RE: [bolger] Re: " In the Gloucester, MA News..." 2 items
Yes, this would be a terrible tragedy for the Olympia to be broken up. We
should be ashamed as a nation to let that happen. The Olympia is probably
the most rare naval relic we have.
I'm going to the web site today and make a contribution.
Tim
Enfield, NH
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It's worse than the funding for the Olympia just drying up. Some swindler,
or maybe it was swindlers, got into the organization taking care of the
Olympia and embezzled most of the funds!! <sigh> Losing the Olympia would
be a much greater historical tragedy than scrapping the New Jersey, since
we've got three other Iowa class battleships...
should be ashamed as a nation to let that happen. The Olympia is probably
the most rare naval relic we have.
I'm going to the web site today and make a contribution.
Tim
Enfield, NH
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It's worse than the funding for the Olympia just drying up. Some swindler,
or maybe it was swindlers, got into the organization taking care of the
Olympia and embezzled most of the funds!! <sigh> Losing the Olympia would
be a much greater historical tragedy than scrapping the New Jersey, since
we've got three other Iowa class battleships...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:34:21 -0800, michael n wrote:
> ...
> Here in my world on the Delaware River, the historic Battle Cruiser
> Olympia lies in her berth at Penns Landing, Philadelphia. Funding to
> maintain and repair this ship is dried up and she awaits an uncertain
> future that may involve scrapping her, the last US warship that fought
> in the Spanish American War.
> ...
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It's worse than the funding for the Olympia just drying up. Some swindler,
or maybe it was swindlers, got into the organization taking care of the
Olympia and embezzled most of the funds!! <sigh> Losing the Olympia would
be a much greater historical tragedy than scrapping the New Jersey, since
we've got three other Iowa class battleships...
or maybe it was swindlers, got into the organization taking care of the
Olympia and embezzled most of the funds!! <sigh> Losing the Olympia would
be a much greater historical tragedy than scrapping the New Jersey, since
we've got three other Iowa class battleships...
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 09:34:21 -0800, michael n wrote:
> ...
> Here in my world on the Delaware River, the historic Battle Cruiser
> Olympia lies in her berth at Penns Landing, Philadelphia. Funding to
> maintain and repair this ship is dried up and she awaits an uncertain
> future that may involve scrapping her, the last US warship that fought
> in the Spanish American War.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
All the troubles of man come from his not knowing how to sit still.
(Blaise Pascal)
Two general observations:
One of the things I learned in college is that “the way thins are” cannot be changed by main force. However, if you chip away at the edges of “the way things are” you can, over time, change things. It does, however, take time and patience.
Second, while the lone advocate is admirable, setting up a group of people (perhaps a “foundation”) to lobby state legislators is more effective. Around here, well placed campaign contributions (or affiliations with established contributors) are helpful.
Good luck.
JohnT
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12:34 PM
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Subject:[bolger] Re: " In
the Gloucester ,
MA News..." 2 items
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,
wrote:
>fishing- and all sorts of craft and thus the productive future of Phil's Homeport.
> Hello All.
> Obscure to most, but our focus for a fair bit in the context of low-carbon
>href="http://www.gloucestertimes.com/letters/x1525010701/Letter-Let-state-fish-pier-be-model-for-I-4-C-2">http://www.gloucestertimes.com/letters/x1525010701/Letter-Let-state-fish-pier-be-model-for-I-4-C-2
> I suggest reading them in this sequence:
>
> #1. is a Letter to the Editor:
>
>unexpectedly, with me being 'caught' underslept and under-hydrated for a sudden photo-shoot looking as bad as it gets... ' Oh well...' Focus on the 'other' visuals.
> #2. is a Bottom-of-Front-Page Report by the Gloucester Daily Times done
>href="http://www.gloucestertimes.com/topstories/x730439356/Boat-developer-urges-city-push-on-I-4-C-2">http://www.gloucestertimes.com/topstories/x730439356/Boat-developer-urges-city-push-on-I-4-C-2
>Hi Susanne,
> This is as far as I can go pushing the issue locally.
>
> Back to work...
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
I applaud you in your efforts in bringing a Maritime Heritage Center to Gloucester . The readers comments were most distressing but so typical of the times we live in. It's regretful to read the back and forth between yourself and those Knights of the Keyboard; you should have known it was an argument you would never win; I'm not sure why you elected to go back and forth with some of those folks....
