Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?

The 26 foot and 5 ton rule of thumb were just that ...not the actual rule.
The actual formulas take in a combination of length ,beam, draft and cabin
size. Al of which is described in the relevent USCG publication and website.

Bob


----- Original Message -----
From: Phil Smith <pbs@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?


>
> lm2 wrote:
> >
> >
> > The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG
registration
> > ( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons displacement) USCG
is
> > pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types
multihull,
> > power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.
> >
> > Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages over
state
> > registration.
> >
>
>
> The folding schooner's dimensions are 31' X 5' so it would evidently
> qualify for the USCG's program.
>
> Phil Smith
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
lm2 wrote:
>
>
> The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG registration
> ( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons displacement) USCG is
> pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types ( multihull,
> power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.
>
> Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages over state
> registration.
>


The folding schooner's dimensions are 31' X 5' so it would evidently
qualify for the USCG's program.

Phil Smith
Here in Kansas, it's pretty simple. The Parks people have you fill out a
10 question form, and then write on a sheet of paper "how" you built it.
(They figure if you can explain the building, then you built it.)

Then, you

As a warning: they also ask what commercial boat it is most like. They
will then use this as a basis for valuation. If it's a Bolger homebuilt
boat, insist that it is unlike anything commercial, and tell them how much
you spent in supplies. That forms the valuation.

They wanted me to value my Teal at about $2,000. If anyone want to buy it
for 25% of that, give me a call, quick!!!!

-Chris
On Wed, 30 Aug 2000, Leander S. Harding wrote:
> --- In Maine where I do most of my boating. You pay to register
> according to motor size. About $10 for less than 5hp. CT bases it on
> length and it will cost over $140. This is the land of taxation.

The land of undertaxation, I think you meant. Lowest taxes per capita of
any of the major industrial nations.

Boating regs are far less restrictive in the USA than they are in the UK,
or any of the EU countries. Try selling your homemade boat in the EU, and
you'll see the difference.
---I don't need to document it. I wasn't sure if Bob and Sheila were
talking about the documentation process or the custom builder
process.
Still and all it might be kind of fun to tell people that you own a
self built, USCG Documented Schooner.
LSH

Inbolger@egroups.com, GHC <ghartc@p...> wrote:
> You'll need a state sticker anyway; why do you want to document it?
>
> Gregg Carlson
>
> >--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "lm2" <lm2@v...> wrote:
> >>The Folding Schooner is 31 and one half feet LOA. I am not sure
of
> >the waterline but it would be close to 26 fT.
> >What do you think?
> >Leander
> >
> > The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG
> >registration
> >> ( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons
displacement)
> >USCG is
> >> pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types
(
> >multihull,
> >> power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.
> >>
> >> Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages
> >over state
> >> registration.
> >>
> >> Bob & Sheila
> >> St Thomas USVI
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Richard Spelling <richard@s...>
> >> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:22 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > That was me. I made so many boats the lake patrol said I
needed
to
> >> register
> >> > as a manufacturer to assign my own numbers.... <grin>
> >> >
> >> > Generaly, the inspections is painless, at least in OK. The
> >inspector even
> >> > commented that he had inspected, and assigned a hull number
to,
> >four 55
> >> > gallon barrels and some plywood...
> >> >
> >> > Anyway, contact your local Coast Gaurd office, they will know
who
> >you need
> >> > to talk to about getting a manufactures identification number.
> >> >
> >> > Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> >> > >From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...>
> >> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:25 AM
> >> > Subject: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > > Some time ago someone posted a message about applying to the
> >Coast
> >> > > Guard to be a custom builder so that you could give your
boat
a
> >hull
> >> > > number. I have been investigating registering the Folding
> >Schooner I
> >> > > am building here in CT and find that I will have to take the
> >boat to
> >> > > the Department of Environmental Protection to get an
inspection
> >and a
> >> > > hull number. The boat can't be registered without a hull
> >number.
> >I
> >> > > have visions of a long wait to have my boat looked at by
somone
> >who
> >> > > doesn't know anything about boats or the laws he is supposed
to
> >> > > administer. I remember that the Coast Guard proces sounded
> >fairly
> >> > > painless. I could register the boat here in town if I had a
hull
> >> > > number. Any advice greatly appreciated.
> >> > >
> >> > > We are not going to make the revised late August launch but
are
> >> > > within
> >> > > days of a launch. Need handles for one bilge board, install
the
> >> > > rudder, cut out the tiller, paint all the bits and pieces
and
> >then
> >> > > rig
> >> > > the boat. Really would like to get the bottom wet this fall.
> >Thanks
> >> > > to
> >> > > all for help and encourage
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Bolger rules!!!
> >> > > - no cursing
> >> > > - stay on topic
> >> > > - use punctuation
> >> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> >> > > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts
off-list.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Bolger rules!!!
> >> > - no cursing
> >> > - stay on topic
> >> > - use punctuation
> >> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> >> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts
> >
> >
> >Bolger rules!!!
> >- no cursing
> >- stay on topic
> >- use punctuation
> >- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> >- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off
You'll need a state sticker anyway; why do you want to document it?

