Re: [bolger] "Buildability" for the lone builder, cost issues and logistics: DOUBLE EAGLE-modified ?

There is always #646 DOUBLE EAGLE at 40' x 20' on 4'-wide hulls with smooth vee-nose bows. 
Those 10:1 length-to-beam hulls offer stout liveaboard weights carrying capacity.

Narrow the connecting structure to your desired 12', modify her bridge for single-level/full-width layout, hang between the hulls a single YAMAHA large-prop T-60 (or twin T-25s for more propeller-blade area and redundancy), forget about the sailing rig unless you're happy with loading up on some say 25% ballast-ratio for starters, (instead use a kite for reaching and down-wind sailing...) and there she is at 40 x 12.

With extant plans, working together on respective modifications would likely yield a worthwhile outcome...

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----
Sent:Thursday, August 30, 2012 10:55 PM
Subject:[bolger] "Buildability" for the lone builder, cost issues and logistics.

 


I know that I do not need to "convice "  anyone on this group that one of the most appealing things about so many  Phil Bolger and friends
designs is "accessability " to a  vast range of boat designs .Mr Bolger ( and Suzanne's  ) efforts  have made it possible for  many people to  "live their boating dream " , (what ever that may be) with oftem limited funds.


So ...speaking of "the dream" ...here is mine : 

River house boat. For two . Live aboard year round.

Plywood pontoons / catamaran hulls(  3 ft wide state series ( idaho , Tennesse , whyoh ,)  type of hulls ?  , supporting a platform approx 42 ft long x 12 foot wide overall.

Plywood  floor pan....sectional bolt together.

Lightweight "house"  using sips( structural insulated panel ) on top......Insulated cool room panels perhaps.

All fitted out with light weight off shelf furniture , ( deck chairs , card tables , ikea style flat pack furniture.

Outbord a stroke power.
Solar fed battery bank for lights , stereo , maybe tv.
Gas cooker , possibly gas fridge.


Logistics , Buildability and Costs......this is often  where the " dream " rapidly deteriorates......

Building space
 
With suitable access to river ? Expensive ( if you can find it ! ).
Build out doors ? ....yes , possibly , but a large project like this ....?
Add the cost of turing the hull over....( crane ? .. makeshift temp gantry ? )

Transport

Hold onto your hats here folks ! Lol....
I have just been " quoted " a rough approx . cost of $ 5000 - 7000....to move such a vessel...
Slip fees to "launch ".....$ 650.00 ......
Temp mooring fees.....??


So what remains achieveable here ?

Modular construction.

8 - 12 ft long plywood pontoon sections bolted together.( Breakdown Schooner , Bantam bow assembly ? )
Build them in a modest garage .....

Modular floor platform , bolted to bulkheads.
Build them in a modest garage too.....

Sips/ prefabbed modular house structure and roof.




Any thoughts about this ?








How about modifying 2 stretched Sneakeasys or Modified Sneakeasys for your hulls? The Sneakeasy design is 4' wide and 26' long. The Modified Sneakeasy was designed for rougher waters and has a keel with cutwater.

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "harrystone.24755" <ph687079@...> wrote:
>
>
> I know that I do not need to "convice " anyone on this group that one
> of the most appealing things about so many Phil Bolger and
> friendsdesigns is "accessability " to a vast range of boat designs .Mr
> Bolger ( and Suzanne's ) efforts have made it possible for many
> people to "live their boating dream " , (what ever that may be) with
> oftem limited funds.
>
> So ...speaking of "the dream" ...here is mine :
> River house boat. For two . Live aboard year round.
> Plywood pontoons / catamaran hulls ( 3 ft wide state series ( idaho ,
> Tennesse , whyoh ,) type of hulls ? , supporting a platform approx 42
> ft long x 12 foot wide overall.
> Plywood floor pan....sectional bolt together.
> Lightweight "house" using sips ( structural insulated panel ) on
> top......Insulated cool room panels perhaps.
> All fitted out with light weight off shelf furniture , ( deck chairs ,
> card tables , ikea style flat pack furniture.
> Outbord a stroke power.Solar fed battery bank for lights , stereo ,
> maybe tv.Gas cooker , possibly gas fridge.
>
> Logistics , Buildability and Costs......this is often where the " dream
> " rapidly deteriorates......
> Building space With suitable access to river ? Expensive ( if you can
> find it ! ).Build out doors ? ....yes , possibly , but a large project
> like this ....?Add the cost of turing the hull over....( crane ? ..
> makeshift temp gantry ? )
> Transport
> Hold onto your hats here folks ! Lol....I have just been " quoted " a
> rough approx . cost of $ 5000 - 7000....to move such a vessel...Slip
> fees to "launch ".....$ 650.00 ......Temp mooring fees.....??
>
> So what remains achieveable here ?
> Modular construction.
> 8 - 12 ft long plywood pontoon sections bolted together.( Breakdown
> Schooner , Bantam bow assembly ? )Build them in a modest garage .....
> Modular floor platform , bolted to bulkheads.Build them in a modest
> garage too.....
> Sips/ prefabbed modular house structure and roof.
> Modular ?
> <http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/builds/images/Dockbox+WiTIMS+TIMSbox+WiFaBri\
> ck_Cat8_1.jpg>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts about this ?
>
Buy a derelict pontoon houseboat and build a new house?
I don't know the downside of the aluminum pontoons but big ones with punky houses go for real cheap. You could anchor off somewhere and work at leisure.


