Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now small motorsailor

It was originally  written up in SBJ not MAIB. At least if it was I never saw it.


MJ has a flat bottom whereas the SMS  has significant dead-rise with the sloping bilge panels although that may not be the proper term. I think it was meant to be motor-sailed remaining upright with the upper chines well above the water whereas MJ was intended to be sailed heeled like most sharpies. Don't think it would pound when motoring like a sharpie might. I found it noteworthy Mr. Bolger wrote, "The project went off in a different direction, but I still like this proposal myself and think something like this would make somebody a pleasant cruiser." I wonder what design eventually arose? SMS also has higher topsides than MJ.


Perhaps the design concept eventually came to fruition with the Alaskan Motorsailer #610. That design has received rave reviews from the builder.




I also see the original sail plan was changed from gaff to balance lug main with full length battens and all sail controls leading inside the pilot house. Often wondered if this was Mr. Bolger's idea of a simpler Chinese lug sail? I enquired about that but got no reply.


Nels

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "daschultz8275@..." <daschultz8275@...> wrote:
>
>
> I am certain there was never a release of plans for this boat, with a number, etc. Bolger used MAIB to 'float' new design ideas, seeing if a sponsor for the design surfaced.
>
> I always thought of it being a Martha Jane w' a box keel. But certainly that isn't correct. However, an MJ w' a box keel may perform similarly, eh??
>
> Don
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:
> >
> > c.ruzer,
> > Not sure I understand what was intended here? In my original query it
> > was about if the plans for this design were ever developed.
> >
>
Oversize the Main.  Two tabernacles.  Same pin.  same sheet, halyards etc.  Would likely take say 30 minutes to 'convert' from sloop to catboat...  No clubbed-jib though...
So, when will you start...now that this is resolved so sweetly ?

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----
Sent:Friday, August 17, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now SEABIRD 86

 

Ahh, the power of sea-lawyers, as Phil has called them dismissively all his life...
I'd just sail amongst them anyway - common waters - and enjoy the good times, incl. video-taping choleric sea-lawyers hollering 'rules' for later posting to YouTube...
And trophies don't cost that much...  I'd award myself the annual Persistent Outlaw Award for having a jib.

Seriously if you were to build a SEABIRD, a cat-rig could no doubt 'be found'...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F  
----- Original Message -----
From:Peter
Sent:Friday, August 17, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now SEABIRD 86

 

> That modest jib should not spoil the 'deal' on the whole boat,
> I hope...

The point would be to participate in Catboat Association events. There are some folks with sloop-rigged Marshal 22s, but they either have to race without the jib (bad helm balance, reduced sail area), or are disqualified from trophies.

From a pure sailing point of view, I'm sure the jib is a plus.

Ahh, the power of sea-lawyers, as Phil has called them dismissively all his life...
I'd just sail amongst them anyway - common waters - and enjoy the good times, incl. video-taping choleric sea-lawyers hollering 'rules' for later posting to YouTube...
And trophies don't cost that much...  I'd award myself the annual Persistent Outlaw Award for having a jib.

Seriously if you were to build a SEABIRD, a cat-rig could no doubt 'be found'...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F  
----- Original Message -----
From:Peter
Sent:Friday, August 17, 2012 2:05 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now SEABIRD 86

 

> That modest jib should not spoil the 'deal' on the whole boat,
> I hope...

The point would be to participate in Catboat Association events. There are some folks with sloop-rigged Marshal 22s, but they either have to race without the jib (bad helm balance, reduced sail area), or are disqualified from trophies.

From a pure sailing point of view, I'm sure the jib is a plus.

> That modest jib should not spoil the 'deal' on the whole boat,
> I hope...

The point would be to participate in Catboat Association events. There are some folks with sloop-rigged Marshal 22s, but they either have to race without the jib (bad helm balance, reduced sail area), or are disqualified from trophies.

From a pure sailing point of view, I'm sure the jib is a plus.
That modest jib should not spoil the 'deal' on the whole boat, I hope...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----
From:Peter
Sent:Friday, August 17, 2012 10:48 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now SEABIRD 86

 

FWIW, some of Stefan's pictures are also in the photos section of the Bolger 2 group. I wish he had some interior pictures.