Here in my world on the Delaware River, the historic Battle Cruiser Olympia lies in her berth at Penns Landing, Philadelphia . Funding to maintain and repair this ship is dried up and she awaits an uncertain future that may involve scrapping her, the last US warship that fought in the Spanish American War. Directly across the river on the Camden , NJ waterfront, the USS New Jersey faces an uncertain future too, as tourist dollars have shrunk while maintenance and staffing costs has increased. There was talk of her moving on to Hoboken , NJ , close to the New York City skyline and hopefully, more tourist dollars. Just down river of the Olympia lies the SS United States, once the fastest passenger ship to cross the Atlantic . It too awaits a future placed in doubt. A small consortium lives on borrowed time in trying to save her from the scrapper. Dollars are hard to find; a local philanthropist donated a million some odd dollars to keep the dream alive, but who knows how long the dream will go on?
My area has turned it's back to it's maritime history. The Delaware River has a maritime heritage as rich as any other in the US but you would never know it today. Just as an outsiders view of Gloucester , I see the same attitudes play forth there as it has played out here. Down here, with a dense population and the potential for tapping into those dollars, these historic vessels barely manage to exist. And as such, they are mere window dressing with little meaning to an uncaring populace. It's my belief as time goes on and the population dumbs down to it's past history, we can expect more folks turning their back to what made the regions in our country so important. I see that in your hometown, who wishes an immediate return of tax revenues totalling 75 thousand dollars. And I see it in a population that would rather see an empty lot rather then a chance at something great and giving back to the citizenry. As a whole, we seem to have lost our vision and optimism for a future better then the malaise we are stuck in today....
I'm building a Microtrawler in the backyard. When she is done, she will join a single digit total of homemade cruiser boats on the upper tidal Delaware River here, built by hand instead of on an assembly line like the hundreds or thousands of fiberglass wonders that ply the waters in the warm weather months. That too, should say something about what instant gratification versus long term commitment means to our pleasure boating populace, a discussion for another day! Be well and take care!
Michael Notigan
Bordentown , New Jersey
>
--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
I applaud you in your efforts in bringing a Maritime Heritage Center to Gloucester. The readers comments were most distressing but so typical of the times we live in. It's regretful to read the back and forth between yourself and those Knights of the Keyboard; you should have known it was an argument you would never win; I'm not sure why you elected to go back and forth with some of those folks....
Here in my world on the Delaware River, the historic Battle Cruiser Olympia lies in her berth at Penns Landing, Philadelphia. Funding to maintain and repair this ship is dried up and she awaits an uncertain future that may involve scrapping her, the last US warship that fought in the Spanish American War. Directly across the river on the Camden, NJ waterfront, the USS New Jersey faces an uncertain future too, as tourist dollars have shrunk while maintenance and staffing costs has increased. There was talk of her moving on to Hoboken, NJ, close to the New York City skyline and hopefully, more tourist dollars. Just down river of the Olympia lies the SS United States, once the fastest passenger ship to cross the Atlantic. It too awaits a future placed in doubt. A small consortium lives on borrowed time in trying to save her from the scrapper. Dollars are hard to find; a local philanthropist donated a million some odd dollars to keep the dream alive, but who knows how long the dream will go on?
My area has turned it's back to it's maritime history. The Delaware River has a maritime heritage as rich as any other in the US but you would never know it today. Just as an outsiders view of Gloucester, I see the same attitudes play forth there as it has played out here. Down here, with a dense population and the potential for tapping into those dollars, these historic vessels barely manage to exist. And as such, they are mere window dressing with little meaning to an uncaring populace. It's my belief as time goes on and the population dumbs down to it's past history, we can expect more folks turning their back to what made the regions in our country so important. I see that in your hometown, who wishes an immediate return of tax revenues totalling 75 thousand dollars. And I see it in a population that would rather see an empty lot rather then a chance at something great and giving back to the citizenry. As a whole, we seem to have lost our vision and optimism for a future better then the malaise we are stuck in today....
I'm building a Microtrawler in the backyard. When she is done, she will join a single digit total of homemade cruiser boats on the upper tidal Delaware River here, built by hand instead of on an assembly line like the hundreds or thousands of fiberglass wonders that ply the waters in the warm weather months. That too, should say something about what instant gratification versus long term commitment means to our pleasure boating populace, a discussion for another day! Be well and take care!
Michael Notigan
Bordentown, New Jersey
>Hi Susanne,
> Hello All.
> Obscure to most, but our focus for a fair bit in the context of low-carbon fishing- and all sorts of craft and thus the productive future of Phil's Homeport.
