Re: [bolger] Re: Surf: Bowsprit
I used the bow sprit on my surf as a place to dangle the anchor when
fishing. When fishing is slow at one spot and you want to move, you can
pull up your anchor, let it dangle from the bow sprit, row to a new spot,
the drop your anchor again quickly without moving off your seat - very
handy.
George
David Brisco wrote:
fishing. When fishing is slow at one spot and you want to move, you can
pull up your anchor, let it dangle from the bow sprit, row to a new spot,
the drop your anchor again quickly without moving off your seat - very
handy.
George
David Brisco wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> When I built my 'Surf', I thought the bowsprit was just for show, but
> as we all know, PB insists that things be functional even when they
> are
> not obviously so. I built my bowsprit from 5/8 ash. The weight
> nicely
> balanced the helmsman in the stern, keeping the sailing lines level.
> In addition, it also functions a as a ram.
>
> Cheers,
> David Brisco ;-}>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, pmcrannell@y... wrote:
> > DGO,
> >
> > The bowsprit is to run an anchor line through, at least in
> theory.
> > I kept my anchor hanging from the end, with the rode led back to a
> > cleat on the foredeck.
> >
> > The real purpose, I think, was entertainment and aesthetics.
> > Bolger mentioned the trailboards as being "for fun." It certainly
> > dresses up the bow. It makes her look similar to a skipjack.
> >
> > Take care,
> > Pete Reynolds
> >
> >
> > --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "DGO " <oswald@c...> wrote:
> > > > For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
> > > > trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will
> > > really
> > > > dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You
> > > won't
> > > > be disappointed.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Does that bowsprit actually DO anything? It looks like it just
> > hangs
> > > there without anything attached on the study plans. Almost like
> > there
> > > was a different rig drawn for her.
> > >
> > > DGO.
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, nathan levin <elpicco@i...> wrote:
through. A bow well is needed for safe working at the mast in a
seaway. The open transom cleans the ground tackle, as well as
fuss-free storage of it. The open transom allows easy
boarding/disembarking. In a sharp chop, the water coming in damps
the
pitching, although the open bow allows it to flow out rapidly. Matt
Nash has a closed bow. I've seen no need to. Neither of us sail
oceanically.
Stern: the open stern is about the safest thing for the outboard,
fuel
etc as spillages go straight out and vapours cant accumulate in the
bilges. Also, the well allows safe working right at the stern. Also,
allows hanging of lifebuoys, rescue gear in a non-wash-away position.
Related topic:| Wises, what did you do with Loose Moose II's motor
when at sea?
If both bow and stern transom were sealed, woould also have to have
tthem decked, as the cubic volume is considerable and the thought of
a
sea filling them is worrying.
Tim & Lady Kate
SquareBoats!http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm
> Hi Allobviously so.
> I read a post by David Briscowhere he says
> >PB insists that things be functional even when they are not
> andand bow
> one thing that worries me about the as 29 is the flooding cockpit
> - what is their purpos?sealed? ie
> and what would happen to performance safety if they are built as
> not flooding. has anybody done this?Bow: AS29 bow has to be open, or openable, to let the mast heel swing
through. A bow well is needed for safe working at the mast in a
seaway. The open transom cleans the ground tackle, as well as
fuss-free storage of it. The open transom allows easy
boarding/disembarking. In a sharp chop, the water coming in damps
the
pitching, although the open bow allows it to flow out rapidly. Matt
Nash has a closed bow. I've seen no need to. Neither of us sail
oceanically.
Stern: the open stern is about the safest thing for the outboard,
fuel
etc as spillages go straight out and vapours cant accumulate in the
bilges. Also, the well allows safe working right at the stern. Also,
allows hanging of lifebuoys, rescue gear in a non-wash-away position.
Related topic:| Wises, what did you do with Loose Moose II's motor
when at sea?
If both bow and stern transom were sealed, woould also have to have
tthem decked, as the cubic volume is considerable and the thought of
a
sea filling them is worrying.
Tim & Lady Kate
SquareBoats!http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/sbhome.htm
Nathan,
You're Wharram looks great! I've been a fan and "lurker" on the Wharram
list for years now. That whole lashing thing does seem crazy to we
moderns 'til I saw the numbers. I think I'd rather trust something that
flexed that I could re-lash myself if necessary than something rigid
that "should be strong enough." I noticed another Tiki 26 just got
launched the other day. Go for it, you world voyagers!