I think if I could get a Seabird '86 with a gaff cat rig, I might trade down from my 28-footer.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Bolger2/photos/album/397168980/pic/list

> ------
> some Seabird 86 notes:
>http://www.oocities.org/nohnpages/original.html-Stefan's BLUE AIR pages
>http://www.oocities.org/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/40183-Stefan reports
>http://hallman.org/bolger/Seabird86CatKetch.jpg
>http://www.oocities.org/nohnpages/moremodellpics.html
>http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2607336799/in/photostream/
>http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?117580-Dipping-Lug-Sail&p=2664735#post2664735-short boards as standing lug
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/31266?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1-1800hrs, Euro7500, in 2003 (seems high)
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/31392?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/28168?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1-May/June 2003 "Water Craft" magazine
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/50299?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1ballast
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1153-PCB letter on a balanced lug option for Seabird 86
>

Nice. I asked as there are various sketches/drawings/shopped/cut'n'paste images about of Bolger boats with doghouses or Navigator style cabins - AS19, and Long Micro come to mind, for example (there is a photo clipping from a 4sale ad showing a Long Micro actually built with similar doghouse/cockpit protection). It seems there's always been a lot of keen interest in fitting this type of crew protection...

What's the load carrying capacity of #525 SEABIRD 86? I'm guessing about 1000 - 1500lbs (500 - 700kg) from:

LOA: 23´ (7,01m)
LWL: 21´9´´ (6,63 m)
BEAM: 7´9`` (2,36 m)
DAUGHT: 2´6´´ (0,75m)
DISPL.: 4100 lbs (~1700kg)
SAIL: 276 ft² (~25m²);

BALLAST: 1100 lbs (~500kg, Stefan's quote for his ballast)
HULL at sailaway: 1500 lbs (~ 700kg a guess, 1/2" ply, rig, motor etc)


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some Seabird 86 notes:
http://www.oocities.org/nohnpages/original.html-Stefan's BLUE AIR pages
http://www.oocities.org/nohnpages/Seabirdgoingaround.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/40183-Stefan reports
http://hallman.org/bolger/Seabird86CatKetch.jpg
http://www.oocities.org/nohnpages/moremodellpics.html
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/2607336799/in/photostream/
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?117580-Dipping-Lug-Sail&p=2664735#post2664735-short boards as standing lug

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/31266?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1-1800hrs, Euro7500, in 2003 (seems high)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/31392?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/28168?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1-May/June 2003 "Water Craft" magazine

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/messages/50299?threaded=1&m=e&var=1&tidx=1ballast

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/1153-PCB letter on a balanced lug option for Seabird 86

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> Yeah, that modification is mine actually...
> "Big deal, Susanne".
> Well, it came up. Phil hauled me in under the idea of encouraging partial and then whole conceptual designs that were not his conceptually. #627 "Lily" the first 100% of mine.
> I'll ID. which in part or as a whole, when the times comes as part of the archiving of our work together.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:52 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now
> small motorsailor

> PCB and Friends. In other words, it was after the collaboration
> with Suzanne began.

> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@> wrote:
> > Interesting. Who drew that one?

> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@> wrote:
> > > FWIW, there is a drawing of the Seabird Navigator in Photos,
> > > folder name = Seabird Doghouse,
Let me add, I think Bolger's concept for the motor sailor is very sound and spans a wide range of sizes. This 22' is similar in concept to the Alaskan Motor Sailor which has been built and seems a fine boat. Then there is the 100' freighter Sir Joseph Banks, which, though simply a big sharpie, uses Bolger's operational scheme of a small, continuously running engine and a proportionally small sail scheme.

IMO this small motor sailor would be a great boat for "The Great Loop" around the East half of North America.
I am certain there was never a release of plans for this boat, with a number, etc. Bolger used MAIB to 'float' new design ideas, seeing if a sponsor for the design surfaced.

I always thought of it being a Martha Jane w' a box keel. But certainly that isn't correct. However, an MJ w' a box keel may perform similarly, eh??

Don

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> c.ruzer,
> Not sure I understand what was intended here? In my original query it
> was about if the plans for this design were ever developed.
>
Yeah, that modification is mine actually...
"Big deal, Susanne". 
Well, it came up.  Phil hauled me in under the idea of encouraging partial and then whole conceptual designs that were not his conceptually.  #627 "Lily" the first 100% of mine. 
I'll ID. which in part or as a whole, when the times comes as part of the archiving of our work together.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F 
----- Original Message -----
From:Peter
Sent:Thursday, August 16, 2012 1:52 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Was Red Zinger pictures, and ballast - now small motorsailor

 

PCB and Friends. In other words, it was after the collaboration with Suzanne began.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting. Who drew that one?
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, there is a drawing of the Seabird Navigator in Photos, folder name = Seabird Doghouse,
>

PCB and Friends. In other words, it was after the collaboration with Suzanne began.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
> Interesting. Who drew that one?
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@> wrote:
> >
> > FWIW, there is a drawing of the Seabird Navigator in Photos, folder name = Seabird Doghouse,
>
Interesting. Who drew that one?

