Re: [bolger] Re: Wandervogel/ State of Affairs at PB&F
Thanks for your interest, David.
The address at the bottom of each YAHOO BOLGER-GROUP message works well.
P.O.Box 1209, Gloucester, MA 01931-1209
or
66 Atlantic Street, Gloucester, MA 01930-1627
Do make your payment out to “Phil Bolger & Friends Inc.”
Thanks
or
66 Atlantic Street, Gloucester, MA 01930-1627
Do make your payment out to “Phil Bolger & Friends Inc.”
Thanks
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Sunday, February 21, 2016 2:25 PM
Subject:[bolger] Re: Wandervogel/ State of Affairs at
PB&F
what is the best address to send a plans order to? looking for-
#584 Micro-Trawler = $150.- thanks
what is the best address to send a plans order to? looking for- #584 Micro-Trawler = $150.- thanks
Suzanne,
Maiden aunts are the keepers of Southern manners and the values which go into being a lady. Their common admonishment to stressed out young women is, “Grace and charm, dear. Grace and charm.” Outside the south and in this day being a lady is becoming an anachronism, grace and charm is still a useful mantra at times of stress. And it might be a pretty good name for a boat!
JohnT
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10:14 AM
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re:
Wandervogel/ State of Affairs
at PB&F
Well, Rick, I did not quite know how to
respond to this.
But as Phil’s mother had counseled him - “accept it gracefully...”
There is this distinct discrepancy between ‘graceful’ and my overall
reflex-pattern – except that Phil warmed my heart when he remarked that he
indeed enjoyed being seen with me in public.
So I may have the occasional moment.
In terms of daily utility, what we both capitalized upon in our near daily
fast-paced walks – graceful or not - discussing projects, correspondence etc.
was that we also had the same gait, resulting in productive use of both brains
and legs.
He saw the probability of a shared future way earlier than I did, and had
indeed proposed our ‘joint venture’ based on his sober expectation that
conceptually we would likely work well together – quite a proposition between
31 years of age-difference, different language, and quite different life up to
that point.
This certainly reflected a fundamentally
optimistic outlook on life, even at then 66 years of age.
But he was right. His scheme to draw me in worked. And there were
indeed periods of ‘multiplication’ of our thinking beyond 1 + 1 chugging along
in parallel. It is exquisite to know it when that is happening. It
can add further momentum.
This does not mean that we did not have ‘cringe-worthy’ episodes. And I
won’t elaborate.
But as Phil the scholar on matters Greek and Nordic mythology would
contextualize the situation - “otherwise the gods would be jealous...”
Being pretty much a non-theist, he found that reference useful for verbal
esthetic’s sake to justify fits of conceptual myopia and periods of numb-skull
syndrome.
Actually, in his commentary on his Archive he readily points out the
not-so-impressive conceptual reasoning, as you already know from his books and
articles.
In-house I did find other ‘targets-of-opportunity’ to raise the question as to
why he thought that ‘x’ was a good plan... Four eyes see more than
two.
The fabulous thing was that typically he would not be obviously aggravated but
that he’d engage the matter, either pointing out something I had been oblivious
to or in fact reconsidering his own position. One early example was
Design #628 ‘Ply-12 1/2’ in which I questioned the bits and pieces of regular
wood in the context of a plywood/epoxy/glass hull-structure versus going
all-plywood in all details to really end up with stable structure with least
likelihood of ‘movement’ inside with the risk of forcing things apart on the
outside. A small matter.
A bigger one was the discussion of letting the rudder assume more or less of
the lateral-plane function, which in turn can have cascading
consequences. ‘Lee-helm’ or ‘Weather-helm’ has been much discussed in
general. However, between variable centers-of-effort of lateral-plane via
lee- and tandem-boards for instance – assuming the full rig –, being able to
balance the boat to match a given angle to the wind might either load up the
rudder further or leave it ‘neutral’, suggesting dialing in just enough ‘load’
to add to the lateral-plane while actually keeping the rudder straight for
least drag... Probably not any advanced thinking here except that
additional adjustability seemed worthy of design into later types, such as
making a centerboard trunk longer than the ‘big-enough’ board to allow shifting
its pivot-point as you learned what her actual ‘dynamic’ balance on various
points of sail really was. Nope, no ‘active-in-flight-pivot-movement’
yet, except that... come to think of it...
One of a range of things he absorbed matter-of-course was our approach to metal
hulls on liveaboard cruisers to allow a solidly thermally-separate geometry for
the living-quarters versus the metal hull-structure. Especially in steel
hulls, access to near every inch of the hull’s interior surface for
rust-checking from within the fully-insulated interior remains a major item of
sound steel-liveaboard design.
That concept alone reminds me of the urgent need to get the books out.
The one on metal-hulls would finally allow laying out the approach in some
detail across several such designs, incl. a ‘survival-machine’ for the
Northwest territories in
winter.
” So get on with it then, Susanne !!”
Yeah.
I won’t spend time fretting over which style of frame I should put Rick’s perspective in...
Susanne Altenburger,
PB&F
Sent:Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:06 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Wandervogel/ State of Affairs at PB&F
Hi Susan,
Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
Thanks,
Rick
Well, Rick, I did not quite know how to respond to this.
But as Phil’s mother had counseled him - “accept it gracefully...”
There is this distinct discrepancy between ‘graceful’ and my overall reflex-pattern – except that Phil warmed my heart when he remarked that he indeed enjoyed being seen with me in public.
So I may have the occasional moment.
In terms of daily utility, what we both capitalized upon in our near daily fast-paced walks – graceful or not - discussing projects, correspondence etc. was that we also had the same gait, resulting in productive use of both brains and legs.