"Tiki 26 "Shag" has been launched!
Fortunately she kept floating :-)
Hopefully the sails (Jeckells) will arrive this week.
Cheers, Pieter Wierenga"
You're an inspiration.... keep it up.
David Beede
nathan levin wrote:
SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/summerbreeze.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/summerbreeze.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
You're Wharram looks great! I've been a fan and "lurker" on the Wharram
list for years now. That whole lashing thing does seem crazy to we
moderns 'til I saw the numbers. I think I'd rather trust something that
flexed that I could re-lash myself if necessary than something rigid
that "should be strong enough." I noticed another Tiki 26 just got
launched the other day. Go for it, you world voyagers!
"Tiki 26 "Shag" has been launched!
Fortunately she kept floating :-)
Hopefully the sails (Jeckells) will arrive this week.
Cheers, Pieter Wierenga"
You're an inspiration.... keep it up.
David Beede
nathan levin wrote:
>--
>
> Hi All
> I read a post by David Briscowhere he says
> >PB insists that things be functional even when they are not obviously so.
> and
> one thing that worries me about the as 29 is the flooding cockpit and bow
> - what is their purpos?
> and what would happen to performance safety if they are built as sealed? ie
> not flooding. has anybody done this?
> I know a lot of people when they see that a wharram is lashed together with
> rope think the same as i am thinking until they see/understand the thinking.
>
> OFF the subject
> Anybody out there from Brisbane Aus, what is it like and how is the wooden
> boat scene there
> Also i hope that i didnt get the list too upset about the ocean abilitie of
> boats thread. I know I got upset about the backyard plywood boats arent
> made for ocean crossings post, but i just bit my tongue and chuckle to
> myself. My friend Brian is on his way to Grenada after over 6000 Nm in a 26
> ft plywood wharram - see my webpage
> I must say that this group really cooks - with questions and news Its
> great just lurking and listening. Pippo I read your post about the
> buttblock working out well, and I know how great it is when something works
> out well. wait till your boat is together!
> When I had put the first of my two wharram hulls together i just sat
> against the wall rolled myself a cigarette and just admired the sheer for
> about 2 hours. I think there is nothing better than taking a pile of wood
> an creating a functional thing of beauty.
> BTW i started on the deckpod of my tiki this weekend and is looking really
> pretty, just hope that the sail will clear it, as it is not on the plans -
> self designed.
> nathan levin
>elpicco@...
>http://www.icon.co.za/~elpicco
>
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
SOME CLICKS THAT COUNT!!
Feed someone.
http://www.thehungersite.com/
Save a little rain forest.
http://rainforest.care2.com/front.html/player12296
Simplicity Boats (& mirror sites)
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/index.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/index.html
Here's my latest boat:
http://members.tripod.com/simplicityboats/summerbreeze.html
http://members.xoom.com/simpleboats/summerbreeze.html
Quasi esoteric musical instruments
http://unicornstrings.com
Hi All
I read a post by David Briscowhere he says
one thing that worries me about the as 29 is the flooding cockpit and bow
- what is their purpos?
and what would happen to performance safety if they are built as sealed? ie
not flooding. has anybody done this?
I know a lot of people when they see that a wharram is lashed together with
rope think the same as i am thinking until they see/understand the thinking.
OFF the subject
Anybody out there from Brisbane Aus, what is it like and how is the wooden
boat scene there
Also i hope that i didnt get the list too upset about the ocean abilitie of
boats thread. I know I got upset about the backyard plywood boats arent
made for ocean crossings post, but i just bit my tongue and chuckle to
myself. My friend Brian is on his way to Grenada after over 6000 Nm in a 26
ft plywood wharram - see my webpage
I must say that this group really cooks - with questions and news Its
great just lurking and listening. Pippo I read your post about the
buttblock working out well, and I know how great it is when something works
out well. wait till your boat is together!
When I had put the first of my two wharram hulls together i just sat
against the wall rolled myself a cigarette and just admired the sheer for
about 2 hours. I think there is nothing better than taking a pile of wood
an creating a functional thing of beauty.
