RE: Re: [bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
I would think that the anti-slamming shoe would be retrofittable if you could brace the boat up somewhere such that the entire area covered by the shoe were free of supports. The I60 has something similar, and from what I can make out from the plans, it's just a bunch of plywood ovals laminated up and then sanded. If you attached one at a time under the forefoot, and sanded at the end of the process, I'd think you'd be able to retrofit one to an existing boat. But I've never tried it.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:We really didn't solve these problems. We never found them severe enough to put much work or money into solving them. With Walkure, you have a wide range of spots to anchor, since you can anchor in less than 2 feet of water. We just picked spots with no chop and no wind and tide opposed. We did find one spot where the pounding got quite severe - Key West mooring field. It's wide open to north winds and we had 4 straight days of 4 foot chop in the mooring field. Yuck!
Bolger solved the pounding problem with an upgraded version of the AS-29 that had a rounded section added under the bow. This allowed for more comfortable anchoring. It would likely have to be done during construction and not as a retrofit. It's not on Walkure.
We never found the "anchor dance" - yawing - to be at all annoying. If the water was deep enough, we put a board down, which slowed the motion a lot. Otherwise, we just got used to it. It's not nearly as pronounced on the AS-29 as it is on a MacGreggor or a Hunter. We've seen 40 foot Hunters dancing to and fro like mad while we sat relatively still.
You can set the mizzen as a riding sail, and it helps, but mostly we didn't bother.On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:44 AM, "a.sobriquet@..." <a.sobriquet@...> wrote:Mike,It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?A. Sobriquet
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare because of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182Thanks,Connie
my triton sailed a lot at anchor.
use a piece of line attached with a rolling hitch about 10 feet in front of the bow
on the anchor line, bring it back to a cockpit winch and crank in until it stops sailing. This happens at 20 degrees usually but varies according to conditions.
I lived a year at anchor with out going to a dock once.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Some boats have good behavior when anchored and some don't.
Not sure bad anchor behavior can be attributed to any specific design trait.
My old 27' plastic sailboat would charge around like a chained pit bull when anchored.
In winds over about 12kts, it would sail forward at an angle until the anchor snubbed it with a jerk.
The jerk would tack the boat and it would then charge off in the other direction.
It weighed 8000# and had 5' draft and plenty of submersed volume.
I never anchored any where there was any significant current.
I would wake up any time I didn't feel the thump every minute or so.
Tried tying the RIB off the stern as a motion damper/drogue, just bashed the dinghy around a lot.
An anchor riding sail was reported to be the cure for this boat.
I cut down an old storm jib to hank on the backstay and sheet to a winch but I never tried it,
justin
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <jhkohnen@...> wrote:I poked around and found what John W had to say about using a bucket to
reduce sailing around when anchored. The meat picked off the bones of
message #57452 over on the Duckworks group:
"... get a bucket with a strong handle, and put it on the anchor rode
about 2 m out from the bow so its acting as a water brake, it should
greatly reduce the sheering around."
...
"I put a light line and a heavy shackle around the buckets handle and tie
it to the anchor rode with a rolling hitch.
"Yes it does need to be heavy enough to sink down to where the open mouth
is able to provide the braking effect, thats what the shackle is there for.
"Another thing that can help is if you can trim the boat bow down at
anchor by moving weight forward. Boats with a mast well forward are a bit
prone to this behavior as the static windage is not far enough aft to keep
it straight."
John WelsfordOn Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:33:23 -0700, I wrote:
> The bucket is full of water, because it's submerged, and it's slung from
> the rode near the bow of the boat. I suppose it could be slung right off
> the bow on a separate line. I think I picked up that tip from John
> Welsford on one of the groups he frequents. I haven't tried it out
> myself...
>
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:46:30 -0700, Mark A wrote:
>
>> I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with
>> a
>> BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
>>
>> It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode
>> would
>> help.
>> ...
>
--
John (jkohnen@...)
He got hold of the red meat of the language and turned it into hamburgers.
(Richard Gordon on Ernest Hemingway)
Some boats have good behavior when anchored and some don't.
Not sure bad anchor behavior can be attributed to any specific design trait.
My old 27' plastic sailboat would charge around like a chained pit bull when anchored.