He saw the probability of a shared future way earlier than I did, and had indeed proposed our ‘joint venture’ based on his sober expectation that conceptually we would likely work well together – quite a proposition between 31 years of age-difference, different language, and quite different life up to that point.
But as Phil’s mother had counseled him - “accept it gracefully...”
There is this distinct discrepancy between ‘graceful’ and my overall reflex-pattern – except that Phil warmed my heart when he remarked that he indeed enjoyed being seen with me in public.
So I may have the occasional moment.
In terms of daily utility, what we both capitalized upon in our near daily fast-paced walks – graceful or not - discussing projects, correspondence etc. was that we also had the same gait, resulting in productive use of both brains and legs.
He saw the probability of a shared future way earlier than I did, and had indeed proposed our ‘joint venture’ based on his sober expectation that conceptually we would likely work well together – quite a proposition between 31 years of age-difference, different language, and quite different life up to that point.
This certainly reflected a fundamentally optimistic outlook on life, even
at then 66 years of age.
But he was right. His scheme to draw me in worked. And there were indeed periods of ‘multiplication’ of our thinking beyond 1 + 1 chugging along in parallel. It is exquisite to know it when that is happening. It can add further momentum.
This does not mean that we did not have ‘cringe-worthy’ episodes. And I won’t elaborate.
But as Phil the scholar on matters Greek and Nordic mythology would contextualize the situation - “otherwise the gods would be jealous...”
Being pretty much a non-theist, he found that reference useful for verbal esthetic’s sake to justify fits of conceptual myopia and periods of numb-skull syndrome.
Actually, in his commentary on his Archive he readily points out the not-so-impressive conceptual reasoning, as you already know from his books and articles.
In-house I did find other ‘targets-of-opportunity’ to raise the question as to why he thought that ‘x’ was a good plan... Four eyes see more than two.
The fabulous thing was that typically he would not be obviously aggravated but that he’d engage the matter, either pointing out something I had been oblivious to or in fact reconsidering his own position. One early example was Design #628 ‘Ply-12 1/2’ in which I questioned the bits and pieces of regular wood in the context of a plywood/epoxy/glass hull-structure versus going all-plywood in all details to really end up with stable structure with least likelihood of ‘movement’ inside with the risk of forcing things apart on the outside. A small matter.
A bigger one was the discussion of letting the rudder assume more or less of the lateral-plane function, which in turn can have cascading consequences. ‘Lee-helm’ or ‘Weather-helm’ has been much discussed in general. However, between variable centers-of-effort of lateral-plane via lee- and tandem-boards for instance – assuming the full rig –, being able to balance the boat to match a given angle to the wind might either load up the rudder further or leave it ‘neutral’, suggesting dialing in just enough ‘load’ to add to the lateral-plane while actually keeping the rudder straight for least drag... Probably not any advanced thinking here except that additional adjustability seemed worthy of design into later types, such as making a centerboard trunk longer than the ‘big-enough’ board to allow shifting its pivot-point as you learned what her actual ‘dynamic’ balance on various points of sail really was. Nope, no ‘active-in-flight-pivot-movement’ yet, except that... come to think of it...
One of a range of things he absorbed matter-of-course was our approach to metal hulls on liveaboard cruisers to allow a solidly thermally-separate geometry for the living-quarters versus the metal hull-structure. Especially in steel hulls, access to near every inch of the hull’s interior surface for rust-checking from within the fully-insulated interior remains a major item of sound steel-liveaboard design.
That concept alone reminds me of the urgent need to get the books out.
The one on metal-hulls would finally allow laying out the approach in some detail across several such designs, incl. a ‘survival-machine’ for the Northwest territories in winter.
” So get on with it then, Susanne !!”
Yeah.
But he was right. His scheme to draw me in worked. And there were indeed periods of ‘multiplication’ of our thinking beyond 1 + 1 chugging along in parallel. It is exquisite to know it when that is happening. It can add further momentum.
This does not mean that we did not have ‘cringe-worthy’ episodes. And I won’t elaborate.
But as Phil the scholar on matters Greek and Nordic mythology would contextualize the situation - “otherwise the gods would be jealous...”
Being pretty much a non-theist, he found that reference useful for verbal esthetic’s sake to justify fits of conceptual myopia and periods of numb-skull syndrome.
Actually, in his commentary on his Archive he readily points out the not-so-impressive conceptual reasoning, as you already know from his books and articles.
In-house I did find other ‘targets-of-opportunity’ to raise the question as to why he thought that ‘x’ was a good plan... Four eyes see more than two.
The fabulous thing was that typically he would not be obviously aggravated but that he’d engage the matter, either pointing out something I had been oblivious to or in fact reconsidering his own position. One early example was Design #628 ‘Ply-12 1/2’ in which I questioned the bits and pieces of regular wood in the context of a plywood/epoxy/glass hull-structure versus going all-plywood in all details to really end up with stable structure with least likelihood of ‘movement’ inside with the risk of forcing things apart on the outside. A small matter.
A bigger one was the discussion of letting the rudder assume more or less of the lateral-plane function, which in turn can have cascading consequences. ‘Lee-helm’ or ‘Weather-helm’ has been much discussed in general. However, between variable centers-of-effort of lateral-plane via lee- and tandem-boards for instance – assuming the full rig –, being able to balance the boat to match a given angle to the wind might either load up the rudder further or leave it ‘neutral’, suggesting dialing in just enough ‘load’ to add to the lateral-plane while actually keeping the rudder straight for least drag... Probably not any advanced thinking here except that additional adjustability seemed worthy of design into later types, such as making a centerboard trunk longer than the ‘big-enough’ board to allow shifting its pivot-point as you learned what her actual ‘dynamic’ balance on various points of sail really was. Nope, no ‘active-in-flight-pivot-movement’ yet, except that... come to think of it...