BTW i started on the deckpod of my tiki this weekend and is looking really
pretty, just hope that the sail will clear it, as it is not on the plans -
self designed.
nathan levin
elpicco@...
http://www.icon.co.za/~elpicco
I read a post by David Briscowhere he says
>PB insists that things be functional even when they are not obviously so.and
one thing that worries me about the as 29 is the flooding cockpit and bow
- what is their purpos?
and what would happen to performance safety if they are built as sealed? ie
not flooding. has anybody done this?
I know a lot of people when they see that a wharram is lashed together with
rope think the same as i am thinking until they see/understand the thinking.
OFF the subject
Anybody out there from Brisbane Aus, what is it like and how is the wooden
boat scene there
Also i hope that i didnt get the list too upset about the ocean abilitie of
boats thread. I know I got upset about the backyard plywood boats arent
made for ocean crossings post, but i just bit my tongue and chuckle to
myself. My friend Brian is on his way to Grenada after over 6000 Nm in a 26
ft plywood wharram - see my webpage
I must say that this group really cooks - with questions and news Its
great just lurking and listening. Pippo I read your post about the
buttblock working out well, and I know how great it is when something works
out well. wait till your boat is together!
When I had put the first of my two wharram hulls together i just sat
against the wall rolled myself a cigarette and just admired the sheer for
about 2 hours. I think there is nothing better than taking a pile of wood
an creating a functional thing of beauty.
BTW i started on the deckpod of my tiki this weekend and is looking really
pretty, just hope that the sail will clear it, as it is not on the plans -
self designed.
nathan levin
elpicco@...
http://www.icon.co.za/~elpicco
Hi folks,
When I built my 'Surf', I thought the bowsprit was just for show, but
as we all know, PB insists that things be functional even when they
are
not obviously so. I built my bowsprit from 5/8 ash. The weight
nicely
balanced the helmsman in the stern, keeping the sailing lines level.
In addition, it also functions a as a ram.
Cheers,
David Brisco ;-}>
When I built my 'Surf', I thought the bowsprit was just for show, but
as we all know, PB insists that things be functional even when they
are
not obviously so. I built my bowsprit from 5/8 ash. The weight
nicely
balanced the helmsman in the stern, keeping the sailing lines level.
In addition, it also functions a as a ram.
Cheers,
David Brisco ;-}>
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, pmcrannell@y... wrote:
> DGO,
>
> The bowsprit is to run an anchor line through, at least in
theory.
> I kept my anchor hanging from the end, with the rode led back to a
> cleat on the foredeck.
>
> The real purpose, I think, was entertainment and aesthetics.
> Bolger mentioned the trailboards as being "for fun." It certainly
> dresses up the bow. It makes her look similar to a skipjack.
>
> Take care,
> Pete Reynolds
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "DGO " <oswald@c...> wrote:
> > > For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
> > > trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will
> > really
> > > dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You
> > won't
> > > be disappointed.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Does that bowsprit actually DO anything? It looks like it just
> hangs
> > there without anything attached on the study plans. Almost like
> there
> > was a different rig drawn for her.
> >
> > DGO.
Frank,
I'd go for Surf over Teal. She's faster and has a lot more
sprawling room. She's not much more expensive - only two more sheets
of plywood, and longer framing. She a tad more complicated to build,
mostly because there are more pieces, like two extra bulkhads and
decks.
You'll have no trouble building her. Get a copy of "Instant Boats"
by Mr. Payson, and study it until the covers soften up. Ditto with
the plans. With these, and help from this group (very generous and
enthusiastic with their advice), you be sailing in no time.
I do have more pictures, but they're still in my camera, and I
have a number of steps to go yet. As soon as I get the roll
developed, I'll post more pictures. I'll let the group know when I
load up more.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
I'd go for Surf over Teal. She's faster and has a lot more
sprawling room. She's not much more expensive - only two more sheets
of plywood, and longer framing. She a tad more complicated to build,
mostly because there are more pieces, like two extra bulkhads and
decks.
You'll have no trouble building her. Get a copy of "Instant Boats"
by Mr. Payson, and study it until the covers soften up. Ditto with
the plans. With these, and help from this group (very generous and
enthusiastic with their advice), you be sailing in no time.
I do have more pictures, but they're still in my camera, and I
have a number of steps to go yet. As soon as I get the roll
developed, I'll post more pictures. I'll let the group know when I
load up more.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> Pete,
>
> Thanks. I don't know how I missed it at Instant Boats, but I did.
