RE: Re: [bolger] RE: RE: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

The original "Instant Boats" with the Teal is gone, too. "Build the New Instant Boats" and "Boatbuilding With Dynamite Payson" are still there. 



---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

On 9/26/2013 9:43 AM,futabachan@...wrote:
 

That's really weird -- it's not there now. I have it in my Kindle account, and it used to be available by Kindle, but it's not there now.


It got removed about a year or so back.

I have it on my kindle also.

Mike Allison (North of Kansas City Mo, USA)
E-Mail:mysloop@...

Yeah I looked for yesterday too so I could buy it. Nope no kindle book.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 26, 2013, at 10:43 AM, <futabachan@...> wrote:

 

That's really weird -- it's not there now. I have it in my Kindle account, and it used to be available by Kindle, but it's not there now.

 



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Sue , haven't heard from you in a while

I couldn't find BWAOM in the kindle store, just a reference to it in paper.

HJ


On 9/25/2013 9:05 AM,futabachan@...wrote:

BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs. 



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format. 

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

 So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<davidjost@...>wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



On 9/26/2013 9:43 AM,futabachan@...wrote:

That's really weird -- it's not there now. I have it in my Kindle account, and it used to be available by Kindle, but it's not there now.


It got removed about a year or so back.

I have it on my kindle also.

Mike Allison (North of Kansas City Mo, USA)
E-Mail:mysloop@...

That's really weird -- it's not there now. I have it in my Kindle account, and it used to be available by Kindle, but it's not there now.

 



---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Sue , haven't heard from you in a while

I couldn't find BWAOM in the kindle store, just a reference to it in paper.

HJ


On 9/25/2013 9:05 AM,futabachan@...wrote:

BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs. 



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format. 

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

 So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<davidjost@...>wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



BWOM? By Word of Mouth?

To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: philbolger@...
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 15:59:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [bolger] RE: RE: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

 

Hello All.
McGraw-Hill only has rights to publish BWOM.  And they are not doing much business on that, it seems...
After a lot on this end, I’ll be back with more answers to various queries.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] RE: RE: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

Hi Harry and Sue!
 
I am wondering if the question needs to be addressed to the publisher instead of the author?  McGraw Hill (I think) owns the rights to publish the books published by International Marine Publishing. (Which covers most, if not all, of the PB&F catalog of books.)
 
 
 


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
 
Hi Sue , haven't heard from you in a while

I couldn't find BWAOM in the kindle store, just a reference to it in paper.

HJ



On 9/25/2013 9:05 AM,futabachan@...wrote:
BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs.


---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format.
I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.
So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)




---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,mailto:davidjost@...wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



 

Hello All.
McGraw-Hill only has rights to publish BWOM.  And they are not doing much business on that, it seems...
After a lot on this end, I’ll be back with more answers to various queries.
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Wednesday, September 25, 2013 1:47 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] RE: RE: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

Hi Harry and Sue!
 
I am wondering if the question needs to be addressed to the publisher instead of the author?  McGraw Hill (I think) owns the rights to publish the books published by International Marine Publishing. (Which covers most, if not all, of the PB&F catalog of books.)
 
 
 


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:
 
 

Hi Sue , haven't heard from you in a while

I couldn't find BWAOM in the kindle store, just a reference to it in paper.

HJ




On 9/25/2013 9:05 AM,futabachan@...wrote:

BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs.



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.comwrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format.

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,mailto:davidjost@...wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



Hi Harry and Sue!

I am wondering if the question needs to be addressed to the publisher instead of the author?  McGraw Hill (I think) owns the rights to publish the books published by International Marine Publishing. (Which covers most, if not all, of the PB&F catalog of books.)





On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Harry James<welshman@...>wrote:

Hi Sue , haven't heard from you in a while

I couldn't find BWAOM in the kindle store, just a reference to it in paper.

HJ




On 9/25/2013 9:05 AM,futabachan@...wrote:

BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs.



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format.

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<davidjost@...>wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost




Hi Sue , haven't heard from you in a while

I couldn't find BWAOM in the kindle store, just a reference to it in paper.

HJ


On 9/25/2013 9:05 AM,futabachan@...wrote:

BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs. 



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format. 

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

 So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com,<davidjost@...>wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



BWAOM is already available in the Kindle store. Likewise several Dynamite Payson books featuring smaller Bolger designs. 



---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format. 