Justin




--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "harrystone.24755" <ph687079@...> wrote:
>
>
> I know that I do not need to "convice " anyone on this group that one
> of the most appealing things about so many Phil Bolger and
> friendsdesigns is "accessability " to a vast range of boat designs .Mr
> Bolger ( and Suzanne's ) efforts have made it possible for many
> people to "live their boating dream " , (what ever that may be) with
> oftem limited funds.
>
> So ...speaking of "the dream" ...here is mine :
> River house boat. For two . Live aboard year round.
> Plywood pontoons / catamaran hulls ( 3 ft wide state series ( idaho ,
> Tennesse , whyoh ,) type of hulls ? , supporting a platform approx 42
> ft long x 12 foot wide overall.
> Plywood floor pan....sectional bolt together.
> Lightweight "house" using sips ( structural insulated panel ) on
> top......Insulated cool room panels perhaps.
> All fitted out with light weight off shelf furniture , ( deck chairs ,
> card tables , ikea style flat pack furniture.
> Outbord a stroke power.Solar fed battery bank for lights , stereo ,
> maybe tv.Gas cooker , possibly gas fridge.
>
> Logistics , Buildability and Costs......this is often where the " dream
> " rapidly deteriorates......
> Building space With suitable access to river ? Expensive ( if you can
> find it ! ).Build out doors ? ....yes , possibly , but a large project
> like this ....?Add the cost of turing the hull over....( crane ? ..
> makeshift temp gantry ? )
> Transport
> Hold onto your hats here folks ! Lol....I have just been " quoted " a
> rough approx . cost of $ 5000 - 7000....to move such a vessel...Slip
> fees to "launch ".....$ 650.00 ......Temp mooring fees.....??
>
> So what remains achieveable here ?
> Modular construction.
> 8 - 12 ft long plywood pontoon sections bolted together.( Breakdown
> Schooner , Bantam bow assembly ? )Build them in a modest garage .....
> Modular floor platform , bolted to bulkheads.Build them in a modest
> garage too.....
> Sips/ prefabbed modular house structure and roof.
> Modular ?
> <http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/builds/images/Dockbox+WiTIMS+TIMSbox+WiFaBri\
> ck_Cat8_1.jpg>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts about this ?
>
Where's that picture of a travel trailer on a barge? ;p  Actually I like the idea.  For inspiration on how to build a modular hull, look at Gary Dierking's Wa'apa 3 board proa.  As designed the hull is essentially a sharpie/dory like, long skinny boat.  It's modular and can be either 16 or 24 feet long.

Is the idea to be a three season or four season boat?  To cut weight perhaps parts of the boat can have the bottom four feet of the walls solid with the top half screen with plastic sides.
Keep dreaming, you can make it work,
John Boy 
 



“Seaward ho! Hang the treasure! It's the glory of the sea that has turned my head.” 
Robert Louis Stevenson,Treasure Island

From:harrystone.24755 <ph687079@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, August 30, 2012 9:55 PM
Subject:[bolger] "Buildability" for the lone builder, cost issues and logistics.

 

I know that I do not need to "convice "  anyone on this group that one of the most appealing things about so many  Phil Bolger and friends
designs is "accessability " to a  vast range of boat designs .Mr Bolger ( and Suzanne's  ) efforts  have made it possible for  many people to  "live their boating dream " , (what ever that may be) with oftem limited funds.


So ...speaking of "the dream" ...here is mine : 

River house boat. For two . Live aboard year round.

Plywood pontoons / catamaran hulls(  3 ft wide state series ( idaho , Tennesse , whyoh ,)  type of hulls ?  , supporting a platform approx 42 ft long x 12 foot wide overall.

Plywood  floor pan....sectional bolt together.