In winds over about 12kts, it would sail forward at an angle until the anchor snubbed it with a jerk.
The jerk would tack the boat and it would then charge off in the other direction.
It weighed 8000# and had 5' draft and plenty of submersed volume.
I never anchored any where there was any significant current.
I would wake up any time I didn't feel the thump every minute or so.
Tried tying the RIB off the stern as a motion damper/drogue, just bashed the dinghy around a lot.
An anchor riding sail was reported to be the cure for this boat.
I cut down an old storm jib to hank on the backstay and sheet to a winch but I never tried it,
justin
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <jhkohnen@...> wrote:I poked around and found what John W had to say about using a bucket to
reduce sailing around when anchored. The meat picked off the bones of
message #57452 over on the Duckworks group:
"... get a bucket with a strong handle, and put it on the anchor rode
about 2 m out from the bow so its acting as a water brake, it should
greatly reduce the sheering around."
...
"I put a light line and a heavy shackle around the buckets handle and tie
it to the anchor rode with a rolling hitch.
"Yes it does need to be heavy enough to sink down to where the open mouth
is able to provide the braking effect, thats what the shackle is there for.
"Another thing that can help is if you can trim the boat bow down at
anchor by moving weight forward. Boats with a mast well forward are a bit
prone to this behavior as the static windage is not far enough aft to keep
it straight."
John WelsfordOn Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:33:23 -0700, I wrote:
> The bucket is full of water, because it's submerged, and it's slung from
> the rode near the bow of the boat. I suppose it could be slung right off
> the bow on a separate line. I think I picked up that tip from John
> Welsford on one of the groups he frequents. I haven't tried it out
> myself...
>
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:46:30 -0700, Mark A wrote:
>
>> I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with
>> a
>> BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
>>
>> It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode
>> would
>> help.
>> ...
>
--
John (jkohnen@...)
He got hold of the red meat of the language and turned it into hamburgers.
(Richard Gordon on Ernest Hemingway)
reduce sailing around when anchored. The meat picked off the bones of
message #57452 over on the Duckworks group:
"... get a bucket with a strong handle, and put it on the anchor rode
about 2 m out from the bow so its acting as a water brake, it should
greatly reduce the sheering around."
...
"I put a light line and a heavy shackle around the buckets handle and tie
it to the anchor rode with a rolling hitch.
"Yes it does need to be heavy enough to sink down to where the open mouth
is able to provide the braking effect, thats what the shackle is there for.
"Another thing that can help is if you can trim the boat bow down at
anchor by moving weight forward. Boats with a mast well forward are a bit
prone to this behavior as the static windage is not far enough aft to keep
it straight."
John Welsford
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 12:33:23 -0700, I wrote:
> The bucket is full of water, because it's submerged, and it's slung from
> the rode near the bow of the boat. I suppose it could be slung right off
> the bow on a separate line. I think I picked up that tip from John
> Welsford on one of the groups he frequents. I haven't tried it out
> myself...
>
> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:46:30 -0700, Mark A wrote:
>
>> I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with
>> a
>> BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
>>
>> It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode
>> would
>> help.
>> ...
>
--
John (jkohnen@...)
He got hold of the red meat of the language and turned it into hamburgers.
(Richard Gordon on Ernest Hemingway)
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2013, at 10:16 AM, "otter55806@..." <otter55806@...> wrote:
What happened to boaters using the Bahamian moor when in tidal waters? You have two anchors down, 180 degrees to each other, but both from the bow, not anchored bow and stern. This more or less keeps your boat in the same spot of it's own length, just swinging from the central pivot point at the bow. Of course, one can't always anchor the way they should because when you go into an anchorage and find everyone else anchored with only one bow anchor on, maybe, 100' of rode they are going to shift 200' when the tide or wind changes. If everyone is anchored the same you all shift. If you are dumb enough to anchor in the middle of a bunch of boats and anchor in a way you don't shift and they do, they will hit you. This is why I will go out of my way to anchor way away from everyone else. So that I can anchor correctly, which also means not anchoring downwind, down tide of any of these boats that will potentially drag.
