Re: [bolger] Building a Micro
Oops, I just realized I used my shorthand for the Micro Trawler, having forgotten about the Micro. Anybody wanting to weigh in now will be appreciated. Thanks.
On Sep 29, 2016 5:19 PM, "'John Kohnen'jhkohnen@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Wasn't Micro designed for sticks 'n' nails construction (with glue), not
stitch 'n' goo? I've only got the plans for Micro's little sister,
Oldshoe, here. Those plans show chines and stringers. Peter Lenihan built
his Micro with chines:
http://www.duckworksmagazine. com/00/DM1999/articles/micro2/
With sticks 'n' nails construction you don't have to use epoxy for the
glue, and if you do use epoxy you won't need to use as much.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:19:44 -0700, Susanne wrote:
> ...
> On MICRO, clamp and chine-log would likely need laminating out of at
> least two pieces to not see the emerging hull be distorted by the
> stiffness of the chine-logs or clamps.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
I can usually judge a fellow by what he laughs at. (Wilson Mizner)
It's been years since I looked at the plans, but the Common Sense site says S&G.
On Sep 29, 2016 5:19 PM, "'John Kohnen'jhkohnen@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Wasn't Micro designed for sticks 'n' nails construction (with glue), not
stitch 'n' goo? I've only got the plans for Micro's little sister,
Oldshoe, here. Those plans show chines and stringers. Peter Lenihan built
his Micro with chines:
http://www.duckworksmagazine. com/00/DM1999/articles/micro2/
With sticks 'n' nails construction you don't have to use epoxy for the
glue, and if you do use epoxy you won't need to use as much.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:19:44 -0700, Susanne wrote:
> ...
> On MICRO, clamp and chine-log would likely need laminating out of at
> least two pieces to not see the emerging hull be distorted by the
> stiffness of the chine-logs or clamps.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
I can usually judge a fellow by what he laughs at. (Wilson Mizner)
stitch 'n' goo? I've only got the plans for Micro's little sister,
Oldshoe, here. Those plans show chines and stringers. Peter Lenihan built
his Micro with chines:
http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/00/DM1999/articles/micro2/
With sticks 'n' nails construction you don't have to use epoxy for the
glue, and if you do use epoxy you won't need to use as much.
On Thu, 29 Sep 2016 12:19:44 -0700, Susanne wrote:
> ...
> On MICRO, clamp and chine-log would likely need laminating out of at
> least two pieces to not see the emerging hull be distorted by the
> stiffness of the chine-logs or clamps.
> ...
--
John (jkohnen@...)
I can usually judge a fellow by what he laughs at. (Wilson Mizner)
On 9/29/16, Leigh RossLeighpilot@...[bolger]
<bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> Duckworks has a new epoxy that is supposed to be very kind to those with
> allergies. Check with Chuck Leinweber regarding your health issues and the
> new epoxy.
>
>http://www.duckworksbbs.com/supplies/epoxy/dwx/index.htm
>
>
>
> Leigh Ross
>
> 484-464-1575 (C)
> www.unicornkayaks.com
>
>
>
>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:45, 'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger]
>> <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the speedy replies. My wife is very partial to the design,
>> and one recognizes the importance of that in boating. I've built one
>> of my own designs, a 16x6 flat-bottom barge houseboat with 1x2 chine
>> framing (PL Premium, no epoxy or glass cloth) and a house that
>> stiffened the structure. Beat the heck out of it on the Pamlico River
>> in NC, trailered it cross-county, nary a joint/wood failure. I'm not
>> sure I understand how framing would make the boat stiffer than s&g
>> since the boat appears to end up as a stressed-skin, monocoque
>> structure. But I value input on this forum with so much experience, so
>> please add more input. Thanks, Bill
>>
>> On 9/29/16,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I designed 39’1” x 7’5” #681 SACPAS/GADABOUT with lots of framing,
>> > heavy
>> > in/on-boat-laminated chine-logs and often 2.5” wide flanges per full
>> > and
>> > partial bulkhead, plus a meaty ‘clamp’.
>> >
>> > On MICRO, clamp and chine-log would likely need laminating out of at
>> > least
>> > two pieces to not see the emerging hull be distorted by the stiffness of
>> > the
>> > chine-logs or clamps.
>> >
>> > On #681 I arrived a 3”x 3” clamps and 3” x 2.25” chine-logs via a very
>> > compliant 3x3 piece matrix assembled via 8’0 lengths by 1/3-1/2
>> > overlapping
>> > 8’-length to not distort her.
>> > But all of #681 was done in full-epoxy mode...
>> >
>> > ’Old-fashioned’ framing ought to work on MICRO, short of insisting on
>> > massive steamed timbers to strain her.
>> >
>> > All that of course familiar to those with the 20+ sequence of
>> > installments
>> > in MAIB.
>> >
>> > Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:51 PM
>> > To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [bolger] Building a Micro
>> >
>> >
>> > I guess the question would be, why? If you wanted a framed boat, why
>> > not
>> > build one designed to be framed?
>> >
>> >
>> > The problem is the frames would restrict some flexibility that be
>> > required
>> > for the design to not break apart.