One of a range of things he absorbed matter-of-course was our approach to metal hulls on liveaboard cruisers to allow a solidly thermally-separate geometry for the living-quarters versus the metal hull-structure. Especially in steel hulls, access to near every inch of the hull’s interior surface for rust-checking from within the fully-insulated interior remains a major item of sound steel-liveaboard design.
That concept alone reminds me of the urgent need to get the books out.
The one on metal-hulls would finally allow laying out the approach in some detail across several such designs, incl. a ‘survival-machine’ for the Northwest territories in winter.
” So get on with it then, Susanne !!”
Yeah.
I won’t spend time fretting over which style of frame I should put Rick’s
perspective in...
Susanne Altenburger,
PB&F
Sent:Tuesday, January 12, 2016 3:06 PM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Wandervogel/ State of Affairs at
PB&F
Hi Susan,
Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a
design-office."
I'm designer in a
parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or
marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written
books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my
students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes
often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open
Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my
own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
I come by my
admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then
extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been
displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author
built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who
graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to
Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3,
is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my
dad's library.
I want you to know
that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the
example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that
feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and
intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design
works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's
willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that
baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working
long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399
instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
Phil Bolger and
Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and
continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the
MAIB pages.
Thanks,
Rick
With those 3 weeks of ‘dead air’ I was not implying that I was off taking
mid-Winter water-skiing-lessons from the Santa-School of advanced uses of red
suits and phony silver beards.
I just never held with that ‘beard-thing’ on me anyway... No ice in the creek yet though. So, with the right gear we might just...
Actually I remain ‘wall-to-wall’ addressing an over-load agenda that only ever so gradually lightens a bit.
But another MAIB-article just finished with three CHEBACCO-20 power-cruiser concepts, some more (aggravating) Fisheries politics stuff done out-of-town, work on SACPAS-3/GADABOUT pieces inside, car-repair during this mild spell, some house-matters to address outside, and hopefully in a matter of days finally getting the shop organized to a much more plausible lay-out...
So, WANDERVOGEL continues to smile at me from the cork-boards.
But no time yet to touch her.
In the meantime I am debating whether I’d want the Cat-Yawl or the Sloop...
As I’ve proposed on the MERLIN-idea a few back, perhaps finding a few co-conspirators to pool resources will build a design-budget that would allow moving her up the list of priorities.
Keep poking at me !
I just never held with that ‘beard-thing’ on me anyway... No ice in the creek yet though. So, with the right gear we might just...
Actually I remain ‘wall-to-wall’ addressing an over-load agenda that only ever so gradually lightens a bit.
But another MAIB-article just finished with three CHEBACCO-20 power-cruiser concepts, some more (aggravating) Fisheries politics stuff done out-of-town, work on SACPAS-3/GADABOUT pieces inside, car-repair during this mild spell, some house-matters to address outside, and hopefully in a matter of days finally getting the shop organized to a much more plausible lay-out...
So, WANDERVOGEL continues to smile at me from the cork-boards.
But no time yet to touch her.
In the meantime I am debating whether I’d want the Cat-Yawl or the Sloop...
As I’ve proposed on the MERLIN-idea a few back, perhaps finding a few co-conspirators to pool resources will build a design-budget that would allow moving her up the list of priorities.
Keep poking at me !
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:39 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: Wandervogel/ State of Affairs at
PB&F
thank you Susanne for the update. Sincerely happy things are going well at
PB&F. I am excited to hear that Wandervogel may become a reality. What is
the next step?
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> On ene 18, 2016, at 6:13 pm,a.c.l.yen@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> If it helps I would be happy to take orders for Chebacco plans via the Chebacco.com website if you are agreeable. While Instantboats.com offers plans for the original #540 for $65 on line, the other variants (Cruser, RD, 25' etc.) are only available from you at the moment. I would like to see more Chebacco boats out there, so anything I can do to promote plan sales?
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> Andrew
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 5:31 pm, Bill Howardbillh39@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Bravo, Rick, whoever you are. Wish I had said that.
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> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:11 PM, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-offic e, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On ene 31, 2016, at 9:26 pm, Stefan Topolskipublic@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> On ene 31, 2016, at 9:24 pm, Stefan Topolskipublic@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 3:06 pm,kk7b@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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>
> Hello All,
> All extant plans remain available, typically at unchanged prices, always to build one boat:
> - #496 Birdwatcher 2 with both versions on 11 sheets = $200.-
> - #584 Micro-Trawler = $150.-
> - #581 Bee = $35.-
>
>
> In MAIB (Messing About In Boats) I have continued Phil’s, then our, and now my regular column almost perfectly uninterrupted since his death, with the series now at 496 consecutive discussions headed into print.
> This continues our range of topics across design-concepts, full designs, home-port fisheries-politics, the SACPAS-3/GADABOUT 39-foot boat-construction project, Gloucester Working Waterfront policies etc, i.e. everything related to our work, except for the ‘big’ Navy stuff published so far elsewhere.
> Those dozens of MAIB articles since May 24 2009 offer a sense what has been happening here.
> As the various series of studies on CHAMPLAIN- and WINDERMERE-derivatives illustrate, relative creativity has returned reasonably reliably, with my cautious approach still under-ambitious.
> So this month’s MAIB offers a derivative of MICRO, with next month another such to another well-known design.
