Re: [bolger] That HALO riff (was Re: Elco 26 Imitation??) PB&F at 60+ years
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM, RSS<otter55806@...>wrote:7.2 billion people. Too many people for the resources. If the commercial fishers are pissed, just think how pissed they are going to be when the last fish is caught! We humans are apparently too stupid to face the reality.
BobThe core issue is that fishing for a living is economically possible with gas guzzling boats that require a big mortgage to purchase.The PB&F 'Advanced Fisherman' concept boats do not guzzle gas, and do not cost much to acquire and could be operated at a tolerable profit in an era of reduced quotas due to depletion of fish stock.
Bob
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, Mike Graf wrote:
>
> Fascinating topic....Mark Kuriansky's book "Cod" tells the story so well.
>
> We so often look @ history from the American perspective only...but
> the mighty Cod has fed mankind for hundreds of years. Who knew.. the
> Bosque were sailing to the Grand Banks (long before anyone was even
> thinking about America) harvesting cod, salting it, sailing back to
> Europe and selling it to the Catholics in Spain!
> Their livelihoods too dried up when the rest of Europe "discovered"
> the American Cod Banks.
> Americas history IS story of Cod Anyone on this who loves boats, the
> sea or eating would love this little book
>
> I came away thinking...... We(mankind) owe Cod a whole lot.........
> Let's give em a break.. They'll come back and feed us for another
> thousand years.
>
>
>
>
> On 02/03/2013 07:10 AM, c.ruzer wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> >
> > > As a footnote:
> >
> > > ...ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft,
> >
> >http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/31/us/northeast-cod-fishing-cuts/index.html?iref=obnetwork
> >
> > Historic cod fishing cuts threaten centuries-old industry in New England
> >
> > ...But Gloucester, like many coastal towns, now faces the largest cuts
> > ever to the region's commercial fishing industry. An advisory council
> > voted Wednesday to slash cod catch rates by 77% in the Gulf of Maine,
> > a region roughly the size of Indiana that extends from Cape Cod up
> > through Nova Scotia.
> >
> > ...While larger commercial trawlers capable of traveling to more
> > distant fishing grounds are expected to survive, the plan will likely
> > cost most of the region's smaller crews their jobs.
> >
> > "Fifteen years from now, it'll all be corporate," Robillard said. "The
> > mom-and-pop days are over."
> >
> > ...Environmentalists say depleted stocks show the region needs time to
> > recover in order to save it.
> >
> > But fishermen are furious.
> >
> >
>
We so often look @ history from the American perspective only...but the mighty Cod has fed mankind for hundreds of years. Who knew.. the Bosque were sailing to the Grand Banks (long before anyone was even thinking about America) harvesting cod, salting it, sailing back to Europe and selling it to the Catholics in Spain!
Their livelihoods too dried up when the rest of Europe "discovered" the American Cod Banks.
Americas history IS story of Cod Anyone on this who loves boats, the sea or eating would love this little book
I came away thinking...... We(mankind) owe Cod a whole lot......... Let's give em a break.. They'll come back and feed us for another thousand years.
On 02/03/2013 07:10 AM, c.ruzer wrote:
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
> As a footnote:
> ...ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft,
http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/31/us/northeast-cod-fishing-cuts/index.html?iref=obnetwork
Historic cod fishing cuts threaten centuries-old industry in New England
...But Gloucester, like many coastal towns, now faces the largest cuts ever to the region's commercial fishing industry. An advisory council voted Wednesday to slash cod catch rates by 77% in the Gulf of Maine, a region roughly the size of Indiana that extends from Cape Cod up through Nova Scotia.
...While larger commercial trawlers capable of traveling to more distant fishing grounds are expected to survive, the plan will likely cost most of the region's smaller crews their jobs.
"Fifteen years from now, it'll all be corporate," Robillard said. "The mom-and-pop days are over."
...Environmentalists say depleted stocks show the region needs time to recover in order to save it.
But fishermen are furious.
> As a footnote:http://edition.cnn.com/2013/01/31/us/northeast-cod-fishing-cuts/index.html?iref=obnetwork
> ...ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft,
Historic cod fishing cuts threaten centuries-old industry in New England
...But Gloucester, like many coastal towns, now faces the largest cuts ever to the region's commercial fishing industry. An advisory council voted Wednesday to slash cod catch rates by 77% in the Gulf of Maine, a region roughly the size of Indiana that extends from Cape Cod up through Nova Scotia.
...While larger commercial trawlers capable of traveling to more distant fishing grounds are expected to survive, the plan will likely cost most of the region's smaller crews their jobs.
"Fifteen years from now, it'll all be corporate," Robillard said. "The mom-and-pop days are over."
...Environmentalists say depleted stocks show the region needs time to recover in order to save it.
But fishermen are furious.
