Re: Douglas Pollard's 'Dream'

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> Joe she is a good looking boat actually kind of a yachtey looking boat.
> My wife is and I have been up since earlier in the morning talking
> about boats. She says, "Doug, you are not thinking. After those boys
> build a boat. You will have all the real work left to do. Things like
> spars rigging plumbing engine installation, steering and trimming out
> the furniture so she looks at least respectable. We will need a
> windlass, winches and on and on." I have to admit she is right. I am at
> this moment thinking I will drive up and look at "Hogfish". I have no
> idea what the asking price is or whether or not she is suitable to live
> aboard or not. They are k living on her now with children so she may
> well be just fine. I remember seeing her in the Bahamas and I remember
> her as being a nice boat. The good news is I can sail and live aboard
> my little boat a year or two and in that time just the right boat will
> likely turn up. I might change my mind next week?? Doug
>
> On 09/14/2012 02:46 AM, Joe T wrote:
> > Culler's Periauger Scow --- Plans at Mystic Seaport:
> >http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=maker&s=Robert+&record=1010
> >
> > Lots of hits on Google:
> >https://www.google.com/search?q=Culler+Periaguer+Scow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
> >
> >
>

On 09/14/2012 02:46 AM, Joe T wrote:
> Culler's Periauger Scow --- Plans at Mystic Seaport:
>http://mobius.mysticseaport.org/detail.php?t=objects&type=browse&f=maker&s=Robert+&record=1010
>
> Lots of hits on Google:
>https://www.google.com/search?q=Culler+Periaguer+Scow&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
>
>

> Would this be too small? Too spartan? Fit your budget? Fast enough
> building to get you out there soon?
>
>
>
> On Sep 12, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
>
>> I would like a little less than a blue water sharpie. Leeboards would
>> be nice but centerboard would be OK. I like the sprite booms Mr. Bolger
>> Favored. Still I am getting old so maybe a junk rig would be easy to
>> Reef and easy for my wife if she has to come home alone. I like a ketch
>> or schooner but a yawl will work. Free standing masts are essential to
>> the rigs I like. Without stays, head sails are out. I want an inboard
>> engine with plenty of fuel and water. I want a hand operated anchor
>> windlass with enough bowsprit to hang Anchors on. I want standing
>> headroom through most of the cabin Galley and head. At least 4
>> bunks.Comfortable live aboard accommodations I don't think I can
>> convince my wife to camp on a boat for the next ten years. I would be
>> willing to consider stayed rigs in a ketch or schooner if the rest of
>> the boat suited me.. Shallow draft for me would be less than 3ft. I
>> would think a boat like I am describing would likely be in the 32 to
>> 36ft range. A little on the wide side would be Ok as speed is no longer
>> necessary to us. I would like a wood core with glass outside marine or
>> equivalent plywood.. I want a cockpit long enough to stretch out in. I
>> am 5' 6" so that is a fairly short one head room 6ft would be great. I
>> would like masts that fold down. We will want pressurized hot and cold
>> water. We will not be camping aboard we will be living aboard for a long
>> time the the accommodations need to be in accordance with that life
>> style. I would like to not spend over $50,000 so she would not be a
>> newer boat. I can get most of what I want in a production glass boat
>> that has pretty much been redone recently, with fairly new or rebuilt
>> engine and in very nice condition. The trouble is it is not what I want.
>> Such a boat will primarily be used in inland waterways and rivers
>> with occasional trips to the Bahamas. We may pick our days and skip down
>> island a ways. Doug
>>
>> On 09/12/2012 11:47 AM,philbolger@...
>> <mailto:philbolger%40comcast.net> wrote:
>> > Can you boil down your net requirements for your live-aboard ?
>> > Perhaps there are option in the archive or based on what we have.
>> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Douglas Pollard" <dougpol1@...
>> <mailto:dougpol1%40verizon.net>>
>> > To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:14 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: a little food for thought
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Yes thats true and varnish does do that. Still the surfaces I am
>> >> talking about are inside the boat so they are pretty well protected.
>> >> No one should think I am disapproving of wood and glass. It is my
>> >> material of choice. I also think wood has taken a bad rap and would be
>> >> better trusted by boat boat users in general if you could go aboard and
>> >> see if the boats is healthy or not. If a person doesn't know, he has to
>> >> do a contract on the boat in order to get her surveyed. To bother
>> at all
>> >> he needs a little evidence that she is worth doing all that. I have
>> >> looked at a lot of boats, glass wood and metals most I reject out of
>> >> hand for one reason or another. All are boats that would possibly do
>> >> what I want to do. I never even go to the point of getting a survey
>> >> because of things I saw. But so if there was something about the boat
>> >> that encouraged me I might have gone farther with a deal. I have a boat
>> >> and will likely use it for a years or so but I will buy a boat to live
>> >> on and cruse. Anything that makes her easier to buy, will surely
>> >> encourage me. A few pictures of a naturally finished interior will
>> >> likely send me packing a thousand miles to go look at her if she suites
>> >> my purpose. If she is painted inside then all I have to go on is
>> >> whether she looks well cared for or not. Doug
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 09/12/2012 10:32 AM, sirdarnell wrote:
>> >>> Epoxy that will be exposed to sunlight needs to be painted. Sunlight
>> >>> causes it to break down.
>> >>>
>> >>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Douglas
>> >>> Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
>> >>> > sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over
>> wood as
>> >>> > most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the
>> >>> wood
>> >>> > in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a
>> >>> way
>> >>> > you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an
>> AS 29
>> >>> > or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I
>> >>> might
>> >>> > paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they
>> join
>> >>> > the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
>> >>> > attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any
>> buyer and
>> >>> > myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
>> >>> > This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or
>> there but
>> >>> a
>> >>> > piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
>> >>> > I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
>> >>> > wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
>> >>> > painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
>> >>> > condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her
>> with a
>> >>> > mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like
>> >>> in
>> >>> > the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I
>> >>> belive
>> >>> > the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't
>> be sure
>> >>> > either.
>> >>> > If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
>> >>> > was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
>> >>> > her. She would have been well worth the money.
>> >>> > So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
>> >>> > work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over
>> >>> the
>> >>> > years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
>> >>> > not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily
>> know do a
>> >>> > few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
>> >>> > possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older.
>> Certainly
>> >>> > surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden
>> boat.
>> >>> > Doug
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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> The Bolger Scow Schooner?
>