> I am now at about 70 such design-columns after Phil, plus what Bob Hocks reprinted when I was not well, plus other folks’ discussions of their Bolger boats.
> Still I have not yet gotten to Phil’s productive single-minded rhythm, not yet possible in light of these other distractions – in addition to tending to house, cars, life etc.
> Things are still not where they need to be in terms of books for instance, but ordered plans get printed and sent, and most mail answered within reasonable time-frame.
>
> But serious things have gotten done, with, of course, way more left to be done...
> As the extensively/endlessly (?) documented #681 SACPAS-3/GADABOUT project has proven as of last late-June through late-July, post-Phil/Phil-independent design- and (this once !) construction-work has proven to be successful indeed – a rather affirming, indeed therapeutic experience with over 2/3s of the labor in that boat my own brain-first-then-physical-hands-on work.
> As you know, this is a design-office.
> So, finally and successfully completing this 8400lbs (wet) go-fast 39-footer construction-project took extraordinary measures and energies.
> Now she is in the middle of being adapted for her ‘Second Life’ as a comfortable displacement-speed cruiser...
>
>
> On WANDERVOGEL, as it has often been the case when Phil was doing this work, then us together, it would help if there was funding on the table to at least help subsidize me doing this design to full buildable plans-format.
> As Phil discussed on various occasions, in the past like-minded folks have joined to pool limited resources to at least help with part of the cost of doing this.
> Quite a few designs done just ‘on speculation’ have never produced ‘black numbers’.
> WANDERVOGEL being my concept-design, she would be my choice for my own coastal-cruiser, with even a perfect space available here to put her together - much easier to contemplate after SACPAS-3.
> And I have the trailer as well. But not quite the time to set aside for the design, never mind building her.
> Before any more boats get built, the books have to be coming out of the printing-press !
>
>
> And as to Navy and Marine Corps things, here a minor contribution in Comments-&-Discussion column of the December PROCEEDINGS of the US Naval Institute:http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2015-12/comment-discussion%c2%a0
> No telling yet where any of this will go after a massive amount of energy invested...
> LCU-F remains unbeaten conceptually.
> But ‘reactionaries’ and ‘muggles’ with their own under-performing preferences have been ‘messing about’ in ways quite astonishing, since in or the other way in public view ?!
>
> Finally if it gives anybody any comfort, no vacations here, no cruises, no wasting of time – not much at least... – while constantly sounding the increasing levels of health and stamina.
>
> Onwards
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
> From: mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:10 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
>
>
>
>
> My sentiments exactly. I was interested in Birdwatcher 2, Microtrawler and Bee
> Cheers
> Ed
>
>
>
> From: "flannelmanent@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2016, 15:53
> Subject: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
>
>
> thank you for the reply. So, Wandervogel plans are not completed as I suspected. I'm sorry to hear that. One of the reasons I lost interest was because while I loved the boats and Phil's problem solving, there were some fundamental problems that were not being resolved concerning cataloging and distributing said plans. When I left Phil had passed and Susanne was focusing on the military contracts I believe. There was almost no accessibility to her at this time. It was "Fax your communication in and hope somebody gets back to you".
> These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
> Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
>
>
>
>
>
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 5:11 pm, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my adm iration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with indiv idual human frailties--that's how brilliant design wo rks. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> thank you Susanne for the update. Sincerely happy things are going well at PB&F. I am excited to hear that Wandervogel may become a reality. What is the next step?
>
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>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
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>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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> Bravo, Rick, whoever you are. Wish I had said that.
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:11 PM, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-offic e, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> Susanne,
>
> If it helps I would be happy to take orders for Chebacco plans via the Chebacco.com website if you are agreeable. While Instantboats.com offers plans for the original #540 for $65 on line, the other variants (Cruser, RD, 25' etc.) are only available from you at the moment. I would like to see more Chebacco boats out there, so anything I can do to promote plan sales?
>
> Andrew
>andrew@...
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> On ene 9, 2016, at 8:39 pm,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello All,
> All extant plans remain available, typically at unchanged prices, always to build one boat:
> - #496 Birdwatcher 2 with both versions on 11 sheets = $200.-
> - #584 Micro-Trawler = $150.-
> - #581 Bee = $35.-
>
>
> In MAIB (Messing About In Boats) I have continued Phil’s, then our, and now my regular column almost perfectly uninterrupted since his death, with the series now at 496 consecutive discussions headed into print.
> This continues our range of topics across design-concepts, full designs, home-port fisheries-politics, the SACPAS-3/GADABOUT 39-foot boat-construction project, Gloucester Working Waterfront policies etc, i.e. everything related to our work, except for the ‘big’ Navy stuff published so far elsewhere.
> Those dozens of MAIB articles since May 24 2009 offer a sense what has been happening here.
> As the various series of studies on CHAMPLAIN- and WINDERMERE-derivatives illustrate, relative creativity has returned reasonably reliably, with my cautious approach still under-ambitious.
> So this month’s MAIB offers a derivative of MICRO, with next month another such to another well-known design.
> I am now at about 70 such design-columns after Phil, plus what Bob Hocks reprinted when I was not well, plus other folks’ discussions of their Bolger boats.
> Still I have not yet gotten to Phil’s productive single-minded rhythm, not yet possible in light of these other distractions – in addition to tending to house, cars, life etc.
> Things are still not where they need to be in terms of books for instance, but ordered plans get printed and sent, and most mail answered within reasonable time-frame.
>
> But serious things have gotten done, with, of course, way more left to be done...
