RE: [bolger] Re: sensitivity to epoxy (Was - Bolger Clam Skiff)

I have not tried them all, just a few brands, but find the Raka formulations milder than the others.

Mark

On Aug 22, 2015 12:03 PM, "'John Trussell'jtrussell2@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Some folks are subject to allergies and some folks become sensitized to materials like epoxy.

It is not too difficult to avoid epoxy on your skin. Nitrile gloves (buy ‘em by the box) will avoid most of it. I have a dedicated sweat shirt and old pants which protect my arms, legs, and body (there are disposable coveralls or disposable sleeves which also work). Epoxy fumes come in two stages. The first occurs when you mix the epoxy and spread it, but most of it occurs as the epoxy cures and out gasses. There are a variety of respirators which work, and it makes sense to do big epoxy jobs at the end of the day and walk away until the epoxy cures and finishes out gassing. I have been told that epoxy fumes are heavier than air, so leaving a garage door cracked will aid in dispersal of fumes.

If you should get epoxy on your skin, do not try to remove it with a solvent (including alcohol or vinegar) as this will drive nasty things into your skin. I’ve had good luck with Lava soap; perhaps there is a better way. If you get epoxy on your clothes. Forget about it—I have not found any way to get it out!

Many of the materials used in boat building can produce dust which can be sensitizing. Good dust masks (the kind with a valve in the middle –buy ‘em by the box) are essential and anything you can do to collect dust is well worth the effort. I use a random orbital sander hooked to a shop vac and this helps a lot.

As I get older, I find that there are things I have to give up and things where I have to find other materials/ways/devices to do things that used to be easy.

JohnT

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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]
Sent:Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:22 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: sensitivity to epoxy (Was - Bolger Clam Skiff)

It may have been you I read about, but I'll bet it has afflicted quite a few. Glad you found a solution. I've been amazed at how well exterior latex holds up on boats.

On Aug 22, 2015 11:18 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

 

Frightfully great story. I once wrote fantasy satire and explained the term "epoxy" came from English sailors who used clear tree sap to sully a fellow sailor's berth, resulting in his sticking to his bedding. The following day, the perpetrator would taunt, "A pox upon thee." It became shortened to epoxy.

On Aug 22, 2015 12:42 PM, "James Fullerjames@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

A true epoxy story.

Before i retired, I worked for a company that along with other things, sold an epoxy that together with clean sand was spread on the floor of a copper refinery.  Chemicals used in the refining process ate up the concrete floors.  The epoxy sand mix was sacrificed to save the concrete floors.  The salesman from the vendor that we bought the epoxy and sand from told us the following story.  Seems that an employee in the epoxy division got some epoxy on his hands.  He then had to use the urinal, and did so without washing his hands.  He and his wife had relations that night.  A few days or weeks later (I don't remember) his wife developed a problem.  After seeing a doctor, who of course was not able to diagnose the problem correctly, she accused the husband of bringing home more than the bacon.  He of course denied any guilt.  Bitter arguments ensued, and the wife filed for a divorce.  He missed some work and while being counseled by the plant manager the story of the pending divorce and the cause of the complaint came out.  After some investigation the plant manager of suggested the possibility of epoxy sensitivity.  The man contacted his wife's doctor who was able to determine that epoxy had caused the problem, not the husband.  There was no happy reunion however.  The couple had said things to each other that neither would forgive and they were divorced.

Sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction.

James Fuller

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 22, 2015, at 1:02 PM, 'John Trussell'jtrussell2@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Some folks are subject to allergies and some folks become sensitized to materials like epoxy.

 

It is not too difficult to avoid epoxy on your skin. Nitrile gloves (buy ‘em by the box) will avoid most of it. I have a dedicated sweat shirt and old pants which protect my arms, legs, and body (there are disposable coveralls or disposable sleeves which also work). Epoxy fumes come in two stages. The first occurs when you mix the epoxy and spread it, but most of it occurs as the epoxy cures and out gasses. There are a variety of respirators which work, and it makes sense to do big epoxy jobs at the end of the day and walk away until the epoxy cures and finishes out gassing. I have been told that epoxy fumes are heavier than air, so leaving a garage door cracked will aid in dispersal of fumes.