On 09/13/2012 04:52 PM, Ed Drapela wrote:
> Might want to look Ruel Parkers designs – he has a couple of scow schooners.
>
> *From:*bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf
> Of *Peter
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:09 PM
> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* [bolger] Re: Douglas Pollard's 'Dream'
>
> I think the scow is 35' LOD. Sparred length would be 40' at least. You
> can furnish the interior from Home Depot and Ikea.
>
> In my amateur design efforts, I looked into a 4/5 size. That lowers the
> headroom under the deck, but I guess you could work in a house. One
> thing I learned was the truth of PCB's comment about designing a scow
> schooner with a full-length house not being easy. It's hard to make the
> jib work, so one of the rigs you prefer might work out better.
>
> While doodling scows, I also tried a 3X blowup of the Elegant Punt. He
> didn't put it this way, but PCB didn't like the idea of a full width
> flat bottom. He mentioned that heel would reduce pounding but he
> probably liked the idea that boat would give more warning before a capsize.
>
> If this was back in the halcyon days of Small Boat Journal, you could
> have written in and asked him to design a simplified junk. That would
> have been fun.
>
> Peter
>
>

>
> Doug,
>
> The SBJ Scow Schooner you may mean is reprinted in BWAOM, chapter 41.
> While wonderful for some purposes, I doubt you'd want to live in it
> for very long. It is 28 x 9'10"x15".The upright waterline is just
> 19'. Could sleep two, daysail six, but the cabin is very small and
> the hold 8'x8'x3'.
>
>