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>
> FWIW, there is a drawing of the Seabird Navigator in Photos, folder name = Seabird Doghouse,
FWIW, there is a drawing of the Seabird Navigator in Photos, folder name = Seabird Doghouse, and pictures of a Marina Cruiser in a folder named "Tyson's Boats" (look for Merlin).

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <pvanderwaart@...> wrote:
>
>
> > Also not aware of a PCB Arava.
> > Is that a similar design for which plans
> > ARE available?
>
> Arava is a much bigger and heavier boat, somewhere about 30 feet. It was meant as a liveaboard.
>
> The Small Motorsailer is one of those boats based on a certain internal logic that is mostly invisible to boaters at large. Sailors will think it's a bad sailboat, and powerboaters will think it's a bad powerboat. It takes a strong understanding that it's right for YOU to be happy with it.
>
> If you want to lean to the sailboat side, a design that you might look at is the Navigator version of Seabird '86. The original is said to be cramped inside, but the Navigator version should help with that. With a 4-stroke OB in a good well, you won't much miss the inboard.
>
> Or, if you want to lean to the motorboat side, go for the Fast Motorsailer.
>
> If you can move beyond plywood to a fully round-bottom design, look to the Marina Cruiser, and I think there is a somewhat similar Single-handed Cruiser.
>
> Peter
>
> Also not aware of a PCB Arava.
> Is that a similar design for which plans
> ARE available?

Arava is a much bigger and heavier boat, somewhere about 30 feet. It was meant as a liveaboard.

The Small Motorsailer is one of those boats based on a certain internal logic that is mostly invisible to boaters at large. Sailors will think it's a bad sailboat, and powerboaters will think it's a bad powerboat. It takes a strong understanding that it's right for YOU to be happy with it.

If you want to lean to the sailboat side, a design that you might look at is the Navigator version of Seabird '86. The original is said to be cramped inside, but the Navigator version should help with that. With a 4-stroke OB in a good well, you won't much miss the inboard.

Or, if you want to lean to the motorboat side, go for the Fast Motorsailer.

If you can move beyond plywood to a fully round-bottom design, look to the Marina Cruiser, and I think there is a somewhat similar Single-handed Cruiser.

Peter
c.ruzer,

Not sure I understand what was intended here? In my original query it was about if the plans for this design were ever developed.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger_study_plans_only/files/Small%20Motorsailer/ 


Also not aware of a PCB Arava. Is that a similar design for which plans ARE available?



You all know how a person can get "hooked" a particular design (Right William?) and this one had me hooked first time I saw it Small Boat Journal a long time ago. And with the small China diesels available nowadays still holds my interest. Not as an off-shore design but one easy to get under way with from a mooring maybe? Even if there is not much wind. I really like the looks as well in profile, along with the pram hood or whatever that is called.


Have wondered about a cutter rig as well or even a light-air dipping lug like the original FMS as the mast seems to be in the right location.


Nels


--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote: 
>
> Developed? How 'bout a PCB Arava then? Perhaps not? Perhaps not in this size, perhaps not in chined construction, perhaps not. But I rather think I see it in other Bolger designs and, well, said more than once too, the RZ is favoured by a designer from NZ - as is the FQP and centreboard.
>

> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" arvent@ wrote:
> >
> > Often wondered how RZ would have looked with a box keel instead of
> > that huge centreboard? Small air-cooled diesel.
>
> > Certainly slower under sail and not point as high, so more like a
> > motor-sailor, but maybe less ballast required?
>
> > Often wondered why this design was never developed? One of my
> > favourite concepts.
>

I bought Red Zinger's original gorgeous tapered hollow mast and mainsail from the original builder Dr Zapf way back in the early '90's, to replace a rotted solid-plank mast on my Black Skimmer (interesting that the two mainsail rigs were nearly identical in size!) as by then Dr Zapf had chosen to install a far-more-rigid tubular aluminum mast so he could fly a big symmetrical spinnaker for the avid club-racing he was doing with this boat at the time...  so the design was constantly evolving, even from the original build...

 

Regards,

Wayne Gilham..... out here on the Left Coast in Tacoma WA

 

bereft of any wonderful Bolger boats in my fleet right now.... as I sold my Black Skimmer to a fellow in Spokane some years ago, with his promises that he'd be doing a full restoration.   