I
> appreciate very much your enthusiasm for Surf, and appreciated the
jpegs you
> posted-have any other's to post, or a web site? I was originally
interested
> in building the Windsprint because I wanted something a little
larger. When
> I asked Mr. Payton which he would recommend he said the Teal. I
like the
> Teal, but still want something a bit larger. Chris Crandall
recommended the
> Surf. It is a very pretty boat isn't it? This will also be my
first
> Boatbuilding project, and the boat I will begin to learn to sail in.
>
> Frank Bales
> Staunton, VA
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pmcrannell@y... [mailto:pmcrannell@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:21 PM
> To:bolger@egroups.com
> Subject: [bolger] Re: Surf
>
>
> Frank,
>
> You can order Surf plans from Harold Payson, at
> www.instantboats.com.
>
> I highly recommend Surf. She's fast, and extremely pretty, once
> you see her in 3-D, and easy to build. I'm almost finished building
> one, right now. I owned one for a few years, until she perished from
> the previous owner's neglect and my lawnmower. I race all the time,
> so my standards of boat performance are pretty high, and Surf is way
> up there in my estimation.
>
> There are a lot of guys who like the June Bug. I respect their
> opinions, but I think Surf will sail rings around June Bug, blow
high
> or blow low. She was designed to sail, and J.B. was designed as a
> tender (for which she's ideal). Surf is a neglected design, I'm
> afraid.
>
> You can see pictures of my building progress in a folder
> called "Surf's Up" in the files section. She has two coats of primer
> on in those pictures. I'm now putting to finish coats on, and
working
> on the rig. For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
> trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will really
> dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You
won't
> be disappointed.
>
> Take care,
> Pete Reynolds
>
>
> --- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> > Can anyone tell me where to find plans for the Surf? Thanks.
>
>
> Bolger rules!!!
> - no cursing
> - stay on topic
> - use punctuation
> - add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
> - add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
DGO,
The bowsprit is to run an anchor line through, at least in theory.
I kept my anchor hanging from the end, with the rode led back to a
cleat on the foredeck.
The real purpose, I think, was entertainment and aesthetics.
Bolger mentioned the trailboards as being "for fun." It certainly
dresses up the bow. It makes her look similar to a skipjack.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
The bowsprit is to run an anchor line through, at least in theory.
I kept my anchor hanging from the end, with the rode led back to a
cleat on the foredeck.
The real purpose, I think, was entertainment and aesthetics.
Bolger mentioned the trailboards as being "for fun." It certainly
dresses up the bow. It makes her look similar to a skipjack.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "DGO " <oswald@c...> wrote:
> > For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
> > trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will
> really
> > dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You
> won't
> > be disappointed.
> >
>
>
> Does that bowsprit actually DO anything? It looks like it just
hangs
> there without anything attached on the study plans. Almost like
there
> was a different rig drawn for her.
>
> DGO.
Pete,
Thanks. I don't know how I missed it at Instant Boats, but I did. I
appreciate very much your enthusiasm for Surf, and appreciated the jpegs you
posted-have any other's to post, or a web site? I was originally interested
in building the Windsprint because I wanted something a little larger. When
I asked Mr. Payton which he would recommend he said the Teal. I like the
Teal, but still want something a bit larger. Chris Crandall recommended the
Surf. It is a very pretty boat isn't it? This will also be my first
Boatbuilding project, and the boat I will begin to learn to sail in.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From:pmcrannell@...[mailto:pmcrannell@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:21 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Surf
Frank,
You can order Surf plans from Harold Payson, at
www.instantboats.com.
I highly recommend Surf. She's fast, and extremely pretty, once
you see her in 3-D, and easy to build. I'm almost finished building
one, right now. I owned one for a few years, until she perished from
the previous owner's neglect and my lawnmower. I race all the time,
so my standards of boat performance are pretty high, and Surf is way
up there in my estimation.
There are a lot of guys who like the June Bug. I respect their
opinions, but I think Surf will sail rings around June Bug, blow high
or blow low. She was designed to sail, and J.B. was designed as a
tender (for which she's ideal). Surf is a neglected design, I'm
afraid.
