Re: [bolger] Re: Big Sharpie?
Volume 18- Number 7 MAIB Aug 15 2000. " Steel Auxiliary Sailing
Narrowboat." Pg 26.
HJ
Phil Smith wrote:
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% Harrywelshman@...
Narrowboat." Pg 26.
HJ
Phil Smith wrote:
>--
> > See message 6176, re Keel Sharpie 55.
> >
> > I also just read somewhere about a Bolger-proposal for a big metal
> > sharpie for an Atlantic crossing and European canal cruising. In the
> > write-up, he indicated (this is my summary) that it was too much of a
> > stretch and would be very uncomfortable at sea, and probably not a
> > good idea all around.
> >
>
> I hope not. He's designing something like that for me.
>
> Phil Smith
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
_ _ _ _ _
% Harrywelshman@...
* Grand Banks fisherman dont seem afraid of flat bottoms in a seaway, even
* with a few ton of fish flopping around the deck., & a big sail area.
* Jeff Gilbert
Not sure what you mean here. Grand Banks dories are service boats, that
stayed aboard round-hulled boats, except when actually staffing the nets.
When they had sails (and this would certainly be exceedingly rare on the
Grand Banks) they were lightly canvased.
It's true that dories would carry a load, and without such a load in the
boat, they were quite squirrely.
I'd consider a motorized dory for blue water travel, but I'd avoid the
blue-water cruising dory, unless substantially modified (e.g., Badger).
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
* with a few ton of fish flopping around the deck., & a big sail area.
* Jeff Gilbert
Not sure what you mean here. Grand Banks dories are service boats, that
stayed aboard round-hulled boats, except when actually staffing the nets.
When they had sails (and this would certainly be exceedingly rare on the
Grand Banks) they were lightly canvased.
It's true that dories would carry a load, and without such a load in the
boat, they were quite squirrely.
I'd consider a motorized dory for blue water travel, but I'd avoid the
blue-water cruising dory, unless substantially modified (e.g., Badger).
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Jeff thanks for the sharpie info. I just thought I had read the word
sharpie and 60-footer together somewhere. I read a lot, so I no doubt got
mixed up somewhere along the line. I've always had a yen for sharpies, and
a live aboard boat has been one of my dreams too. When I first joined this
group you might remember the purpose was to learn something about kayak
design because I was researching a long kayaking trip. However, since being
a member of this group and the boatdesign group, I've kind of shifted focus
to sail. I'm not giving up my kayaking; still going to build a kayak too,
but I think I'm going to build a Teal or Windsprint first. I will check
Accumar's sharpie as well as Mr. Brewer's, but the idea of designing my own
sharpie has not eluded me. I'm a newby, and I know this will take some
years, but I have begun my study of boat design on my own (which I gather
you know something about). I do have questions about the sea-worthiness of
the AS39, and sharpies in general, because I would like to cross the
Atlantic when I retire and spend a summer (or longer) in Europe. I live on
the east coast, but my home when I retire will be in British Columbia, and I
have to get there somehow, and I would prefer by boat. Thanks again to all
members of this group; I'm learning a lot.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Gilbert [mailto:jgilbert@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:01 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Big Sharpie?
Frank
Accumar make a lovely 39ft Sharpie.
Sitting HR is the price for its slim looks.
Its on databoat.com
But the prettiest of all is Centennial,
by Edward S Brewer (Ted)
If you owned that, you wouldnt care about the 26ft
it is short of 60.
His boats are on databoat too, but i
dunno about this one.
Of course you could read Capelle, then design your own.
You were talking of trying your hand, a sharpie is a good place to
start (dunno about a 60-er though).
A sixty foot sharpie would relally gallop in a blow.
A chap over here single-handing his brand new
4000 hour self-built 33er scared himself silly when it took off
in a blow like a startled Clydesdale.
He put it on the market.