>>>>As a footnote:
Between 60 design-projects with Phil - along with numerous concept-studies - across craft ranging from 84" to 270', a good amount of shared by-lines in print insisted upon by him, plus continuing relationships with USN post-052409, ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft, and the gradual re-acceleration of design-work (as shared in MAIB), it seems clear that 'the mantle' keeps hanging in this office - as Phil schemed in 1993 when he proposed to pull me into his universe of work, life and love.
This contrasts sharply with some folks' apparently any less-than-flattering assumptions about my role at PB&F; Phil could always do his own coffee, secretarial duties, or getting the groceries.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F <<<<<
Susanne,
I for one am glad to see that you are continuing Phil’s work and getting things to the point where you (and friends/associates?) can begin turning out ne design work that embodies concepts that Phil would espouse. Things change, and things re-new as the world turns.
If anyone has study plans for Windemere and can point me toward where I can see them on the Net, I would appreciate it. I may never build a new boat over fifteen feet long again, but that does not stem my enjoyment in looking over the potential candidates, and at this time I am interested in a design that can do the traditional Elco role, but in a more modern and contemporary design.
Off Topic completely: I noted in the news today that Cod fishing for the Georges bank and other in-shore locations has been cut by about 30% recently, with corresponding cuts in haddock and flounder and other ground fish. Though I am only in my mid sixties….I can remember when an order of cod was served as mature fish, and not the babies that show up now a days. So, intuitively, I suspect the cut on harvest may be necessary to save the commercial species in the future. (Here in Georgia I pre-date the movement to eat bait fish, like croakers, also!)
I would be interested in hearing your opinions and observations, Susanne, here or in a MAIB article, on how this may affect your efforts to revitalize the portside economy in MA, and the designs you and Phil put forward for smaller, more sustainable craft some years ago. This is one of a number of economic and resource related issues that first struck me about twenty years ago when I returned to America from a foreign sojourn and became personally aware of the changes occurring in food supplies and other areas..
More OT: The patrol landing craft project seems to be finally maturing and will hopefully splash soon, Have you considered a “block two” design of it with emphasis on mass production to enhance marketability?
Regards, SSK
I’ve followed Phil Bolger’s work since around 1970 when I purchased a portfolio of plans which later formed the basis forSmall Boats. PCB drew pretty boats and starkly functional, not very pretty boats. I think his Gloucester Gull was a major factor in the resurgence of home built boats. He designed for all materials and building techniques. He was an early advocate of glued plywood lapstrake and stitch and glue construction (although he did not actually invent either). He developed his ‘sea of peas’ theory and was a master of sharpie design. In short, many divergent paths lead back to his thinking and innovation. One of those paths is minimalist plywood boats, generally built using stitch and glue. Jim Michalak is carrying on down that path. There are, in fact, other areas where PCB was an advocate/innovator and designers of glued plywood lapstrake boats based on more or less traditional hulls (Oughtred, Weldsford, John Brooks, and others) are continuing down that path.
Over the past 40 years, knowledge has grown, technology has changed, and new materials have become available (while some old materials have disappeared). Some of PCB’s designs have held up well while some may be of interest only to romantics who wish to replicate the past. However, PCB’s body of work is, in many respects, the font of many schools of boat designs. I wish he were still with us and I’m glad that he inspired others who follow him.
JohnT
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
bolger@yahoogroups.com ]On Behalf OfJake Peters
Sent:Thursday, January 31, 2013
11:26 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] That HALO
riff (was Re: Elco 26 Imitation??) PB&F at 60+ years
I always assumed you were nothing less than a full partner in all aspects. I am certainly glad that you carry on.
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:51 AM, <philbolger@...> wrote:
As a footnote:
Between 60 design-projects with Phil - along with numerous concept-studies
- across craft ranging from 84" to 270', a good amount of shared by-lines
in print insisted upon by him, plus continuing relationships with USN
post-052409, ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft, and
the gradual re-acceleration of design-work (as shared in MAIB), it
seems clear that 'the mantle' keeps hanging in this office - as Phil schemed in
1993 when he proposed to pull me into his universe of work, life and love.
This contrasts sharply with some folks' apparently any
less-than-flattering assumptions about my role at PB&F; Phil could always
do his own coffee, secretarial duties, or getting the groceries.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----
From:c.ruzer
Sent:Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:36 AM
Subject:[bolger] That HALO riff (was Re: Elco 26 Imitation??)
I don't know about Michalak being a Bolger "disciple". That may be a regional take on the language. Can disciples ever be critical? Steer things their way rather than toward the master? I think it fair to say Michalak's thoughts on aspects of small boat design were heavily influenced by Bolger's. Michalak has said as much. I think Phil Bolger would have thought and certainly would have thought today that Michalak was a guy who did all his own thinking - a reputedly high accolade from Bolger. There's lots of stuff out there riffing on how Michalak somehow has inherited THE Mantle. Superceded. How HALO has passed from Forerunner. Yet, like prior stuff emerging out of Cryptum, verily, even Born Everlasting as THE Didact hearing the Precurser, it's just much fiction like from Microsoft and a Bear - contain it. Can't contain the Flood.