As usual all boats are a tradeoff. Shallow draft is wonderful, but having little underwater structure they will skate around. Just another reason to anchor away from everyone else. Again, you have the responsibility to make sure your boat won't shift and hit a boat that does not skate around. In a perfect world all boats would anchor the same, with the same rode, and would all shift exactly the same. There is not perfect world. With my current boat having a very shallow draft not only do I stay well away from the crowd, but I try to anchor in shallow enough water that all the big boats will ground out before they can ever drag down on me. Just one more advantage of very shoal draft boats. LOL! Granted, this cannot always be done. In the skinny waters of the gulf, with very little tide, it can. With a nice clear, flat sand bottom I sometimes just let the boat take the ground when the tide goes out. A nice simple way of making sure you stay put. This is still often used in Europe, and why you see so many bilge keels. Doesn't work with the average fin keel and spade rudder, which is why I would never own one of those. May be great for the sailing part, not very good for the gunkhole cruiser anchor in shallow water part. This is where Phil's boats shine!
I think owning an AS 29 would be great, but If I spent the money buying her I wouldn't have the money to use and maintain her :(
Bob
Bob
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:That's interesting. I was going to unreservedly recommend bow and stern anchors before reading your post. Of course, an unballasted 14' 5" Michalak Philsboat birdwatcher and a 41' Morgan are chalk and cheese.
I anchor my Philsboat parallel to the shore, fore and aft on long scopes. I leave the offset centreboard down to stop roll and the tiller to lee, so that the rudder is constantly trying to turn the boat into the wind.
I've slept relatively comfortably this way on the windward side in winds gusting to 25 knots, because the open slot was parallel to the on-shore wind, so I was sheltered under the slot decks.
I've also anchored stern too, which stops yawing, but I found the wave slap on the stern to be very annoying and of course the wind comes straight through the slot.
So for my situation, anchoring side on rather than fore and aft, seems to be the best solution.
Cheers,
Rob.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Careful with that stern anchor. I once anchored a Morgan 41 OI. fore and aft in Longboat Pass in Fl.
We woke up at dawn with the boat sideways to a falling tide with both rodes tight as a drum . The tide runs about 4 knots and the boat was healed about 30 degrees. The lines were so tight I could not free them from the cleats. I tied a boat cushion to the aft line and cut it with a knife. It acted like a cut bow string. When the boat swung straight I used the dink to retrieve the aft anchor and rode.I then motored up on the bow anchor ,created slack and free the line from the cleat. the Anchor was so embedded in the sand bottom I had to motor over it to dislodge it.
Never made that mistake again. BTW almost all sinkings of small boats are cause by waves entering the boat from the stern being held down by a stern anchor. Careful . Rocky
From:"Mark Albanese" <marka97203@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:46:30 AM
Subject:[bolger] RE: AS-29 for sale
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
As usual all boats are a tradeoff. Shallow draft is wonderful, but having little underwater structure they will skate around. Just another reason to anchor away from everyone else. Again, you have the responsibility to make sure your boat won't shift and hit a boat that does not skate around. In a perfect world all boats would anchor the same, with the same rode, and would all shift exactly the same. There is not perfect world. With my current boat having a very shallow draft not only do I stay well away from the crowd, but I try to anchor in shallow enough water that all the big boats will ground out before they can ever drag down on me. Just one more advantage of very shoal draft boats. LOL! Granted, this cannot always be done. In the skinny waters of the gulf, with very little tide, it can. With a nice clear, flat sand bottom I sometimes just let the boat take the ground when the tide goes out. A nice simple way of making sure you stay put. This is still often used in Europe, and why you see so many bilge keels. Doesn't work with the average fin keel and spade rudder, which is why I would never own one of those. May be great for the sailing part, not very good for the gunkhole cruiser anchor in shallow water part. This is where Phil's boats shine!
I think owning an AS 29 would be great, but If I spent the money buying her I wouldn't have the money to use and maintain her :(
Bob
Bob
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:That's interesting. I was going to unreservedly recommend bow and stern anchors before reading your post. Of course, an unballasted 14' 5" Michalak Philsboat birdwatcher and a 41' Morgan are chalk and cheese.