>> >
>> > Scot
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thursday, September 29, 2016,wordzenpix@...[bolger]
>> > <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Has anyone built a Micro with frames instead of stitch and glue? I've
>> > had
>> > the plans for years, but my allergies have gotten worse, and I don't
>> > want to
>> > be around that much epoxy. Bill Sandifer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
>> > U.S.C.G. Captain 100 GRT
>> > Shoreline, CT, USA
>> > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>
On Sep 29, 2016, at 15:45, 'wordzenpix .'wordzenpix@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Thanks for the speedy replies. My wife is very partial to the design,
and one recognizes the importance of that in boating. I've built one
of my own designs, a 16x6 flat-bottom barge houseboat with 1x2 chine
framing (PL Premium, no epoxy or glass cloth) and a house that
stiffened the structure. Beat the heck out of it on the Pamlico River
in NC, trailered it cross-county, nary a joint/wood failure. I'm not
sure I understand how framing would make the boat stiffer than s&g
since the boat appears to end up as a stressed-skin, monocoque
structure. But I value input on this forum with so much experience, so
please add more input. Thanks, Bill
On 9/29/16,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I designed 39’1” x 7’5” #681 SACPAS/GADABOUT with lots of framing, heavy
> in/on-boat-laminated chine-logs and often 2.5” wide flanges per full and
> partial bulkhead, plus a meaty ‘clamp’.
>
> On MICRO, clamp and chine-log would likely need laminating out of at least
> two pieces to not see the emerging hull be distorted by the stiffness of the
> chine-logs or clamps.
>
> On #681 I arrived a 3”x 3” clamps and 3” x 2.25” chine-logs via a very
> compliant 3x3 piece matrix assembled via 8’0 lengths by 1/3-1/2 overlapping
> 8’-length to not distort her.
> But all of #681 was done in full-epoxy mode...
>
> ’Old-fashioned’ framing ought to work on MICRO, short of insisting on
> massive steamed timbers to strain her.
>
> All that of course familiar to those with the 20+ sequence of installments
> in MAIB.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
>
> From:mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:51 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Building a Micro
>
>
> I guess the question would be, why? If you wanted a framed boat, why not
> build one designed to be framed?
>
>
> The problem is the frames would restrict some flexibility that be required
> for the design to not break apart.
>
> Scot
>
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016,wordzenpix@...[bolger]
> <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Has anyone built a Micro with frames instead of stitch and glue? I've had
> the plans for years, but my allergies have gotten worse, and I don't want to
> be around that much epoxy. Bill Sandifer
>
>
>
>
> --
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> U.S.C.G. Captain 100 GRT
> Shoreline, CT, USA
> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
>
>
>
and one recognizes the importance of that in boating. I've built one
of my own designs, a 16x6 flat-bottom barge houseboat with 1x2 chine
framing (PL Premium, no epoxy or glass cloth) and a house that
stiffened the structure. Beat the heck out of it on the Pamlico River
in NC, trailered it cross-county, nary a joint/wood failure. I'm not
sure I understand how framing would make the boat stiffer than s&g
since the boat appears to end up as a stressed-skin, monocoque
structure. But I value input on this forum with so much experience, so
please add more input. Thanks, Bill
On 9/29/16,philbolger@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> I designed 39’1” x 7’5” #681 SACPAS/GADABOUT with lots of framing, heavy
> in/on-boat-laminated chine-logs and often 2.5” wide flanges per full and
> partial bulkhead, plus a meaty ‘clamp’.
>
> On MICRO, clamp and chine-log would likely need laminating out of at least
> two pieces to not see the emerging hull be distorted by the stiffness of the
> chine-logs or clamps.
>
> On #681 I arrived a 3”x 3” clamps and 3” x 2.25” chine-logs via a very
> compliant 3x3 piece matrix assembled via 8’0 lengths by 1/3-1/2 overlapping
> 8’-length to not distort her.
> But all of #681 was done in full-epoxy mode...
>
> ’Old-fashioned’ framing ought to work on MICRO, short of insisting on
> massive steamed timbers to strain her.
>
> All that of course familiar to those with the 20+ sequence of installments
> in MAIB.
>
> Susanne Altenburger, PB&F
>
>
>
> From: mailto:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 2:51 PM
> To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [bolger] Building a Micro
>
>
> I guess the question would be, why? If you wanted a framed boat, why not
> build one designed to be framed?
>
>
> The problem is the frames would restrict some flexibility that be required
> for the design to not break apart.
>
> Scot
>
>
> On Thursday, September 29, 2016,wordzenpix@...[bolger]
> <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> Has anyone built a Micro with frames instead of stitch and glue? I've had
> the plans for years, but my allergies have gotten worse, and I don't want to
> be around that much epoxy. Bill Sandifer
>
>
>
>
> --
> Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
> U.S.C.G. Captain 100 GRT
> Shoreline, CT, USA
> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
>
>
>
’Old-fashioned’ framing ought to work on MICRO, short of insisting on massive steamed timbers to strain her.
I guess the question would be, why? If you wanted a framed boat, why not build one designed to be framed?