>
> I suggest reading them in this sequence:
>
> #1. is a Letter to the Editor:
>http://www.gloucestertimes.com/letters/x1525010701/Letter-Let-state-fish-pier-be-model-for-I-4-C-2
>
> #2. is a Bottom-of-Front-Page Report by the Gloucester Daily Times done unexpectedly, with me being 'caught' underslept and under-hydrated for a sudden photo-shoot looking as bad as it gets... ' Oh well...' Focus on the 'other' visuals.
>http://www.gloucestertimes.com/topstories/x730439356/Boat-developer-urges-city-push-on-I-4-C-2
>
> This is as far as I can go pushing the issue locally.
>
> Back to work...
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
I applaud you in your efforts in bringing a Maritime Heritage Center to Gloucester. The readers comments were most distressing but so typical of the times we live in. It's regretful to read the back and forth between yourself and those Knights of the Keyboard; you should have known it was an argument you would never win; I'm not sure why you elected to go back and forth with some of those folks....
Here in my world on the Delaware River, the historic Battle Cruiser Olympia lies in her berth at Penns Landing, Philadelphia. Funding to maintain and repair this ship is dried up and she awaits an uncertain future that may involve scrapping her, the last US warship that fought in the Spanish American War. Directly across the river on the Camden, NJ waterfront, the USS New Jersey faces an uncertain future too, as tourist dollars have shrunk while maintenance and staffing costs has increased. There was talk of her moving on to Hoboken, NJ, close to the New York City skyline and hopefully, more tourist dollars. Just down river of the Olympia lies the SS United States, once the fastest passenger ship to cross the Atlantic. It too awaits a future placed in doubt. A small consortium lives on borrowed time in trying to save her from the scrapper. Dollars are hard to find; a local philanthropist donated a million some odd dollars to keep the dream alive, but who knows how long the dream will go on?
My area has turned it's back to it's maritime history. The Delaware River has a maritime heritage as rich as any other in the US but you would never know it today. Just as an outsiders view of Gloucester, I see the same attitudes play forth there as it has played out here. Down here, with a dense population and the potential for tapping into those dollars, these historic vessels barely manage to exist. And as such, they are mere window dressing with little meaning to an uncaring populace. It's my belief as time goes on and the population dumbs down to it's past history, we can expect more folks turning their back to what made the regions in our country so important. I see that in your hometown, who wishes an immediate return of tax revenues totalling 75 thousand dollars. And I see it in a population that would rather see an empty lot rather then a chance at something great and giving back to the citizenry. As a whole, we seem to have lost our vision and optimism for a future better then the malaise we are stuck in today....
I'm building a Microtrawler in the backyard. When she is done, she will join a single digit total of homemade cruiser boats on the upper tidal Delaware River here, built by hand instead of on an assembly line like the hundreds or thousands of fiberglass wonders that ply the waters in the warm weather months. That too, should say something about what instant gratification versus long term commitment means to our pleasure boating populace, a discussion for another day! Be well and take care!
Michael Notigan
Bordentown, New Jersey
>
Hello All.
Obscure to most, but our focus for a fair bit in the context of low-carbon fishing- and all sorts of craft and thus the productive future of Phil's Homeport.
I suggest reading them in this sequence:
#1. is a Letter to the Editor:
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/letters/x1525010701/Letter-Let-state-fish-pier-be-model-for-I-4-C-2
#2. is a Bottom-of-Front-Page Report by the Gloucester Daily Times done unexpectedly, with me being 'caught' underslept and under-hydrated for a sudden photo-shoot looking as bad as it gets... ' Oh well...' Focus on the 'other' visuals.
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/topstories/x730439356/Boat-developer-urges-city-push-on-I-4-C-2
This is as far as I can go pushing the issue locally.
Back to work...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Obscure to most, but our focus for a fair bit in the context of low-carbon fishing- and all sorts of craft and thus the productive future of Phil's Homeport.
I suggest reading them in this sequence:
#1. is a Letter to the Editor:
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/letters/x1525010701/Letter-Let-state-fish-pier-be-model-for-I-4-C-2
#2. is a Bottom-of-Front-Page Report by the Gloucester Daily Times done unexpectedly, with me being 'caught' underslept and under-hydrated for a sudden photo-shoot looking as bad as it gets... ' Oh well...' Focus on the 'other' visuals.
http://www.gloucestertimes.com/topstories/x730439356/Boat-developer-urges-city-push-on-I-4-C-2
This is as far as I can go pushing the issue locally.
Back to work...
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F