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

 So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <davidjost@...> wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, richard laux <rkldude@...> wrote:
>
>  I`ll also second this. I won`t pay the outrageous prices some booksellers are asking for his books and as a consequence I do not get the full benefit of his knowledge.
>  I will also make another suggestion....Gather up all those articles that were published in the various magazines and publish them all in a book. I would pay dearly for that.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wayne Gilham <wgilham@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>
>  
> I strongly "second" this approach -- just coming back from a tour of French art-galleries, it's really a shame that the original artist gets paid not much from original purchaser, then subsequent sales of the same piece go at more and more "appreciated" prices based on "fame" of the artist -- too bad that artist cannot benefit in such appreciation in some way.   In the case of a book, first editions still are "worth more" to a collector, but at least a second edition gets the info out to a larger (PAYING!!) audience.
>  
> Wayne Gilham
>  
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierce Nichols
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:34 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>  
>  
> Suzanne,
> Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.
> -p
>  
>
> ________________________________
>
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>

germkay, the whole idea is to be able to buy legit e-copies of Phil`s books. I want to be shure that I will get my purchase, and that I will get it fast. With Russian Customs and PostService, going online and buying a physical object  that has to be shipped will lead to several months of frustration(or a lost package). 
Other than several Russian books on boatbuilding, I`ve got The Sharpie book, Chapelle`s Boatbuilding and American Small Sailing Craft - in printed form, and Gary Dierking`s Building Outrigger Sailing Canoes - KINDLE edition. Getting the first three was a nightmare. It`s the suspence.
I would like to read Boats With An Open Mind, 103 Rigs, ...Adventures In Boat Design and other books by Phil Bolger, but the thought of having to wait about half a year, and still have the chance of it getting lost (RussianPost does not refund anything. They just say that they "Have no information about your international package") is not an appealing one.




---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <gregmkay@...> wrote:

Check outhttp://www.scribd.com/There are several books there on boat building in .off, some of which are free.
Check outhttp://www.scribd.com/There are several books there on boat building in .off, some of which are free.

Please, if there is a chance, make Phil`s books avaliable in e-book format. 

I have lost several non-boat related books(including a 200 usd "Historical Lute Construction", which I was going to donate to my Living History group) as well as other purchases to my country`s dreaded Customs and PostService. Everything that came through took from 2 to 5 months(American Small Sailing Craft was the slowest)... Being able to buy a book and instantly download it to my KINDLE is a godsend.

 So I`ll be sitting here with my credit card ready :)



---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <davidjost@...> wrote:

I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, richard laux <rkldude@...> wrote:
>
>  I`ll also second this. I won`t pay the outrageous prices some booksellers are asking for his books and as a consequence I do not get the full benefit of his knowledge.
>  I will also make another suggestion....Gather up all those articles that were published in the various magazines and publish them all in a book. I would pay dearly for that.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wayne Gilham <wgilham@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>
>  
> I strongly "second" this approach -- just coming back from a tour of French art-galleries, it's really a shame that the original artist gets paid not much from original purchaser, then subsequent sales of the same piece go at more and more "appreciated" prices based on "fame" of the artist -- too bad that artist cannot benefit in such appreciation in some way.   In the case of a book, first editions still are "worth more" to a collector, but at least a second edition gets the info out to a larger (PAYING!!) audience.
>  
> Wayne Gilham
>  
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierce Nichols
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:34 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>  
>  
> Suzanne,
> Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.
> -p
>  
>
> ________________________________
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG -http://www.avg.com/
> Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG -http://www.avg.com/
> Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6389 - Release Date: 06/06/13
>
I too would love to purchase these as electronic books. I currently read Wooden Boat online in addition to subscriptions, and like to read these on an IPad. It is just nice to have all your books and magazines in one handy place.

David Jost



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, richard laux <rkldude@...> wrote:
>
>  I`ll also second this. I won`t pay the outrageous prices some booksellers are asking for his books and as a consequence I do not get the full benefit of his knowledge.
>  I will also make another suggestion....Gather up all those articles that were published in the various magazines and publish them all in a book. I would pay dearly for that.
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Wayne Gilham <wgilham@...>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:37 PM
> Subject: RE: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>
> Â
> I strongly "second" this approach -- just coming back from a tour of French art-galleries, it's really a shame that the original artist gets paid not much from original purchaser, then subsequent sales of the same piece go at more and more "appreciated" prices based on "fame" of the artist -- too bad that artist cannot benefit in such appreciation in some way.   In the case of a book, first editions still are "worth more" to a collector, but at least a second edition gets the info out to a larger (PAYING!!) audience.
> Â
> Wayne Gilham
> Â
> From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierce Nichols
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:34 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
> Â
> Â
> Suzanne,
> Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.
> -p
> Â
>
> ________________________________
>
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG -http://www.avg.com/
> Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6379 - Release Date: 06/03/13
> No virus found in this message.
> Checked by AVG -http://www.avg.com/
> Version: 2013.0.3343 / Virus Database: 3184/6389 - Release Date: 06/06/13
>
Odds are that it was a virus at some point.  Maybe some AV stripped it of it's maliciousness at some point and left behind the shell.

Jed



From:djdecker2002 <djdecker2002@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Wednesday, June 12, 2013 8:46 AM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

 


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@...> wrote:
>
> found this with a quick search.

<URL deleted>

>
> Unfortunately, the firewall at my fine institute of learning is set NOT to download this file for the protection of my computer and the author!!! Do so at your own risk!
>

I have no such firewall, plus I have a Virtual Machine I use as a sandbox for this stuff, so I downloaded the file. This file wasn't dangerous, but it wasn't piracy either.

