Re: Boats and Costs
Would ya look at that! Strikes me as remarkable, externalities aside.
The two currencies, AUD and USD, over the last number of years are about at parity, give or take... as are the respective cruising costs noted in the table on the last page of Jill's 2008 articlehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/COSTS/...and in Rich's blog (amongst other cost related posts)http://www.sailblogs.com/member/svthirdday/?xjMsgID=204870(http://www.svthirdday.com/PDF/expenses.pdf)
Is there also a parity between QLD and Mexico? Similarities certainly have been said to exist ;-)
The two currencies, AUD and USD, over the last number of years are about at parity, give or take... as are the respective cruising costs noted in the table on the last page of Jill's 2008 articlehttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/COSTS/...and in Rich's blog (amongst other cost related posts)http://www.sailblogs.com/member/svthirdday/?xjMsgID=204870(http://www.svthirdday.com/PDF/expenses.pdf)
Is there also a parity between QLD and Mexico? Similarities certainly have been said to exist ;-)
On October 22, over on his boatbits bloghttp://boatbits.blogspot.com.au/Bob mentioned another's blog piece: Homeless or Living Aboardhttp://www.sailblogs.com/member/svthirdday/?xjMsgID=246137
Placed temporarily in Files in a COSTS folder for fair use consideration and from a somewhat similar perspective of considering cruising/liveaboard costs perhaps more realistic to many outside of the expropriating 1% is an article by Jill Knight from the September 2008 issue of Cruising Helmsman (sic): "Cruising on a shoestring"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/COSTS/That's four 'n a bit years ago, but I don't think inflation has affected the numbers very much. In fact as it's pretty much pre-GFC it may well be that some costs, such as used equipment and boats, may average less.
In other senses bearing on this it also may well be that "All boats are lowering. And many of them have sprung leaks and are already sinking."http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/?s=boat+costsYet, "In this light we should know that our real things in life will not change all that much. Your tools, chairs, clothes and cars will remain yours. Houses and land, TVs and boats, all will retain the exact same "value" they always had."http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/moneyness-2-money-is-credit.html
Placed temporarily in Files in a COSTS folder for fair use consideration and from a somewhat similar perspective of considering cruising/liveaboard costs perhaps more realistic to many outside of the expropriating 1% is an article by Jill Knight from the September 2008 issue of Cruising Helmsman (sic): "Cruising on a shoestring"http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bolger/files/COSTS/That's four 'n a bit years ago, but I don't think inflation has affected the numbers very much. In fact as it's pretty much pre-GFC it may well be that some costs, such as used equipment and boats, may average less.
In other senses bearing on this it also may well be that "All boats are lowering. And many of them have sprung leaks and are already sinking."http://damnthematrix.wordpress.com/?s=boat+costsYet, "In this light we should know that our real things in life will not change all that much. Your tools, chairs, clothes and cars will remain yours. Houses and land, TVs and boats, all will retain the exact same "value" they always had."http://fofoa.blogspot.com.au/2012/11/moneyness-2-money-is-credit.html
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "c.ruzer" <c.ruzer@...> wrote:
>
> Bring Out Another Thou$ and Finance:
>
>http://www.bloomberg.com/consumer-spending/2012-05-15/the-real-cost-of-owning-a-boat.html
>
> That can't be right!
Eric,
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Eric" <eric14850@...> wrote:
> Additional costs: Dinghy and outboard to use as a tug ($500 for inflatable and $200 for used outboard). $50? per year registration of dinghy and boat. $300 initial cost, and $300 in repairs to flatbed trailer fabricated from mobile home parts. (trailer, dinghy and outboard were included as building costs)
Well, there's a Bolger Nymph dinghy tender here for a similar sized boat (although the skipper eschews an outboard motor. she prefers rowing for reliability and ease)http://www.speedwelladventures.com/bokkom.htmlbut I'm sure you'd appreciate her boat sail toohttp://www.speedwelladventures.com/Interesting, all that. The site and blog author there, Shirley, mentions friend Pete Hill a number of times. Guess who's new biplane poppy split-junk rigged cat has another nice Nymph dinghy (didn't he go with a Tortoise on Badger?). Yep, you guessed ithttp://wharrambuilders.ning.com/photo/100-3752IMHO it's high recommendation indeed.http://wharrambuilders.ning.com/profile/davidduvalhall
BTW, seeing Pete Hill's Oryx brings to mind that the PCA is back online, and with all but one of the 75 "The Sea People" magazines available for download. Happy reading
http://www.pca-seapeople.net/
26' Bolger barge hull. approx. 2500 building hours. Approx $25000 in materials at today's cost ($18,000 actual over 30 years). It needs $3000 in new sails, but the used mainsail could, and is likely to service for many more years. (Replace sails every three years?!? I don't think so!) It sits on a trailer in my back yard during hard water ($5 to launch. $5 to retrieve). Last time ROGUE was in the water the mooring was $400 for the season. 80 hours and $200 materials for ongoing maintenance sounds reasonable each year. Another 80 hours and $300 in materials for upgrades on average each year, though the work will be more random. I have a VHF radio and two hand held GPSs for a total of $300 in used electronics (included as building costs). (The laptop and cell phone don't count as boat items.) Charts of the East Coast, Great Lakes, and Bahamas have cost me perhaps $75 for chart books and full size charts all bought used or been give to me. (Nice to have a shallow draft boat with early warning leeboards. I'm not too worried about having old charts.)