I anchor my Philsboat parallel to the shore, fore and aft on long scopes. I leave the offset centreboard down to stop roll and the tiller to lee, so that the rudder is constantly trying to turn the boat into the wind.
I've slept relatively comfortably this way on the windward side in winds gusting to 25 knots, because the open slot was parallel to the on-shore wind, so I was sheltered under the slot decks.
I've also anchored stern too, which stops yawing, but I found the wave slap on the stern to be very annoying and of course the wind comes straight through the slot.
So for my situation, anchoring side on rather than fore and aft, seems to be the best solution.
Cheers,
Rob.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Careful with that stern anchor. I once anchored a Morgan 41 OI. fore and aft in Longboat Pass in Fl.
We woke up at dawn with the boat sideways to a falling tide with both rodes tight as a drum . The tide runs about 4 knots and the boat was healed about 30 degrees. The lines were so tight I could not free them from the cleats. I tied a boat cushion to the aft line and cut it with a knife. It acted like a cut bow string. When the boat swung straight I used the dink to retrieve the aft anchor and rode.I then motored up on the bow anchor ,created slack and free the line from the cleat. the Anchor was so embedded in the sand bottom I had to motor over it to dislodge it.
Never made that mistake again. BTW almost all sinkings of small boats are cause by waves entering the boat from the stern being held down by a stern anchor. Careful . Rocky
From:"Mark Albanese" <marka97203@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:46:30 AM
Subject:[bolger] RE: AS-29 for sale
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
after you set the stern anchor you walk the rode to the bow!
take most of the slack out. You need to know how to do this as there are many places that this needs to be done.
google bahamian moor
mike
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:That's interesting. I was going to unreservedly recommend bow and stern anchors before reading your post. Of course, an unballasted 14' 5" Michalak Philsboat birdwatcher and a 41' Morgan are chalk and cheese.
I anchor my Philsboat parallel to the shore, fore and aft on long scopes. I leave the offset centreboard down to stop roll and the tiller to lee, so that the rudder is constantly trying to turn the boat into the wind.
I've slept relatively comfortably this way on the windward side in winds gusting to 25 knots, because the open slot was parallel to the on-shore wind, so I was sheltered under the slot decks.
I've also anchored stern too, which stops yawing, but I found the wave slap on the stern to be very annoying and of course the wind comes straight through the slot.
So for my situation, anchoring side on rather than fore and aft, seems to be the best solution.
Cheers,
Rob.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Careful with that stern anchor. I once anchored a Morgan 41 OI. fore and aft in Longboat Pass in Fl.
We woke up at dawn with the boat sideways to a falling tide with both rodes tight as a drum . The tide runs about 4 knots and the boat was healed about 30 degrees. The lines were so tight I could not free them from the cleats. I tied a boat cushion to the aft line and cut it with a knife. It acted like a cut bow string. When the boat swung straight I used the dink to retrieve the aft anchor and rode.I then motored up on the bow anchor ,created slack and free the line from the cleat. the Anchor was so embedded in the sand bottom I had to motor over it to dislodge it.
Never made that mistake again. BTW almost all sinkings of small boats are cause by waves entering the boat from the stern being held down by a stern anchor. Careful . Rocky
From:"Mark Albanese" <marka97203@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:46:30 AM
Subject:[bolger] RE: AS-29 for sale
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:35 AM, "Connor, Patrick" <pconnor@...> wrote:
... And 20' of 1/4" chain.
Sent from my iPhoneThat’s interesting, Pat: Whalewatcher doesn’t sail around her anchor with the mizzen set. Wonder if it would without the mizzen. If my theory about the hull becoming a foil, developing high- and low-pressure sides, and swinging until the pressures must switch sides, then swinging the other way, the Birdwatcher’s double-endedness is a large part of the cause. So I would ask, do double-ended, flat-sided boats do this more than others? How was your Nimble 20?—did you need to set her mizzen at anchor too? (I saw one lately, on Mallet’s Bay, Lake Champlain, am trying to see if it can be bought.) ---Mason
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Sent:Monday, October 14, 2013 8:49 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Cc:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
I have a whalewatcher which is almost as high sided as an AS/29, just no raised house. I have been in an AS/29 and its sides are only a couple of inches higher above the waterline. I use the mizzen religiously as a riding sail and have experienced no problems sailing at anchor. Of course the WW doesn't have the big plumb bow...but it does have even more fore overhang, probably five feet or more.