Jeff Gilbert
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
sharpie and 60-footer together somewhere. I read a lot, so I no doubt got
mixed up somewhere along the line. I've always had a yen for sharpies, and
a live aboard boat has been one of my dreams too. When I first joined this
group you might remember the purpose was to learn something about kayak
design because I was researching a long kayaking trip. However, since being
a member of this group and the boatdesign group, I've kind of shifted focus
to sail. I'm not giving up my kayaking; still going to build a kayak too,
but I think I'm going to build a Teal or Windsprint first. I will check
Accumar's sharpie as well as Mr. Brewer's, but the idea of designing my own
sharpie has not eluded me. I'm a newby, and I know this will take some
years, but I have begun my study of boat design on my own (which I gather
you know something about). I do have questions about the sea-worthiness of
the AS39, and sharpies in general, because I would like to cross the
Atlantic when I retire and spend a summer (or longer) in Europe. I live on
the east coast, but my home when I retire will be in British Columbia, and I
have to get there somehow, and I would prefer by boat. Thanks again to all
members of this group; I'm learning a lot.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Gilbert [mailto:jgilbert@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 3:01 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Big Sharpie?
Frank
Accumar make a lovely 39ft Sharpie.
Sitting HR is the price for its slim looks.
Its on databoat.com
But the prettiest of all is Centennial,
by Edward S Brewer (Ted)
If you owned that, you wouldnt care about the 26ft
it is short of 60.
His boats are on databoat too, but i
dunno about this one.
Of course you could read Capelle, then design your own.
You were talking of trying your hand, a sharpie is a good place to
start (dunno about a 60-er though).
A sixty foot sharpie would relally gallop in a blow.
A chap over here single-handing his brand new
4000 hour self-built 33er scared himself silly when it took off
in a blow like a startled Clydesdale.
He put it on the market.
Jeff Gilbert
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
I do have questions about the sea-worthiness of
the sharpie/shallow draft thing down pretty well.
As to the seaworthiness of Loose Moose 2 and shallow draft in general Phil
makes a pretty convincing case and Sheila and I know from personal
experience that it works. I hate to say it out loud but most of the people
discussing seaworthiness and what makes a boat safe have a very limited
knowledge of the subject( I am not refering to this list by the way). When
it comes down to "yacht design" most of the development has been overly
influenced by racing and fashion and the wters are very muddy indeed.
A well designed and executed boat is seaworthy...whether it be shoal draft
or deep draft, monohull or multihull.
Bob & Sheila
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
http://www.paradiseconnections.com
> the AS39, and sharpies in general, because I would like to cross theon
> Atlantic when I retire and spend a summer (or longer) in Europe. I live
> the east coast, but my home when I retire will be in British Columbia, andI
> have to get there somehow, and I would prefer by boat. Thanks again toall
> members of this group; I'm learning a lot.I would also point you in the direction of Reul Parkers designs as he has
the sharpie/shallow draft thing down pretty well.
As to the seaworthiness of Loose Moose 2 and shallow draft in general Phil
makes a pretty convincing case and Sheila and I know from personal
experience that it works. I hate to say it out loud but most of the people
discussing seaworthiness and what makes a boat safe have a very limited
knowledge of the subject( I am not refering to this list by the way). When
it comes down to "yacht design" most of the development has been overly
influenced by racing and fashion and the wters are very muddy indeed.
A well designed and executed boat is seaworthy...whether it be shoal draft
or deep draft, monohull or multihull.
Bob & Sheila
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
http://www.paradiseconnections.com
Peter Vanderwaart wrote:
Phil Smith
>Mine's not a sailboat for one thing.
>
> > I hope not. He's designing something like that for me.
> > Phil Smith
>
> Messing About In Boats, August 15, 2000, page 26:
>
> Design # 487: Steel Auxiliary Sailing Narrowboat "Weston Martyr."
> 45' LOA, 6'9" Beam, 1'6" (board up), 6'3" (board down)
>
> You can ask him how yours differs.
>
>
Phil Smith
> I hope not. He's designing something like that for me.Messing About In Boats, August 15, 2000, page 26:
> Phil Smith
Design # 487: Steel Auxiliary Sailing Narrowboat "Weston Martyr."
45' LOA, 6'9" Beam, 1'6" (board up), 6'3" (board down)
You can ask him how yours differs.
Peter
Frank
Accumar make a lovely 39ft Sharpie.
Sitting HR is the price for its slim looks.
Its on databoat.com
But the prettiest of all is Centennial,
by Edward S Brewer (Ted)
If you owned that, you wouldnt care about the 26ft
it is short of 60.
His boats are on databoat too, but i
dunno about this one.
Of course you could read Capelle, then design your own.
You were talking of trying your hand, a sharpie is a good place to
start (dunno about a 60-er though).
A sixty foot sharpie would relally gallop in a blow.