 

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofprairiedog2332
Sent:Monday, August 13, 2012 12:31 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] Re: Red Zinger pictures, and ballast

 

 

Often wondered how RZ would have looked with a box keel instead of that huge centreboard? Small air-cooled diesel.

 

 

Certainly slower under sail and not point as high, so more like a motor-sailor, but maybe less ballast required?

 

 

Often wondered why this design was never developed? One of my favourite concepts.

 

 

 

 

Lack of storage space an issue. But what if the bottom were wider and the bilge panels narrower? Michalak has done that in some of his designs.

 

 

Nels


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> The current owner of Zapf's Red Zinger contacted me off list. Says there's about 1500 lbs of lead in the hull of Red Zinger.
> Bill, in Texas
>

Developed? How 'bout a PCB Arava then? Perhaps not? Perhaps not in this size, perhaps not in chined construction, perhaps not. But I rather think I see it in other Bolger designs and, well, said more than once too, the RZ is favoured by a designer from NZ - as is the FQP and centreboard.

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?97776-What-is-your-favorite-Bolger-design&p=2225711#post2225711
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?97776-What-is-your-favorite-Bolger-design&p=2229592#post2229592
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?97776-What-is-your-favorite-Bolger-design&p=2629218#post2629218


Perhaps it was already much developed? If so...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falmouth_Quay_Punt
keeled originalhttp://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Teal-in-Ireland-3.png
newerhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/billsboat/395765693/
and chinedhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/atoach/4932473879/
so perhapshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/tags/redzinger/,http://web.archive.org/web/20060207091629/http://www.duckflatwoodenboats.com/mainpages/forsale2.php- 7 up from bottom,
http://www.falmouth.packet.archives.dial.pipex.com/id34.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/06/columns/welsford/index1.htm
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0877421528/duckworksmagazin
http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/pic-3.jpg
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/03/r/columns/welsford/018/john.htm
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/02/columns/drawing_board/001/index.htm



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> Often wondered how RZ would have looked with a box keel instead of
> that huge centreboard? Small air-cooled diesel.

> Certainly slower under sail and not point as high, so more like a
> motor-sailor, but maybe less ballast required?

> Often wondered why this design was never developed? One of my
> favourite concepts.
Often wondered how RZ would have looked with a box keel instead of that huge centreboard? Small air-cooled diesel.


Certainly slower under sail and not point as high, so more like a motor-sailor, but maybe less ballast required?


Often wondered why this design was never developed? One of my favourite concepts.




Lack of storage space an issue. But what if the bottom were wider and the bilge panels narrower? Michalak has done that in some of his designs.


Nels

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@...> wrote:
>
> The current owner of Zapf's Red Zinger contacted me off list. Says there's about 1500 lbs of lead in the hull of Red Zinger.
> Bill, in Texas
>

The current owner of Zapf's Red Zinger contacted me off list. Says there's about 1500 lbs of lead in the hull of Red Zinger.
Bill, in Texas

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Ross L athttp://www.baysidewoodenboats.com.au/would tell you how much ballast is in that "Pagan/..." examplehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/53987
>
> The full design specs might be in MAIB: "There are several articles on the Red Zinger in the current Messing About in Boats, January 2010. Pages 28,29,30,31. An article by the current owner about a cruise last August, reprints of 2 Bob Hicks articles on the boat from 1987 and and 1988, and a "Bolger on Design" page with lines and comments. Nice to see Bob continuing with his Bolger series.
> Walter baron, Old Wharf Dory Co." Message #62769http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/62769
>
> ...and Peter V: "Bolger says in BWAOM and MAIB that a full crew will put her down by the stern...", "Zinger does have considerable internal ballast. The MAIB article describes the results of experiments in ballasting."http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/33601,http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/33617
>
> On planking the RZ bow - some tips from Howard S:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/39481
> Further, Stefan T: "Richard (Zapf)wrote that it was a real bear to try and build those curves in."http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/65951
>
> Interesting history... A previous sale Ad Post ad link is still uphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/53986(one sailing profile pic, no ballast spec though)http://www.adpost.com/au/boats/269/
>http://www.myadpost.com/anthonygreen/au/?db=&website=mya&language=&session_key=&print_popup_myphotos=on&photo_number=1&photo_type=jpg&array=1.jpg&username=anthonygreen
> Further, this earlier when first up for sale at duckflat?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/39460
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@> wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know what the ballast in Red Zinger amounts too? This question was raised sometime ago on the list, but not resolved. The plans in BWAOM show her at 5,000 lbs displacement which suggests a chunk of ballast, but this isn't evident in the study plans. Anyone?
> > Buehler?
> >
> > Bill in Texas
>
Ross L athttp://www.baysidewoodenboats.com.au/would tell you how much ballast is in that "Pagan/..." examplehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/53987