I use a Quickset with plenty of chain and a high tensile Danforth as backup. It carries plenty of chain too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
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Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:30 AM, "mason smith" <masonsmith@...> wrote:
That’s interesting, Pat: Whalewatcher doesn’t sail around her anchor with the mizzen set. Wonder if it would without the mizzen. If my theory about the hull becoming a foil, developing high- and low-pressure sides, and swinging until the pressures must switch sides, then swinging the other way, the Birdwatcher’s double-endedness is a large part of the cause. So I would ask, do double-ended, flat-sided boats do this more than others? How was your Nimble 20?—did you need to set her mizzen at anchor too? (I saw one lately, on Mallet’s Bay, Lake Champlain, am trying to see if it can be bought.) ---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfConnor, Patrick
Sent:Monday, October 14, 2013 8:49 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Cc:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
I have a whalewatcher which is almost as high sided as an AS/29, just no raised house. I have been in an AS/29 and its sides are only a couple of inches higher above the waterline. I use the mizzen religiously as a riding sail and have experienced no problems sailing at anchor. Of course the WW doesn't have the big plumb bow...but it does have even more fore overhang, probably five feet or more.
I use a Quickset with plenty of chain and a high tensile Danforth as backup. It carries plenty of chain too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 14, 2013, at 9:30 AM, "mason smith" <masonsmith@...> wrote:
That’s interesting, Pat: Whalewatcher doesn’t sail around her anchor with the mizzen set. Wonder if it would without the mizzen. If my theory about the hull becoming a foil, developing high- and low-pressure sides, and swinging until the pressures must switch sides, then swinging the other way, the Birdwatcher’s double-endedness is a large part of the cause. So I would ask, do double-ended, flat-sided boats do this more than others? How was your Nimble 20?—did you need to set her mizzen at anchor too? (I saw one lately, on Mallet’s Bay, Lake Champlain, am trying to see if it can be bought.) ---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfConnor, Patrick
Sent:Monday, October 14, 2013 8:49 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Cc:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
I have a whalewatcher which is almost as high sided as an AS/29, just no raised house. I have been in an AS/29 and its sides are only a couple of inches higher above the waterline. I use the mizzen religiously as a riding sail and have experienced no problems sailing at anchor. Of course the WW doesn't have the big plumb bow...but it does have even more fore overhang, probably five feet or more.
I use a Quickset with plenty of chain and a high tensile Danforth as backup. It carries plenty of chain too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
That’s interesting, Pat: Whalewatcher doesn’t sail around her anchor with the mizzen set. Wonder if it would without the mizzen. If my theory about the hull becoming a foil, developing high- and low-pressure sides, and swinging until the pressures must switch sides, then swinging the other way, the Birdwatcher’s double-endedness is a large part of the cause. So I would ask, do double-ended, flat-sided boats do this more than others? How was your Nimble 20?—did you need to set her mizzen at anchor too? (I saw one lately, on Mallet’s Bay, Lake Champlain, am trying to see if it can be bought.) ---Mason
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf OfConnor, Patrick
Sent:Monday, October 14, 2013 8:49 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Cc:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
I have a whalewatcher which is almost as high sided as an AS/29, just no raised house. I have been in an AS/29 and its sides are only a couple of inches higher above the waterline. I use the mizzen religiously as a riding sail and have experienced no problems sailing at anchor. Of course the WW doesn't have the big plumb bow...but it does have even more fore overhang, probably five feet or more.
I use a Quickset with plenty of chain and a high tensile Danforth as backup. It carries plenty of chain too.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 12, 2013, at 8:13 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:
The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
That's interesting. I was going to unreservedly recommend bow and stern anchors before reading your post. Of course, an unballasted 14' 5" Michalak Philsboat birdwatcher and a 41' Morgan are chalk and cheese.
I anchor my Philsboat parallel to the shore, fore and aft on long scopes. I leave the offset centreboard down to stop roll and the tiller to lee, so that the rudder is constantly trying to turn the boat into the wind.