A chap over here single-handing his brand new
4000 hour self-built 33er scared himself silly when it took off
in a blow like a startled Clydesdale.
He put it on the market.
Jeff Gilbert
Accumar make a lovely 39ft Sharpie.
Sitting HR is the price for its slim looks.
Its on databoat.com
But the prettiest of all is Centennial,
by Edward S Brewer (Ted)
If you owned that, you wouldnt care about the 26ft
it is short of 60.
His boats are on databoat too, but i
dunno about this one.
Of course you could read Capelle, then design your own.
You were talking of trying your hand, a sharpie is a good place to
start (dunno about a 60-er though).
A sixty foot sharpie would relally gallop in a blow.
A chap over here single-handing his brand new
4000 hour self-built 33er scared himself silly when it took off
in a blow like a startled Clydesdale.
He put it on the market.
Jeff Gilbert
Peter Vanderwaart wrote:
Phil Smith
>I hope not. He's designing something like that for me.
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> > I remember seeing a reference in a posting about a big Bolger
> > sharpie. I think it was around 60' and maybe called Tahiti.
>
> See message 6176, re Keel Sharpie 55.
>
> I also just read somewhere about a Bolger-proposal for a big metal
> sharpie for an Atlantic crossing and European canal cruising. In the
> write-up, he indicated (this is my summary) that it was too much of a
> stretch and would be very uncomfortable at sea, and probably not a
> good idea all around.
>
Phil Smith
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
I also just read somewhere about a Bolger-proposal for a big metal
sharpie for an Atlantic crossing and European canal cruising. In the
write-up, he indicated (this is my summary) that it was too much of a
stretch and would be very uncomfortable at sea, and probably not a
good idea all around.
Peter
> I remember seeing a reference in a posting about a big BolgerSee message 6176, re Keel Sharpie 55.
> sharpie. I think it was around 60' and maybe called Tahiti.
I also just read somewhere about a Bolger-proposal for a big metal
sharpie for an Atlantic crossing and European canal cruising. In the
write-up, he indicated (this is my summary) that it was too much of a
stretch and would be very uncomfortable at sea, and probably not a
good idea all around.
Peter
Thanks Frank.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank San Miguel [mailto:sanmi@...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:08 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Big Sharpie?
Tahiti is a 40' motor vessel with a sharpie-built hull that has an
extra cutwater that gives her another chine in the bow (so it isn't
really a sharpie hull). She is an offshore voyager and is being
built in Florida sans-website. She is described in great detail
in "Messing About In Boats",Vol 17, Issues 12, 13, 14 (Nov 1, Nov 15,
Dec 1 of 1999).
Loose Moose II (AF39) is a big sharpie. There is also a design that
looks like a 60' Micro, though that doesn't have a sharpie hull.
I don't know of any 60' sharpie designs on the web.
If you search the egroups postings via the web site
http://www.egroups.com/list/bolger/info.html,you'll find some info
about LM2 and some other sharpies.
Frank
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank San Miguel [mailto:sanmi@...]
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 3:08 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Big Sharpie?
Tahiti is a 40' motor vessel with a sharpie-built hull that has an
extra cutwater that gives her another chine in the bow (so it isn't
really a sharpie hull). She is an offshore voyager and is being
built in Florida sans-website. She is described in great detail
in "Messing About In Boats",Vol 17, Issues 12, 13, 14 (Nov 1, Nov 15,
Dec 1 of 1999).
Loose Moose II (AF39) is a big sharpie. There is also a design that
looks like a 60' Micro, though that doesn't have a sharpie hull.
I don't know of any 60' sharpie designs on the web.
If you search the egroups postings via the web site
http://www.egroups.com/list/bolger/info.html,you'll find some info
about LM2 and some other sharpies.
Frank
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> I remember seeing a reference in a posting about a big Bolger
> sharpie. I think it was around 60' and maybe called Tahiti. Am I
> mistaken or is there such a boat? Is there a web site of anyone
that
> has built one? Where can I find information on this design? Thanks
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Tahiti is a 40' motor vessel with a sharpie-built hull that has an
extra cutwater that gives her another chine in the bow (so it isn't
really a sharpie hull). She is an offshore voyager and is being
built in Florida sans-website. She is described in great detail
in "Messing About In Boats",Vol 17, Issues 12, 13, 14 (Nov 1, Nov 15,
Dec 1 of 1999).