I expect most of us on this site count building and maintenance as part of the fun. Fun the only cost of which is the material to work with.
Now that I am retired, I plan to cruise on ROGUE. I have redundant hurricane worthy anchoring systems. I do not plan to be at marina's very often. I built ROGUE to be free of civilization.
That was the plan this year, but I was fabulously unrealistic about how much time upgrades and repairs would take me. That and completion of the interior took the entire summer, and there is still much more to do. Seven years of total neglect (other than tarp tent cover) took its toll. Maintenance averaged about seven years times 80 hours per year. The rest was improvements and work to complete the interior which was never completed. Wiring remains to be done, though nav lights can be hooked directly to a battery and I can go sailing without completing wiring.
Additional costs: Tools and value of the workshop space, most of which I would own anyway. Dinghy and outboard to use as a tug ($500 for inflatable and $200 for used outboard). $50? per year registration of dinghy and boat. $300 initial cost, and $300 in repairs to flatbed trailer fabricated from mobile home parts. (trailer, dinghy and outboard were included as building costs) Ownership of 3/4 ton or ton truck to tow ROGUE to launch site near or far, or rental of a truck to do this. (The NYS barge system is three miles from me and reaches the Great Lakes and Atlantic ocean. 45 miles gets me to Lake Ontario, Approximately 4 hours driving gets me to the New Jersey shore. At greater expense for a more reliable truck, or to contract a yacht hauling service, the West Coast becomes available, and Southern Florida / Gulf of Mexico become but a few days away, if I don't feel like sailing south.)
I expect an AS-29 would have similar costs and capabilities associated with it. Perhaps someone who owns one will speak up.
I wonder if a ton truck could handle an AS-39. It is standard road width. My trailer could handle it if the trailer were longer, an easy modification.
Bolger boats are fun!
Eric
I expect most of us on this site count building and maintenance as part of the fun. Fun the only cost of which is the material to work with.
Now that I am retired, I plan to cruise on ROGUE. I have redundant hurricane worthy anchoring systems. I do not plan to be at marina's very often. I built ROGUE to be free of civilization.
That was the plan this year, but I was fabulously unrealistic about how much time upgrades and repairs would take me. That and completion of the interior took the entire summer, and there is still much more to do. Seven years of total neglect (other than tarp tent cover) took its toll. Maintenance averaged about seven years times 80 hours per year. The rest was improvements and work to complete the interior which was never completed. Wiring remains to be done, though nav lights can be hooked directly to a battery and I can go sailing without completing wiring.
Additional costs: Tools and value of the workshop space, most of which I would own anyway. Dinghy and outboard to use as a tug ($500 for inflatable and $200 for used outboard). $50? per year registration of dinghy and boat. $300 initial cost, and $300 in repairs to flatbed trailer fabricated from mobile home parts. (trailer, dinghy and outboard were included as building costs) Ownership of 3/4 ton or ton truck to tow ROGUE to launch site near or far, or rental of a truck to do this. (The NYS barge system is three miles from me and reaches the Great Lakes and Atlantic ocean. 45 miles gets me to Lake Ontario, Approximately 4 hours driving gets me to the New Jersey shore. At greater expense for a more reliable truck, or to contract a yacht hauling service, the West Coast becomes available, and Southern Florida / Gulf of Mexico become but a few days away, if I don't feel like sailing south.)
I expect an AS-29 would have similar costs and capabilities associated with it. Perhaps someone who owns one will speak up.
I wonder if a ton truck could handle an AS-39. It is standard road width. My trailer could handle it if the trailer were longer, an easy modification.
Bolger boats are fun!
Eric
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Peter McCorison <peter@...> wrote:
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> Well - We ran Coho, a 1956 50' trawler for six years before we lost her
> to fire. over that period, her maintenance averaged 15% of our purchase
> cost. And: I did ALL the work!
>
> Wonderful boat, terrible loss. I never felt poor until she came into our
> lives, but spent our savings gladly.
>
> - Peter McCorison
>
> c.ruzer wrote:
> > Bring Out Another Thou$ and Finance:
> >
> >http://www.bloomberg.com/consumer-spending/2012-05-15/the-real-cost-of-owning-a-boat.html
> >
> > That can't be right!
>
Well - We ran Coho, a 1956 50' trawler for six years before we lost her
to fire. over that period, her maintenance averaged 15% of our purchase
cost. And: I did ALL the work!
Wonderful boat, terrible loss. I never felt poor until she came into our
lives, but spent our savings gladly.
- Peter McCorison
c.ruzer wrote:
to fire. over that period, her maintenance averaged 15% of our purchase
cost. And: I did ALL the work!
Wonderful boat, terrible loss. I never felt poor until she came into our
lives, but spent our savings gladly.
- Peter McCorison
c.ruzer wrote:
> Bring Out Another Thou$ and Finance:
>
>http://www.bloomberg.com/consumer-spending/2012-05-15/the-real-cost-of-owning-a-boat.html
>
> That can't be right!
Bring Out Another Thou$ and Finance:
http://www.bloomberg.com/consumer-spending/2012-05-15/the-real-cost-of-owning-a-boat.html
That can't be right!
http://www.bloomberg.com/consumer-spending/2012-05-15/the-real-cost-of-owning-a-boat.html
That can't be right!