I've slept relatively comfortably this way on the windward side in winds gusting to 25 knots, because the open slot was parallel to the on-shore wind, so I was sheltered under the slot decks.
I've also anchored stern too, which stops yawing, but I found the wave slap on the stern to be very annoying and of course the wind comes straight through the slot.
So for my situation, anchoring side on rather than fore and aft, seems to be the best solution.
Cheers,
Rob.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Careful with that stern anchor. I once anchored a Morgan 41 OI. fore and aft in Longboat Pass in Fl.
We woke up at dawn with the boat sideways to a falling tide with both rodes tight as a drum . The tide runs about 4 knots and the boat was healed about 30 degrees. The lines were so tight I could not free them from the cleats. I tied a boat cushion to the aft line and cut it with a knife. It acted like a cut bow string. When the boat swung straight I used the dink to retrieve the aft anchor and rode.I then motored up on the bow anchor ,created slack and free the line from the cleat. the Anchor was so embedded in the sand bottom I had to motor over it to dislodge it.
Never made that mistake again. BTW almost all sinkings of small boats are cause by waves entering the boat from the stern being held down by a stern anchor. Careful . Rocky
From:"Mark Albanese" <marka97203@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:46:30 AM
Subject:[bolger] RE: AS-29 for sale
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Lee by drifting with the wind. WHEN the wind would be moving met to
fast. I would toss out two 5 gallon buckets..One off each end of the
boat. I was in my 8 foot scow drifting like that when a big boat
buzzed me..I was shocked at how well my boat rode out the wake...The
buckets of water did help a lot...I have wondered IF a 1 inch hole in
the bottom would make them work better...A decent bridle may help..
The hole would make it easier to raise them and a small weight on one
side near the top may make them sink faster..I am a big fan of Sea
Anchors..
On 10/13/13, Scot McPherson <scot.mcpherson@...> wrote:
> How about a bucket off the stern? Wouldn't that give the "sea anchor" more
> leverage to keep the boat from swaying so much on the rode?
>
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> Old Lyme, CT
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:33 PM, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
>
>> The bucket is full of water, because it's submerged, and it's slung from
>> the rode near the bow of the boat. I suppose it could be slung right off
>> the bow on a separate line. I think I picked up that tip from John
>> Welsford on one of the groups he frequents. I haven't tried it out
>> myself...
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:46:30 -0700, Mark A wrote:
>>
>> > I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with
>> > a
>> > BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
>> >
>> > It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode
>> > would
>> > help.
>> > ...
>>
>> --
>> John (jkohnen@...)
>> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
>> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
>>
>
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
On Oct 13, 2013, at 3:33 PM, "John Kohnen" <jhkohnen@...> wrote:
The bucket is full of water, because it's submerged, and it's slung from
the rode near the bow of the boat. I suppose it could be slung right off
the bow on a separate line. I think I picked up that tip from John
Welsford on one of the groups he frequents. I haven't tried it out
myself...
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:46:30 -0700, Mark A wrote:
> I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a
> BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
>
> It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would
> help.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
the rode near the bow of the boat. I suppose it could be slung right off
the bow on a separate line. I think I picked up that tip from John
Welsford on one of the groups he frequents. I haven't tried it out
myself...
On Sun, 13 Oct 2013 03:46:30 -0700, Mark A wrote:
> I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a
> BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
>
> It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would
> help.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. (Benjamin Franklin)
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 13, 2013, at 10:10 AM,captainrocky@...wrote:
Careful with that stern anchor. I once anchored a Morgan 41 OI. fore and aft in Longboat Pass in Fl.
We woke up at dawn with the boat sideways to a falling tide with both rodes tight as a drum . The tide runs about 4 knots and the boat was healed about 30 degrees. The lines were so tight I could not free them from the cleats. I tied a boat cushion to the aft line and cut it with a knife. It acted like a cut bow string. When the boat swung straight I used the dink to retrieve the aft anchor and rode.I then motored up on the bow anchor ,created slack and free the line from the cleat. the Anchor was so embedded in the sand bottom I had to motor over it to dislodge it.