 

If you should get epoxy on your skin, do not try to remove it with a solvent (including alcohol or vinegar) as this will drive nasty things into your skin. I’ve had good luck with Lava soap; perhaps there is a better way. If you get epoxy on your clothes. Forget about it—I have not found any way to get it out!

 

Many of the materials used in boat building can produce dust which can be sensitizing. Good dust masks (the kind with a valve in the middle –buy ‘em by the box) are essential and anything you can do to collect dust is well worth the effort. I use a random orbital sander hooked to a shop vac and this helps a lot.

 

As I get older, I find that there are things I have to give up and things where I have to find other materials/ways/devices to do things that used to be easy.

 

JohnT

 

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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]
Sent:Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:22 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: sensitivity to epoxy (Was - Bolger Clam Skiff)

 

 

It may have been you I read about, but I'll bet it has afflicted quite a few. Glad you found a solution. I've been amazed at how well exterior latex holds up on boats.

On Aug 22, 2015 11:18 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

Like you I am amazed how well Exterior Latex bonds to polyester and also to Titebond II. I think a mistake I've made in the past was applying the latex to thick. Thick layers of latex stay soft for a very long time. For a boat bottom a good coat of Tightbond 2 then 2 coats of latex cured for 6 weeks in the summer and the boat paint is surprising strong. Good luck. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 1:21 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

It may have been you I read about, but I'll bet it has afflicted quite a few. Glad you found a solution. I've been amazed at how well exterior latex holds up on boats.

On Aug 22, 2015 11:18 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

Frightfully great story. I once wrote fantasy satire and explained the term "epoxy" came from English sailors who used clear tree sap to sully a fellow sailor's berth, resulting in his sticking to his bedding. The following day, the perpetrator would taunt, "A pox upon thee." It became shortened to epoxy.

On Aug 22, 2015 12:42 PM, "James Fullerjames@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

A true epoxy story.

Before i retired, I worked for a company that along with other things, sold an epoxy that together with clean sand was spread on the floor of a copper refinery.  Chemicals used in the refining process ate up the concrete floors.  The epoxy sand mix was sacrificed to save the concrete floors.  The salesman from the vendor that we bought the epoxy and sand from told us the following story.  Seems that an employee in the epoxy division got some epoxy on his hands.  He then had to use the urinal, and did so without washing his hands.  He and his wife had relations that night.  A few days or weeks later (I don't remember) his wife developed a problem.  After seeing a doctor, who of course was not able to diagnose the problem correctly, she accused the husband of bringing home more than the bacon.  He of course denied any guilt.  Bitter arguments ensued, and the wife filed for a divorce.  He missed some work and while being counseled by the plant manager the story of the pending divorce and the cause of the complaint came out.  After some investigation the plant manager of suggested the possibility of epoxy sensitivity.  The man contacted his wife's doctor who was able to determine that epoxy had caused the problem, not the husband.  There was no happy reunion however.  The couple had said things to each other that neither would forgive and they were divorced.

Sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction.

James Fuller

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 22, 2015, at 1:02 PM, 'John Trussell'jtrussell2@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Some folks are subject to allergies and some folks become sensitized to materials like epoxy.

It is not too difficult to avoid epoxy on your skin. Nitrile gloves (buy ‘em by the box) will avoid most of it. I have a dedicated sweat shirt and old pants which protect my arms, legs, and body (there are disposable coveralls or disposable sleeves which also work). Epoxy fumes come in two stages. The first occurs when you mix the epoxy and spread it, but most of it occurs as the epoxy cures and out gasses. There are a variety of respirators which work, and it makes sense to do big epoxy jobs at the end of the day and walk away until the epoxy cures and finishes out gassing. I have been told that epoxy fumes are heavier than air, so leaving a garage door cracked will aid in dispersal of fumes.