The full design specs might be in MAIB: "There are several articles on the Red Zinger in the current Messing About in Boats, January 2010. Pages 28,29,30,31. An article by the current owner about a cruise last August, reprints of 2 Bob Hicks articles on the boat from 1987 and and 1988, and a "Bolger on Design" page with lines and comments. Nice to see Bob continuing with his Bolger series.
Walter baron, Old Wharf Dory Co." Message #62769http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/62769

...and Peter V: "Bolger says in BWAOM and MAIB that a full crew will put her down by the stern...", "Zinger does have considerable internal ballast. The MAIB article describes the results of experiments in ballasting."http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/33601,http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/33617

On planking the RZ bow - some tips from Howard S:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/39481
Further, Stefan T: "Richard (Zapf)wrote that it was a real bear to try and build those curves in."http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/65951

Interesting history... A previous sale Ad Post ad link is still uphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/53986(one sailing profile pic, no ballast spec though)http://www.adpost.com/au/boats/269/
http://www.myadpost.com/anthonygreen/au/?db=&website=mya&language=&session_key=&print_popup_myphotos=on&photo_number=1&photo_type=jpg&array=1.jpg&username=anthonygreen
Further, this earlier when first up for sale at duckflat?http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/message/39460



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@...> wrote:

> Does anyone know what the ballast in Red Zinger amounts too? This question was raised sometime ago on the list, but not resolved. The plans in BWAOM show her at 5,000 lbs displacement which suggests a chunk of ballast, but this isn't evident in the study plans. Anyone?
> Buehler?
>
> Bill in Texas
I think Bruce Hallman has those bright green Pagan pictures stored somewhere on his website. I was fortunate to save them when then passed a few years ago, but I especially like the recent, interior shots of Pagan Gold. You're relatively close. Why don't you buy her?

Does anyone know what the ballast in Red Zinger amounts too? This question was raised sometime ago on the list, but not resolved. The plans in BWAOM show her at 5,000 lbs displacement which suggests a chunk of ballast, but this isn't evident in the study plans. Anyone?
Buehler?

Bill in Texas

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Bill, nice find of "Pagan Gold" now?
>
> There's at least 8 pics of that boat when she had a light, bright lime-green and white paint job, and the designed sail plan, and was named just "Pagan" (pics dated 19/02/2007 - for sale on Adpost in 2009 by an Anthony Green - only one limited view internal shot). I think they were also shown on the duckflatwoodenboats 4sale pages, or indeed that may have been a much earlier set of phots of her to do with a previous sale. They may also have been placed in one of the bolger groups. Built 1996? - I have a hazy memory that she was built by duckflat for the original owner - anyway, it'll be in these archives.
>
> Say, what's with the blue trim on white paint job of these bolger boats for sale at Manly recently? Maybe the broker thinks it sells? For example, 21 photos of the Romp design Beluga Too with similarly changed colour scheme just soldhttp://www.centralyachts.com/listings/sail/beluga.html
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@> wrote:
> >
> > Eleven pictures of a Red Zinger, including great interior shots. I would loooovvveee to build a Red Zinger.
> >http://www.centralyachts.com/listings/sail/pagangold.html
> > Bill
> >
>
Hi Bill, nice find of "Pagan Gold" now?

There's at least 8 pics of that boat when she had a light, bright lime-green and white paint job, and the designed sail plan, and was named just "Pagan" (pics dated 19/02/2007 - for sale on Adpost in 2009 by an Anthony Green - only one limited view internal shot). I think they were also shown on the duckflatwoodenboats 4sale pages, or indeed that may have been a much earlier set of phots of her to do with a previous sale. They may also have been placed in one of the bolger groups. Built 1996? - I have a hazy memory that she was built by duckflat for the original owner - anyway, it'll be in these archives.

Say, what's with the blue trim on white paint job of these bolger boats for sale at Manly recently? Maybe the broker thinks it sells? For example, 21 photos of the Romp design Beluga Too with similarly changed colour scheme just soldhttp://www.centralyachts.com/listings/sail/beluga.html


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "William" <kingw@...> wrote:
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> Eleven pictures of a Red Zinger, including great interior shots. I would loooovvveee to build a Red Zinger.
>http://www.centralyachts.com/listings/sail/pagangold.html
> Bill
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Eleven pictures of a Red Zinger, including great interior shots. I would loooovvveee to build a Red Zinger.
http://www.centralyachts.com/listings/sail/pagangold.html
Bill