Re: [bolger] Tortoise for fishing

Scot,

I have a shortened (6') Tortoise, which is very handy for ponds, canals, etc.  It rows easily but slowly, but it does not scull well; it just wiggles back and forth.  Instead of the tree, consider 4 posts in the ground and 2 cross-beams on top of them (think 2 very low hitching rails).    The boat is stable upside down, there's little lifting involved, can be tied down for strong winds. Two PT landscape timbers, 1 or 2 2x4's and 4 galvanized lag screws will do it.  Mine is 10 years old and was been through 2 hurricanes.

Good luck,
Ford Walton

----- Original Message -----
From: Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 05 Aug 2012 10:47:09 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 

Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.

I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.

I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.

I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
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On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 4:11 PM, Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...> wrote:
>
> The smaller, lighter boat IS the purpose. I wish my young children to be
> able to manage putting it away, which may include hoisting it into a tree to
> keep it off the ground.
>
> I may fashion a yuloh for it instead of oars. We'll see.
>

Keep it simple. The two short oars shown on the drawing work great.
Yuloh's require some lateral plan (lacking in a Tortoise) to work.

If you want fancy, go ahead with the sailing rig on the drawings. I
simply love sailing around in my Tortoise, it is a lot of fun!
The smaller, lighter boat IS the purpose. I wish my young children to be able to manage putting it away, which may include hoisting it into a tree to keep it off the ground.

I may fashion a yuloh for it instead of oars. We'll see.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
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On Aug 6, 2012, at 3:54 PM, BruceHallman <hallman@...> wrote:

>> Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> Do that style but one bigger, Big Tortoise is the one between the Tortoise
>> and the Brick. 8ft by 3’2” IIRC.
>
> I cannot argue with this, but one thing to keep in mind when making
> the decision about going up in size. My favorite thing about Tortoise
> is that it is small, lightweight and compact. This makes is simple
> and easy to use. It has tremendous capability for being small. I
> would have no qualms about using it for two full sized adults in a
> warm water pond. It makes a rock solid fishing platform.
>
> Upsizing from Tortoise could make it heavier, less compact and harder
> to handle.
>
> It is real easy and quick to build. May I suggest building one and
> seeing how it works out? If it isn't big enough, with what you
> learned building the first time, building the second time will be
> twice as fast.
>
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> Scott,
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>
>
> Do that style but one bigger, Big Tortoise is the one between the Tortoise
> and the Brick. 8ft by 3’2” IIRC.

I cannot argue with this, but one thing to keep in mind when making
the decision about going up in size. My favorite thing about Tortoise
is that it is small, lightweight and compact. This makes is simple
and easy to use. It has tremendous capability for being small. I
would have no qualms about using it for two full sized adults in a
warm water pond. It makes a rock solid fishing platform.

Upsizing from Tortoise could make it heavier, less compact and harder
to handle.

It is real easy and quick to build. May I suggest building one and
seeing how it works out? If it isn't big enough, with what you
learned building the first time, building the second time will be
twice as fast.

Scott,

 

Do that style but one bigger, Big Tortoise is the one between the Tortoise and the Brick. 8ft by 3’2” IIRC. My Brick/PDR is about 60 lbs at 8’x4’. I built that hull over a weekend not counting paint and I had to do some extras like large openings for the air tanks to make it  a two day job. If you want to sail, consider the Brick/PDR (pdracer.com). For kids, the Brick/PDR with big air tanks will never go under and the tanks make good seats for fishing. For rowing you get a wider oarlock position than with Tortoise. Truthfully, nothing that shape rows well.  If you want a quick to build, nice, safe rowboat (never sink with 2 inches of foam under decks and seats), build June Bug without the sailing bits, about 100 pounds. That floats 1000 pounds, has two rowing positions and fits three comfortably. I have one of those as well as a Micro/Brick/Tortoise. My June Bug, which does have the sailing bits, gets the most use. Row morning and evening and sail in the afternoon.

 

MylesJ

According to the plans, 300 lb. bring it down to it's lines which are where the bow and stern transom's just clear the water.

Nels (5, 9 and 180 and thought I was fat:-)

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...> wrote:
>
> Dude, I wasn't offended or anything. Just funny that you called two guys weighing in at 550 fat, and I am not that far behind that and not fat. Big belly, yes, but its the only spare fat on my body...well maybe my chin too could trim up a bit. Hehe.
>
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> Old Lyme, CT
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 5, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Greg Kay gregmkay@... wrote:
>
> > I weigh that and I'm 5'11" but the guys I'm talking about are cousins of mine; both my height, but it's not muscle they're carrying around, unless they've got one heck of a stomach muscle. One is fat all over, and the other looks like he swallowed a beer keg. There's big, and then there's fat, you know? Anyway, the point is it carried both of them.
> >
> > From: Scot McPherson scot.mcpherson@...
> > To: "bolger@yahoogroups.com" bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Tortoise for fishing
> >
> >
> > Well the tortoise is rated somewhere near 685lbs of load if I recall. I read that in a comparison article somewhere. Between the PD RACER and the tortoise or maybe it was the brick.
> >
> > Not sure what you think fat is though. I weigh 235 lbs, with a height of only 5'8" and although I probably have an extra 15-20 lb spare tire, you wouldn't call me fat. You might look at my Popeye arms and legs and realize fat isn't why I am so heavy, it's because I am built like a tree.
> >
> > Just sayin... :-)
> >
> > Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> > Old Lyme, CT
> > http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Greg Kay gregmkay@... wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> It should be; a lot of people used to use little 8' plywood skiffs around here for pond and creek fishing and trapping, and I once saw one of those loaded down with two fat guys that had to weight at least 550 lbs for the pair of them (of course, they only had about 2" of freeboard). The Tortoise, due to having a flat as opposed to a pointed bow like the skiffs, ought to be more stable.
> >>
> >> From: Scot McPherson scot.mcpherson@...
> >> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:47 AM
> >> Subject: [bolger] Tortoise for fishing
> >>
> >>
> >> Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.
> >>
> >> I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.
> >>
> >> I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.
> >>
> >> I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.
> >>
> >> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> >> Old Lyme, CT
> >> Le Claire, IA
> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
Dude, I wasn't offended or anything. Just funny that you called two guys weighing in at 550 fat, and I am not that far behind that and not fat. Big belly, yes, but its the only spare fat on my body...well maybe my chin too could trim up a bit. Hehe.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2012, at 12:08 PM, Greg Kay <gregmkay@...> wrote:

 

I weigh that and I'm 5'11" but the guys I'm talking about are cousins of mine; both my height, but it's not muscle they're carrying around, unless they've got one heck of a stomach muscle. One is fat all over, and the other looks like he swallowed a beer keg. There's big, and then there's fat, you know? Anyway, the point is it carried both of them.

From:Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 
Well the tortoise is rated somewhere near 685lbs of load if I recall. I read that in a comparison article somewhere. Between the PD RACER and the tortoise or maybe it was the brick.

Not sure what you think fat is though. I weigh 235 lbs, with a height of only 5'8" and although I probably have an extra 15-20 lb spare tire, you wouldn't call me fat. You might look at my Popeye arms and legs and realize fat isn't why I am so heavy, it's because I am built like a tree.

Just sayin... :-)

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Greg Kay <gregmkay@...> wrote:

 
It should be; a lot of people used to use little 8' plywood skiffs around here for pond and creek fishing and trapping, and I once saw one of those loaded down with two fat guys that had to weight at least 550 lbs for the pair of them (of course, they only had about 2" of freeboard). The Tortoise, due to having a flat as opposed to a pointed bow like the skiffs, ought to be more stable.

From:Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject:[bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 
Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.

I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.

I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.

I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone




I weigh that and I'm 5'11" but the guys I'm talking about are cousins of mine; both my height, but it's not muscle they're carrying around, unless they've got one heck of a stomach muscle. One is fat all over, and the other looks like he swallowed a beer keg. There's big, and then there's fat, you know? Anyway, the point is it carried both of them.

From:Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To:"bolger@yahoogroups.com" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent:Sunday, August 5, 2012 11:43 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 
Well the tortoise is rated somewhere near 685lbs of load if I recall. I read that in a comparison article somewhere. Between the PD RACER and the tortoise or maybe it was the brick.

Not sure what you think fat is though. I weigh 235 lbs, with a height of only 5'8" and although I probably have an extra 15-20 lb spare tire, you wouldn't call me fat. You might look at my Popeye arms and legs and realize fat isn't why I am so heavy, it's because I am built like a tree.

Just sayin... :-)

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Greg Kay <gregmkay@...> wrote:

 
It should be; a lot of people used to use little 8' plywood skiffs around here for pond and creek fishing and trapping, and I once saw one of those loaded down with two fat guys that had to weight at least 550 lbs for the pair of them (of course, they only had about 2" of freeboard). The Tortoise, due to having a flat as opposed to a pointed bow like the skiffs, ought to be more stable.

From:Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject:[bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 
Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.

I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.

I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.

I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone




Well the tortoise is rated somewhere near 685lbs of load if I recall. I read that in a comparison article somewhere. Between the PD RACER and the tortoise or maybe it was the brick.

Not sure what you think fat is though. I weigh 235 lbs, with a height of only 5'8" and although I probably have an extra 15-20 lb spare tire, you wouldn't call me fat. You might look at my Popeye arms and legs and realize fat isn't why I am so heavy, it's because I am built like a tree.

Just sayin... :-)

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Greg Kay <gregmkay@...> wrote:

 

It should be; a lot of people used to use little 8' plywood skiffs around here for pond and creek fishing and trapping, and I once saw one of those loaded down with two fat guys that had to weight at least 550 lbs for the pair of them (of course, they only had about 2" of freeboard). The Tortoise, due to having a flat as opposed to a pointed bow like the skiffs, ought to be more stable.

From:Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject:[bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 
Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.

I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.

I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.

I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone


It should be; a lot of people used to use little 8' plywood skiffs around here for pond and creek fishing and trapping, and I once saw one of those loaded down with two fat guys that had to weight at least 550 lbs for the pair of them (of course, they only had about 2" of freeboard). The Tortoise, due to having a flat as opposed to a pointed bow like the skiffs, ought to be more stable.

From:Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, August 5, 2012 10:47 AM
Subject:[bolger] Tortoise for fishing

 
Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.

I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.

I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.

I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone


Do you think the Tortoise would be a good fishing platform for a largish pond? Guessing maybe 30 acres of pond.

I am planning on building one for me and my kids to get something in the water quickly.

I'd prefer a light dory, but I think that's a project to get started in the fall more for next year's season. Plus it weighs a lot more and I want my kids to be able to manage to put it away properly without shipping rain water when it's not in use.

I was thinking the tortoise is light enough that I could hoist into a tree and keep it off the ground so it doesn't rot. The ground here is always wet where I live.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Le Claire, IA
http://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson
Sent from my iPhone