> As the extensively/endlessly (?) documented #681 SACPAS-3/GADABOUT project has proven as of last late-June through late-July, post-Phil/Phil-independent design- and (this once !) construction-work has proven to be successful indeed – a rather affirming, indeed therapeutic experience with over 2/3s of the labor in that boat my own brain-first-then-physical-hands-on work.
> As you know, this is a design-office.
> So, finally and successfully completing this 8400lbs (wet) go-fast 39-footer construction-project took extraordinary measures and energies.
> Now she is in the middle of being adapted for her ‘Second Life’ as a comfortable displacement-speed cruiser...
>
>
> On WANDERVOGEL, as it has often been the case when Phil was doing this work, then us together, it would help if there was funding on the table to at least help subsidize me doing this design to full buildable plans-format.
> As Phil discussed on various occasions, in the past like-minded folks have joined to pool limited resources to at least help with part of the cost of doing this.
> Quite a few designs done just ‘on speculation’ have never produced ‘black numbers’.
> WANDERVOGEL being my concept-design, she would be my choice for my own coastal-cruiser, with even a perfect space available here to put her together - much easier to contemplate after SACPAS-3.
> And I have the trailer as well. But not quite the time to set aside for the design, never mind building her.
> Before any more boats get built, the books have to be coming out of the printing-press !
>
>
> And as to Navy and Marine Corps things, here a minor contribution in Comments-&-Discussion column of the December PROCEEDINGS of the US Naval Institute:http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2015-12/comment-discussion%c2%a0
> No telling yet where any of this will go after a massive amount of energy invested...
> LCU-F remains unbeaten conceptually.
> But ‘reactionaries’ and ‘muggles’ with their own under-performing preferences have been ‘messing about’ in ways quite astonishing, since in or the other way in public view ?!
>
> Finally if it gives anybody any comfort, no vacations here, no cruises, no wasting of time – not much at least... – while constantly sounding the increasing levels of health and stamina.
>
> Onwards
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
> From: mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:10 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
>
>
>
>
> My sentiments exactly. I was interested in Birdwatcher 2, Microtrawler and Bee
> Cheers
> Ed
>
>
>
> From: "flannelmanent@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2016, 15:53
> Subject: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
>
>
> thank you for the reply. So, Wandervogel plans are not completed as I suspected. I'm sorry to hear that. One of the reasons I lost interest was because while I loved the boats and Phil's problem solving, there were some fundamental problems that were not being resolved concerning cataloging and distributing said plans. When I left Phil had passed and Susanne was focusing on the military contracts I believe. There was almost no accessibility to her at this time. It was "Fax your communication in and hope somebody gets back to you".
> These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
> Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
>
>
>
>
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>
> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my adm iration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with indiv idual human frailties--that's how brilliant design wo rks. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 1:39 am,flannelmanent@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> thank you Susanne for the update. Sincerely happy things are going well at PB&F. I am excited to hear that Wandervogel may become a reality. What is the next step?
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 5:31 pm, Bill Howardbillh39@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Bravo, Rick, whoever you are. Wish I had said that.
>
>
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:11 PM, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-offic e, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 1:39 am,flannelmanent@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> thank you Susanne for the update. Sincerely happy things are going well at PB&F. I am excited to hear that Wandervogel may become a reality. What is the next step?
>
>
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 5:11 pm, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my adm iration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with indiv idual human frailties--that's how brilliant design wo rks. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> On ene 12, 2016, at 3:06 pm,kk7b@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rick
>
>
>
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> On ene 18, 2016, at 6:13 pm,a.c.l.yen@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Susanne,
>
> If it helps I would be happy to take orders for Chebacco plans via the Chebacco.com website if you are agreeable. While Instantboats.com offers plans for the original #540 for $65 on line, the other variants (Cruser, RD, 25' etc.) are only available from you at the moment. I would like to see more Chebacco boats out there, so anything I can do to promote plan sales?
>
> Andrew
>andrew@...
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On ene 9, 2016, at 8:39 pm,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
> All extant plans remain available, typically at unchanged prices, always to build one boat:
> - #496 Birdwatcher 2 with both versions on 11 sheets = $200.-
> - #584 Micro-Trawler = $150.-
> - #581 Bee = $35.-
>
>
> In MAIB (Messing About In Boats) I have continued Phil’s, then our, and now my regular column almost perfectly uninterrupted since his death, with the series now at 496 consecutive discussions headed into print.
> This continues our range of topics across design-concepts, full designs, home-port fisheries-politics, the SACPAS-3/GADABOUT 39-foot boat-construction project, Gloucester Working Waterfront policies etc, i.e. everything related to our work, except for the ‘big’ Navy stuff published so far elsewhere.
> Those dozens of MAIB articles since May 24 2009 offer a sense what has been happening here.
> As the various series of studies on CHAMPLAIN- and WINDERMERE-derivatives illustrate, relative creativity has returned reasonably reliably, with my cautious approach still under-ambitious.
> So this month’s MAIB offers a derivative of MICRO, with next month another such to another well-known design.
> I am now at about 70 such design-columns after Phil, plus what Bob Hocks reprinted when I was not well, plus other folks’ discussions of their Bolger boats.
> Still I have not yet gotten to Phil’s productive single-minded rhythm, not yet possible in light of these other distractions – in addition to tending to house, cars, life etc.
> Things are still not where they need to be in terms of books for instance, but ordered plans get printed and sent, and most mail answered within reasonable time-frame.
>
> But serious things have gotten done, with, of course, way more left to be done...
> As the extensively/endlessly (?) documented #681 SACPAS-3/GADABOUT project has proven as of last late-June through late-July, post-Phil/Phil-independent design- and (this once !) construction-work has proven to be successful indeed – a rather affirming, indeed therapeutic experience with over 2/3s of the labor in that boat my own brain-first-then-physical-hands-on work.