Gregg Carlson

>--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "lm2" <lm2@v...> wrote:
>>The Folding Schooner is 31 and one half feet LOA. I am not sure of
>the waterline but it would be close to 26 fT.
>What do you think?
>Leander
>
> The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG
>registration
>> ( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons displacement)
>USCG is
>> pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types (
>multihull,
>> power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.
>>
>> Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages
>over state
>> registration.
>>
>> Bob & Sheila
>> St Thomas USVI
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Richard Spelling <richard@s...>
>> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > That was me. I made so many boats the lake patrol said I needed to
>> register
>> > as a manufacturer to assign my own numbers.... <grin>
>> >
>> > Generaly, the inspections is painless, at least in OK. The
>inspector even
>> > commented that he had inspected, and assigned a hull number to,
>four 55
>> > gallon barrels and some plywood...
>> >
>> > Anyway, contact your local Coast Gaurd office, they will know who
>you need
>> > to talk to about getting a manufactures identification number.
>> >
>> > Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
>> > >From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...>
>> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:25 AM
>> > Subject: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
>> >
>> >
>> > >
>> > > Some time ago someone posted a message about applying to the
>Coast
>> > > Guard to be a custom builder so that you could give your boat a
>hull
>> > > number. I have been investigating registering the Folding
>Schooner I
>> > > am building here in CT and find that I will have to take the
>boat to
>> > > the Department of Environmental Protection to get an inspection
>and a
>> > > hull number. The boat can't be registered without a hull
>number.
>I
>> > > have visions of a long wait to have my boat looked at by somone
>who
>> > > doesn't know anything about boats or the laws he is supposed to
>> > > administer. I remember that the Coast Guard proces sounded
>fairly
>> > > painless. I could register the boat here in town if I had a hull
>> > > number. Any advice greatly appreciated.
>> > >
>> > > We are not going to make the revised late August launch but are
>> > > within
>> > > days of a launch. Need handles for one bilge board, install the
>> > > rudder, cut out the tiller, paint all the bits and pieces and
>then
>> > > rig
>> > > the boat. Really would like to get the bottom wet this fall.
>Thanks
>> > > to
>> > > all for help and encourage
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Bolger rules!!!
>> > > - no cursing
>> > > - stay on topic
>> > > - use punctuation
>> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> > > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bolger rules!!!
>> > - no cursing
>> > - stay on topic
>> > - use punctuation
>> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts
>
>
>Bolger rules!!!
>- no cursing
>- stay on topic
>- use punctuation
>- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
>- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
If I cruise my Micro abroad (where registration helps) I will probably just
cheat and get my English wife to register her.. My biggest problem at the moment
is a suitable name for my Micro. Ihave went through several possibles including
Perfect Storm, Flounder, Lynie Lou, That'll do and a few others....
More Like the land of the Fee! From what I can determine most states
require you to register your boat. This entails going to some government
bureaucrat that barely looks at your boat and assigns you the next number on
his list and charges you based on the length of you boat. The reason given
for this is thief prevention, just like cars have ID numbers that will help
the police find your stolen car. (A friend of mines car was stollen and the
police said that it was impossible to find it, they where right it never
was, so much for the protection of the ID number:) Indiana where I live
there is only one out and that is if your boat does not use any type of
motor (gas, diesel, or electric) if it is row or sail it doesn't need to be
registered, I guess that they feel only power boats get stollen.