If you should get epoxy on your skin, do not try to remove it with a solvent (including alcohol or vinegar) as this will drive nasty things into your skin. I’ve had good luck with Lava soap; perhaps there is a better way. If you get epoxy on your clothes. Forget about it—I have not found any way to get it out!

Many of the materials used in boat building can produce dust which can be sensitizing. Good dust masks (the kind with a valve in the middle –buy ‘em by the box) are essential and anything you can do to collect dust is well worth the effort. I use a random orbital sander hooked to a shop vac and this helps a lot.

As I get older, I find that there are things I have to give up and things where I have to find other materials/ways/devices to do things that used to be easy.

JohnT

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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]
Sent:Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:22 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: sensitivity to epoxy (Was - Bolger Clam Skiff)

It may have been you I read about, but I'll bet it has afflicted quite a few. Glad you found a solution. I've been amazed at how well exterior latex holds up on boats.

On Aug 22, 2015 11:18 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

 

Some folks are subject to allergies and some folks become sensitized to materials like epoxy.

 

It is not too difficult to avoid epoxy on your skin. Nitrile gloves (buy ‘em by the box) will avoid most of it. I have a dedicated sweat shirt and old pants which protect my arms, legs, and body (there are disposable coveralls or disposable sleeves which also work). Epoxy fumes come in two stages. The first occurs when you mix the epoxy and spread it, but most of it occurs as the epoxy cures and out gasses. There are a variety of respirators which work, and it makes sense to do big epoxy jobs at the end of the day and walk away until the epoxy cures and finishes out gassing. I have been told that epoxy fumes are heavier than air, so leaving a garage door cracked will aid in dispersal of fumes.

 

If you should get epoxy on your skin, do not try to remove it with a solvent (including alcohol or vinegar) as this will drive nasty things into your skin. I’ve had good luck with Lava soap; perhaps there is a better way. If you get epoxy on your clothes. Forget about it—I have not found any way to get it out!

 

Many of the materials used in boat building can produce dust which can be sensitizing. Good dust masks (the kind with a valve in the middle –buy ‘em by the box) are essential and anything you can do to collect dust is well worth the effort. I use a random orbital sander hooked to a shop vac and this helps a lot.

 

As I get older, I find that there are things I have to give up and things where I have to find other materials/ways/devices to do things that used to be easy.

 

JohnT

 

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From:bolger@yahoogroups.com[mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com]
Sent:Saturday, August 22, 2015 2:22 PM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: sensitivity to epoxy (Was - Bolger Clam Skiff)

 

 

It may have been you I read about, but I'll bet it has afflicted quite a few. Glad you found a solution. I've been amazed at how well exterior latex holds up on boats.

On Aug 22, 2015 11:18 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

It may have been you I read about, but I'll bet it has afflicted quite a few. Glad you found a solution. I've been amazed at how well exterior latex holds up on boats.

On Aug 22, 2015 11:18 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

Strange you mentioned this. I thought I was the ONLY one. Years ago I had an old FG boat gifted to me. Sitting in her broke me out and it was painful. Latex paint two coats inside and enamel porch and deck outside cured my woes. Latex sticks well to old fiberglass hulls. Blessings. Chief

On Aug 22, 2015 12:58 PM, "'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

I've read of one epoxy allergy so bad the individual could not even get aboard a fiberglass boat without having a bad reaction. I decided early on to use no epoxy in my projects. I've had great success with PL Premium, not a single failure. There are many amazing glues out there now, including new Titebond formulations.

On Aug 22, 2015 10:53 AM, "Chief Redelkchiefredelk@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief

Sounds like you know how to safely milk that rattle snake. After having my lungs damaged I am limited in what I can smell. Once I loved training dogs and breaking horses but now the only way I can pet my dog is wearing gloves. I don't get near farm animals at all. Water and water based products is my safe zone. Enjoy your day and your life. Good health is a blessing. Chief