> As you know, this is a design-office.
> So, finally and successfully completing this 8400lbs (wet) go-fast 39-footer construction-project took extraordinary measures and energies.
> Now she is in the middle of being adapted for her ‘Second Life’ as a comfortable displacement-speed cruiser...
>
>
> On WANDERVOGEL, as it has often been the case when Phil was doing this work, then us together, it would help if there was funding on the table to at least help subsidize me doing this design to full buildable plans-format.
> As Phil discussed on various occasions, in the past like-minded folks have joined to pool limited resources to at least help with part of the cost of doing this.
> Quite a few designs done just ‘on speculation’ have never produced ‘black numbers’.
> WANDERVOGEL being my concept-design, she would be my choice for my own coastal-cruiser, with even a perfect space available here to put her together - much easier to contemplate after SACPAS-3.
> And I have the trailer as well. But not quite the time to set aside for the design, never mind building her.
> Before any more boats get built, the books have to be coming out of the printing-press !
>
>
> And as to Navy and Marine Corps things, here a minor contribution in Comments-&-Discussion column of the December PROCEEDINGS of the US Naval Institute:http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2015-12/comment-discussion%c2%a0
> No telling yet where any of this will go after a massive amount of energy invested...
> LCU-F remains unbeaten conceptually.
> But ‘reactionaries’ and ‘muggles’ with their own under-performing preferences have been ‘messing about’ in ways quite astonishing, since in or the other way in public view ?!
>
> Finally if it gives anybody any comfort, no vacations here, no cruises, no wasting of time – not much at least... – while constantly sounding the increasing levels of health and stamina.
>
> Onwards
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
> From: mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2016 12:10 AM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
>
>
>
>
> My sentiments exactly. I was interested in Birdwatcher 2, Microtrawler and Bee
> Cheers
> Ed
>
>
>
> From: "flannelmanent@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 1 January 2016, 15:53
> Subject: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
>
>
> thank you for the reply. So, Wandervogel plans are not completed as I suspected. I'm sorry to hear that. One of the reasons I lost interest was because while I loved the boats and Phil's problem solving, there were some fundamental problems that were not being resolved concerning cataloging and distributing said plans. When I left Phil had passed and Susanne was focusing on the military contracts I believe. There was almost no accessibility to her at this time. It was "Fax your communication in and hope somebody gets back to you".
> These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
> Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
>
>
>
>
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On ene 12, 2016, at 3:06 pm,kk7b@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
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On ene 12, 2016, at 5:11 pm, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
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> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my adm iration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with indiv idual human frailties--that's how brilliant design wo rks. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
> Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
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On ene 12, 2016, at 5:31 pm, Bill Howardbillh39@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Bravo, Rick, whoever you are. Wish I had said that.
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> On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:11 PM, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi Susan,
> Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
>
> I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
>
> I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
>
> I want you to know that you are not just a design-offic e, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
>
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On ene 18, 2016, at 6:13 pm,a.c.l.yen@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Susanne,
>
> If it helps I would be happy to take orders for Chebacco plans via the Chebacco.com website if you are agreeable. While Instantboats.com offers plans for the original #540 for $65 on line, the other variants (Cruser, RD, 25' etc.) are only available from you at the moment. I would like to see more Chebacco boats out there, so anything I can do to promote plan sales?
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Susanne,
If it helps I would be happy to take orders for Chebacco plans via the Chebacco.com website if you are agreeable. While Instantboats.com offers plans for the original #540 for $65 on line, the other variants (Cruser, RD, 25' etc.) are only available from you at the moment. I would like to see more Chebacco boats out there, so anything I can do to promote plan sales?
Andrew
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Bravo, Rick, whoever you are. Wish I had said that.
On Jan 12, 2016, at 5:11 PM, jeff bybeebyb6161@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef BybeeHi Susan,Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.Thanks,Rick
what books are going to be comming out? thankyou and best wishes to you ms Altenberger we root for you just as we miss Mr Bolger. Jef Bybee
On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 1:07 PM, "kk7b@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Hi Susan,
Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
Thanks,
Rick
Hi Susan,
Quick note regarding "As you know, this is a design-office."
I'm designer in a parallel universe, analog/Radio Frequency electronics, often for portable and/or marine environments. I also teach design at a university, and have written books on the subject. Phil Bolger is the example I always use with my students for how to be a designer. My weekly study guides for classes often start with a quote from one of the books--I can see "Boats with an Open Mind," "100 Small Boat Rigs," and "30-odd Boats" from where I'm sitting in my own Analog/RF design-office-lab.
I come by my admiration somewhat honestly. I built a Bolger Nymph decades ago, and then extensively modified it into a minuscule passage-making sail craft that has been displayed at the Port Townsend Wooden Boat Show. A frequent co-author built and sails a Bolger Birdwatcher. I have several young friends who graduated from wooden boat schools and sail everything from schooners to Washington State Ferries, and my son, who helped with the Nymph when he was 3, is now an oceanographer. I inherited several of the Bolger books from my dad's library.
I want you to know that you are not just a design-office, you are The Archetype Design-Office, the example I hold up for a next generation of designers. All the stuff that feels messy and cluttered and busy and sometimes off-grid and often unfunded and intertwined with individual human frailties--that's how brilliant design works. ...Some occasionally blissful intersection of an artist's willingness to confront our senses and preconceptions, with technical depth that baffles engineering graduate students...combined with a penchant for working long hours on something that might turn out to be almost-good design #399 instead of incredible #400...and then write honestly about it.