>
> Doug,
>
> The SBJ Scow Schooner you may mean is reprinted in BWAOM, chapter 41.
> While wonderful for some purposes, I doubt you'd want to live in it
> for very long. It is 28 x 9'10"x15".The upright waterline is just
> 19'. Could sleep two, daysail six, but the cabin is very small and
> the hold 8'x8'x3'.
>
>
>

On Sep 13, 2012, at 9:34 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:

> I built his design Wolftrap in 1979 and one of the great things were
> the letters I received from him. I also have the Small boat journal
> with
> the boat in it. I still have them. That was all great fun. It wasn't
> so long ago that I pulled them out and read them. I thought them
> reminiscent of Joshua Slocum and Mark Twain combined.
> The boat I was looking at was called a 28 was that a waterline
> length??
> Doug
>
> On 09/13/2012 12:08 PM, Peter wrote:
>> I think the scow is 35' LOD. Sparred length would be 40' at least.
>> You
>> can furnish the interior from Home Depot and Ikea.
>>
>> In my amateur design efforts, I looked into a 4/5 size. That
>> lowers the
>> headroom under the deck, but I guess you could work in a house. One
>> thing I learned was the truth of PCB's comment about designing a scow
>> schooner with a full-length house not being easy. It's hard to
>> make the
>> jib work, so one of the rigs you prefer might work out better.
>>
>> While doodling scows, I also tried a 3X blowup of the Elegant
>> Punt. He
>> didn't put it this way, but PCB didn't like the idea of a full width
>> flat bottom. He mentioned that heel would reduce pounding but he
>> probably liked the idea that boat would give more warning before a
>> capsize.
>>
>> If this was back in the halcyon days of Small Boat Journal, you could
>> have written in and asked him to design a simplified junk. That would
>> have been fun.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
>
>
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On 09/13/2012 12:08 PM, Peter wrote:
> I think the scow is 35' LOD. Sparred length would be 40' at least. You
> can furnish the interior from Home Depot and Ikea.
>
> In my amateur design efforts, I looked into a 4/5 size. That lowers the
> headroom under the deck, but I guess you could work in a house. One
> thing I learned was the truth of PCB's comment about designing a scow
> schooner with a full-length house not being easy. It's hard to make the
> jib work, so one of the rigs you prefer might work out better.
>
> While doodling scows, I also tried a 3X blowup of the Elegant Punt. He
> didn't put it this way, but PCB didn't like the idea of a full width
> flat bottom. He mentioned that heel would reduce pounding but he
> probably liked the idea that boat would give more warning before a capsize.
>
> If this was back in the halcyon days of Small Boat Journal, you could
> have written in and asked him to design a simplified junk. That would
> have been fun.
>
> Peter
>
>

On 09/13/2012 10:46 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> One of the great things about a scow is that they were made to carry
> heavy loads. What could be better for a live aborder than a boat with
> it's width having so much buoyancy and it's shallow draft allowing the
> family to sneak up into the back end of a creek to be visited by Osprey
> and eagle. Thanks to clean water people, people do not build on land
> that is fronted by marshes. There is no place to tie up their boat. That
> leaves the most beautiful places on the water to anchor and enjoy if
> your boat is shallow draft.
> A finely shaped narrowish kind of boat is wonderful when empty.
> They are fast and responsive. Then you move aboard all the things you
> need and all the things you can't part with onboard and she then goes
> down in the water to become a slug. At this point Mr. BOlgers scow
> loaded with all my junk begins to look pretty fast.
> My last post said it would need to be longer but I am not so sure
> that 28 ft is not long enough. I couldn't find her width in the sites I
> looked at. Maybe if I were to do anything it might be to to widen her a
> little?? It would make her shallower draft when loaded. With a long
> cabin that is tall enough to give standing headroom and maybe raise her
> bullwaks a little to hide the cabin hight if she looked top heavy.
> Really if she is wide enough 28 ft might well be long enough if she is
> fairly wide. I like her. Doug
>
> On 09/13/2012 09:55 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> > Sorry I didn't get back. My spam assin put the post in Junk.
> > I like her a lot and I bet she is a screamer off the wind with that
> > stay sail set on the main. If there was one about thirty five feet with
> > a long cabin she would be wonderful. I don't think Bolgers scow has
> > been built and it's a shame as scows are nice roomy boats. That 28ft
> > boat likely has more room than the average 35 footer. Scows are great
> > boats and one heck of a lot faster than most people think and are
> > perfect foe inland and coastal cruising. Doug
> > On 09/13/2012 09:23 AM, Peter wrote:
> >> > I would like a little less than a blue water sharpie.
> >>
> >> The Bolger Scow Schooner?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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----- Original Message -----