********************
More accolade.
Small Craft Advisor: We've noticed a lot of Phil Bolger-"inspired" (sic) plans floating around for sale. What are your feelings about this?
Bolger: It's nice to be imitated when it's competently done. We get very irritated when people knock off our plans and sell them without paying us royalties. We also get irritated when someone with pretension to be a designer picks up one does something wrong with it and sells it.
Right now, Dynamite Payson has rights to sell about twenty of our designs. He's an old friend, and on about half of those he did much of the development work. That's entirely legitimate, but that is the only source for our plans, other than Phil Bolger and Friends, that we call "legitimate".
Michalak's designs I highly approve of. He and I have been friends for a long time. He does not imitate us but carries on the minimilist principle in a similar spirit.
*******************
Cheers from out the hottest and wettest it's ever been
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Long" wrote:
>
> Honestly, Susanne, I would take it as form of flattery. Jim Michalak's designs have long been part of this discussion group--a quick search shows over 2,400 messages mentioning "Michalak" going back to 1999.
>
> Jim has taken on a few of Phil's many innovations--in this case the developed plywood sheet small boat, the Birdwatcher cabin and a fondness for lug sails--and continued to riff on those chords for quite a few years now, developing a stable of designs to fill a wide range of amateur builder needs. Jim would be the first to admit that he builds on the Bolger/Payson instant boat legacy and, I would add, with a touch of his own creativity.
>
> I think that most of us consider Jim to be a Bolger "disciple," a tribute to Phil's lasting influence on amateur building and small boat design.
>
> Cheers from Nairobi ,
>
> Matthew
On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 9:51 AM,<philbolger@...>wrote:As a footnote:
Between 60 design-projects with Phil - along with numerous concept-studies - across craft ranging from 84" to 270', a good amount of shared by-lines in print insisted upon by him, plus continuing relationships with USN post-052409, ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft, and the gradual re-acceleration of design-work (as shared in MAIB), it seems clear that 'the mantle' keeps hanging in this office - as Phil schemed in 1993 when he proposed to pull me into his universe of work, life and love.
This contrasts sharply with some folks' apparently any less-than-flattering assumptions about my role at PB&F; Phil could always do his own coffee, secretarial duties, or getting the groceries.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F----- Original Message -----From:c.ruzerSent:Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:36 AMSubject:[bolger] That HALO riff (was Re: Elco 26 Imitation??)
I don't know about Michalak being a Bolger "disciple". That may be a regional take on the language. Can disciples ever be critical? Steer things their way rather than toward the master? I think it fair to say Michalak's thoughts on aspects of small boat design were heavily influenced by Bolger's. Michalak has said as much. I think Phil Bolger would have thought and certainly would have thought today that Michalak was a guy who did all his own thinking - a reputedly high accolade from Bolger. There's lots of stuff out there riffing on how Michalak somehow has inherited THE Mantle. Superceded. How HALO has passed from Forerunner. Yet, like prior stuff emerging out of Cryptum, verily, even Born Everlasting as THE Didact hearing the Precurser, it's just much fiction like from Microsoft and a Bear - contain it. Can't contain the Flood.
********************
More accolade.
Small Craft Advisor: We've noticed a lot of Phil Bolger-"inspired" (sic) plans floating around for sale. What are your feelings about this?
Bolger: It's nice to be imitated when it's competently done. We get very irritated when people knock off our plans and sell them without paying us royalties. We also get irritated when someone with pretension to be a designer picks up one does something wrong with it and sells it.
Right now, Dynamite Payson has rights to sell about twenty of our designs. He's an old friend, and on about half of those he did much of the development work. That's entirely legitimate, but that is the only source for our plans, other than Phil Bolger and Friends, that we call "legitimate".
Michalak's designs I highly approve of. He and I have been friends for a long time. He does not imitate us but carries on the minimilist principle in a similar spirit.
*******************
Cheers from out the hottest and wettest it's ever been
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Long" wrote:
>
> Honestly, Susanne, I would take it as form of flattery. Jim Michalak's designs have long been part of this discussion group--a quick search shows over 2,400 messages mentioning "Michalak" going back to 1999.
>
> Jim has taken on a few of Phil's many innovations--in this case the developed plywood sheet small boat, the Birdwatcher cabin and a fondness for lug sails--and continued to riff on those chords for quite a few years now, developing a stable of designs to fill a wide range of amateur builder needs. Jim would be the first to admit that he builds on the Bolger/Payson instant boat legacy and, I would add, with a touch of his own creativity.