On Thursday, September 29, 2016,wordzenpix@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Has anyone built a Micro with frames instead of stitch and glue? I've had the plans for years, but my allergies have gotten worse, and I don't want to be around that much epoxy. Bill Sandifer
--
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
U.S.C.G. Captain 100 GRT
Shoreline, CT, USA
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
On Thursday, September 29, 2016,wordzenpix@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Has anyone built a Micro with frames instead of stitch and glue? I've had the plans for years, but my allergies have gotten worse, and I don't want to be around that much epoxy. Bill Sandifer
--
Scot McPherson, PMP CISSP MCSA
U.S.C.G. Captain 100 GRT
Shoreline, CT, USA
LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/scotmcpherson>
http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?90081-Bolger-Micro-in-Sketchup-3D
On Mon, Aug 8, 2016 at 11:55 PM,arvent@...[bolger]<bolger@yahoogroups.com>wrote:Enlarge the page as much as possible and then do a screenshot.
As I said Yahoo won't let you do anything with that one. And the resolution is too low to enlarge it or will just fuzz out. Found the issue of WB it appeared in #80Nels
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 9, 2016, at 2:55 AM,arvent@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Enlarge the page as much as possible and then do a screenshot.As I said Yahoo won't let you do anything with that one. And the resolution is too low to enlarge it or will just fuzz out. Found the issue of WB it appeared in #80Nels
Enlarge the page as much as possible and then do a screenshot.
On Aug 7, 2016 8:11 AM, "arvent@...[bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Anybody know where I could obtain a higher rez version of this lovely drawing? (Yahoo will not allow me to copy this one) It is for the liner page of personal photo album of Micro builders photos I have collected/corresponded with or read about over the years.
I might be able to scare up a local source here in MA.
From:"'John Trussell' jtrussell2@... [bolger]" <bolger@yahoogroups.com>
To:bolger@yahoogroups.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 06:18:02 -0700
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Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 06:18:02 -0700
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Adirondack Goodboats in upstate NY builds them and has one for sale. Micros are pretty simple plywood on frame boats and any local boat builder should be able to build one. A number have been built with 3/8’s “ ply rather than ¼ (which some consider a little light) and if you’re hacing one built, you might want to specify the thicker wood.
JohnT
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Anyone know who builds Micros? I want to own and sail one but not build one. Thanks for any leads.
From:"Andrew Porter
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Yes, a picture is worth . . . .
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https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/bolger/photos/photostream/lightbox/392044784?orderBy=mtime&sortOrder=desc&photoFilter=ALL#zax/392044784
Jerry
Warrenton, VA
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Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:53:00 -0700
Subject: RE: [bolger] Re: Building a Micro
I think I started this discussion, somewhat obliquely. On the photo of Jan Cudak's Gypsy, I noticed the oars had glued & screwed wood fittings affixed to the oars - these fittings had a hole in them, that looked like it was lined with a piece of PVC. I thought, correctly as it turns out, that if he was using a single thole pin, that the oars would fit over the pin and would be "locked" and unable to feather.
While I've never used thole pins, single and double thole pins have been used for a long time and feathering the oars is surely possible in both cases.
Jerry
Warrenton VA
I think I started this discussion, somewhat obliquely. On the photo of Jan Cudak's Gypsy, I noticed the oars had glued & screwed wood fittings affixed to the oars - these fittings had a hole in them, that looked like it was lined with a piece of PVC. I thought, correctly as it turns out, that if he was using a single thole pin, that the oars would fit over the pin and would be "locked" and unable to feather.
While I've never used thole pins, single and double thole pins have been used for a long time and feathering the oars is surely possible in both cases.
Jerry
Warrenton VA
To: bolger@yahoogroups.com
From: bolger@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 10:20:59 -0700
Subject: [bolger] Re: Building a Micro
Polish, Czech or Slovak ?
Perhaps even ‘Bohemian’.,..
No need to answer...
You may have WESTERN UNION.
PAY PAL should work as well.
Hello Susanne,
Thank you for the prompt reply. I am located in Eastern
Europe so a check or money order is not possible. Are there other forms of
payment? Paypal?
Best,
Jan
Thank you for the prompt reply. I am located in Eastern Europe so a check or money order is not possible. Are there other forms of payment? Paypal?
Best,
Jan
Jerry
Warrenton, VA
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On Jul 26, 2016, at 8:09 AM,jerrywolczanski@...[bolger] <bolger@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
nice job on your Gypsy!
Can you tell us more about your oarlocks! It looks like the oars cannot be feathered. Is that right? Nice job!
Jerry
Warrenton, VA
It covers the options you mention along with more improvements.
The set of plans has grown to 11 sheets and is available for $250.- to build one boat, sent rolled in a tube.
COMMON SENSE BOASTS is NOT an authorized source for our work.
They have never paid any royalties.
But it seems that they continue to do business from right across the border in Canada.
If you are interest in ‘clean’ plans with all the upgrades, send a check or money order made out to Phil Bolger & Friends Inc.
at
Thanks for your interest in our work.
Can you tell us more about your oarlocks! It looks like the oars cannot be feathered. Is that right? Nice job!
Jerry
Warrenton, VA