This was a 1.5 megabyte PDF consisting of 1,911 blank pages. It was not, as claimed, an electronic copy of BWOAM, it was nothing.

I'm hoping the relative paucity of Internet piracy of this material doesn't indicate a lack of demand.

-Derek



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@...> wrote:
>
> found this with a quick search.

<URL deleted>

>
> Unfortunately, the firewall at my fine institute of learning is set NOT to download this file for the protection of my computer and the author!!! Do so at your own risk!
>

I have no such firewall, plus I have a Virtual Machine I use as a sandbox for this stuff, so I downloaded the file. This file wasn't dangerous, but it wasn't piracy either.

This was a 1.5 megabyte PDF consisting of 1,911 blank pages. It was not, as claimed, an electronic copy of BWOAM, it was nothing.

I'm hoping the relative paucity of Internet piracy of this material doesn't indicate a lack of demand.

-Derek
Here's what they say (partial copy):

"....If you are the copyright owner of content which appears on 2shared website and you did not authorize the use of the content you must notify 2shared in writing in order for us to identify the allegedly infringing content and take action.

Your written notice must include the following:

A physical or electronic signature of the copyright owner or authorized person acting on behalf of the owner which expressly claims an executive right that is allegedly being infringed.
Specific identification of the copyrighted work which you are alleging to have been infringed. If you are alleging infringement of multiple copyrighted works with a single notification you must submit a representative list which specifically identifies each of the works that you allege are being infringed.
Specific identification of the location and description of material that is claimed to be infringing or to be subject of infringing activity with enough detailed information to permit 2shared to locate the material. You should include the specific URL or URLs of the webpages where the allegedly infringing material is located.
Information reasonably sufficient to allow 2shared to contact the complaining party which may include a name, address, telephone number and electronic mail address at which the complaining party may be contacted.
A statement that the complaining party has a good faith belief that use of the material in the manner complained of is not authorized by copyright owner, its agent or the law.
A statement that the information in the notification is accurate, and under penalty of perjury that the complaining party is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of an exclusive right that is allegedly infringed.


If you are a copyright holder, please submit your notice via electronic mail to:abuse@....
or using our copyright infringement claim form at: our copyright infringement claim form...."
etc. etc.

Jerry W
Built "Nymph" in mid 1990's.
Warrenton, VA


--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "dnjost" <davidjost@...> wrote:
>
> found this with a quick search.http://www.2shared.com/document/i9gK7xT-/Boats_with_an_Open_Mind_-_Seve.html
>
> Unfortunately, the firewall at my fine institute of learning is set NOT to download this file for the protection of my computer and the author!!! Do so at your own risk!
>
> Moderator...please delete this link after Suzanne and the estate of Phil Bolger has had the opportunity to chase and abolish these pirates.
>
> D. Jost
>
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@> wrote:
> >
> > `125 Rigs’ should be the first new book to mature at long last...
> > I’ll keep you posted.
> >
> > Susanne
> >
> > From: prairiedog2332
> > Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:26 PM
> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
> >
> >
> > I agree!
> >
> >
> > I am a co-moderator over at the Michalak group, Jim a guy who followed up on Mr. Bolger's writings on how to rig a small boat with a simple sail plan easily and cheaply without expensive boat jewelry, high tension wire stays and fittings etc. We keep getting inquiries from newbies about various sail plans and how to set them up and everything they ask is in "100 Small Boat Rigs" - yet it is not available to them. So we go over and over answering the same questions of course not nearly as well as in his book. Jim offers the basics in his Build book, but you know us folks - we like to try to "improve" things or change to another plan we "like better".
> >
> > So my response is over and over; "According to Phil Bolger in his book 100 Small Boat Rigs" ... In fact a response on anything usually includes to his name.
> >
> > Nels
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MylesJ. Swift" wrote:
> > >
> > > I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating
> > > book by anyone.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > MylesJ
> > >
> >
>
found this with a quick search.http://www.2shared.com/document/i9gK7xT-/Boats_with_an_Open_Mind_-_Seve.html

Unfortunately, the firewall at my fine institute of learning is set NOT to download this file for the protection of my computer and the author!!! Do so at your own risk!

Moderator...please delete this link after Suzanne and the estate of Phil Bolger has had the opportunity to chase and abolish these pirates.

D. Jost



--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <philbolger@...> wrote:
>
> `125 Rigs’ should be the first new book to mature at long last...
> I’ll keep you posted.
>
> Susanne
>
> From: prairiedog2332
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:26 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>
>
> I agree!
>
>
> I am a co-moderator over at the Michalak group, Jim a guy who followed up on Mr. Bolger's writings on how to rig a small boat with a simple sail plan easily and cheaply without expensive boat jewelry, high tension wire stays and fittings etc. We keep getting inquiries from newbies about various sail plans and how to set them up and everything they ask is in "100 Small Boat Rigs" - yet it is not available to them. So we go over and over answering the same questions of course not nearly as well as in his book. Jim offers the basics in his Build book, but you know us folks - we like to try to "improve" things or change to another plan we "like better".
>
> So my response is over and over; "According to Phil Bolger in his book 100 Small Boat Rigs" ... In fact a response on anything usually includes to his name.
>
> Nels
>
>
> --- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MylesJ. Swift" wrote:
> >
> > I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating
> > book by anyone.
> >
> >
> >
> > MylesJ
> >
>
I like the idea about more geometries, as the Straight Talk about Sailing Rigs books are my favorite, and the tiny improvement I wish for would be some fore-aft views of the hulls+rigs, and the 2D 'above waterline side view' nature of the illustrations in those two books make it hard to comprehend the full nature of the geometry involved in those rigging/hull systems.