Loose Moose II (AF39) is a big sharpie. There is also a design that
looks like a 60' Micro, though that doesn't have a sharpie hull.
I don't know of any 60' sharpie designs on the web.
If you search the egroups postings via the web site
http://www.egroups.com/list/bolger/info.html,you'll find some info
about LM2 and some other sharpies.
Frank
extra cutwater that gives her another chine in the bow (so it isn't
really a sharpie hull). She is an offshore voyager and is being
built in Florida sans-website. She is described in great detail
in "Messing About In Boats",Vol 17, Issues 12, 13, 14 (Nov 1, Nov 15,
Dec 1 of 1999).
Loose Moose II (AF39) is a big sharpie. There is also a design that
looks like a 60' Micro, though that doesn't have a sharpie hull.
I don't know of any 60' sharpie designs on the web.
If you search the egroups postings via the web site
http://www.egroups.com/list/bolger/info.html,you'll find some info
about LM2 and some other sharpies.
Frank
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> I remember seeing a reference in a posting about a big Bolger
> sharpie. I think it was around 60' and maybe called Tahiti. Am I
> mistaken or is there such a boat? Is there a web site of anyone
that
> has built one? Where can I find information on this design? Thanks
I remember seeing a reference in a posting about a big Bolger
sharpie. I think it was around 60' and maybe called Tahiti. Am I
mistaken or is there such a boat? Is there a web site of anyone that
has built one? Where can I find information on this design? Thanks
sharpie. I think it was around 60' and maybe called Tahiti. Am I
mistaken or is there such a boat? Is there a web site of anyone that
has built one? Where can I find information on this design? Thanks
Chris
What I mean is I dont know what Im talking about
in this instance.
Was under impression some of the mother
ships were big dories.
Better keep to stuff I know.
Thanks.
Jeff.
What I mean is I dont know what Im talking about
in this instance.
Was under impression some of the mother
ships were big dories.
Better keep to stuff I know.
Thanks.
Jeff.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Crandall <crandall@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2000 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: Big Sharpie?
* Grand Banks fisherman dont seem afraid of flat bottoms in a seaway, even
* with a few ton of fish flopping around the deck., & a big sail area.
* Jeff Gilbert
Not sure what you mean here. Grand Banks dories are service boats, that
stayed aboard round-hulled boats, except when actually staffing the nets.
When they had sails (and this would certainly be exceedingly rare on the
Grand Banks) they were lightly canvased.
It's true that dories would carry a load, and without such a load in the
boat, they were quite squirrely.
I'd consider a motorized dory for blue water travel, but I'd avoid the
blue-water cruising dory, unless substantially modified (e.g., Badger).
Chris Crandallcrandall@...(785) 864-4131
Department of Psychology University of Kansas Lawrence, KS 66045
I have data convincingly disconfirming the Duhem-Quine hypothesis.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
Frank, Some comments
*If I were crossing the atlantic in a mono id simply put a keel on,
and site tankage low to return positive ultimate bouyancy.
*Most of the long sharpies are pretty narrow length:beam, so
this shouldnt be too hard.
*If you are a resonable seaman, can get adequate rest on passage,
I reckon youd be fine.
*Most monos in a storm can handle more than their crew.
* Grand Banks fisherman dont seem afraid of flat bottoms
in a seaway, even with a few ton of fish flopping
around the deck., & a big sail area.
Jeff Gilbert
Frank says ****************************************
I do have questions about the sea-worthiness of
the AS39, and sharpies in general, because I would like to cross the
Atlantic when I retire and spend a summer (or longer) in Europe
*If I were crossing the atlantic in a mono id simply put a keel on,
and site tankage low to return positive ultimate bouyancy.
*Most of the long sharpies are pretty narrow length:beam, so
this shouldnt be too hard.
*If you are a resonable seaman, can get adequate rest on passage,
I reckon youd be fine.
*Most monos in a storm can handle more than their crew.
* Grand Banks fisherman dont seem afraid of flat bottoms
in a seaway, even with a few ton of fish flopping
around the deck., & a big sail area.
Jeff Gilbert
Frank says ****************************************
I do have questions about the sea-worthiness of
the AS39, and sharpies in general, because I would like to cross the
Atlantic when I retire and spend a summer (or longer) in Europe