Lightweight "house"  using sips( structural insulated panel ) on top......Insulated cool room panels perhaps.

All fitted out with light weight off shelf furniture , ( deck chairs , card tables , ikea style flat pack furniture.

Outbord a stroke power.
Solar fed battery bank for lights , stereo , maybe tv.
Gas cooker , possibly gas fridge.


Logistics , Buildability and Costs......this is often  where the " dream " rapidly deteriorates......

Building space
 
With suitable access to river ? Expensive ( if you can find it ! ).
Build out doors ? ....yes , possibly , but a large project like this ....?
Add the cost of turing the hull over....( crane ? .. makeshift temp gantry ? )

Transport

Hold onto your hats here folks ! Lol....
I have just been " quoted " a rough approx . cost of $ 5000 - 7000....to move such a vessel...
Slip fees to "launch ".....$ 650.00 ......
Temp mooring fees.....??


So what remains achieveable here ?

Modular construction.

8 - 12 ft long plywood pontoon sections bolted together.( Breakdown Schooner , Bantam bow assembly ? )
Build them in a modest garage .....

Modular floor platform , bolted to bulkheads.
Build them in a modest garage too.....

Sips/ prefabbed modular house structure and roof.




Any thoughts about this ?










Being the one who designed this monster, based on the TIMS,
here are the caveats:

Freeboard.
Rule of thumb is: Freeboard = min. 10% of Length.
I guess that is for open waters. Not sure for river or coastal.
The longer you get, the more freeboard you need. That has to be considered in the initial modules already, which limits the use of the "short" assemblies somehow.

In this regard: Are there rule of thumbs for bow height?

Required Power.
It is not only to move the twin hulls, but also to push the square, i.e. not so wind slippery superstructure against oncoming winds, or keep course at strong side winds.

Steering.
Either you mount something in the middle (outboard or inboard above the WL - think "long tail"), which might need also a bow thruster of some kind, or you make use of the nice steering capabilities of twin propulsion. In that case you need outboards or rudders that can be controlled from a central helm.

Finally, it should be possible even to build an Idaho like boat from modules. The bottom as modular barges, and then the sharpie hull in module wall style, rain water proofed with Silicone glue. OK, there will be vertical edges, but who cares if that is the only way to go.

Cheers,
Stefan


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "harrystone.24755" <ph687079@...> wrote:
.....
> Modular floor platform , bolted to bulkheads.Build them in a modest
> garage too.....
> Sips/ prefabbed modular house structure and roof.
> Modular ?
> <http://www.hapby.v-nam.net/builds/images/Dockbox+WiTIMS+TIMSbox+WiFaBri\
> ck_Cat8_1.jpg>
>
>
>
> Any thoughts about this ?
>

I know that I do not need to "convice "  anyone on this group that one of the most appealing things about so many  Phil Bolger and friends
designs is "accessability " to a  vast range of boat designs .Mr Bolger ( and Suzanne's  ) efforts  have made it possible for  many people to  "live their boating dream " , (what ever that may be) with oftem limited funds.


So ...speaking of "the dream" ...here is mine : 

River house boat. For two . Live aboard year round.

Plywood pontoons / catamaran hulls(  3 ft wide state series ( idaho , Tennesse , whyoh ,)  type of hulls ?  , supporting a platform approx 42 ft long x 12 foot wide overall.

Plywood  floor pan....sectional bolt together.

Lightweight "house"  using sips( structural insulated panel ) on top......Insulated cool room panels perhaps.

All fitted out with light weight off shelf furniture , ( deck chairs , card tables , ikea style flat pack furniture.

Outbord a stroke power.
Solar fed battery bank for lights , stereo , maybe tv.
Gas cooker , possibly gas fridge.


Logistics , Buildability and Costs......this is often  where the " dream " rapidly deteriorates......

Building space
 
With suitable access to river ? Expensive ( if you can find it ! ).
Build out doors ? ....yes , possibly , but a large project like this ....?
Add the cost of turing the hull over....( crane ? .. makeshift temp gantry ? )

Transport

Hold onto your hats here folks ! Lol....
I have just been " quoted " a rough approx . cost of $ 5000 - 7000....to move such a vessel...
Slip fees to "launch ".....$ 650.00 ......
Temp mooring fees.....??


So what remains achieveable here ?

Modular construction.

8 - 12 ft long plywood pontoon sections bolted together.( Breakdown Schooner , Bantam bow assembly ? )
Build them in a modest garage .....

Modular floor platform , bolted to bulkheads.
Build them in a modest garage too.....

Sips/ prefabbed modular house structure and roof.

Modular ? 



Any thoughts about this ?