> I should elaborate, in case this had not been mentioned before
> Thisbook is a much added-to edition of the original 100 (later 103) with more geometries but also further context.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:05 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

`125 Rigs’ should be the first new book to mature at long last...
I’ll keep you posted.

Susanne
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

I agree!

I am a co-moderator over at the Michalak group, Jim a guy who followed up on Mr. Bolger's  writings on how to rig a small boat with a simple sail plan easily and cheaply without expensive boat jewelry, high  tension wire stays and fittings etc. We keep getting inquiries from newbies about various sail plans and how to set them up  and everything they ask is in "100 Small Boat Rigs" - yet it is not available to them. So we go over and over answering the same questions  of course not nearly as well as in his book. Jim offers the basics in his Build book, but you know us folks - we like to try to "improve" things or change to another plan we "like better".
So my response is over and over;  "According to Phil Bolger in his book 100 Small Boat Rigs" ... In fact a response on anything usually includes  to his name.
Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "MylesJ. Swift" wrote:
>
> I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating
> book by anyone.
>
>
>
> MylesJ
>


I should elaborate, in case this had not been mentioned before.
This book is a much added-to edition of the original 100 (later 103) with more geometries but also further context.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 3:05 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

`125 Rigs’ should be the first new book to mature at long last...
I’ll keep you posted.

Susanne
 
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

I agree!

 
I am a co-moderator over at the Michalak group, Jim a guy who followed up on Mr. Bolger's  writings on how to rig a small boat with a simple sail plan easily and cheaply without expensive boat jewelry, high  tension wire stays and fittings etc. We keep getting inquiries from newbies about various sail plans and how to set them up  and everything they ask is in "100 Small Boat Rigs" - yet it is not available to them. So we go over and over answering the same questions  of course not nearly as well as in his book. Jim offers the basics in his Build book, but you know us folks - we like to try to "improve" things or change to another plan we "like better".
 
So my response is over and over;  "According to Phil Bolger in his book 100 Small Boat Rigs" ... In fact a response on anything usually includes  to his name.
 
Nels
 

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "MylesJ. Swift" wrote:
>
> I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating
> book by anyone.
>
>
>
> MylesJ
>

`125 Rigs’ should be the first new book to mature at long last...
I’ll keep you posted.

Susanne
 
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

I agree!

 
I am a co-moderator over at the Michalak group, Jim a guy who followed up on Mr. Bolger's  writings on how to rig a small boat with a simple sail plan easily and cheaply without expensive boat jewelry, high  tension wire stays and fittings etc. We keep getting inquiries from newbies about various sail plans and how to set them up  and everything they ask is in "100 Small Boat Rigs" - yet it is not available to them. So we go over and over answering the same questions  of course not nearly as well as in his book. Jim offers the basics in his Build book, but you know us folks - we like to try to "improve" things or change to another plan we "like better".
 
So my response is over and over;  "According to Phil Bolger in his book 100 Small Boat Rigs" ... In fact a response on anything usually includes  to his name.
 
Nels
 

--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "MylesJ. Swift" wrote:
>
> I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating
> book by anyone.
>
>
>
> MylesJ
>

 I`ll also second this. I won`t pay the outrageous prices some booksellers are asking for his books and as a consequence I do not get the full benefit of his knowledge.
 I will also make another suggestion....Gather up all those articles that were published in the various magazines and publish them all in a book. I would pay dearly for that.

From:Wayne Gilham <wgilham@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Thursday, June 6, 2013 1:37 PM
Subject:RE: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
I strongly "second" this approach -- just coming back from a tour of French art-galleries, it's really a shame that the original artist gets paid not much from original purchaser, then subsequent sales of the same piece go at more and more "appreciated" prices based on "fame" of the artist -- too bad that artist cannot benefit in such appreciation in some way.   In the case of a book, first editions still are "worth more" to a collector, but at least a second edition gets the info out to a larger (PAYING!!) audience.
 
Wayne Gilham
 
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfPierce Nichols
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:34 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 
Suzanne,
Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.
-p
 
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I strongly "second" this approach -- just coming back from a tour of French art-galleries, it's really a shame that the original artist gets paid not much from original purchaser, then subsequent sales of the same piece go at more and more "appreciated" prices based on "fame" of the artist -- too bad that artist cannot benefit in such appreciation in some way.   In the case of a book, first editions still are "worth more" to a collector, but at least a second edition gets the info out to a larger (PAYING!!) audience.