Phil Bolger and Friends influence extends well beyond your extensive catalog of plans and continuous contributions to the literature: books, SBJ cartoons, and all the MAIB pages.
Thanks,
Rick
thank you Susanne for the update. Sincerely happy things are going well at PB&F. I am excited to hear that Wandervogel may become a reality. What is the next step?
Hello All,
All extant plans remain available, typically at
unchanged prices, always to build one boat:
- #496 Birdwatcher 2 with both versions on 11 sheets = $200.-
- #584 Micro-Trawler = $150.-
- #581 Bee = $35.-
In MAIB (Messing About In Boats) I have continued Phil’s, then our, and now my regular column almost perfectly uninterrupted since his death, with the series now at 496 consecutive discussions headed into print.
This continues our range of topics across design-concepts, full designs, home-port fisheries-politics, the SACPAS-3/GADABOUT 39-foot boat-construction project, Gloucester Working Waterfront policies etc, i.e. everything related to our work, except for the ‘big’ Navy stuff published so far elsewhere.
Those dozens of MAIB articles since May 24 2009 offer a sense what has been happening here.
As the various series of studies on CHAMPLAIN- and WINDERMERE-derivatives illustrate, relative creativity has returned reasonably reliably, with my cautious approach still under-ambitious.
So this month’s MAIB offers a derivative of MICRO, with next month another such to another well-known design.
I am now at about 70 such design-columns after Phil, plus what Bob Hocks reprinted when I was not well, plus other folks’ discussions of their Bolger boats.
Still I have not yet gotten to Phil’s productive single-minded rhythm, not yet possible in light of these other distractions – in addition to tending to house, cars, life etc.
Things
are still not where they need to be in terms of books for instance, but ordered
plans get printed and sent, and most mail answered within reasonable
time-frame.- #584 Micro-Trawler = $150.-
- #581 Bee = $35.-
In MAIB (Messing About In Boats) I have continued Phil’s, then our, and now my regular column almost perfectly uninterrupted since his death, with the series now at 496 consecutive discussions headed into print.
This continues our range of topics across design-concepts, full designs, home-port fisheries-politics, the SACPAS-3/GADABOUT 39-foot boat-construction project, Gloucester Working Waterfront policies etc, i.e. everything related to our work, except for the ‘big’ Navy stuff published so far elsewhere.
Those dozens of MAIB articles since May 24 2009 offer a sense what has been happening here.
As the various series of studies on CHAMPLAIN- and WINDERMERE-derivatives illustrate, relative creativity has returned reasonably reliably, with my cautious approach still under-ambitious.
So this month’s MAIB offers a derivative of MICRO, with next month another such to another well-known design.
I am now at about 70 such design-columns after Phil, plus what Bob Hocks reprinted when I was not well, plus other folks’ discussions of their Bolger boats.
Still I have not yet gotten to Phil’s productive single-minded rhythm, not yet possible in light of these other distractions – in addition to tending to house, cars, life etc.
But serious things have gotten done, with, of course, way more left to be done...
As the extensively/endlessly (?) documented #681 SACPAS-3/GADABOUT project has proven as of last late-June through late-July, post-Phil/Phil-independent design- and (this once !) construction-work has proven to be successful indeed – a rather affirming, indeed therapeutic experience with over 2/3s of the labor in that boat my own brain-first-then-physical-hands-on work.
As you know, this is a design-office.
So, finally and successfully completing this 8400lbs (wet) go-fast 39-footer construction-project took extraordinary measures and energies.
Now she is in the middle of being adapted for her ‘Second Life’ as a comfortable displacement-speed cruiser...
On WANDERVOGEL, as it has often been the case when Phil was doing this work, then us together, it would help if there was funding on the table to at least help subsidize me doing this design to full buildable plans-format.
As Phil discussed on various occasions, in the past like-minded folks have joined to pool limited resources to at least help with part of the cost of doing this.
Quite a few designs done just ‘on speculation’ have never produced ‘black numbers’.
WANDERVOGEL being my concept-design, she would be my choice for my own coastal-cruiser, with even a perfect space available here to put her together - much easier to contemplate after SACPAS-3.
And I have the trailer as well. But not quite the time to set aside for the design, never mind building her.
Before any more boats get built, the books have to be coming out of the
printing-press !
And as to Navy and Marine Corps things, here a minor contribution in Comments-&-Discussion column of the December PROCEEDINGS of the US Naval Institute:http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2015-12/comment-discussion
No tellingyetwhere any of this will go after a massive amount of energy invested...
LCU-F remains unbeaten conceptually.
But ‘reactionaries’ and ‘muggles’ with their own under-performing preferences have been ‘messing about’ in ways quite astonishing, since in or the other way in public view ?!
And as to Navy and Marine Corps things, here a minor contribution in Comments-&-Discussion column of the December PROCEEDINGS of the US Naval Institute:http://www.usni.org/magazines/proceedings/2015-12/comment-discussion
No tellingyetwhere any of this will go after a massive amount of energy invested...
LCU-F remains unbeaten conceptually.
But ‘reactionaries’ and ‘muggles’ with their own under-performing preferences have been ‘messing about’ in ways quite astonishing, since in or the other way in public view ?!
Finally if it gives anybody any comfort, no vacations here, no cruises, no wasting of time – not much at least... – while constantly sounding the increasing levels of health and stamina.