Never made that mistake again. BTW almost all sinkings of small boats are cause by waves entering the boat from the stern being held down by a stern anchor. Careful . Rocky
From:"Mark Albanese" <marka97203@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:46:30 AM
Subject:[bolger] RE: AS-29 for sale
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
We woke up at dawn with the boat sideways to a falling tide with both rodes tight as a drum . The tide runs about 4 knots and the boat was healed about 30 degrees. The lines were so tight I could not free them from the cleats. I tied a boat cushion to the aft line and cut it with a knife. It acted like a cut bow string. When the boat swung straight I used the dink to retrieve the aft anchor and rode.I then motored up on the bow anchor ,created slack and free the line from the cleat. the Anchor was so embedded in the sand bottom I had to motor over it to dislodge it.
Never made that mistake again. BTW almost all sinkings of small boats are cause by waves entering the boat from the stern being held down by a stern anchor. Careful . Rocky
From:"Mark Albanese" <marka97203@...>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Sunday, October 13, 2013 6:46:30 AM
Subject:[bolger] RE: AS-29 for sale
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Bolger solved the pounding problem with an upgraded version of the AS-29 that had a rounded section added under the bow. This allowed for more comfortable anchoring. It would likely have to be done during construction and not as a retrofit. It's not on Walkure.
We never found the "anchor dance" - yawing - to be at all annoying. If the water was deep enough, we put a board down, which slowed the motion a lot. Otherwise, we just got used to it. It's not nearly as pronounced on the AS-29 as it is on a MacGreggor or a Hunter. We've seen 40 foot Hunters dancing to and fro like mad while we sat relatively still.
You can set the mizzen as a riding sail, and it helps, but mostly we didn't bother.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:
I'm not a more expert sailor, but can say my Michalak Jewelbox Jr. with a BW top rhythmically swings ever bit of 180 degrees.
It was suggested to me that a full bucket slung from along the rode would help.
Funny, when I mentioned the swing to another old salt, one who sails a Witholtz cat boat, he shrugged and said not to worry, they all do that.
The big house is a good sized sail. Next time I'll simply try a second anchor over the stern.
marka
On Oct 12, 2013 5:12 PM, "Mason Smith" <goodboat@...> wrote:The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for saleMike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---Inbolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found athttp://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
The question of boats “yawing” at anchor interests me if I understand what M. soubriquet means by yawing. My Birdwatchers would swing almost 180 degrees around their anchors or a drogue, reaching high sideways speeds in the middle of the swing. Birdwatcher would take the head off a swimmer who ventured into its arc. I came to think that the hull became a foil, and developed a high- and a low-pressure side, each way. If that is the physics of yawing or swinging to a mooring, the relief might come from thwarting air flow over one side: rigging a baffle or spoiler of some kind on one forequarter. What do more expert sailors think?
From:bolger@yahoogroups.com [mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Ofa.sobriquet@...
Sent:Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:45 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:[bolger] RE: RE: AS-29 for sale
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare becaus e of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:
We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182
Thanks,
Connie
Mike,
It's been said that AS-xx sharpies pound at anchor in a chop, and that they yaw at anchor if they don't carry a riding sail -- and that they yaw even with a riding sail if wind and tide are contrary. How did you solve those problems on Walkure?
A. Sobriquet
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare because of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182Thanks,Connie
This is the boat that I built and sailed on the Hudson River, the Erie canal, Lake Ontario, Huron, Michigan, Georgian Bay, North Channel, Mississippi River, Ohio River, Tenn-Tom Waterway, the Gulf of Mexico from Mobile to the Keys, the ICW from the Keys to the Chesapeake. We sold her a while back to move to a bigger boat that was given to us. We were happy that she would be used and cared for, but sad to lose her. There are times when we miss this great little boat. She'll get you into anchorages no other sailboat would dare because of her shallow draft. She'll never give you worries about low bridges. If you are thinking about buying Walkure, you can contact me for details on her construction, etc. Shortly before his death, we visited Phil Bolger and showed him pictures and he approved. He commented that the cut of her mainsail was about perfect, just what he designed. Any owner of this boat will never want for attention from an admiring public.
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <euriskocreekmore@...> wrote:We are selling our AS-29. Specifics can be found at http://simplysailingonline.com/index.php?page=ss182Thanks,Connie