 

Wayne Gilham

 

From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfPierce Nichols
Sent:Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:34 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

 

 

Suzanne,

Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.

-p

 

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I agree!

I am a co-moderator over at the Michalak group, Jim a guy who followed up on Mr. Bolger's  writings on how to rig a small boat with a simple sail plan easily and cheaply without expensive boat jewelry, high  tension wire stays and fittings etc. We keep getting inquiries from newbies about various sail plans and how to set them up  and everything they ask is in "100 Small Boat Rigs" - yet it is not available to them. So we go over and over answering the same questions  of course not nearly as well as in his book. Jim offers the basics in his Build book, but you know us folks - we like to try to "improve" things or change to another plan we "like better".

So my response is over and over;  "According to Phil Bolger in his book 100 Small Boat Rigs" ... In fact a response on anything usually includes  to his name. 

Nels

 
--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "MylesJ. Swift" wrote:
>
> I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating
> book by anyone.
>
>
>
> MylesJ
>
I would love to see this for 
Different Boats
100 Small Boat Rigs

Bill Howard
Nellysford VA


On Jun 6, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Pierce Nichols wrote:

 

Suzanne,

Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.

-p


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM,<philbolger@...>wrote:


A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger





Suzanne,

Is it possible to put some of Phil's out of print books (Different Boats, 103 Sailing Rigs, 30 Odd Boats, etc) back into print through Amazon's print-on-demand service? It would make legit copies available (transforming some current pirates into paying customers) and take the money that people are currently spending on outrageously-priced used copies and put it in your pocket.

-p


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM,<philbolger@...>wrote:


A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger



I think I learned more from 100 Small Boat Rigs than from any other boating book by anyone.

 

MylesJ

Forgot one! " 100 Small Boat Rigs" The following "103 Small Boat Rigs" have been unable to locate anywhere.  But the original is priceless as is in sail rig history and discussion in my view.

http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?kn=100+small+boat+rigs&sts=t&x=39&y=11


Nels



--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" wrote:
>
> I paid $50 each for my copies and both in excellent condition. Still want "Different Boats" but I guess I made an error when ordering and received a hard cover copy of "The Folding Schooner" instead. So just kept it. If anyone interested let me know and whatever you offer I will put towards "Different Boats". But obviously the better deal is to get the combined volume once shipping is included.
>
> Nels

It's perfectly kosher, legally and morally, to build a boat from plans in
an old MoToR BoatinG magazine. It'd be illegal and unethical to copy those
plans from the magazine and sell them. When Wm. and John Atkin drew those
plans for MoToR BoatinG they signed away the rights to them to Hearst
Publishing, and Hearst could go after anybody who tried to sell copies of
the plans -- including the Atkins! Around 1980 , after a long and
contentious struggle, John Atkin managed to buy back the rights to those
plans, so now Mrs. Atkin can go after anybody who tries to sell copies of
the plans from MB. The plans drawn for MB by other designers are still
owned by Hearst, I imagine, and they could go after you if you tried to
sell copies of them...

Many of the plans in Phil Bolger's books were obviously intended to be
built from the book's pages, as much as the MoToR BoatinG plans, and I
think he even wrote as much somewhere. But selling copies would be immoral
and criminal.

On Tue, 04 Jun 2013 06:23:50 -0700, Richard wrote:

> ...
> I have copies of the old "Motor
> Boating Plans" books which contained plans by Atkins. Mr. Atkins' widow
> currently sells plans for his boats, but the original plans that were
> published,
> expected the reader to build a boat.
> Would the group consider it legal and ethical to build a boat from these
> plans? Although I wouldn't, could a person sell copies of those plans
> that
> were published and sold by "Motor Boating" with the expectation that the
> plans would be used to build.
> ...

--
John (jkohnen@...)
I have never seen a situation so dismal that a policeman couldn't make it
worse. (Brendan Behan)
I paid $50 each for my copies and both in excellent condition. Still want "Different Boats" but I guess I made an error when ordering and received a hard cover copy of "The Folding Schooner" instead. So just kept it. If anyone interested let me know and whatever you offer I will put towards "Different Boats". But obviously the better deal is to get the combined volume once shipping is included.

Nels

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, "prairiedog2332" <arvent@...> wrote:
>
> "Bolger Boats combining Small Boats and The Folding Schooner" and "30
> Odd Boats" next.
> "Boats With A Open Mind " is available at Amazon.
>
"Bolger Boats combining Small Boats and The Folding Schooner"  and "30 Odd Boats" next. 

"Boats With A Open Mind " is available at Amazon. 