Well that's the end of my rant

Michael Surface


>From: <daniel.curnutte@...>
>Reply-To:bolger@egroups.com
>To:bolger@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
>Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 15:04:42 +0000
>
>
>
>I thought you guys lived in the land of the free!!
>Is registration compulsory over there? In England you can register your
>boat if
>you want to but it offers little in the way of benefits (unless perhaps you
>want
>to sell). You have to be a UK citizen to register however and as I am US
>citizen
>my boat will remain unregistered.
>
>

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I thought you guys lived in the land of the free!!
Is registration compulsory over there? In England you can register your boat if
you want to but it offers little in the way of benefits (unless perhaps you want
to sell). You have to be a UK citizen to register however and as I am US citizen
my boat will remain unregistered.
--- In Maine where I do most of my boating. You pay to register
according to motor size. About $10 for less than 5hp. CT bases it on
length and it will cost over $140. This is the land of taxation.
Leander

Inbolger@egroups.com, <daniel.curnutte@r...> wrote:
>
>
> I thought you guys lived in the land of the free!!
> Is registration compulsory over there? In England you can register
your boat if
> you want to but it offers little in the way of benefits (unless
perhaps you want
> to sell). You have to be a UK citizen to register however and as I
am US citizen
> my boat will remain unregist
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "lm2" <lm2@v...> wrote:
>The Folding Schooner is 31 and one half feet LOA. I am not sure of
the waterline but it would be close to 26 fT.
What do you think?
Leander

The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG
registration
> ( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons displacement)
USCG is
> pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types (
multihull,
> power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.
>
> Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages
over state
> registration.
>
> Bob & Sheila
> St Thomas USVI
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Spelling <richard@s...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
>
>
> >
> > That was me. I made so many boats the lake patrol said I needed to
> register
> > as a manufacturer to assign my own numbers.... <grin>
> >
> > Generaly, the inspections is painless, at least in OK. The
inspector even
> > commented that he had inspected, and assigned a hull number to,
four 55
> > gallon barrels and some plywood...
> >
> > Anyway, contact your local Coast Gaurd office, they will know who
you need
> > to talk to about getting a manufactures identification number.
> >
> > Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> > >From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@s...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:25 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Some time ago someone posted a message about applying to the
Coast
> > > Guard to be a custom builder so that you could give your boat a
hull
> > > number. I have been investigating registering the Folding
Schooner I
> > > am building here in CT and find that I will have to take the
boat to
> > > the Department of Environmental Protection to get an inspection
and a
> > > hull number. The boat can't be registered without a hull
number.
I
> > > have visions of a long wait to have my boat looked at by somone
who
> > > doesn't know anything about boats or the laws he is supposed to
> > > administer. I remember that the Coast Guard proces sounded
fairly
> > > painless. I could register the boat here in town if I had a hull
> > > number. Any advice greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > We are not going to make the revised late August launch but are
> > > within
> > > days of a launch. Need handles for one bilge board, install the
> > > rudder, cut out the tiller, paint all the bits and pieces and
then
> > > rig
> > > the boat. Really would like to get the bottom wet this fall.
Thanks
> > > to
> > > all for help and encourage
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing
> > > - stay on topic
> > > - use punctuation
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts
As an american who has built several boats in europe I have found that the
European powers that be are very accomadating to us Expat types.

I have researched France,Germany and the UK as well as european union so
have the info at hand if for any citizens of the US of A who want to build
and cruise a boat in Europe. Drop me a line and I will be happy to help.

Bob & Sheila
Paradise Connections
St Thomas USVI
----- Original Message -----
From: <daniel.curnutte@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?


>
>
>
> I thought you guys lived in the land of the free!!
> Is registration compulsory over there? In England you can register your
boat if
> you want to but it offers little in the way of benefits (unless perhaps
you want
> to sell). You have to be a UK citizen to register however and as I am US
citizen
> my boat will remain unregistered.
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
That was me. I made so many boats the lake patrol said I needed to register
as a manufacturer to assign my own numbers.... <grin>

Generaly, the inspections is painless, at least in OK. The inspector even
commented that he had inspected, and assigned a hull number to, four 55
gallon barrels and some plywood...

Anyway, contact your local Coast Gaurd office, they will know who you need
to talk to about getting a manufactures identification number.

Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
From the muddy waters of Oklahoma

----- Original Message -----
From: "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:25 AM
Subject: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?


>
> Some time ago someone posted a message about applying to the Coast
> Guard to be a custom builder so that you could give your boat a hull
> number. I have been investigating registering the Folding Schooner I
> am building here in CT and find that I will have to take the boat to
> the Department of Environmental Protection to get an inspection and a
> hull number. The boat can't be registered without a hull number. I
> have visions of a long wait to have my boat looked at by somone who
> doesn't know anything about boats or the laws he is supposed to
> administer. I remember that the Coast Guard proces sounded fairly
> painless. I could register the boat here in town if I had a hull
> number. Any advice greatly appreciated.
>
> We are not going to make the revised late August launch but are
> within
> days of a launch. Need handles for one bilge board, install the
> rudder, cut out the tiller, paint all the bits and pieces and then
> rig
> the boat. Really would like to get the bottom wet this fall. Thanks
> to
> all for help and encourage
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
These state registration routines are very frustrating - have you considered
just looking at somebody's runabout for the format and assigning your own
number? I'll bet the registration clerks don't give a flip except for
filling in the blank. If they object, just say "I'm sorry, I thought I
could do that, after all I did build it" and then go the hard way...