>
> I think that most of us consider Jim to be a Bolger "disciple," a tribute to Phil's lasting influence on amateur building and small boat design.
>
> Cheers from Nairobi,
>
> Matthew
Between 60 design-projects with Phil - along with numerous concept-studies - across craft ranging from 84" to 270', a good amount of shared by-lines in print insisted upon by him, plus continuing relationships with USN post-052409, ongoing work towards sustainable fishing-craft, and the gradual re-acceleration of design-work (as shared in MAIB), it seems clear that 'the mantle' keeps hanging in this office - as Phil schemed in 1993 when he proposed to pull me into his universe of work, life and love.
This contrasts sharply with some folks' apparently any less-than-flattering assumptions about my role at PB&F; Phil could always do his own coffee, secretarial duties, or getting the groceries.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
----- Original Message -----From:c.ruzerSent:Thursday, January 31, 2013 6:36 AMSubject:[bolger] That HALO riff (was Re: Elco 26 Imitation??)
I don't know about Michalak being a Bolger "disciple". That may be a regional take on the language. Can disciples ever be critical? Steer things their way rather than toward the master? I think it fair to say Michalak's thoughts on aspects of small boat design were heavily influenced by Bolger's. Michalak has said as much. I think Phil Bolger would have thought and certainly would have thought today that Michalak was a guy who did all his own thinking - a reputedly high accolade from Bolger. There's lots of stuff out there riffing on how Michalak somehow has inherited THE Mantle. Superceded. How HALO has passed from Forerunner. Yet, like prior stuff emerging out of Cryptum, verily, even Born Everlasting as THE Didact hearing the Precurser, it's just much fiction like from Microsoft and a Bear - contain it. Can't contain the Flood.
********************
More accolade.
Small Craft Advisor: We've noticed a lot of Phil Bolger-"inspired" (sic) plans floating around for sale. What are your feelings about this?
Bolger: It's nice to be imitated when it's competently done. We get very irritated when people knock off our plans and sell them without paying us royalties. We also get irritated when someone with pretension to be a designer picks up one does something wrong with it and sells it.
Right now, Dynamite Payson has rights to sell about twenty of our designs. He's an old friend, and on about half of those he did much of the development work. That's entirely legitimate, but that is the only source for our plans, other than Phil Bolger and Friends, that we call "legitimate".
Michalak's designs I highly approve of. He and I have been friends for a long time. He does not imitate us but carries on the minimilist principle in a similar spirit.
*******************
Cheers from out the hottest and wettest it's ever been
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Long" wrote:
>
> Honestly, Susanne, I would take it as form of flattery. Jim Michalak's designs have long been part of this discussion group--a quick search shows over 2,400 messages mentioning "Michalak" going back to 1999.
>
> Jim has taken on a few of Phil's many innovations--in this case the developed plywood sheet small boat, the Birdwatcher cabin and a fondness for lug sails--and continued to riff on those chords for quite a few years now, developing a stable of designs to fill a wide range of amateur builder needs. Jim would be the first to admit that he builds on the Bolger/Payson instant boat legacy and, I would add, with a touch of his own creativity.
>
> I think that most of us consider Jim to be a Bolger "disciple," a tribute to Phil's lasting influence on amateur building and small boat design.
>
> Cheers from Nairobi,
>
> Matthew
********************
More accolade.
Small Craft Advisor: We've noticed a lot of Phil Bolger-"inspired" (sic) plans floating around for sale. What are your feelings about this?
Bolger: It's nice to be imitated when it's competently done. We get very irritated when people knock off our plans and sell them without paying us royalties. We also get irritated when someone with pretension to be a designer picks up one does something wrong with it and sells it.
Right now, Dynamite Payson has rights to sell about twenty of our designs. He's an old friend, and on about half of those he did much of the development work. That's entirely legitimate, but that is the only source for our plans, other than Phil Bolger and Friends, that we call "legitimate".
Michalak's designs I highly approve of. He and I have been friends for a long time. He does not imitate us but carries on the minimilist principle in a similar spirit.
*******************
Cheers from out the hottest and wettest it's ever been
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "Matthew Long" wrote:
>
> Honestly, Susanne, I would take it as form of flattery. Jim Michalak's designs have long been part of this discussion group--a quick search shows over 2,400 messages mentioning "Michalak" going back to 1999.
>
> Jim has taken on a few of Phil's many innovations--in this case the developed plywood sheet small boat, the Birdwatcher cabin and a fondness for lug sails--and continued to riff on those chords for quite a few years now, developing a stable of designs to fill a wide range of amateur builder needs. Jim would be the first to admit that he builds on the Bolger/Payson instant boat legacy and, I would add, with a touch of his own creativity.
>
> I think that most of us consider Jim to be a Bolger "disciple," a tribute to Phil's lasting influence on amateur building and small boat design.
>
> Cheers from Nairobi,
>
> Matthew