<http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=9350751247&searchurl=kn%3DBolger%2BBoats%2Bcombining%2Bsmall%2Bboat%2Band%2Bthe%2Bfolding%2Bschooner%26st>s%3Dt%26x%3D42%26y%3D11
-

-- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, Jed Lavoie wrote: > Hello,
>
> New to the group.  I have built one of Bolgers skiffs through Payson and just started laying the groundwork for the Bobcat I will be building this winter.  My question for Nels is, do you have a recommendation for where to start with a book of his?  I am very intrigued by him.
>
> Jed Lavoie
> Stow, MA USA
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: prairiedog2332 arvent@...
> To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:52 PM
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
>
>
>
>  
> I have purchased most of Mr. Bolger's out of print books through Abebooks a very reputable re-seller of collectible books. I would rather purchase from Susanne but they are not available. I just love reading and re-reading and studying his work. Several complete plans are in them, but I sometimes get the impression he was hoping someone would build one just to see how they came out.
>
>
>
>
> Like any artist who paints or writes music  they are almost driven to do that whether somebody buys it or not. One example is a boat Phil designed that he was not that happy with but the person who commissioned it insisted it be done that way.  So Phil took considerable time presenting the plans for how he felt it should have been designed. And he was his own greatest critic.
>
>
> In my view he was the greatest and most artistic drafter and writer of boat design of his day. And I should mention humorist and satirist as well!
>
>
> Nels
>
>
>
>
> --- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "apraphett777" wrote:
> >
> > I have never sold copies of any plans that would be wrong it is not your property to sell I have built more then one copy of a boat from a book and used it and found what I did not like I sold the first one and improved the second one I have been of the opinion for quiet some time now if a person cannot build any of the skiffs from just the book they should not be building LOL the plans and keys are really that complete easy peasy and a few of the larger ones are just as easy as the skiff :)
> >
>
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM, prairiedog2332<arvent@...>wrote:

I just love reading and re-reading and studying his work.


Me too.  The vast majority of Phil Bolger's work was not published in his books but rather are found spread over his magazine articles, 430+ articles in Messing About in Boats, and perhaps another hundred articles in other magazine.

And also, there are reams of his writings in personal letters, hopefully Susanne Altenberger has copies of these (often handwritten) letters in her archive and is taking good care of them.  I would like to see them put into some library for research purposes.

Regarding copyright, all that printed material is clearly protected under US Copyright doctrine.  The hull vessel shapes are treated differently in the law, see the Vessel Hull Design Protection Act.

Hello,

New to the group.  I have built one of Bolgers skiffs through Payson and just started laying the groundwork for the Bobcat I will be building this winter.  My question for Nels is, do you have a recommendation for where to start with a book of his?  I am very intrigued by him.

Jed Lavoie
Stow, MA USA


From:prairiedog2332 <arvent@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Wednesday, June 5, 2013 3:52 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind

 
I have purchased most of Mr. Bolger's out of print books through Abebooks a very reputable re-seller of collectible books. I would rather purchase from Susanne but they are not available. I just love reading and re-reading and studying his work. Several complete plans are in them, but I sometimes get the impression he was hoping someone would build one just to see how they came out.


Like any artist who paints or writes music  they are almost driven to do that whether somebody buys it or not. One example is a boat Phil designed that he was not that happy with but the person who commissioned it insisted it be done that way.  So Phil took considerable time presenting the plans for how he felt it should have been designed. And he was his own greatest critic.


In my view he was the greatest and most artistic drafter and writer of boat design of his day. And I should mention humorist and satirist as well!


Nels



--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "apraphett777" wrote:
>
> I have never sold copies of any plans that would be wrong it is not your property to sell I have built more then one copy of a boat from a book and used it and found what I did not like I sold the first one and improved the second one I have been of the opinion for quiet some time now if a person cannot build any of the skiffs from just the book they should not be building LOL the plans and keys are really that complete easy peasy and a few of the larger ones are just as easy as the skiff :)
>



I have purchased most of Mr. Bolger's out of print books through Abebooks a very reputable re-seller of collectible books. I would rather purchase from Susanne but they are not available. I just love reading and re-reading and studying his work. Several complete plans are in them, but I sometimes get the impression he was hoping someone would build one just to see how they came out.


Like any artist who paints or writes music  they are almost driven to do that whether somebody buys it or not. One example is a boat Phil designed that he was not that happy with but the person who commissioned it insisted it be done that way.  So Phil took considerable time presenting the plans for how he felt it should have been designed. And he was his own greatest critic.


In my view he was the greatest and most artistic drafter and writer of boat design of his day. And I should mention humorist and satirist as well!