You can see pictures of my building progress in a folder
called "Surf's Up" in the files section. She has two coats of primer
on in those pictures. I'm now putting to finish coats on, and working
on the rig. For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will really
dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You won't
be disappointed.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
Thanks. I don't know how I missed it at Instant Boats, but I did. I
appreciate very much your enthusiasm for Surf, and appreciated the jpegs you
posted-have any other's to post, or a web site? I was originally interested
in building the Windsprint because I wanted something a little larger. When
I asked Mr. Payton which he would recommend he said the Teal. I like the
Teal, but still want something a bit larger. Chris Crandall recommended the
Surf. It is a very pretty boat isn't it? This will also be my first
Boatbuilding project, and the boat I will begin to learn to sail in.
Frank Bales
Staunton, VA
-----Original Message-----
From:pmcrannell@...[mailto:pmcrannell@...]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 12:21 PM
To:bolger@egroups.com
Subject: [bolger] Re: Surf
Frank,
You can order Surf plans from Harold Payson, at
www.instantboats.com.
I highly recommend Surf. She's fast, and extremely pretty, once
you see her in 3-D, and easy to build. I'm almost finished building
one, right now. I owned one for a few years, until she perished from
the previous owner's neglect and my lawnmower. I race all the time,
so my standards of boat performance are pretty high, and Surf is way
up there in my estimation.
There are a lot of guys who like the June Bug. I respect their
opinions, but I think Surf will sail rings around June Bug, blow high
or blow low. She was designed to sail, and J.B. was designed as a
tender (for which she's ideal). Surf is a neglected design, I'm
afraid.
You can see pictures of my building progress in a folder
called "Surf's Up" in the files section. She has two coats of primer
on in those pictures. I'm now putting to finish coats on, and working
on the rig. For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will really
dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You won't
be disappointed.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where to find plans for the Surf? Thanks.
Bolger rules!!!
- no cursing
- stay on topic
- use punctuation
- add your comments at the TOP and SIGN your posts
- add some content: send "thanks!" and "ditto!" posts off-list.
> For the past few evenings, I've been carving thereally
> trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will
> dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. Youwon't
> be disappointed.Does that bowsprit actually DO anything? It looks like it just hangs
>
there without anything attached on the study plans. Almost like there
was a different rig drawn for her.
DGO.
Frank,
You can order Surf plans from Harold Payson, at
www.instantboats.com.
I highly recommend Surf. She's fast, and extremely pretty, once
you see her in 3-D, and easy to build. I'm almost finished building
one, right now. I owned one for a few years, until she perished from
the previous owner's neglect and my lawnmower. I race all the time,
so my standards of boat performance are pretty high, and Surf is way
up there in my estimation.
There are a lot of guys who like the June Bug. I respect their
opinions, but I think Surf will sail rings around June Bug, blow high
or blow low. She was designed to sail, and J.B. was designed as a
tender (for which she's ideal). Surf is a neglected design, I'm
afraid.
You can see pictures of my building progress in a folder
called "Surf's Up" in the files section. She has two coats of primer
on in those pictures. I'm now putting to finish coats on, and working
on the rig. For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will really
dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You won't
be disappointed.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
You can order Surf plans from Harold Payson, at
www.instantboats.com.
I highly recommend Surf. She's fast, and extremely pretty, once
you see her in 3-D, and easy to build. I'm almost finished building
one, right now. I owned one for a few years, until she perished from
the previous owner's neglect and my lawnmower. I race all the time,
so my standards of boat performance are pretty high, and Surf is way
up there in my estimation.
There are a lot of guys who like the June Bug. I respect their
opinions, but I think Surf will sail rings around June Bug, blow high
or blow low. She was designed to sail, and J.B. was designed as a
tender (for which she's ideal). Surf is a neglected design, I'm
afraid.
You can see pictures of my building progress in a folder
called "Surf's Up" in the files section. She has two coats of primer
on in those pictures. I'm now putting to finish coats on, and working
on the rig. For the past few evenings, I've been carving the
trailboards that go under the bowsprit. This is fun, and will really
dress up her looks. I recommend taking the time to do this. You won't
be disappointed.
Take care,
Pete Reynolds
--- Inbolger@egroups.com, "Frank Bales" <fbales@a...> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where to find plans for the Surf? Thanks.
Can anyone tell me where to find plans for the Surf? Thanks.