From:Douglas Pollard

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:46 AM

Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Douglas Pollard's 'Dream'

 

One of the great things about a scow is that they were made to carry
heavy loads. What could be better for a live aborder than a boat with
it's width having so much buoyancy and it's shallow draft allowing the
family to sneak up into the back end of a creek to be visited by Osprey
and eagle. Thanks to clean water people, people do not build on land
that is fronted by marshes. There is no place to tie up their boat. That
leaves the most beautiful places on the water to anchor and enjoy if
your boat is shallow draft.
A finely shaped narrowish kind of boat is wonderful when empty.
They are fast and responsive. Then you move aboard all the things you
need and all the things you can't part with onboard and she then goes
down in the water to become a slug. At this point Mr. BOlgers scow
loaded with all my junk begins to look pretty fast.
My last post said it would need to be longer but I am not so sure
that 28 ft is not long enough. I couldn't find her width in the sites I
looked at. Maybe if I were to do anything it might be to to widen her a
little?? It would make her shallower draft when loaded. With a long
cabin that is tall enough to give standing headroom and maybe raise her
bullwaks a little to hide the cabin hight if she looked top heavy.
Really if she is wide enough 28 ft might well be long enough if she is
fairly wide. I like her. Doug

On 09/13/2012 09:55 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> Sorry I didn't get back. My spam assin put the post in Junk.
> I like her a lot and I bet she is a screamer off the wind with that
> stay sail set on the main. If there was one about thirty five feet with
> a long cabin she would be wonderful. I don't think Bolgers scow has
> been built and it's a shame as scows are nice roomy boats. That 28ft
> boat likely has more room than the average 35 footer. Scows are great
> boats and one heck of a lot faster than most people think and are
> perfect foe inland and coastal cruising. Doug
> On 09/13/2012 09:23 AM, Peter wrote:
>> > I would like a little less than a blue water sharpie.
>>
>> The Bolger Scow Schooner?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
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> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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On 09/13/2012 09:55 AM, Douglas Pollard wrote:
> Sorry I didn't get back. My spam assin put the post in Junk.
> I like her a lot and I bet she is a screamer off the wind with that
> stay sail set on the main. If there was one about thirty five feet with
> a long cabin she would be wonderful. I don't think Bolgers scow has
> been built and it's a shame as scows are nice roomy boats. That 28ft
> boat likely has more room than the average 35 footer. Scows are great
> boats and one heck of a lot faster than most people think and are
> perfect foe inland and coastal cruising. Doug
> On 09/13/2012 09:23 AM, Peter wrote:
>> > I would like a little less than a blue water sharpie.
>>
>> The Bolger Scow Schooner?
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - NO "GO AWAY SPAMMER!" posts!!! Please!
> - no cursing, flaming, trolling, spamming, respamming, or flogging dead horses
> - stay on topic, stay on thread, punctuate, no 'Ed, thanks, Fred' posts
> - Pls add your comments at the TOP, SIGN your posts, and snip away
> - Plans: Mr. Philip C. Bolger, P.O. Box 1209, Gloucester, MA, 01930, Fax: (978) 282-1349
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On 09/13/2012 09:23 AM, Peter wrote:
> > I would like a little less than a blue water sharpie.
>
> The Bolger Scow Schooner?
>
>

> I would like a little less than a blue water sharpie.