Onwards
Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
Sent:Friday, January 01, 2016 12:10 AM
Subject:Re: [bolger] Re: wandervogel
My sentiments exactly. I
was interested in Birdwatcher 2, Microtrawler and Bee
Cheers
Ed
From:"flannelmanent@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 1 January 2016, 15:53
Subject:[bolger] Re: wandervogel
thank you for the reply. So,
Wandervogel plans are not completed as I suspected. I'm sorry to hear that. One
of the reasons I lost interest was because while I loved the boats and Phil's
problem solving, there were some fundamental problems that were not being
resolved concerning cataloging and distributing said plans. When I left Phil had
passed and Susanne was focusing on the military contracts I believe. There was
almost no accessibility to her at this time. It was "Fax your communication in
and hope somebody gets back to you".
These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
My sentiments exactly. I was interested in Birdwatcher 2, Microtrawler and Bee
Cheers
Ed
From:"flannelmanent@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
Sent:Friday, 1 January 2016, 15:53
Subject:[bolger] Re: wandervogel
thank you for the reply. So, Wandervogel plans are not completed as I suspected. I'm sorry to hear that. One of the reasons I lost interest was because while I loved the boats and Phil's problem solving, there were some fundamental problems that were not being resolved concerning cataloging and distributing said plans. When I left Phil had passed and Susanne was focusing on the military contracts I believe. There was almost no accessibility to her at this time. It was "Fax your communication in and hope somebody gets back to you".
These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
thank you for the reply. So, Wandervogel plans are not completed as I suspected. I'm sorry to hear that. One of the reasons I lost interest was because while I loved the boats and Phil's problem solving, there were some fundamental problems that were not being resolved concerning cataloging and distributing said plans. When I left Phil had passed and Susanne was focusing on the military contracts I believe. There was almost no accessibility to her at this time. It was "Fax your communication in and hope somebody gets back to you".
These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
These pages were full of folk complaining of the lack of responses. I understand and was sympathetic towards Susanne's dilemma and the reasons behind them but that did not change the fact that i did not want to do business with PB&F's. If this is still basically the same situation i will just move on but if there has been some attention to these issues and there is a possibility of getting actual results I would consider following up.
Can anybody let me know what the ballpark costs of a design would be? Please advise.
> 23/9/2015 -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/conversations/messages/70852
The 23’ WANDERVOGEL concept discussed in MAIB a few years back would have a companionway door aft and an opening centerline windshield forward, allowing keeping the overhead hatches closed for shading or rain.
Unfortunately while I have the shop, trailer, and to build her there still is are no plans of her.
Shading and humidity ?
Shading and humidity ?
... Of course, this was dry desert heat.
Actually quite tolerable as long as you steadily drank water.
Judge Jochems had a tea-making routine with hot water, teabags, a favorite mug and all, several times every day – come desert winds or blast-furnace feel...
Actually quite tolerable as long as you steadily drank water.
Judge Jochems had a tea-making routine with hot water, teabags, a favorite mug and all, several times every day – come desert winds or blast-furnace feel...
....
Fact Buster
Q: Can a hot drink help keep you cool in hot weather?
A: Yes, under certain conditions, a hot drink could have a cooling effect. But maintaining healthy fluid levels in hot weather may be easier with cooler drinks.
...It's 40 degrees Celcius and oppressively humid. You pull yourself up from your sweat-drenched chair and head to the kitchen … to brew yourself a nice steaming hot mug of tea.
Sounds a bit wrong doesn't it? Most of us would be more likely to reach into the fridge for a cold drink. But plenty of people in India apparently sip hot tea to stay cool in the warmer months. Are they crazy, or can a hot drink actually cool you down?
In some circumstances it might, scientists say, because it could trigger a level of sweating that may more than compensate for the added heat of the drink....
---In bolger@yahoogroups.com, <c.ruzer@...> wrote :
> has been a change in the status and/or availability
Hi, it's likely you're familiar with the old, and even older discussions of Wandervogel here. Wandervogel has again been raised a few times in recent years. You may have missed that. I believe the status is unchanged.
Perhaps some interest now could change that?
From the archive -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/search/messages?query=wandervogel
> has been a change in the status and/or availability
Hi, it's likely you're familiar with the old, and even older discussions of Wandervogel here. Wandervogel has again been raised a few times in recent years. You may have missed that. I believe the status is unchanged.
Perhaps some interest now could change that?
From the archive -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/search/messages?query=wandervogel
1/1/2014 -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/conversations/messages/70034
There’s the option of WANDERVOGEL - only a concept so far, but you never know... Happy New Year.
23/9/2015 -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/conversations/messages/70852
The 23’ WANDERVOGEL concept discussed in MAIB a few years back would have a companionway door aft and an opening centerline windshield forward, allowing keeping the overhead hatches closed for shading or rain.
Unfortunately while I have the shop, trailer, and to build her there still is are no plans of her.
Shading and humidity ?
Shading and humidity ?
1/8/2004 -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Bolger3/photos/albums/1748120119
28/2/2006 -https://www.flickr.com/photos/hallman/105329537/in/photostream/
1/8/2004 -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/conversations/topics/37977
The picture with sails up has the lower panel of the main cut off, to
represent the first reef, which is 20% of the mains?l area. The
figure at the helm in the model photos is a ?Skipper? doll, who would
be 6?-2? tall at 1.5? = 1? scale.
16/11/2001 -https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/conversations/topics/15475
Does anyone know if Wandervogel (#101 in 103 Sailing Rigs) ever became a real boat, or even a
complete plan? Thought I'd check with the Bolger community before going to
the source.
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/search/messages?query=wandervogel
I am a member that has been inactive for the last couple of years. To my best recollection the plans for Wandervogel were not completed or available. Since I have not been keeping track, i was wondering if anybody knows whether or not there has been a change in the status and/or availability. Thank you.