Don Hodges

----- Original Message -----
From: lm2 <lm2@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?


>
> The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG
registration
> ( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons displacement) USCG
is
> pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types
multihull,
> power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.
>
> Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages over
state
> registration.
>
> Bob & Sheila
> St Thomas USVI
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
>
>
> >
> > That was me. I made so many boats the lake patrol said I needed to
> register
> > as a manufacturer to assign my own numbers.... <grin>
> >
> > Generaly, the inspections is painless, at least in OK. The inspector
even
> > commented that he had inspected, and assigned a hull number to, four 55
> > gallon barrels and some plywood...
> >
> > Anyway, contact your local Coast Gaurd office, they will know who you
need
> > to talk to about getting a manufactures identification number.
> >
> > Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> > >From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@...>
> > To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:25 AM
> > Subject: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Some time ago someone posted a message about applying to the Coast
> > > Guard to be a custom builder so that you could give your boat a hull
> > > number. I have been investigating registering the Folding Schooner I
> > > am building here in CT and find that I will have to take the boat to
> > > the Department of Environmental Protection to get an inspection and a
> > > hull number. The boat can't be registered without a hull number. I
> > > have visions of a long wait to have my boat looked at by somone who
> > > doesn't know anything about boats or the laws he is supposed to
> > > administer. I remember that the Coast Guard proces sounded fairly
> > > painless. I could register the boat here in town if I had a hull
> > > number. Any advice greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > We are not going to make the revised late August launch but are
> > > within
> > > days of a launch. Need handles for one bilge board, install the
> > > rudder, cut out the tiller, paint all the bits and pieces and then
> > > rig
> > > the boat. Really would like to get the bottom wet this fall. Thanks
> > > to
> > > all for help and encourage
> > >
> > >
> > > Bolger rules!!!
> > > - no cursing
> > > - stay on topic
> > > - use punctuation
> > > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
> >
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>
The folding schooner is too small a boat to qualify for a USCG registration
( the rule of thumb is over 26 feet or over five tons displacement) USCG is
pretty flexible and has various formulas for various hull types ( multihull,
power, barge etc) so you may want to check out their web site.

Whenever possible do go the USCG route as it has many advantages over state
registration.

Bob & Sheila
St Thomas USVI



----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Spelling <richard@...>
To: <bolger@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?


>
> That was me. I made so many boats the lake patrol said I needed to
register
> as a manufacturer to assign my own numbers.... <grin>
>
> Generaly, the inspections is painless, at least in OK. The inspector even
> commented that he had inspected, and assigned a hull number to, four 55
> gallon barrels and some plywood...
>
> Anyway, contact your local Coast Gaurd office, they will know who you need
> to talk to about getting a manufactures identification number.
>
> Richard Spelling,http://www.spellingbusiness.com/boats
> >From the muddy waters of Oklahoma
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leander S. Harding" <lharding@...>
> To: <bolger@egroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2000 7:25 AM
> Subject: [bolger] Getting A Hull Number?
>
>
> >
> > Some time ago someone posted a message about applying to the Coast
> > Guard to be a custom builder so that you could give your boat a hull
> > number. I have been investigating registering the Folding Schooner I
> > am building here in CT and find that I will have to take the boat to
> > the Department of Environmental Protection to get an inspection and a
> > hull number. The boat can't be registered without a hull number. I
> > have visions of a long wait to have my boat looked at by somone who
> > doesn't know anything about boats or the laws he is supposed to
> > administer. I remember that the Coast Guard proces sounded fairly
> > painless. I could register the boat here in town if I had a hull
> > number. Any advice greatly appreciated.
> >
> > We are not going to make the revised late August launch but are
> > within
> > days of a launch. Need handles for one bilge board, install the
> > rudder, cut out the tiller, paint all the bits and pieces and then
> > rig
> > the boat. Really would like to get the bottom wet this fall. Thanks
> > to
> > all for help and encourage
> >
> >
> > Bolger rules!!!
> > - no cursing
> > - stay on topic
> > - use punctuation
> > - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> > - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> >
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
>
>