On 09/12/2012 11:47 AM,philbolger@...wrote:
> Can you boil down your net requirements for your live-aboard ?
> Perhaps there are option in the archive or based on what we have.
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Douglas Pollard" <dougpol1@...>
> To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: a little food for thought
>
>
>>
>>
>> Yes thats true and varnish does do that. Still the surfaces I am
>> talking about are inside the boat so they are pretty well protected.
>> No one should think I am disapproving of wood and glass. It is my
>> material of choice. I also think wood has taken a bad rap and would be
>> better trusted by boat boat users in general if you could go aboard and
>> see if the boats is healthy or not. If a person doesn't know, he has to
>> do a contract on the boat in order to get her surveyed. To bother at all
>> he needs a little evidence that she is worth doing all that. I have
>> looked at a lot of boats, glass wood and metals most I reject out of
>> hand for one reason or another. All are boats that would possibly do
>> what I want to do. I never even go to the point of getting a survey
>> because of things I saw. But so if there was something about the boat
>> that encouraged me I might have gone farther with a deal. I have a boat
>> and will likely use it for a years or so but I will buy a boat to live
>> on and cruse. Anything that makes her easier to buy, will surely
>> encourage me. A few pictures of a naturally finished interior will
>> likely send me packing a thousand miles to go look at her if she suites
>> my purpose. If she is painted inside then all I have to go on is
>> whether she looks well cared for or not. Doug
>>
>>
>> On 09/12/2012 10:32 AM, sirdarnell wrote:
>>> Epoxy that will be exposed to sunlight needs to be painted. Sunlight
>>> causes it to break down.
>>>
>>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Douglas
>>> Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
>>> > sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
>>> > most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the
>>> wood
>>> > in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a
>>> way
>>> > you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
>>> > or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I
>>> might
>>> > paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
>>> > the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
>>> > attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
>>> > myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
>>> > This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but
>>> a
>>> > piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
>>> > I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
>>> > wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
>>> > painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
>>> > condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
>>> > mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like
>>> in
>>> > the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I
>>> belive
>>> > the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
>>> > either.
>>> > If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
>>> > was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
>>> > her. She would have been well worth the money.
>>> > So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
>>> > work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over
>>> the
>>> > years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
>>> > not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
>>> > few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
>>> > possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
>>> > surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
>>> > Doug
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Douglas Pollard" <dougpol1@...>
To: <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: a little food for thought


>
>
> Yes thats true and varnish does do that. Still the surfaces I am
> talking about are inside the boat so they are pretty well protected.
> No one should think I am disapproving of wood and glass. It is my
> material of choice. I also think wood has taken a bad rap and would be
> better trusted by boat boat users in general if you could go aboard and
> see if the boats is healthy or not. If a person doesn't know, he has to
> do a contract on the boat in order to get her surveyed. To bother at all
> he needs a little evidence that she is worth doing all that. I have
> looked at a lot of boats, glass wood and metals most I reject out of
> hand for one reason or another. All are boats that would possibly do
> what I want to do. I never even go to the point of getting a survey
> because of things I saw. But so if there was something about the boat
> that encouraged me I might have gone farther with a deal. I have a boat
> and will likely use it for a years or so but I will buy a boat to live
> on and cruse. Anything that makes her easier to buy, will surely
> encourage me. A few pictures of a naturally finished interior will
> likely send me packing a thousand miles to go look at her if she suites
> my purpose. If she is painted inside then all I have to go on is
> whether she looks well cared for or not. Doug
>
>
> On 09/12/2012 10:32 AM, sirdarnell wrote:
>> Epoxy that will be exposed to sunlight needs to be painted. Sunlight
>> causes it to break down.
>>
>> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Douglas
>> Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
>> > sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
>> > most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the
>> wood
>> > in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a
>> way
>> > you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
>> > or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I
>> might
>> > paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
>> > the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
>> > attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
>> > myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
>> > This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but
>> a
>> > piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
>> > I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
>> > wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
>> > painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
>> > condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
>> > mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like
>> in
>> > the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I
>> belive
>> > the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
>> > either.
>> > If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
>> > was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
>> > her. She would have been well worth the money.
>> > So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
>> > work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over
>> the
>> > years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
>> > not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
>> > few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
>> > possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
>> > surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
>> > Doug
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>
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On 09/12/2012 10:32 AM, sirdarnell wrote:
> Epoxy that will be exposed to sunlight needs to be painted. Sunlight
> causes it to break down.
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger%40yahoogroups.com>, Douglas
> Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
> >
> > I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
> > sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
> > most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the wood
> > in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a way
> > you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
> > or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I might
> > paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
> > the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
> > attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
> > myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
> > This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but a
> > piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
> > I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
> > wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
> > painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
> > condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
> > mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like in
> > the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I belive
> > the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
> > either.
> > If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
> > was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
> > her. She would have been well worth the money.
> > So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
> > work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over the
> > years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
> > not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
> > few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
> > possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
> > surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
> > Doug
> >
>
>