Nels



--- In bolger@yahoogroups.com, "apraphett777" wrote:
>
> I have never sold copies of any plans that would be wrong it is not your property to sell I have built more then one copy of a boat from a book and used it and found what I did not like I sold the first one and improved the second one I have been of the opinion for quiet some time now if a person cannot build any of the skiffs from just the book they should not be building LOL the plans and keys are really that complete easy peasy and a few of the larger ones are just as easy as the skiff :)
>

I have never sold copies of any plans that would be wrong it is not your property to sell I have built more then one copy of a boat from a book and used it and found what I did not like I sold the first one and improved the second one I have been of the opinion for quiet some time now if a person cannot build any of the skiffs from just the book they should not be building LOL the plans and keys are really that complete easy peasy and a few of the larger ones are just as easy as the skiff :)

--- Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, hbguck@... wrote:
>
> This brings up an interesting question.
>
> When you purchase a book with plans for a boat and it is possible to build
> a boat from those plans, is it legal and ethical to build that boat? Or
> is it legal but "tacky" to bypass the author also sells plans?
>
> Although this was brought about by the Bolger group and his fans, does it
> apply universally to all plans? e.g. I have copies of the old "Motor
> Boating Plans" books which contained plans by Atkins. Mr. Atkins' widow
> currently sells plans for his boats, but the original plans that were published,
> expected the reader to build a boat.
>
> Would the group consider it legal and ethical to build a boat from these
> plans? Although I wouldn't, could a person sell copies of those plans that
> were published and sold by "Motor Boating" with the expectation that the
> plans would be used to build.
>
> Richard in Hampton Bays.
>
at $45 to $100 per set of plans, I can't see her interest in the eaches. I understand her wanted to protect her copyrights though in general. If you don't protect your compyrights, then you loose them...that is the law.

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Michael Ash<redlegduke@...>wrote:

HI all,

I am not presuming to speak for Susanne.  But, the way I see it is that she could well be interested in the "eaches" of pirated copies as she (presumably as I see it) in a low volume business.  Contrast this with the movie or music industry selling millions of copies with profits going to multi-millionaires.  Everybody deserves to get paid and it is absolutely reasonable to wish to monetize a life's work.  Forgive me if I am off-base.

Michael Ash



HI all,

I am not presuming to speak for Susanne.  But, the way I see it is that she could well be interested in the "eaches" of pirated copies as she (presumably as I see it) in a low volume business.  Contrast this with the movie or music industry selling millions of copies with profits going to multi-millionaires.  Everybody deserves to get paid and it is absolutely reasonable to wish to monetize a life's work.  Forgive me if I am off-base.  

Michael Ash


It depends on the book. _Generally Speaking_, if they are published in a book that you bought, then you have free license to use THAT set of plans as many times as you want...but you need to read the book to find out if the author is giving you license to do so. George Buehler gave away a few sets of plans in his Backyard Boat Building and so did Phil and Dennis with their books, but it's recommended you get the full scale plans for better accuracy.

George also had some plan add-ons that you can't get in the books, like alternative design considerations etc....

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 9:23 AM,<hbguck@...>wrote:

This brings up an interesting question.
When you purchase a book with plans for a boat and it is possible to build a boat from those plans, is it legal and ethical to build that boat?  Or is it legal but "tacky" to bypass the author also sells plans?
Although this was brought about by the Bolger group and his fans, does it apply universally to all plans?  e.g. I have copies of the old "Motor Boating Plans" books which contained plans by Atkins.  Mr. Atkins' widow currently sells plans for his boats, but the original plans that were published, expected the reader to build a boat.
Would the group consider it legal and ethical to build a boat from these plans?  Although I wouldn't, could a person sell copies of those plans that were published and sold by "Motor Boating" with the expectation that the plans would be used to build.
Richard in Hampton Bays.


This brings up an interesting question. 
 
When you purchase a book with plans for a boat and it is possible to build a boat from those plans, is it legal and ethical to build that boat?  Or is it legal but "tacky" to bypass the author also sells plans? 
 
Although this was brought about by the Bolger group and his fans, does it apply universally to all plans?  e.g. I have copies of the old "Motor Boating Plans" books which contained plans by Atkins.  Mr. Atkins' widow currently sells plans for his boats, but the original plans that were published, expected the reader to build a boat. 
 
Would the group consider it legal and ethical to build a boat from these plans?  Although I wouldn't, could a person sell copies of those plans that were published and sold by "Motor Boating" with the expectation that the plans would be used to build.
 
Richard in Hampton Bays.
The book in question is NOT online.  There are several others that are though.  Robb




On 6/3/2013 4:40 PM, Suhitha Edirisinghe wrote:
There are a few of the Instant Boats books online. I searched boat building, and there is at least one torrent witha a collection of boat building books, some of which contain Bolger boats (including the Instant Boats books).

Thanks,
Suhitha Edirisinghe



On 2013-06-03, at 4:15 PM, BruceHallman wrote:

Of course, proving it never has happened is impossible.


That said, I have never heard of a pirated BWAOM (or any other Bolger book).

And, a search for the most likely protocol for internet transfer of a pirated book (bittorrent) finds no evidence of one being currently 'shared' on the publicly visible Internet.

To the extent of my patience looking, I only paged down through the first dozen or so pages of "Bolger" torrents.  But none are for Phil Bolger). Plenty of (presumably pirate) torrents for other Bolgers in world, Sarah Bolger, Emma Bolger,DianeBolger,Dermot Bolger,JanineBolger,Ray Bolger...but no Phil Bolger that I could see.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Bolger++type:.torrent

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM,<philbolger@...>wrote:

A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger

__.



There are a few of the Instant Boats books online. I searched boat building, and there is at least one torrent witha a collection of boat building books, some of which contain Bolger boats (including the Instant Boats books). 

