
V = total volume of all enclosed spaces in cubic meters; and
K1 = 0.2 + 0.02 log V
According to the CG, pretty much any boat over 25' qualifies.
I think it is a question of: Fill the boat with water. If it holds ten tons then it can be documented.
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "sirdarnell" <sirdarnell@...> wrote:
>
> This is correct, 5 tons is the design displacement of the boat not it's weight. I.e. how much the boat and all contents and people on board would weight if boat is filled to the maximum (people/supplies/equipment/fuel) the designer intended it to carry.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks" <loosemoosefilmworks@> wrote:
> >
> > Well for one don't get hung up on the 5 ton thing as the USCG definition is mostly derived by volume. We had no trouble documenting our first Loose Moose (a Jessie Cooper design) which at 25 foot and a kiss is quite a small boat.
> >
> > Down here in the Caribbean the only islands that are currently problematic and require USCG documentation are the French ones but everywhere else is OK with state...
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
> >http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
> >http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
> >
>
| No, sir. The measurement of tonnage for regulatory purposes (including documentation) is based on volume of usable enclosed space, and has nothing to do with weight or design displacement. The relevant instructions and formulae may be found in USCG document TG 1 CH-2 Simplified Measurement Tonnage Guide 1(item 4 in the Supporting Documents menu athttps://homeport.uscg.mil/mycg/portal/ep/contentView.do?contentTypeId=2&channelId=-24502&contentId=46732&programId=46748&programPage=%2Fep%2Fprogram%2Feditorial.jsp&pageTypeId=13489&BV_SessionID=@@@@0201133896.1343673388@@@@&BV_EngineID=ccceadfhghddhjhcfjgcfgfdffhdghk.0). See page 7 for simplified Gross Tonnage and page 9 for an adjustment to get Net Tonnage. There is also a much more complex process for calculating tonnage, but for our sorts of vessels that complication is not required. The Gross Tonnage is the estimated volume of hull plus deckhouse in cubic feet, divided by 100 cubic feet per ton. The Net Tonnage (which is what needs to be at least 5 tons to document your boat) is the gross tonnage reduced by a factor for propulsive machinery, depending on kind of machinery and vessel. Two otherwise identical boats can have substantially different tonnage if one has been built with higher freeboard (thus greater hull depth) and/or has larger deckhouse(s). Also, a boat with an inboard engine has a lower tonnage than an identical boat with an outboard, because the inboard engine takes up some of the usable volume. --- OnMon, 7/30/12, sirdarnell<sirdarnell@...>wrote: |
It seems to me that sailing a vessel much smaller than a Jessie Cooper
to any country other than Canada, Mexico, or the Bahamas would be ...
sporty.
-p
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM, loosemoosefilmworks
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
to any country other than Canada, Mexico, or the Bahamas would be ...
sporty.
-p
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 6:17 PM, loosemoosefilmworks
<loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
> Well for one don't get hung up on the 5 ton thing as the USCG definition is mostly derived by volume. We had no trouble documenting our first Loose Moose (a Jessie Cooper design) which at 25 foot and a kiss is quite a small boat.
>
> Down here in the Caribbean the only islands that are currently problematic and require USCG documentation are the French ones but everywhere else is OK with state...
>
> Bob
>
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
> - Unsubscribe:bolger-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> - Open discussion:bolger_coffee_lounge-subscribe@yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
This is correct, 5 tons is the design displacement of the boat not it's weight. I.e. how much the boat and all contents and people on board would weight if boat is filled to the maximum (people/supplies/equipment/fuel) the designer intended it to carry.
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "loosemoosefilmworks" <loosemoosefilmworks@...> wrote:
>
> Well for one don't get hung up on the 5 ton thing as the USCG definition is mostly derived by volume. We had no trouble documenting our first Loose Moose (a Jessie Cooper design) which at 25 foot and a kiss is quite a small boat.
>
> Down here in the Caribbean the only islands that are currently problematic and require USCG documentation are the French ones but everywhere else is OK with state...
>
> Bob
>
>http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
>http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
>http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
>
Kenny,
For visiting Canada from the US, all I've needed was my State registration number, which I gave via telephone to a Canadian Customs agent. Returning to the US I need to show my passport, and my boat has been inspected 66 percent of the time by US ICE agents.
Points south of the US? Look at Tony Bigras' adventure around Central America and the Caribbean in his 16 foot cat. I don't think his boat was even registered in a state?
http://turtleislands.net/tmc/
Bill, in Texas
For visiting Canada from the US, all I've needed was my State registration number, which I gave via telephone to a Canadian Customs agent. Returning to the US I need to show my passport, and my boat has been inspected 66 percent of the time by US ICE agents.
Points south of the US? Look at Tony Bigras' adventure around Central America and the Caribbean in his 16 foot cat. I don't think his boat was even registered in a state?
http://turtleislands.net/tmc/
Bill, in Texas
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Kenneth" <dr.kennethgreen@...> wrote:
>
> I have a question for any members who have cruised their smaller boats to foreign ports. Many of our boats are less than 5 tons and can not be documented by the USCG as US vessels. What do you use for ships papers at the port of entry? Is state registration accepted?
>
There is a lot of traffic between Puget Sound and points north in British Columbia, and the customs people have it quite organized.
State registration is all I've ever been asked for regarding the boat; crewmembers need a passport now. Returning, it's the same, just have your papers in order, mind the import restriction, and hide the weed really well ;-)
cheers,
Lynn
S/V Katie Mae
State registration is all I've ever been asked for regarding the boat; crewmembers need a passport now. Returning, it's the same, just have your papers in order, mind the import restriction, and hide the weed really well ;-)
cheers,
Lynn
S/V Katie Mae
> I have a question for any members who have cruised their smaller boats to foreign ports. Many of our boats are less than 5 tons and can not be documented by the USCG as US vessels. What do you use for ships papers at the port of entry? Is state registration accepted?
>
Well for one don't get hung up on the 5 ton thing as the USCG definition is mostly derived by volume. We had no trouble documenting our first Loose Moose (a Jessie Cooper design) which at 25 foot and a kiss is quite a small boat.
Down here in the Caribbean the only islands that are currently problematic and require USCG documentation are the French ones but everywhere else is OK with state...
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
Down here in the Caribbean the only islands that are currently problematic and require USCG documentation are the French ones but everywhere else is OK with state...
Bob
http://boatbits.blogspot.com/
http://fishingundersail.blogspot.com/
http://islandgourmand.blogspot.com/
I have a question for any members who have cruised their smaller boats to foreign ports. Many of our boats are less than 5 tons and can not be documented by the USCG as US vessels. What do you use for ships papers at the port of entry? Is state registration accepted?