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:
>
> I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
> sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
> most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the wood
> in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a way
> you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
> or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I might
> paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
> the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
> attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
> myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
> This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but a
> piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
> I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
> wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
> painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
> condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
> mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like in
> the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I belive
> the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
> either.
> If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
> was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
> her. She would have been well worth the money.
> So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
> work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over the
> years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
> not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
> few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
> possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
> surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
> Doug
>

On Sep 11, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Douglas Pollard <dougpol1@...> wrote:

> What you say is true but your Grandbanks is not epoxied inside.
> Paint on wood bubbles up and loosens if moisture is underit. A keen eye
> will spot most rot pretty quickly. Paint on epoxy will not blister to
> the same extent so that is why I am saying with no paint over epoxy it
> is easier to spot moisture.
> Surveyors are reluctant to do any hole drilling and some will not
> anymore for what ever reason. Of course many don't know anything about
> wooden boats anyway. This of course would not keep me from buying but I
> do expect to get paid for any risk I am taking so that comes off the
> price I will pay. If the seller can eliminate my risk I may very well
> pay his price?? I don't mind spending some money and doing some work
> but I would like to know fairly easily how much, if I can.
> Doug
>
> On 09/11/2012 12:29 PM, tom s wrote:
>> I bought a 1967 grand banks to live on 7 years ago. plank on frame, but
>> still a bit of a chance. I figured for the extra 35k it would have
>> taken to get the same boat in glass I could fix quite a bit of hidden
>> rot. still carefully inspected, but took some of the fear out. Now I
>> have the warmer, quieter wood structure and all of the rot I've found
>> has been in the plywood house and a bit in the bulwarks.
>>
>> Point is, compare the cost to new and figure your "budget" for repair,
>> then make the decision.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, <philbolger@...
>> <mailto:philbolger@...>> wrote:
>>
>>> One could argue that relative moisture-levels and spore-presence might
>>> offer an indication of relative 'age' of such structures.
>>>
>>> I would think that carefully chosen 'test-sites' in the painted and
>>> even insulated hull-structure could be drilled into from the inside to
>>> a clearly-defined depth in order to insert a moisture-meter and/or
>>> take wood-dust samples for basic assessment of that area - all without
>>> violating the outside water-tight integrity. Taking actual
>>> core-drillings is another more radical option.
>>>
>>> Such a procedure with both parties present and video-documented would
>>> reveal vital realities for both seller and potential buyer; hire a
>>> surveyor as the 3rd set of eyes and have thus certified on their
>>> letterhead what these tests revealed. Both approaches assume that
>>> you then carefully re-seal the test-holes again, and reinsert/re-epoxy
>>> that 'plug' (with a backing-piece over the plug if need be). We're
>>> talking carefully chosen de facto biopsy-sites...
>>>
>>> The more you consider these options, the less mysterious the epoxied,
>>> glassed, insulated, and painted-over hull-structure might be. You use
>>> these in addition to tapping, grinding off selected patches of
>>> paint, and whatever other indicators seem sensible.
>>>
>>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> *From:* Douglas Pollard <mailto:dougpol1@...>
>>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:37 AM
>>> *Subject:* [bolger] a little food for thought
>>>
>>> I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
>>> sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
>>> most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with
>>> the wood
>>> in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in
>>> a way
>>> you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an
>>> AS 29
>>> or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I
>>> might
>>> paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
>>> the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
>>> attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
>>> myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
>>> This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there
>>> but a
>>> piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
>>> I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
>>> wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
>>> painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
>>> condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
>>> mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting
>>> like in