Thanks,
Suhitha Edirisinghe


 

On 2013-06-03, at 4:15 PM, BruceHallman wrote:

 

Of course, proving it never has happened is impossible.


That said, I have never heard of a pirated BWAOM (or any other Bolger book).

And, a search for the most likely protocol for internet transfer of a pirated book (bittorrent) finds no evidence of one being currently 'shared' on the publicly visible Internet.   

To the extent of my patience looking, I only paged down through the first dozen or so pages of "Bolger" torrents.  But none are for Phil Bolger). Plenty of (presumably pirate) torrents for other Bolgers in world, Sarah Bolger, Emma Bolger, Diane Bolger, Dermot Bolger,  Janine Bolger, Ray Bolger...but no Phil Bolger that I could see.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Bolger++type:.torrent

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM,<philbolger@...>wrote:
 

A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger

__.


Of course, proving it never has happened is impossible.

That said, I have never heard of a pirated BWAOM (or any other Bolger book).

And, a search for the most likely protocol for internet transfer of a pirated book (bittorrent) finds no evidence of one being currently 'shared' on the publicly visible Internet.

To the extent of my patience looking, I only paged down through the first dozen or so pages of "Bolger" torrents.  But none are for Phil Bolger). Plenty of (presumably pirate) torrents for other Bolgers in world, Sarah Bolger, Emma Bolger,DianeBolger,Dermot Bolger,JanineBolger,Ray Bolger...but no Phil Bolger that I could see.

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&q=Bolger++type:.torrent

On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 11:01 AM,<philbolger@...>wrote:

A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger

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Susanne,
Absolutely understood. Just don't think it's doing any harm to your bottom line is all and you shouldn't be overly concerned. Information security and assurance is a strong part of my background...that's the CISSP lettering :)

Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2013, at 2:45 PM, <philbolger@...> wrote:

 

Well, folks had brought this up explicitly, including with respective URLs.
So an update of the current situation would seem useful to get a sense as to the extent of the situation without upfront assumptions.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Monday, June 03, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

Susanne,
I don't know the specific reference, but I can assure you that there must be pirated copies of books and plans all over the internet for those who wish to surf those types of places. The problem with looking for them is you put yourself at risk as being labelled a pirate yourself. Even if there are pirated copies of books and plans, I also from experience can share with you that the material in question is not in demand with pirates. Modern internet pirates are not interested in boats and boat plans, they are more interested in music and movies.

I do not think your wallet is being hurt at all by any pirate activity with your or phils materials...I don't think there is enough black market demand for boat blueprints and boat building books in general. I think black market books are more likely to be those $500 academic tomes used in university programs.

That's just my opinion and I think it's worth putting your mind at rest.

 
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM,<philbolger@...>wrote:
 
A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger
 

Well, folks had brought this up explicitly, including with respective URLs.
So an update of the current situation would seem useful to get a sense as to the extent of the situation without upfront assumptions.

Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
 
Sent:Monday, June 03, 2013 2:33 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Scanning for pirated copies of Boats With An Open Mind
 
 

Susanne,
I don't know the specific reference, but I can assure you that there must be pirated copies of books and plans all over the internet for those who wish to surf those types of places. The problem with looking for them is you put yourself at risk as being labelled a pirate yourself. Even if there are pirated copies of books and plans, I also from experience can share with you that the material in question is not in demand with pirates. Modern internet pirates are not interested in boats and boat plans, they are more interested in music and movies.

I do not think your wallet is being hurt at all by any pirate activity with your or phils materials...I don't think there is enough black market demand for boat blueprints and boat building books in general. I think black market books are more likely to be those $500 academic tomes used in university programs.

That's just my opinion and I think it's worth putting your mind at rest.

 
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM,<philbolger@...>wrote:
 
A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger
 

Susanne,
I don't know the specific reference, but I can assure you that there must be pirated copies of books and plans all over the internet for those who wish to surf those types of places. The problem with looking for them is you put yourself at risk as being labelled a pirate yourself. Even if there are pirated copies of books and plans, I also from experience can share with you that the material in question is not in demand with pirates. Modern internet pirates are not interested in boats and boat plans, they are more interested in music and movies.

I do not think your wallet is being hurt at all by any pirate activity with your or phils materials...I don't think there is enough black market demand for boat blueprints and boat building books in general. I think black market books are more likely to be those $500 academic tomes used in university programs.

That's just my opinion and I think it's worth putting your mind at rest.


Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
Old Lyme, CT, USA
Scot McPherson | Linkedin <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>



On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 2:01 PM,<philbolger@...>wrote:

A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger


A while back the issue came up.  Not sure under what heading though.
Inquiries produced an uncertain picture as to the actual presence of pirated (.pdf-style) books available from various file-share sites.
Any news since whether there are such (free) downloads that successfully downloadable ?
I understand that only KINDLE is legit.

Susanne Altenburger