>>> the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I
>>> belive
>>> the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be
>>> sure
>>> either.
>>> If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
>>> was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
>>> her. She would have been well worth the money.
>>> So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
>>> work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her
>>> over the
>>> years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
>>> not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know
>>> do a
>>> few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
>>> possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
>>> surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
>>> Doug
>>>
>> =
>>
>>
>
>
>
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On 09/11/2012 12:29 PM, tom s wrote:
> I bought a 1967 grand banks to live on 7 years ago. plank on frame, but
> still a bit of a chance. I figured for the extra 35k it would have
> taken to get the same boat in glass I could fix quite a bit of hidden
> rot. still carefully inspected, but took some of the fear out. Now I
> have the warmer, quieter wood structure and all of the rot I've found
> has been in the plywood house and a bit in the bulwarks.
>
> Point is, compare the cost to new and figure your "budget" for repair,
> then make the decision.
>
> Tom
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, <philbolger@...
> <mailto:philbolger@...>> wrote:
>
>> One could argue that relative moisture-levels and spore-presence might
>> offer an indication of relative 'age' of such structures.
>>
>> I would think that carefully chosen 'test-sites' in the painted and
>> even insulated hull-structure could be drilled into from the inside to
>> a clearly-defined depth in order to insert a moisture-meter and/or
>> take wood-dust samples for basic assessment of that area - all without
>> violating the outside water-tight integrity. Taking actual
>> core-drillings is another more radical option.
>>
>> Such a procedure with both parties present and video-documented would
>> reveal vital realities for both seller and potential buyer; hire a
>> surveyor as the 3rd set of eyes and have thus certified on their
>> letterhead what these tests revealed. Both approaches assume that
>> you then carefully re-seal the test-holes again, and reinsert/re-epoxy
>> that 'plug' (with a backing-piece over the plug if need be). We're
>> talking carefully chosen de facto biopsy-sites...
>>
>> The more you consider these options, the less mysterious the epoxied,
>> glassed, insulated, and painted-over hull-structure might be. You use
>> these in addition to tapping, grinding off selected patches of
>> paint, and whatever other indicators seem sensible.
>>
>> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Douglas Pollard <mailto:dougpol1@...>
>> *To:*bolger@yahoogroups.com<mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:37 AM
>> *Subject:* [bolger] a little food for thought
>>
>> I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
>> sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
>> most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with
>> the wood
>> in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in
>> a way
>> you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an
>> AS 29
>> or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I
>> might
>> paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
>> the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
>> attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
>> myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
>> This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there
>> but a
>> piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
>> I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
>> wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
>> painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
>> condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
>> mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting
>> like in
>> the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I
>> belive
>> the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be
>> sure
>> either.
>> If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
>> was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
>> her. She would have been well worth the money.
>> So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
>> work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her
>> over the
>> years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
>> not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know
>> do a
>> few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
>> possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
>> surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
>> Doug
>>
> =
>
>

I bought a 1967 grand banks to live on 7 years ago.  plank on frame, but still a bit of a chance.  I figured for the extra 35k it would have taken to get the same boat in glass I could fix quite a bit of hidden rot.  still carefully inspected, but took some of the fear out.  Now I have the warmer, quieter wood structure and all of the rot I've found has been in the plywood house and a bit in the bulwarks.

Point is, compare the cost to new and figure your "budget" for repair, then make the decision.

Tom

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, <philbolger@...> wrote:

One could argue that relative moisture-levels and spore-presence might offer an indication of relative 'age' of such structures.

I would think that carefully chosen 'test-sites' in the painted and even insulated hull-structure could be drilled into from the inside to a clearly-defined depth in order to insert a moisture-meter and/or take wood-dust samples for basic assessment of that area - all without violating the outside water-tight integrity.  Taking actual core-drillings is another more radical option.

Such a procedure with both parties present and video-documented would reveal vital realities for both seller and potential buyer; hire a surveyor as the 3rd set of eyes and have thus certified on their letterhead what these tests revealed.   Both approaches assume that you then carefully re-seal the test-holes again, and reinsert/re-epoxy that 'plug' (with a backing-piece over the plug if need be).  We're talking carefully chosen de facto biopsy-sites...

The more you consider these options, the less mysterious the epoxied, glassed, insulated, and painted-over hull-structure might be.  You use these in addition to tapping, grinding off selected patches of paint, and whatever other indicators seem sensible.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F

----- Original Message -----

From:Douglas Pollard

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:37 AM

Subject:[bolger] a little food for thought

I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the wood
in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a way
you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I might
paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but a
piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like in
the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I belive
the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
either.
If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
her. She would have been well worth the money.
So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over the
years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
Doug

=

 

One could argue that relative moisture-levels and spore-presence might offer an indication of relative 'age' of such structures.

I would think that carefully chosen 'test-sites' in the painted and even insulated hull-structure could be drilled into from the inside to a clearly-defined depth in order to insert a moisture-meter and/or take wood-dust samples for basic assessment of that area - all without violating the outside water-tight integrity.  Taking actual core-drillings is another more radical option. 

Such a procedure with both parties present and video-documented would reveal vital realities for both seller and potential buyer; hire a surveyor as the 3rd set of eyes and have thus certified on their letterhead what these tests revealed.   Both approaches assume that you then carefully re-seal the test-holes again, and reinsert/re-epoxy that 'plug' (with a backing-piece over the plug if need be).  We're talking carefully chosen de facto biopsy-sites...

The more you consider these options, the less mysterious the epoxied, glassed, insulated, and painted-over hull-structure might be.  You use these in addition to tapping, grinding off selected patches of paint, and whatever other indicators seem sensible.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F 
  

----- Original Message -----

From:Douglas Pollard

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:37 AM

Subject:[bolger] a little food for thought

 

I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the wood
in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a way
you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I might
paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but a
piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like in
the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I belive
the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
either.
If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
her. She would have been well worth the money.
So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over the
years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
Doug

----- Original Message -----

From:Douglas Pollard

To:bolger@yahoogroups.com

Sent:Tuesday, September 11, 2012 10:37 AM

Subject:[bolger] a little food for thought

 

I am wanting to buy a boat to live on. I would like to have a
sharpie big enough to live on. She would likely be glass over wood as
most now are. One problem is you can't tell whats going on with the wood
in the construction if it's epoxied inside and then painted. So in a way
you could be buying a pig in a poke. IF I were going to build an AS 29
or 39 I would epoxy her on the inside but I would not paint her. I might
paint non structural parts but not bulkheads at least where they join
the hull and I would not paint the hull along the areas where it is
attached to frames and I would not paint the over head. Any buyer and
myself as well could see any darkening wood that might be a problem.
This likely would tell me there is a little problem here or there but a
piece or two of lumber a little work and I will have a new boat.
I looked at a really nice 36ft boat a few years ago. The fellow
wanted $30,000 and I offered $20,000 she was beautiful inside all
painted white but she was 40 years old but I think in excellent
condition. But how could I know. I could go around and tap her with a
mallet in all the places where she was not likely to be rotting like in
the panels. But right next to stringers and frames not so easy. I belive
the owner did his best to maintain her except that he couldn't be sure
either.
If I could looked all inside her and determined that everything
was OK I might have argued him down on general principles and bought
her. She would have been well worth the money.
So if I built such a boat I would attempt to take all the guess
work out for the potential buyer and for myself when using her over the
years. I think many boats are sold by the builders because they are
not sure things are not weakening in them. They could easily know do a
few repares and continue sailing her for 30 or 40 years. It's even
possible the boat might get more valuable as it gets older. Certainly
surviers would be less reluctant to give a thumbs up on a wooden boat.
Doug